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redhed
02-04-2005, 09:31 AM
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls/rpi/index1

Haha! Lookit Illinois and BC's SOS!

Other area schools:
MU - 53
KSU - 71
SMSU - 72
NU - 84
UMKC - 149

Diggin' the Sportsline... nice coverage for the smaller schools. :D

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 09:33 AM
Nice to know we have a lower RPI than someone we beat twice. I don't put too much stock in to RPI until selection time.

HC_Chief
02-04-2005, 09:34 AM
KU is cruising to a #1 seed. 17-1, undefeated in conference, #1 RPI, #1 Strength of Schedule :thumb:

RCJGKU
:KU:

Cochise
02-04-2005, 09:35 AM
I'm going to love it when UNC wins it all this year.

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 09:35 AM
KU is cruising to a #1 seed. 17-1, undefeated in conference, #1 RPI, #1 Strength of Schedule :thumb:

RCJGKU
:KU:
That will all change on Febuary 9th. :fire:

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 09:36 AM
I'm going to love it when UNC wins it all this year.
UNC-Illinois would be a hell of a matchup. Probably very high scoring.

ROYC75
02-04-2005, 09:37 AM
KU has been at the top or near the top all year !

Rk. School W L RPI SOS Rank SOS
1 Kansas 17 1 0.7032 1 0.6227
2 Illinois 22 0 0.6646 53 0.5528
3 Wake Forest 18 3 0.6637 5 0.5993
4 Boston College 19 0 0.6617 61 0.5489
5 Duke 16 2 0.6559 18 0.5782
6 Oklahoma State 15 3 0.6541 7 0.5943
7 North Carolina 18 2 0.6485 40 0.5647
8 Washington 17 3 0.6462 17 0.5783
9 Arizona 18 4 0.6433 13 0.5850
10 Kentucky 16 2 0.6368 52 0.5528
11 Oklahoma 17 3 0.6304 46 0.5572
12 Alabama 16 3 0.6285 45 0.5574
13 Gonzaga 16 4 0.6264 33 0.5686
14 Wisconsin 15 4 0.6231 34 0.5676
15 Syracuse 20 2 0.6214 109 0.5255
16 Texas 14 5 0.6141 22 0.5732
17 Louisville 17 3 0.6126 96 0.5335
18 Cincinnati 17 4 0.6126 69 0.5469
19 Connecticut 13 5 0.6107 21 0.5736
20 Mississippi State 17 5 0.6063 56 0.5508
21 Villanova 12 5 0.6054 27 0.5719
22 Georgia Tech 13 6 0.6036 19 0.5767
23 Southern Illinois 16 5 0.6035 57 0.5507
24 Iowa 15 5 0.6032 50 0.5542
25 Michigan State 14 4 0.6030 70 0.5448
26 Georgetown 14 6 0.6019 31 0.5691
27 Minnesota 15 6 0.6006 43 0.5627
28 Maryland 13 6 0.6005 25 0.5726
29 Wichita State 16 3 0.5973 129 0.5157
30 LSU 12 6 0.5963 24 0.5728
31 Pittsburgh 15 3 0.5957 126 0.5165
32 Utah 16 3 0.5953 135 0.5130
33 Arizona State 16 6 0.5929 66 0.5481

HC_Chief
02-04-2005, 09:37 AM
That will all change on Febuary 9th. :fire:

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA, yeah right. The mildkittens will once again be steamrolled by the Jayhawks :D

redhed
02-04-2005, 09:38 AM
Well, if KSU played a better non-con sched, their RPI would be better.

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 09:38 AM
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA, yeah right. The mildkittens will once again be steamrolled by the Jayhawks :D
We'll see, my friend...we'll see. :D

Cochise
02-04-2005, 09:39 AM
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA, yeah right. The mildkittens will once again be steamrolled by the Jayhawks :D

They are going to get you guys sooner or later. Hell, my pitiful team could have got it done if they played 2 halves of basketball.

HC_Chief
02-04-2005, 09:40 AM
We'll see, my friend...we'll see. :D

Nah, it's pretty much a given... they're playing at Allen Field House West that night... you know, where the mildkittens have <i>never</i> defeated KU :p

HC_Chief
02-04-2005, 09:40 AM
They are going to get you guys sooner or later. Hell, my pitiful team could have got it done if they played 2 halves of basketball.

