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BCD
01-30-2005, 05:03 PM
I'm thinking about getting another pc when my tax refund check comes in.

Does anyone have an eMachine? Here's what I'm looking into:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3429307&cat=41937&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937

4th and Long
01-30-2005, 05:06 PM
Many e-machines are total pieces of crap and cannot be upgraded.

You were warned.

go bowe
01-30-2005, 05:07 PM
i don't know for sure, but i think lots of the techies have a low opinion of emachines and all things walmart...

i buy all my pc's from new egg and put the components in myself and i'm no computer whiz...

Deberg_1990
01-30-2005, 05:14 PM
If you are going to spend almost $600 on a new computer, dont buy an Emachine. At least go buy a Dell or Gateway. Or heck, have someone build one for you.

unlurking
01-30-2005, 05:16 PM
Gateway recenty purchased eMachines, but I have never met anyone with a good review of them.

BCD
01-30-2005, 05:18 PM
i don't know for sure, but i think lots of the techies have a low opinion of emachines and all things walmart...

i buy all my pc's from new egg and put the components in myself and i'm no computer whiz...The pc I'm on now is an HP. Came from Wal-mart. 2 years of daily use, absolutely no problems...

BCD
01-30-2005, 05:23 PM
If you are going to spend almost $600 on a new computer, dont buy an Emachine. At least go buy a Dell or Gateway. Or heck, have someone build one for you.I checked Dell. Can't get the same features for that price...

unlurking
01-30-2005, 05:25 PM
I checked Dell. Can't get the same features for that price...
Try newegg, u can get a ton more computer for the same price or less. Putting a PC together is actually quite simple.

Lancetastic
01-30-2005, 05:25 PM
They were pretty crappy 4-5 years ago but have come a long way in improving their product and actually have better service for home customers than Dell if you need it.

unlurking
01-30-2005, 05:28 PM
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/featured_desktop1?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

warpaint99
01-30-2005, 05:34 PM
I just bought an Emachine 2 months ago.

Celeron 2.4 ghz processor. Good . Not really for high end 3d gaming but can play alot of 3d games. This system can play DVD movies.

Flat sreen -17 inch. Good. No defects.

Hard drive is not the fastest but 60 gb. not bad.

Speakers are not loud enough if you like loud mp3 playing.

256 mem. not bad . not great.

Got a CDRW drive that can play DVD's . Nice.

Don't use it to play directx 3d games. has the built in intel Agp which sucks. Your limited on games.

Came with a printer. Ok. not bad.

Bought mine for like 700 with rebates and final price was like $369. EXCELLENT VALUE !

Does not come with WinXP installation disk. Real negative here. If you need to reinstall xp then it deletes/formats your disk and you lose all your info. Buy a package of CDRW's and save your important files because XP always screws up eventually.

Comes with word Microsoft Money and Works(lesser of Word). Good.

Good value ! IF your not a gamer . Get used to Blue Leds.

BCD
01-30-2005, 05:36 PM
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/featured_desktop1?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
After checking out Dell a little closer, I think I'll get this, instead:


http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/featured_dp_desktop1_2?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs


It doesn't come with a DVD burner, but I can do that myself...

laser1972
01-30-2005, 05:39 PM
Emachines aren't bad.. Use the same components as other computers usually.. There isnt a emachine "processor" etc... If you arent into gaming and want to use it for Internet, maybe some business applications, its really not that bad.. I built my own computers, but if you aren't into that, Emachine is a inexpensive option.. Don't listen to the "dell" experts, they are always overpriced in my opinion .. And the great technical support all the way from Thailand, .. Thats a plus!!...

unlurking
01-30-2005, 05:42 PM
After checking out Dell a little closer, I think I'll get this, instead:


http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/featured_dp_desktop1_2?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs


It doesn't come with a DVD burner, but I can do that myself...
I'd still recommend using newegg and building a PC yourself. Since you already have one up and running, buying the parts and learning how to build it yourself is a great option that will allow you to upgrade on your own in the future, troubleshoot, etc.

I'm not saying to go Dell rather than eMachines, but after some of the horror stories I've heard about the eMachines non-standard BIOS, I'd be vary wary.

BCD
01-30-2005, 05:46 PM
I'm really not sure what to get. Probably should just stay with HP. This one has been problem free for 2 years...

