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Loki
01-31-2005, 07:36 PM
STFU STFU STFU STFU STFU

source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6890325/)

Democrats challenge Bush to lay out Iraq exit strategy
Reid, Pelosi launch pre-emptive strike before president’s State
of Union speech

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Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi
discuss President Bush’s second-term agenda and his State of the Union address
Monday at the National Press Club in Washington

WASHINGTON - In a pre-emptive strike before President Bush’s State of the Union address, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid called on the administration Monday to outline an exit strategy for Iraq, while his House counterpart vowed lasting opposition to Social Security benefit cuts.

While pushing for an exit strategy, Reid, D-Nev., also said it would be a mistake to set a deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. forces. “That’s not a wise decision, because it only empowers those who don’t want us there,” he said in a joint appearance with House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California.

In remarks at the National Press Club, Reid said Sunday’s elections in Iraq marked “a first step in helping figure out a way that the U.S. can get out of Iraq.”

“We have to figure out a way to remove ourselves from there with dignity,” he said.

The White House responded that any exit strategy could not be based on a timetable, which it said would allow insurgent guerrillas to simply wait out the Americans.

“Timetables send the wrong message to the terrorists, because all the terrorists have to do is wait and then they can plan and coordinate and prepare attacks around those timetables," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

The administration says U.S. troops can start coming home in significant numbers only when the Iraqis are able to fully govern and protect themselves. An official at the Defense Department told NBC News that the best defense against the insurgents was an aggressive offense, which only U.S. troops could deliver.

Dismissing warm reception
Pelosi spoke dismissively of the reception Bush is likely to receive from Republican lawmakers Wednesday night. “You really don’t have to have very many communications skills if you have a couple of hundred people who will jump to their feet when you recite the ABCs,” she said.

“What the president says, the president will be held accountable for,” she added.

She and Reid sought to lay down markers on issues likely to dominate the congressional agenda this year — Iraq and the broader war on terrorism, as well as Social Security.

In laying out the Democratic position on Iraq, Reid called on the president to “spell out a real and understandable plan for the unfinished work ahead.”

“Most of all, we need an exit strategy so that we know what victory is and how we can get there, so that we know what we need to do and so that we know when the job is done.”

U.S. ‘standing on the sidelines’
Reid, who has been in his job for only a few weeks, credited Bush for Inaugural Day remarks about spreading freedom and democracy across the globe. “But there is a gap between this president’s words and his deeds,” he said. “...There is a gap between saying we are a global leader and standing on the sidelines as new international institutions and alliances take shape without us.”

Reid accused Bush of failing to challenge Saudi Arabia’s treatment of dissidents, letting China handle negotiations with North Korea’s missile-seeking regime and allowing Europeans to grapple with a threat from Iran.

“It’s time that America stood tall again as the real superpower that we are, time that we led the world on dealing with these terrible threats and building a durable peace instead of just hanging back and letting others show the way.”

Reid’s assessment of Bush’s foreign policy represented some of the most biting remarks by a senior Democratic leader since the president won re-election in November. The Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, frequently criticized the president’s handling of the war on terrorism and of conducting an arrogant foreign policy. Election Day interviews with voters indicated that the public preferred Bush’s leadership, but more recent surveys taken before Sunday’s elections in Iraq showed a decline in support for the war.

‘False declaration of a crisis’
For her part, Pelosi largely restated criticism of Bush’s plans for Social Security that she and other Democrats had been leveling for days.

“We can solve this long-term challenge without dismantling Social Security and without allowing this administration’s false declaration of a crisis justify a privatization plan that is unnecessary,” she said.

Bush has called on Congress to pass legislation this year that would make Social Security permanently solvent. At the same time, he wants younger workers to have the option of diverting part of their payroll taxes into private investment accounts. As part of those recommendations, some administration officials have said the president may call for future retirees to receive smaller starting benefits than current law guarantees.

Pelosi said the reduction could amount to 40 percent and added, “Any cut is unacceptable, but a cut of that magnitude is unconscionable.” She said Democrats would also insist that Social Security legislation not add to the deficit and remain fair to the middle class.

“Let there be no doubt in anyone’s mind — Democrats will fight to see Social Security strengthened, not destroyed,” Pelosi said.

memyselfI
01-31-2005, 08:00 PM
Excellent.