Yeah, and I might be boning Pamela Anderson if I were born Kid Rock...

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 09:41 AM
Nah, it's pretty much a given... they're playing at Allen Field House West that night... you know, where the mildkittens have <i>never</i> defeated KU :p
All i'll say is we've improved this season, and if KU sleepwalks in to this game like they have known to do this season, KSU will win.

Cochise
02-04-2005, 09:43 AM
Yeah, and I might be boning Pamela Anderson if I were born Kid Rock...

Then you'd have hepitits too. :hmmm: :hmmm:

HC_Chief
02-04-2005, 09:47 AM
All i'll say is we've improved this season, and if KU sleepwalks in to this game like they have known to do this season, KSU will win.

I think you should change that 'will win' to 'might win'. Again, KSU has taken a page right out of Snyder's (Bill, not Qute) playbook and scheduled a pansy non-con which over-inflated appearances. Now that you're rolling into conference play, against the likes of UT, OSU, OU and KU, we'll see just how far your team has really 'progressed'. Heh, you recently got SMASHED by one of those squads... it was pretty telling in my book.

Besides, after that slaughter at 'Nove, I haven't seen KU sleep walk through anything. That was definitely a wakeup call.

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 09:49 AM
I think you should change that 'will win' to 'might win'. Again, KSU has taken a page right out of Snyder's (Bill, not Qute) playbook and scheduled a pansy non-con which over-inflated appearances. Now that you're rolling into conference play, against the likes of UT, OSU, OU and KU, we'll see just how far your team has really 'progressed'. Heh, you recently got SMASHED by one of those squads... it was pretty telling in my book.

Besides, after that slaughter at 'Nove, I haven't seen KU sleep walk through anything. That was definitely a wakeup call.
We aren't doing too bad in conference play. 3-4, which is much better than what we've managed in years past at this time. Just a couple buckets away from being 5-2...bleh.

BTW, does the NU game ring a bell? I call that sleepwalking.

ROYC75
02-04-2005, 10:11 AM
We aren't doing too bad in conference play. 3-4, which is much better than what we've managed in years past at this time. Just a couple buckets away from being 5-2...bleh.

BTW, does the NU game ring a bell? I call that sleepwalking.

That was before the Villanova game.

Besides that, the MU 1st half was a stupid half.

On a side note, I see that West Allen Fieldhouse in West Lawrence will encounter there 1st sellout when KU comes to town.

How nice it is that alot of tickets were sold to the KU fans, it might be the only sellout you guys get this year ?

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 10:14 AM
That was before the Villanova game.

Besides that, the MU 1st half was a stupid half.

On a side note, I see that West Allen Fieldhouse in West Lawrence will encounter there 1st sellout when KU comes to town.

How nice it is that alot of tickets were sold to the KU fans, it might be the only sellout you guys get this year ?
True, True.

On a side note, Bramlage has been sold out quite a few times, so your statement is inaccurate. Also, I don't think there will be too many KU fans there. I predict a mostly purple crowd. The MU game was a near-sell out, and this saturdays game vs CU is a near sell out.

Cochise
02-04-2005, 10:16 AM
On a side note, Bramlage has been sold out quite a few times,

The womens' team doesn't count.

HC_Chief
02-04-2005, 10:17 AM
The womens' team doesn't count.

hehehe :D

Lzen
02-04-2005, 10:18 AM
The womens' team doesn't count.

:LOL:

Baby Lee
02-04-2005, 10:20 AM
Then you'd have hepitits too. :hmmm: :hmmm:
hepitits?? Is that some kind of breast implant? If so, she had those removed, I think.

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 10:20 AM
haha..haters. The mens team hasn't sold out in a couple years. People are still recovering from the Asbury era.