BCD
01-30-2005, 05:49 PM
I'd still recommend using newegg and building a PC yourself. Since you already have one up and running, buying the parts and learning how to build it yourself is a great option that will allow you to upgrade on your own in the future, troubleshoot, etc.

I'm not saying to go Dell rather than eMachines, but after some of the horror stories I've heard about the eMachines non-standard BIOS, I'd be vary wary.I think I could build my own. I've added a DVD burner to this one a year ago, plus memory. That was easy.

unlurking
01-30-2005, 05:51 PM
Emachines aren't bad.. Use the same components as other computers usually.. There isnt a emachine "processor" etc... If you arent into gaming and want to use it for Internet, maybe some business applications, its really not that bad.. I built my own computers, but if you aren't into that, Emachine is a inexpensive option.. Don't listen to the "dell" experts, they are always overpriced in my opinion .. And the great technical support all the way from Thailand, .. Thats a plus!!...
Not a Dell "expert". Have only purchased two PCs in over a decade that I didn't build myself, both laptops (one Sony, one Toshiba).

eMachines have had MANY complaints over the last couple years regarding their non-standard BIOS and lack of BIOS updates. For *nix users this is a HUGE issue. For Windows users it may not be as big an issue, as long as you stay with the current version of Windows installed.

As far as support, I always recommend building yourself and relying on Google more than any tech support.

unlurking
01-30-2005, 05:58 PM
I think I could build my own. I've added a DVD burner to this one a year ago, plus memory. That was easy.
Yeah, the whole thing is very simple.

There also seem to be plenty of people on this forum alone who could help with any questions and make sure you don't order incompatible products (like a Pentium processor and an AMD motherboard)!

What I usually do is first determine what the system use will be. From there, you can prioritize which components should be of higher quality and start shopping. Pretty much just make a list of all the parts you need, then start shopping piece by piece.

Example

Processor & Cooler
Motherboard
RAM
HDD
CDRW/DVD/etc.
Case & Power Supply
Video Card
Ethernet / Modem / Audio (I usually get a motherboard with these built-in as I'm not a big audio guy)

Seriously, there really is not all that much to it. Motherboards all come with cables needed.

Valiant
01-30-2005, 06:45 PM
emachines are just as good any other mid-ranged computer... just do not buy from walmart.. They usually stock the very low-end products of emachine/hp/compaq...and are normally not upgradable with quality parts... ie agp grapics cards...

As long as you buy the mid-ranged emachine with the athlon processor you get a great value..

Emachine was crap when they first came out... But they have about the same shittiness factor of hp/dell of problems going wrong.. you could get the bad apple of the bunch but you should know within the first few days...

Valiant
01-30-2005, 06:49 PM
After checking out Dell a little closer, I think I'll get this, instead:


http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/featured_dp_desktop1_2?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs


It doesn't come with a DVD burner, but I can do that myself...


depending on what you want to do.. it looks like link you posed for the setup doesent include a agp slot on the board... Usually when motherboards do not have the agp or pcix slots they are budget boards...other then that it is a great deal..

Frazod
01-30-2005, 06:56 PM
I got one a couple of years ago. It sucked. And my IT buddy wanted to beat me over the head with it when he found out I bought it. I replaced it with a Medion within six months.

BroWhippendiddle
01-30-2005, 07:10 PM
I haven't heard anything good about the eMachines.

I've used Dell and Gateway over the past 9 years and haven't had any problems with either. You can get a lower price on re-manufactured models. The only problem with them is that they are usually one generation older than the current processor.

The good news about remanufactured is that they get some pretty hearty testing before they resell them.

There are always specials with Dell and Gateway as well. The thin screens seem to be very dependable and the flat screen doesn't give as much eye strain as the old monitors.

Rausch
01-30-2005, 07:25 PM
I haven't heard anything good about the eMachines.

I've used Dell and Gateway over the past 9 years and haven't had any problems with either. You can get a lower price on re-manufactured models. The only problem with them is that they are usually one generation older than the current processor.

I know of no one who's happy they bought an eMachine.

Gateway machines are absolute $3it.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-30-2005, 07:26 PM
I'm thinking about getting another pc when my tax refund check comes in.

