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shaneo69
02-03-2005, 08:17 AM
it doesn't understand the NFL football fan.

In his best whiny voice, "You guys take football waaaayyyy too seriously."


RAND: The game that makes people crazyFeb 03, 2005, 2:18:12 AM by Jonathan Rand

Letís say that youíre a Chiefs fan and the team is finally back in the Super Bowl.

You were there in the glory years and are so starved for another Super Bowl win that youíll pay anything to see it in person. Or you missed the glory years and have never experienced a Chiefsí Super Bowl and youíll pay anything to be there in person.

The emotional hold of an NFL team on its fans, as best as I can figure, is the main reason that the average price of a ticket for Sundayís Super Bowl game is about $2,700, according to ESPN.com. Thatís quite a markup from face value of $500-$600.

There also are people who crave being at any major sports event, to see and be seen. Or impress a date or corporate client. Or crash a party.

Whatever the reasons, the Super Bowl has a knack for rivaling Las Vegas when it comes to people getting reckless with their money. The big game also can rival Las Vegas when it comes to bringing out the greed and chicanery in people.

I was once standing in the lobby of a New Orleans hotel during Super Bowl week when one fat guy came running by and through some doors that appeared to lead into a kitchen. Then two beefy guys came running in, looking around for this guy and muttering. It was like a scene out of the Sopranos, minus the weapons.

Listening to snippets of the pursuersí angry conversation, it was clear that the chase was related to a ticket deal gone bad. These three guys normally couldnít run 25 yards without collapsing. But with Super Bowl tickets and money at stake, they ran like Olympic sprinters.

I knew a guy who told his in-laws that heíd try to buy them Super Bowl tickets from a scalper. He managed to score two tickets at a relative bargain price. Before he knew it, though, he was offered a staggering amount for the tickets. He told his in-laws that he couldnít find any.

I donít know if it still pays to be a small-time scalper at the Super Bowl. As is often the case, the small entrepreneur is getting squeezed out. And the best way to squeeze out a small-time hustler is to legalize what heís doing and do it better.

An Illinois company sells team-specific options for Super Bowl tickets. Before the season, for $100 you could have bought options to buy face value tickets for a Super Bowl involving the Patriots or Eagles.

For $30 you couldíve bought an option on the Bears. As the season went on, these options fluctuated in value and were traded like stocks. Options on teams other than the Patriots and Eagles eventually became worthless. Seems an awful lot like gambling, doesnít it?

Both the Patriots and Eagles provided Super Bowl tickets to their official travel partner, PrimeSport International. The Boston Globe reports that from Boston, you can pay $1,099 for a same-day package without a ticket or $3,299 with a ticket. In effect, thatís a $2,200 charge for a $500 ticket. From Philadelphia, the prices are $1,199 and $3,629. Seems an awful lot like scalping, doesnít it?

Iíve covered 23 Super Bowls, so call me spoiled if you will. But thereís no way in heck Iíd spend that kind of money to attend any sporting event, especially not in Jacksonville.

If I made a list of 100 things I would do with $3,000, attending the Super Bowl wouldnít make the list. You can see the game much better on television, the beerís cheaper and you donít have to pass through security.


I guess it's okay to spend buttloads of money on Chiefs season tickets, but it's just plain silly to spend that much on seeing your team play in the Super Bowl. :rolleyes:

Hoover
02-03-2005, 08:19 AM
I would never go to a Super Bowl, just to go. I would only want to go if the Chiefs were playing.

|Zach|
02-03-2005, 08:22 AM
I know we talked about this in another thread but as amazing as it would be to see the Chiefs play in a superbowl in person I would rather watch it with all of my friends and family who have gone through the hard times as a Chiefs fan. There are not a lot of football fans it seems at the Super Bowl...I just dont think the atmosphere would be what I want it to be. Enjoying it with people I love with some good food and good drinks would be a lot more fun IMO.

htismaqe
02-03-2005, 08:22 AM
This article is just plain stupid.

The "average" fan watches the Super Bowl on TV. Joe Corporate is paying $3000 to go to the Super Bowl.

Hoover
02-03-2005, 08:24 AM
This article is just plain stupid.

The "average" fan watches the Super Bowl on TV. Joe Corporate is paying $3000 to go to the Super Bowl.
I think the NFL should let all season ticket holders of the teams in the Super Bowl the first chance at tickets. The crowd is never a factor in the Super Bowl which is sad

Phobia
02-03-2005, 08:32 AM
Is Rand a Chiefs mouth? I thought he was a Star employee.

shaneo69
02-03-2005, 08:41 AM
Is Rand a Chiefs mouth? I thought he was a Star employee.

He works for KCChiefs.com. I don't think he's worked for the Star in quite a while. He hasn't covered the Chiefs for that paper since at least '97.