Last sell out was in 02-03 IIRC.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 10:20 AM
Saul,
KSU will win one of these years. And they are playing much better this year. But I still am not sold on them this year. That ass whippin' by OSU was really an eye opener. We'll see what happens when KU comes to town. If KU remains focused, they'll win easily, IMO.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 10:22 AM
BTW, I always use this site to find the RPI.

http://kenpom.com/rpi.php

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 10:27 AM
Saul,
KSU will win one of these years. And they are playing much better this year. But I still am not sold on them this year. That ass whippin' by OSU was really an eye opener. We'll see what happens when KU comes to town. If KU remains focused, they'll win easily, IMO.
It was really much closer than the score indicated. We were trailing them from 2 to 6 points for most of the game, until we just ran out of wind, and ran out of players to rotate in and out. Then the 3's started raining down...

But, like i've been saying, KSU needs to win vs OU or KU, at home. I don't expect them to beat UT on the road, but I expect them to win @CU and possibly ISU. The rest of the home games, I expect to win (CU, Baylor, NU). 7-9 would be a minor dissapointment, but an improvement. We'd really like to get to 10-6 or 9-7.

Cochise
02-04-2005, 10:34 AM
hepitits?? Is that some kind of breast implant? If so, she had those removed, I think.

gah... freud would have something to say about my spelling error there...

ROYC75
02-04-2005, 10:38 AM
True, True.

On a side note, Bramlage has been sold out quite a few times, so your statement is inaccurate. Also, I don't think there will be too many KU fans there. I predict a mostly purple crowd. The MU game was a near-sell out, and this saturdays game vs CU is a near sell out.

No kidding ? :hmmm:

Check this out !

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/10812108.htm

SELLOUT IN MANHATTAN: Kansas's 8 p.m. Wednesday game at Kansas State is a sellout, K-State officials announced Thursday. Capacity at K-State's Bramlage Coliseum is 13,500. It's the first sellout at K-State since the 2002-03 season. The game last season against KU drew 11,103.

HC_Chief
02-04-2005, 10:40 AM
The game last season against KU drew 11,103.

8k of which = KU fans :p

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 10:42 AM
No kidding ? :hmmm:

Check this out !

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/10812108.htm

SELLOUT IN MANHATTAN: Kansas's 8 p.m. Wednesday game at Kansas State is a sellout, K-State officials announced Thursday. Capacity at K-State's Bramlage Coliseum is 13,500. It's the first sellout at K-State since the 2002-03 season. The game last season against KU drew 11,103.
Reading comprehension a bit limited, I see. Product of a KU education? :D

See post #24 for further info.

Mr. Laz
02-04-2005, 11:52 AM
I'm going to love it when UNC wins it all this year.
ya, i imagine there will be Bandwagon UNC fans popping up all over mizzery after MU gets beat in the 1st round of the NIT.

Pants
02-04-2005, 12:11 PM
ya, i imagine there will be Bandwagon UNC fans popping up all over mizzery after MU gets beat in the 1st round of the NIT.

ROFL You are on a roll these couple days.

And, yeah, like I've said before - I'm pretty nervous about Feb.9th, just a bad feeling.

royr17
02-04-2005, 12:38 PM
Can I officially say goodbye to your guys and the jayhawks for a week !!!!!!!!!!!

Pants
02-04-2005, 12:39 PM
Can I officially say goodbye to your guys and the jayhawks for a week !!!!!!!!!!!

No.

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 12:41 PM
ya, i imagine there will be Bandwagon UNC fans popping up all over mizzery after MU gets beat in the 1st round of the NIT.
Um....hate to burst your bubble Laz, but MU isn't making the NIT this year.

royr17
02-04-2005, 12:43 PM
No.

Well im headin off for a week and will be away from chiefsplanet and basketball for a whole week, so enjoy it while im gone. :p

Swanman
02-04-2005, 12:46 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls/rpi/index1

Haha! Lookit Illinois and BC's SOS!

Other area schools:
MU - 53
KSU - 71
SMSU - 72
NU - 84
UMKC - 149

Diggin' the Sportsline... nice coverage for the smaller schools. :D

The SOS and RPI calculations are full of shit. Let's take a look at the top 5 schools that KU and Illinois have played:

Illinois: Gonzaga (neutral), Wake Forest (home), Cincinnati (neutral), Wisconsin (road), Michigan State (road) - all wins, most of them very convincing

Kansas: G. Tech (home), Kentucky (road), Texas (home), Villanova (road), Iowa State (road) - 4 wins and one asskicking by a mediocre Villanova squad

Looking at the top 5 schools that KU and Illinois have played, I'd say Illinois has played a tougher schedule, but the stupid SOS calculation murders Illinois because they played a couple of games against teams like Longwood and Oakland. Teams are unfairly penalized for a few games against creampuffs even if they play a murderous schedule the rest of the way. You're rewarded for playing all mediocre/decent teams instead of a few really great teams and a few terrible teams.