Does anyone have an eMachine? Here's what I'm looking into:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3429307&cat=41937&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937
I'm talking to you on an emachines computer right now that my step-daughters father got her two Christmas's ago. It has done everything we've needed it to with no problems at all and didn't cost him a fortune. Is it top of the line...?...no I don't suppose so. Does that really matter when it comes to everyday use? No.

Frazod
01-30-2005, 07:27 PM
I'm talking to you on an emachines computer right now that my step-daughters father got her two Christmas's ago. It has done everything we've needed it to with no problems at all and didn't cost him a fortune. Is it top of the line...?...no I don't suppose so. Does that really matter when it comes to everyday use? No.

I take it you don't play alot of computer games.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-30-2005, 07:28 PM
I know of no one who's happy they bought an eMachine.

Gateway machines are absolute $3it.
We didn't buy ours... but we have no complaints whatsoever. You could even say we're happy with it...

:)


fwiw...my laptop is a Dell......


:)

BroWhippendiddle
01-30-2005, 07:28 PM
I know of no one who's happy they bought an eMachine.

Gateway machines are absolute $3it.

What kind of problems have you had with them?

I've had 4 and have never had a single issue with them.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-30-2005, 07:29 PM
I take it you don't play alot of computer games.
I don't play computer games. The kids play several and have had no problems.

Rausch
01-30-2005, 07:30 PM
What kind of problems have you had with them?

I've had 4 and have never had a single issue with them.

When I worked for the state the UPS guy use joke that he knew he'd be back in a week to pick up 1/4 of the gateway's he dropped off...

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-30-2005, 07:32 PM
emachines are just as good any other mid-ranged computer... just do not buy from walmart.. They usually stock the very low-end products of emachine/hp/compaq...and are normally not upgradable with quality parts... ie agp grapics cards...

As long as you buy the mid-ranged emachine with the athlon processor you get a great value..


Exactly...DON'T GO TO WAL-MART!

I think ours cost my daughters' dad $1,000. It works great.

Frazod
01-30-2005, 07:32 PM
I don't play compueter games. The kids play several and have had no problems.

The games I tried to play on it didn't run right, even though they were within specs. It was really annoying. Then the thing started locking up on me all the time. It was a real pain in the ass.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-30-2005, 07:35 PM
The games I tried to play on it didn't run right, even though they were within specs. It was really annoying. Then the thing started locking up on me all the time. It was a real pain in the ass.
That certainly would be. No such problems here.

I know nothing about computer or video games but I know the kids have some popular ones that look great graphics-wise and they've never complained about them not working right.

DRU
01-30-2005, 08:11 PM
I personally hate ANY name brand computer...and especially eMachines.

I won't say much...but I haven't seen anybody mention this so I figured I'd put in my two cents.

One of the main drawbacks of eMachines (and some other name brand computers) is that the video cards are built onto the motherboard WITHOUT onboard RAM. This means that it has to use system RAM for the video. So, it might say it ships with 256MB RAM (which isn't much at all and I'd highly recommend at least 512MB regardless) the eMachine will allocate an amount for video...usually you can set this in BIOS. For instance, if I want to have a 32MB video card then my system is only going to have 224MB of actual RAM. You would now fall below the minimum requirements of a lot of software and your computer will run like CRAP! Of course you could allocate less RAM for the video...but then your video looks like crap. Allocate more and your system runs even worse.

Buy an eMachine and you'll end up buying more stuff later. Personally...I say build it!

Vegas_Dave
01-30-2005, 08:21 PM
Let me first premise this that I am a tech. I used to als be a head tech for a Best Buy computer service 9mine was a good shop) when the eMachines were absolute garbage.

that being said, I have found them to have made GREAT improvements in quality over the past 2-3 years. My little brother has one of their laptops with the Athlon 64 CPU and frankly, it is by far, the BEST laptop that I have ever seen for under $3k.

they are making good computers now. the sempron CPU in that is based on the Athlon 64 core. While it doesnt support 64 bits, it is still a better CPU then the P4 in that Dell. I own Dells as well (business).

I personally would lean towards that Emachines out of the 2.

They used to be bad, but now they are decent. The only downside to BOTH of these systems would be gaming upgradability. Neither have an expansion slot for a better graphics cars. So you will be stuck with the weaker built in graphics. I think the eMachines has a better graphics chipset then the DELL as well.