BigChiefFan
02-03-2005, 08:41 AM
Well we don't have to worry about it, since the Chiefs haven't been in 35 years and Carl wants to give them all another year on defense. Maybe get to the Super Bowl first before bringing up whether or not it's a waste of money.

Phobia
02-03-2005, 08:42 AM
He works for KCChiefs.com. I don't think he's worked for the Star in quite a while. He hasn't covered the Chiefs for that paper since at least '97.

No way. OMG. Have I just not been paying attention to bylines or am I a huge dipshit?

jspchief
02-03-2005, 08:43 AM
Doesn't really sound like PR to me....


Funny that a writer thats been to 23 superbowls doesn't think it's a big deal.

Personally, I'd go. I'd spend an ass-load of money to do it if it was neccessary. In fact, I'll be searching for that company that offers pre-season shots at superbowl tickets. I can lose $100 worth of change in the course of a year, not to mention how much I spend on real gambling.

But I'm also big on attending games. One of my life goals is to attend every stadium in the league. It wouldn't be complete without a Superbowl also. Now I just need the Chiefs to get there.

htismaqe
02-03-2005, 08:46 AM
Doesn't really sound like PR to me....


Funny that a writer thats been to 23 superbowls doesn't think it's a big deal.

Personally, I'd go. I'd spend an ass-load of money to do it if it was neccessary. In fact, I'll be searching for that company that offers pre-season shots at superbowl tickets. I can lose $100 worth of change in the course of a year, not to mention how much I spend on real gambling.

But I'm also big on attending games. One of my life goals is to attend every stadium in the league. It wouldn't be complete without a Superbowl also. Now I just need the Chiefs to get there.

See, for me, it's simply about the Chiefs going to the Super Bowl. I'd just as soon watch it on TV with family and friends as be there in person, likely by myself or with one other person.

It's just the apparent premise of his article is ridiculous.

"Chiefs fans shouldn't care about the team making it to the Super Bowl because going to the game is a big, expensive waste of time anyway."

BigRedChief
02-03-2005, 08:47 AM
I went to a Super Bowl once. Steelers vs. Cowboys in the Orange Bowl. Didn't like it. Much better on TV.

siberian khatru
02-03-2005, 08:48 AM
No way. OMG. Have I just not been paying attention to bylines or am I a huge dipshit?

I'm sure you just haven't been paying attention to bylines. No one would ever accuse you of being a dipshit. At least not a HUGE one.

jspchief
02-03-2005, 09:00 AM
It's just the apparent premise of his article is ridiculous.

"Chiefs fans shouldn't care about the team making it to the Super Bowl because going to the game is a big, expensive waste of time anyway." I look at it the same way I look at any activity. Just because you aren't into, that doesn't automatically make it stupid. I could give two sh*ts what Joe Rand thinks of my recreational preferences and the price tag that goes with it. I'm willing to bet if he did make the "list of 100 things I'd do with $3k" that there would be things on there that I wouldn't do.

You can argue the same thing about a trip to Hawaii, or maybe Europe. Hell, Maybe I'd rather spend 6k less on a vehicle so my wife and I could go to the game.

I don't really get the connection the article has with the Chiefs, but that's because I didn't know Rand worked for them until after I read the it. To me, it just sounded like he's trying to tell people how to spend their leisure time, or what the price tag for that leisure should be.

And as far as it being "better on TV"...there's 78,000 people that attend every Chiefs home game that don't neccessarily agree. Do you get a better overall view from the TV? You bet. But my reasons for attending games has always been about more than getting the best view.

And Hoover, I couldn't agree more. Season ticket holders for the two champion teams should get the first shot at Superbowl tickets, even split, with seniority deciding who's more deserving

Phobia
02-03-2005, 09:05 AM
I'm sure you just haven't been paying attention to bylines. No one would ever accuse you of being a dipshit. At least not a HUGE one.

That's a great answer. But I am a huge dipshit. I'm not really a dumbass, though. I'm not certain of the difference, but I think I clearly fall squarely into the dipshit category.

jynni
02-03-2005, 09:07 AM
Iíve covered 23 Super Bowls, so call me spoiled if you will. But thereís no way in heck Iíd spend that kind of money to attend any sporting event, especially not in Jacksonville.

If you've been going for free for 23 years why would pay for it?

Should the Chiefs ever make it they should set up a huge screen at Arrowhead and sell cheap tickets ($5-10) to watch the game in the stadium. That would be awesome to have thousands of fans in the same place. Could you imagine the hysteria if they won?

HC_Chief
02-03-2005, 09:09 AM
I have absolutely no urge to attend a SB. That game is for non-fans... all spectacle, with little emphasis on the game itself. A bunch of Hollywood/Corporate/Government douche-bags wanting to be seen and be at the 'in' party.