Don't get me wrong, KU has a very good team, but to rank them ahead of Illinois is laughable right now.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 01:16 PM
Actually, the top 5 schools that Kansas has played (according to the RPI) are:

1. Kentucky (10)
2. Vermont (18)
3. Villanova (21)
4. Pacific (24)
5. Georgia Tech (28)

Mr. Laz
02-04-2005, 01:17 PM
Um....hate to burst your bubble Laz, but MU isn't making the NIT this year.

oops ... my bad




ROFL

Lzen
02-04-2005, 01:20 PM
The top 5 schools that Illinois has played are:

1. Wake Forest (2)
2. Gonzaga (11)
3. Wisconsin (16)
4. Cincinnati (25)
5. Michigan State (30)

Lzen
02-04-2005, 01:27 PM
Kansas has only played 4 teams that are even ranked over 100, Iowa State(140), Nebraska(127), Baylor(239), and Missouri(110) and none were by choice - conference games.

Only 1 team on KU's schedule so far has even been rannked over 140.

Illinois has played 11 teams ranked over 100. 10 of those were ranked over 140, 5 were ranked over 200, and 1 was over 300. 8 of those games played against teams ranked over 100 were by choice for the Illini (non- conference).

Illinois is a great team this year, no doubt. But it's a lot easier to stay undefeated when half your schedule is against cream puffs.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 01:31 PM
Another perspecitve is to look at KU's game against top 100 (RPI) teams. They have played 14 out of 17 top 100 teams. That's 82% of their schedule.

Swanman
02-04-2005, 01:32 PM
Actually, the top 5 schools that Kansas has played (according to the RPI) are:

1. Kentucky (10)
2. Vermont (18)
3. Villanova (21)
4. Pacific (24)
5. Georgia Tech (28)

That list right there illustrates perfectly why the RPI sucks. There is no was that both Vermont and Pacific are better than Georgia Tech. The main reason both teams have good RPIs is because they have good records from beating very bad teams.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 01:47 PM
That list right there illustrates perfectly why the RPI sucks. There is no was that both Vermont and Pacific are better than Georgia Tech. The main reason both teams have good RPIs is because they have good records from beating very bad teams.

Wrong. Do you have any clue how the RPI formula works? Judging by your posts, I would guess not.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 01:48 PM
The RPI formula is 1/4*(Winning Percentage) + 1/2*(Opponents' Average Winning Percentage) + 1/4*(Opponents' Opponents' Winning Percentage)

Lzen
02-04-2005, 01:51 PM
In regards to home and away games:

The Division I men's basketball committee has altered the Ratings Percentage Index, used to evaluate teams for selection to the NCAA Tournament, to give more weight to playing and winning road games.

The RPI will continue to consist of 25 percent winning percentage, 50 percent opponents' winning percentage and 25 percent opponents' opponents' winning percentage. The new formula will weight each road win at 1.4 and each road loss at .6, while home wins are .6 and home losses are 1.4. Neutral-site games will have a 1.0 value.

Previously, all games were given the same weight. Committee chairman Bob Bowlsby said home teams have won approximately two-thirds of all games over the last 20 years. [Dallas Morning News, 12/18/04]

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 01:54 PM
Why does it matter? Illinois will likely end up a 1 seed. KU is wavering on a 1 or 2 seed.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 01:56 PM
Oh yeah, Saul brought up what was gonna be my other point. It really shouldn't matter at this point anyway. The NCAA plays a tournament in hoops. So, rankings are irrelevant. Other than the fact that you'll be placed closer to home if you're a top seed. Even that is not guaranteed.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 01:59 PM
The RPI is far from perfect. However, it's the best system we've got right now. And from what I understand, the NCAA uses it to help determine who gets into the tourney.