My recommendation, spend a little more and get a more scalable platform. personally, i say build one. Go with the Athlon 64 (939 socket) and Win XP pro (not home. when Windows 64 Bit comes out, people who own WinXP Pro will get a FREE upgrade). Load WinXP 64 bit when it comes out (April/May) and your machine will be unbeatable.

Kerberos
01-30-2005, 09:22 PM
I'm thinking about getting another pc when my tax refund check comes in.

Does anyone have an eMachine? Here's what I'm looking into:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3429307&cat=41937&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937

As eMachines are not of the greatest quality parts (that should be evident in the price) they are not the WORST machine you could buy but not far off either.

I have worked on a few dozen eMachines and one thing I look for in ANY computer is upgradablity...

Does it have built on video and if it does does the Mainboard have an AGP slot to upgrade to when video goes out ... Yea you can use a PCI video and if you are only using it for general surfing and general use that is all you would need anyway.

Does it have a name brand hard drive and if it does is it a Maxturd or Tri-Gem that seems to be in most? These drives do not have the greatest survivability reputation. I am a Western Digital man and will put NOTHING else in my customers or my own computer.

Is the damn power supply a reguar size power supply or the little bitty bastard they seem to put in eMachines, Gateways, Compaqs, HP's and alike ??? I have purchased powersupplies for some of these computers off ebay and paid as much as $50 to $75 for a "NEW" one that is duplicate of the one that came out. If you order a power supply from HP direct it can cost up to $150 in some cases ... I put $15 to $25 power suppies in my own computer that are 450 to 500Watt and fit into ANY CASE I sell ....

I guess the biggest thing I really hate about any prebuilt computer from any of the compays I have mentioned is the "PROPRIETARY" nature they all seem to have in them.

It's like buying a printer ... ya that Lexmark or HP printer might be $50 or $75 but when you get it home the INK is half full out of the box and new cartriges will cost you as much or more than the cost of the printer.

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR .... If you only got $600 to spend then buy what you can afford ... if you have good luck with Wal-Mart computers then by all means roll them dice and I hope your luck doesn't run out like most of the people that bring their HP's, Compaq's, eMachines, Goatways and alike in for repair cause they just plain SUCK right out of the box ! It is like anything else ... if you take care of it... it might last longer than it is supposed to!

My.02

Cliff

Miles
01-30-2005, 09:31 PM
I think I could build my own. I've added a DVD burner to this one a year ago, plus memory. That was easy.

Yeah id also suggest you build your own. If you have messed around inside of a PC case you should have little problem puting one together. With more recent computers it seems even easier than it was a few years ago.

The only thing that takes any effort is formating the HD and installing the OS (which is still pretty easy). Picking out the correct parts is the other thing, but all you would have to do is post it here and im sure you could get plenty of help.

siberian khatru
01-30-2005, 09:43 PM
My .02:

Couple of years ago my fancy custom-made puter upped and died on me. I needed my puter and didn't have the $$ to get a nice one, so as a stopgap move I bought an e-machine CPU (didn't need the monitor) at Best Buy. Keep in mind I pretty much used it to surf the Net, do word processing and watch DVDs (before I got my home theater). After about a year I had the money to buy this Dell I'm on; I moved the old e-machine into the bedroom for my kids to use.

I found the e-machine good for basic computing. If you're like frazod and want to play games, or you're editing video software or whatnot, then NO I wouldn't use an e-machine for that.

Frazod
01-30-2005, 09:49 PM
My .02:I found the e-machine good for basic computing. If you're like frazod and want to play games, or you're editing video software or whatnot, then NO I wouldn't use an e-machine for that.

I guess I should add that my wife's best friend now has my old emachine computer. Of course, she plays no games and only has dial-up access - in other words, she does nothing to tax its meager limitations.

As far as I know, it's still working, although I know she had to have one of her IT geek friends work on it at least once.

Darkwolfe
01-30-2005, 11:10 PM
You can build a real good machine for under $500 if you know what you are doing.

DO NOT BUY HP/COMPAQ!!!
Their hardware quality has improved but they do not provide backup CDs for the software. If it goes out of warranty and the hard drive fails you'll have to not only buy a replacement hard drive but also Windows XP and anything else that came with it.