Screw all that. I want to see a football game. I'll stick with going to KU and Chiefs regular season games and leave the rest of the BS for the big screen.... where I can turn the gawdawful pregam, halftime, and postgame crap OFF. :D

siberian khatru
02-03-2005, 09:13 AM
That's a great answer. But I am a huge dipshit. I'm not really a dumbass, though. I'm not certain of the difference, but I think I clearly fall squarely into the dipshit category.

Look on the bright side: The first step to curing yourself of dipshittery is admitting you're a dipshit. You're on the road to recovery.

htismaqe
02-03-2005, 09:16 AM
I look at it the same way I look at any activity. Just because you aren't into, that doesn't automatically make it stupid. I could give two sh*ts what Joe Rand thinks of my recreational preferences and the price tag that goes with it. I'm willing to bet if he did make the "list of 100 things I'd do with $3k" that there would be things on there that I wouldn't do.

You can argue the same thing about a trip to Hawaii, or maybe Europe. Hell, Maybe I'd rather spend 6k less on a vehicle so my wife and I could go to the game.

I don't really get the connection the article has with the Chiefs, but that's because I didn't know Rand worked for them until after I read the it. To me, it just sounded like he's trying to tell people how to spend their leisure time, or what the price tag for that leisure should be.

And as far as it being "better on TV"...there's 78,000 people that attend every Chiefs home game that don't neccessarily agree. Do you get a better overall view from the TV? You bet. But my reasons for attending games has always been about more than getting the best view.

And Hoover, I couldn't agree more. Season ticket holders for the two champion teams should get the first shot at Superbowl tickets, even split, with seniority deciding who's more deserving

The implied connection here is that the Super Bowl isn't "all that" so Chief fans shouldn't be whining.

At least that's how I felt reading it.

Otter
02-03-2005, 09:21 AM
I'd rather watch it on TV with my Sunday Football Gang.

Until I'm a multi-millionare I'm not spending $3 to $5k to watch a bunch of guys who don't know my name play a game surrounded by a bunch of strangers.

For that money you could go to Alaska, Europe or South America with friends and family. Or buy a kick ass home theatre that will last you at least 5 years and you could watch all the games on.

Bah, I don't see a super bowl in my immediate future even if it is the Chiefs.

ROFL Now that's funny.

jspchief
02-03-2005, 09:35 AM
For that money you could go to Alaska, Europe or South America with friends and family.


Yea, and be "surrounded by a bunch of strangers".

Thats my point. Some people spend their liesure money on exotic travel, some spend it on home theater, some spend it on casinos, and some spend it on a big football game. We all put different values on what we consider a good time.

shaneo69
02-03-2005, 10:02 AM
The implied connection here is that the Super Bowl isn't "all that" so Chief fans shouldn't be whining.

At least that's how I felt reading it.


The way I read it, he was making fun of the Eagles fans who re-financed their house to get the cash for Super Bowl tickets.

If the Chiefs were in the Super Bowl, I'd probably put one $2,000 ticket on the credit card and go by myself. Maybe the wife would go and just tailgate with me. Living in St. Louis, I don't really have any friends here that would be rooting for the Chiefs with me if I stayed home to watch it at a Super Bowl party. In fact, the people here would probably be giving me more shit if the Chiefs were losing. So I would definitely rather go to the Super Bowl in person than watch it at home with a bunch of Rams fans.

Bearcat
02-03-2005, 10:11 AM
I know we talked about this in another thread but as amazing as it would be to see the Chiefs play in a superbowl in person I would rather watch it with all of my friends and family who have gone through the hard times as a Chiefs fan. There are not a lot of football fans it seems at the Super Bowl...I just dont think the atmosphere would be what I want it to be. Enjoying it with people I love with some good food and good drinks would be a lot more fun IMO.


Yeah, there's a reason I won't ever sit in Club Level for a Chiefs game, so I sure wouldn't spend that kind of money to sit in a stadium that is (for the most part) full of the Club Level type.

I totally agree that season ticket holders should get first crack at SB tickets... it would be sweet to have a college-type atmosphere, and have the stadium split in half by each team's fans.

Fat Elvis
02-03-2005, 10:12 AM
How much would it suck to pay that much money only to see your team LOSE in the Super Bowl?

BigChiefFan
02-03-2005, 10:17 AM
How much would it suck to pay that much money only to see your team LOSE in the Super Bowl?We pay close to that every year for season tickets and losing seasons have been prevelant in recent years. :p so, yea it SUCKS!!!!