Also, did you know that Pacific beat Santa Clara? Yeah, that same Santa Clara team that beat North Carolina? ROFL

And at least they can lay claim to the fact that they, unlike Illinois, haven't played anyone ranked 300 or more. :p

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 02:01 PM
Oh yeah, Saul brought up what was gonna be my other point. It really shouldn't matter at this point anyway. The NCAA plays a tournament in hoops. So, rankings are irrelevant. Other than the fact that you'll be placed closer to home if you're a top seed. Even that is not guaranteed.
Thats really all about the money. KU got placed close to home last year and they weren't a top seed.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 02:03 PM
After looking more deeply, Swannman may have a valid argument about Vermont. I'm still trying to figure out how they are ranked 18. Their SOS is 135. ????

Saulbadguy
02-04-2005, 02:08 PM
Keep f'ckin doubtin Coppenrath.

HolmeZz
02-04-2005, 02:17 PM
This all shouldn't matter because Illinois would have their way with Kansas. :p

HolmeZz
02-04-2005, 02:19 PM
BTW, Vermont is 47th in the RPI. Not 18th.

Swanman
02-04-2005, 02:22 PM
Illinois is a great team this year, no doubt. But it's a lot easier to stay undefeated when half your schedule is against cream puffs.

That statement is borderline insane. Yes, Illinois has played some bad teams (Longwood, Valpo, NW State, etc.) but to rail against their schedule means that you're really not paying attention. KU did nothing but play mediocre mid-major schools on their home court until the month of January when they had a great win at Kentucky. During that time, Illinois beat the shit out of good Gonzaga and Cincy teams on neutral courts while going on the road to play teams like Arkansas and Georgetown (granted, those teams aren't all that great this year but road games against major conference teams are always harder than playing the likes of UW-Milwaukee and Vermont on your home floor, look at the Villanova game). Looking at KU's schedule, they've played a decent schedule, but in no way has their schedule been light years tougher than Illinois like the RPI states.

Just look at last year's RPI where they rated St. Joseph's SOS #1 and you'll see why I don't put much stock in the calculations. They only played one ranked team (Gonzaga) the entire season, but the calculation determined that they had the toughest schedule in the country.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 02:36 PM
That statement is borderline insane. Yes, Illinois has played some bad teams (Longwood, Valpo, NW State, etc.) but to rail against their schedule means that you're really not paying attention. KU did nothing but play mediocre mid-major schools on their home court until the month of January when they had a great win at Kentucky. During that time, Illinois beat the shit out of good Gonzaga and Cincy teams on neutral courts while going on the road to play teams like Arkansas and Georgetown (granted, those teams aren't all that great this year but road games against major conference teams are always harder than playing the likes of UW-Milwaukee and Vermont on your home floor, look at the Villanova game). Looking at KU's schedule, they've played a decent schedule, but in no way has their schedule been light years tougher than Illinois like the RPI states.

Just look at last year's RPI where they rated St. Joseph's SOS #1 and you'll see why I don't put much stock in the calculations. They only played one ranked team (Gonzaga) the entire season, but the calculation determined that they had the toughest schedule in the country.

I don't think we're going to convince each other. But perhaps we can at least agree that the NCAA hoops tournament is a much better format than the BCS. At least the championship is decided on the court rather than in the polls.

Lzen
02-04-2005, 02:38 PM
BTW, Vermont is 47th in the RPI. Not 18th.

I was going by this site:

http://kenpom.com/rpi.php

But I think that 47 ranking is much more accurate. Perhaps the site I was using messed up on Vermont.

ChiefsFanatic
02-04-2005, 02:54 PM
Yeah, and I might be boning Pamela Anderson if I were born Kid Rock...

I think I would have went with the Jennifer Anniston/Brad Pitt combo. Hell, I thnk that I would have went with just about any other combo. I mean, she has been turned out by Tommy Lee, Brett Michaels, Kid Rock and Scott Baio for godsake.

Swanman
02-04-2005, 03:32 PM
I don't think we're going to convince each other. But perhaps we can at least agree that the NCAA hoops tournament is a much better format than the BCS. At least the championship is decided on the court rather than in the polls.

I think we can agree that both Illinois and KU have good teams and the NCAA tournament rocks and leave it at that.

And that Bill Self wears a rug (sorry, had to get that jab in there, feel free to retort with your best Bruce Weber putdown).