Also, they do not post the system drivers online, so if you had to reload out of warranty, they charge to even talk to you.

Go Dell, Gateway, or eMachines off the shelf, all provide backup CDs and have improved their hardware quality over the last 2 years.

I've worked on all the brands I list here.

stumppy
01-30-2005, 11:40 PM
You might go to your local Best Buy/ Circuit City and see what they have on sale. I shopped around for mine about 6 months ago and ended up buying from Best Buy.

Compaq
3200 AMD Athlon 64 bit processor
512 mb memory
160 gb HD
8x DVD/CD burner
CD-ROM
5200 (?) NVIDIA graphics card ( w/ 256 mb mem.)
JBL speakers
17 in. Compaq monitor
WinXP
Microsoft Word/Works ? ( I forget)
And some other software
At the time it was on sale and had several rebates.
$725.00 after sale price and rebates.

I also got a HP printer basically for free after the rebate on it.
It runs games like Far Cry without a problem. I haven't had any trouble with it running anything....yet.
It was by far the best deal I could find at the time.

It hadn't been advertised as on sale, so you never know what they might have for what price at any particular time.
:shrug:

Miles
01-30-2005, 11:50 PM
You can build a real good machine for under $500 if you know what you are doing.

DO NOT BUY HP/COMPAQ!!!
they do not provide backup CDs for the software. If it goes out of warranty and the hard drive fails you'll have to not only buy a replacement hard drive but also Windows XP and anything else that came with it.


Im not sure on desktops, but my HP laptop that i recent bought came with all of the restore software.

OldTownChief
01-31-2005, 05:31 AM
Yeah id also suggest you build your own. If you have messed around inside of a PC case you should have little problem puting one together. With more recent computers it seems even easier than it was a few years ago.

The only thing that takes any effort is formating the HD and installing the OS (which is still pretty easy). Picking out the correct parts is the other thing, but all you would have to do is post it here and im sure you could get plenty of help.

I agree, and if you stick with the CRT mon. like that one has you could also shave about $200.00 off the price for basicly the same computer.

If you want one that you can just take home, set up, and go, it's not a bad deal. You can upgrade the video with one of the two available PCI slots later if you wanted to. The nVidia GeForce4 MX graphics (w/ 64MB shared memory) would not be the best for a gaming machine. The 512 MB DDR RAM (expandable to 2GB) is a good thing and it has a 7200 RPM HD which is also a good thing.

Personnaly I can't stand the way store bought computers are set up and you would probably be a lot happier building your own and formatting it the way you want it software wise. The first thing I would do with that one is wipe out the HD and start from scratch with XP pro.

Kerberos
01-31-2005, 06:22 AM
Im not sure on desktops, but my HP laptop that i recent bought came with all of the restore software.

I am pretty sure he is referring to the "Restore Partition" that is on the hard drive with MOST new HP/Compaq'... while it is booting you press F10 on most of them to boot into the restore partition and start repairing/restoring your partition("C" drive).

Since I don't buy or sell these kinds of computers I have no idea what tangible software comes with them. I think he is right .. if your hard drive goes titts up out of warranty you are stuck buying a new hard drive for cheap at computer store that doesn't have you restore partition on it..... unless you want to buy it from HP/Compaq. Then I am sure you will be paying 2 or 3X what you could pay for it anywhere else since it will have a NEW repair partition on it !

They F*ck you at the drive through ...... AGAIN I will mention Proprietary and this time it's software!

You can however get a new hard drive pretty cheap and they do put the windows COA sticker on the sides of the machines so you could at least find a Windows CD from a buddy or you can order JUST the CD from Microsoft for $25. What you "WON'T" get is any additional software that was provided EXTRA by HP/Compaq cause it was loaded on the restore partition that you don't have anymore! That is there way of making money AFTER the sale. This is a new tactic to try and make money off of thier product after initial purchase.

And I am positive there are allot of people out there that will pay the EXTRA $150/$200 from HP/Compaq for a new hard drive to have what they had on thier machine BEFORE if the hard drive takes a hiatus.

Cliff

Saulbadguy
01-31-2005, 07:31 AM
emachines have come up in the world. They had a bad reputation to start off, but they are solid machines now IMO.