The first reason for being there was WMD, then it was to remove SH, then it was to ensure a secure election...

what will the new reason be???

Bootlegged
01-31-2005, 08:16 PM
Excellent.

The first reason for being there was WMD, then it was to remove SH, then it was to ensure a secure election...

what will the new reason be???


just to keep your dumbass pissed off.

Loki
01-31-2005, 08:23 PM
Excellent.

The first reason for being there was WMD, then it was to remove SH, then it was to ensure a secure election...

what will the new reason be???

donger, ringleader, KCW...

care to handle this one... AGAIN??? :rolleyes:

SBK
01-31-2005, 08:32 PM
I was gonna say the next reason would be to secure lots and lots of camel jockeys. Then Bush will begin a new sport here in the US, and camel racing will become the next big rage.

memyselfI
01-31-2005, 08:37 PM
donger, ringleader, KCW...

care to handle this one... AGAIN??? :rolleyes:

If they leave now they leave looking like the good guys and much of the damaging self inflicted wounds the US has suffered in Iraq would be forgotten...

We didn't go to war for this but rather the non-existent WMD, DUHbya gets the credit for a 'successful election' even though it was Sistani who insisted the elections happen, and the US can leave on a high note because they gave the Iraqi people the election and possible democracy they promised.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A49115-2005Jan30?language=printer

President Hails Election as a Success and a Signal

By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, January 31, 2005; Page A01


SNIP

Analysts also noted that the Bush administration initially resisted the idea of holding elections this soon and only succumbed under pressure from Iraq's most powerful cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani. The original plan, designed by then-U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer, was a complicated formula of regional caucuses to select a national government, which would write a constitution, and then hold the elections.

"It was Sistani who demanded one-person, one-vote elections. So to the extent it's a victory, it's a victory for Iraqis. The Americans were maneuvered into having to go along with it," said Juan Cole, an Iraq expert at the University of Michigan.

Other analysts said recent opinion polls indicate that many Iraqis viewed the election as one way to accelerate the U.S. withdrawal rather than as a vindication of U.S. policy. "They realize that the quickest way to get the United States out of Iraq is to create a new government," said Henri Barkey, a former State Department policy planning staff member now at Lehigh University. "Not to vote would mean a continuation of the status quo. So the election is not a vindication of U.S. policy."

KCWolfman
01-31-2005, 08:41 PM
donger, ringleader, KCW...

care to handle this one... AGAIN??? :rolleyes:
Like the word "perjury" many democrats feel they have the right to re-write history with words like "broken treaty" and "Americans fires upon" with selective memory items.

Michael Michigan
01-31-2005, 08:43 PM
Excellent.

The first reason for being there was WMD, then it was to remove SH, then it was to ensure a secure election...

what will the new reason be???

Same as it ever was.

The Bush Doctrine.

Learn it, love it, live it.

Donger
01-31-2005, 08:44 PM
Learn it, love it, live it.

Great. Now I have a craving to see Phoebe Cates' breasts again.

Michael Michigan
01-31-2005, 08:48 PM
Great. Now I have a craving to see Phoebe Cates' breasts again.

Almost....

http://www.celebrity-cheerleaders.com/pictures/phoebe_cates_10.jpg

Donger
01-31-2005, 08:49 PM
Almost....

http://www.celebrity-cheerleaders.com/pictures/phoebe_cates_10.jpg

You suck.

The scary thing was, she was 17 when she shot that...

Loki
01-31-2005, 08:52 PM
i will invoke the spirit of RL...

i think already addressed this issue with you yesterday Denise ...
RINGLEADER SEZ (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2246794&postcount=28)













ps: (does anyone actually read all the crap Denise cuts and pastes anymore?)

Cochise
01-31-2005, 10:49 PM
I'm sure they'd love for us to pick up and leave, then they'd get the civil war they've been crossing their fingers for.

Cochise
01-31-2005, 11:14 PM
If they leave now they leave looking like the good guys and much of the damaging self inflicted wounds the US has suffered in Iraq would be forgotten...

We didn't go to war for this but rather the non-existent WMD, DUHbya gets the credit for a 'successful election' even though it was Sistani who insisted the elections happen, and the US can leave on a high note because they gave the Iraqi people the election and possible democracy they promised.


we could use a man like herbert hoover agaiinnnnnnnn....