E@SHSU
02-03-2005, 11:12 AM
I would much rather watch my Chiefs in the Superbowl at home. That way, no one could see me cry if they lost. Or take off my shirt if they won.

siberian khatru
02-03-2005, 11:24 AM
I would much rather watch my Chiefs in the Superbowl at home. That way, no one could see me cry if they lost. Or take off my shirt if they won.

F*ck the shirt. I'm stripping naked and running down my street waving a big Chiefs flag if they win.

I'll just TiVo the victory parade while I'm in jail. :D

KCTitus
02-03-2005, 11:26 AM
One of my best friends is a patriots fan...you know that team, the one that's been to 3 of the last 4 SB's. In all of those years, I have never once heard him express any desire to actually go to the SB to watch them play--even back in 2001.

He and I are equally passionate about the game of football, like to watch the games together and he's probably more of a homer than I am about our respective teams.

I'd like to believe that Im as grounded as he that if KC did go to the SB, I wouldnt even entertain thoughts of trying to score tickets. I would much prefer to watch the game with my friends, like he's done with me.

siberian khatru
02-03-2005, 11:30 AM
One of my best friends is a patriots fan...you know that team, the one that's been to 3 of the last 4 SB's. In all of those years, I have never once heard him express any desire to actually go to the SB to watch them play--even back in 2001.

He and I are equally passionate about the game of football, like to watch the games together and he's probably more of a homer than I am about our respective teams.

I'd like to believe that Im as grounded as he that if KC did go to the SB, I wouldnt even entertain thoughts of trying to score tickets. I would much prefer to watch the game with my friends, like he's done with me.

I live just 2 hours from Jacksonville, and last off-season I said that IF (big IF) the Chiefs made it to the Super Bowl this year (hey, stifle that laughter!) I would go down the week before for a day looking to buy some souvenirs and stuff. But I had no interest paying for tickets to see the game. I was perfectly content to sit at home and watch it on the big screen, where I could pace around and throw stuff and cuss and eat and drink a lot more cheaply and piss whenever I wanted to.

KCTitus
02-03-2005, 11:33 AM
I live just 2 hours from Jacksonville, and last off-season I said that IF (big IF) the Chiefs made it to the Super Bowl this year (hey, stifle that laughter!) I would go down the week before for a day looking to buy some souvenirs and stuff. But I had no interest paying for tickets to see the game. I was perfectly content to sit at home and watch it on the big screen, where I could pace around and throw stuff and cuss and eat and drink a lot more cheaply and piss whenever I wanted to.

Proximity, I must admit, would make it more enticing, but that will never be the case, unless Snyder can pull some kind of miracle and get them to play in DC.

Somebody else mentioned it, but the SB is less about the game and more about the 'spectacle'...the game comes in second, sometimes to the commericials, which you would obviously miss, if you attended the games.

Otter
02-03-2005, 11:55 AM
Yea, and be "surrounded by a bunch of strangers".

Thats my point. Some people spend their liesure money on exotic travel, some spend it on home theater, some spend it on casinos, and some spend it on a big football game. We all put different values on what we consider a good time.

Point taken.

go bowe
02-03-2005, 12:22 PM
I know we talked about this in another thread but as amazing as it would be to see the Chiefs play in a superbowl in person I would rather watch it with all of my friends and family who have gone through the hard times as a Chiefs fan. There are not a lot of football fans it seems at the Super Bowl...I just dont think the atmosphere would be what I want it to be. Enjoying it with people I love with some good food and good drinks would be a lot more fun IMO.:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

chiefs games are fun, but i only go once a year on the 37 forever weekend..

the rest of the time, give me the comforts of home (warmth, food, drink, and being merry)...

go bowe
02-03-2005, 12:24 PM
No way. OMG. Have I just not been paying attention to bylines or am I a huge dipshit?hmmmmmm...

let me get back to you on that...

go bowe
02-03-2005, 12:28 PM
I would much rather watch my Chiefs in the Superbowl at home. That way, no one could see me cry if they lost. Or take off my shirt if they won.this thread is worthless without pics...

Calcountry
02-03-2005, 03:03 PM
I know we talked about this in another thread but as amazing as it would be to see the Chiefs play in a superbowl in person I would rather watch it with all of my friends and family who have gone through the hard times as a Chiefs fan. There are not a lot of football fans it seems at the Super Bowl...I just dont think the atmosphere would be what I want it to be. Enjoying it with people I love with some good food and good drinks would be a lot more fun IMO.Just think how much good food and good drinks 500 bucks would buy. :thumb:

Ultra Peanut
02-03-2005, 03:26 PM
You were there in the glory yearsYou mean... year?

LTownChief
02-03-2005, 04:06 PM
I would never go to a Super Bowl, just to go. I would only want to go if the Chiefs were playing.


are you kidding me? I'd love to go to, no matter who is playing.