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Donger
02-07-2005, 01:15 PM
Looks like it's going to be Dean after all...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/02/07/democrats.chair.ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Tim Roemer, the only remaining opponent of Howard Dean in the race to be chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said Monday he's bowing out of the race -- but he offered a warning to Democrats.

Dean, the former presidential candidate and governor of Vermont, is expected to win the DNC chairmanship at the election February 12.

Roemer, a former congressman from Indiana and a member of the September 11 commission, said Democrats must be more inclusive in their outreach to fast-growing parts of the country.

"I got into this race five weeks ago to talk about the devastating loss we experienced in November," Roemer said in an interview. "It was not about 60,000 votes in Ohio. It was about losing 97 of the 100 fastest growing counties in the country. If that's a trend in business or politics you're in trouble."

Republicans are in the strongest position they've been in since the early 20th century, Roemer said.

Roemer, who said top Democrats in Congress encouraged him to enter the chairman's race, said he wants to strengthen Democrats' position on national security.

"If there's one reason Senator Kerry lost the presidential race, it was because he failed to make the American people feel safer," Roemer said, adding that he also wanted to encourage talk within the party about developing a stronger position on values.

Roemer said he hoped to make the party more inclusive, especially on the issue of abortion. He opposes abortion except in cases of rape, incest and the health of the mother.

His opposition to abortion rights sparked early opposition in the race from abortion choice advocates.

Aides to Dean, the only candidate standing from the original seven-man field, said he continues to make calls to DNC members to assure his choice as chairman.

Dean has said he will focus his efforts as chairman more on building the party at the local, state and national level, raising money and winning elections, while elected officials will be more responsible for policy positions.

Cochise
02-07-2005, 01:33 PM
sweet!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

You know, conservatives all over the country are jubilant at Dean winning this horserace. But I haven't heard any lib predicting that Dean is going to wreak havoc on Republicans.

Are there any libs at all who would attempt to make the case that party leadership taking another hard left is going to result in more success at the ballot box?

Donger
02-07-2005, 01:41 PM
sweet!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

You know, conservatives all over the country are jubilant at Dean winning this horserace. But I haven't heard any lib predicting that Dean is going to wreak havoc on Republicans.

Are there any libs at all who would attempt to make the case that party leadership taking another hard left is going to result in more success at the ballot box?

From the article, it sure sounds like they think that the reason they lost the last election (perhaps even those before it?) was due to lack of funds.

If so, they are in for a shock. They should have listened to this guy...

"I got into this race five weeks ago to talk about the devastating loss we experienced in November," Roemer said in an interview. "It was not about 60,000 votes in Ohio. It was about losing 97 of the 100 fastest growing counties in the country. If that's a trend in business or politics you're in trouble."

Cochise
02-07-2005, 01:54 PM
Huh. So they don't understand that the message is the problem.

I might rethink that if I had millionaires dumping tens of millions to my party, a concert tour advertising the ticket, a feature film, friendly news coverage, a vulnerable incumbent who expanded on his victory from last time, and we still lost. :spock:

They don't need to change anything about the party... just advertise more :spock:

SBK
02-07-2005, 02:47 PM
Huh. So they don't understand that the message is the problem.

I might rethink that if I had millionaires dumping tens of millions to my party, a concert tour advertising the ticket, a feature film, friendly news coverage, a vulnerable incumbent who expanded on his victory from last time, and we still lost. :spock:

They don't need to change anything about the party... just advertise more :spock:

The first step to a solution is realizing you have a problem. That's good news for conservatives everywhere.....:thumb:

homey
02-07-2005, 02:59 PM
Wake up people. The reason the Democrats didnít win was because they didnít choose the best candidate. He tried to be Bush. The Dems didnít lose because theyíre too liberal, they lost because they didnít separate themselves from republicans. Look at the polls after the election. 65% of the public were apprehensive about Bushís plans for the next 4 years. If the pubic had been given a choice, the neocon trend would have been dead Nov. 2. Now weíve got to wait a little longer until the next trend comes along.

Donger
02-07-2005, 03:06 PM
Wake up people. The reason the Democrats didnít win was because they didnít choose the best candidate. He tried to be Bush. The Dems didnít lose because theyíre too liberal, they lost because they didnít separate themselves from republicans. Look at the polls after the election. 65% of the public were apprehensive about Bushís plans for the next 4 years. If the pubic had been given a choice, the neocon trend would have been dead Nov. 2. Now weíve got to wait a little longer until the next trend comes along.

He tried to be Bush?

Okay, list one area that Kerry tried to emulate Bush. Just one.

SBK
02-07-2005, 03:06 PM
Wake up people. The reason the Democrats didnít win was because they didnít choose the best candidate. He tried to be Bush. The Dems didnít lose because theyíre too liberal, they lost because they didnít separate themselves from republicans. Look at the polls after the election. 65% of the public were apprehensive about Bushís plans for the next 4 years. If the pubic had been given a choice, the neocon trend would have been dead Nov. 2. Now weíve got to wait a little longer until the next trend comes along.

ROFL This is too much. Ranting and thereby making the same point conservatives are making here.

It's not the message that cost you, it was the messenger. I really hope your party feels the exact same way. It got you a long way in 2000, even farther in 2004, maybe in 2008 you can get all the way to the moon! ROFL

SBK
02-07-2005, 03:07 PM
He tried to be Bush?

Okay, list one area that Kerry tried to emulate Bush. Just one.

He was running for president! ROFLROFL

I love this homey guy! He's a funny one!

RINGLEADER
02-08-2005, 10:20 AM
Wake up people. The reason the Democrats didnít win was because they didnít choose the best candidate. He tried to be Bush. The Dems didnít lose because theyíre too liberal, they lost because they didnít separate themselves from republicans. Look at the polls after the election. 65% of the public were apprehensive about Bushís plans for the next 4 years. If the pubic had been given a choice, the neocon trend would have been dead Nov. 2. Now weíve got to wait a little longer until the next trend comes along.


You keep telling yourself that sparky and please, please go hard-left in the next four years. Seeing as you have a man who proclaimed he wanted to be the "first gay president", didn't know whether Usama was guilty, and preferred having Saddam contained rather than confronted I would say you're well on your way!

homey
02-11-2005, 03:18 PM
Did you just reference ther infamous made up quote from Fox News you all always seem to conviently forget?

http://themoderatevoice.typepad.com/blog/2004/10/fox_newsor_fox_.html

There's only room for one Sean Hannity in the word bud, you need a new vise.

jAZ
02-11-2005, 03:29 PM
As exstatic as the republicans portend to be about this (as if it's a bad thing for the Dems)... I sense that it's either over-zealous celebration, or they really have no objective sense of what Dean did as a campaigner or what his politics are as a Democrat.

In either case, I guess it is irrelevant as Dean will be the next DNCC.

Even though Republicans will do what they can to make him into a cartoon, I think he's has a TON of potential to make a hugely positive impact at the grassroots level.

I kinda hope the Republicans fail to see any futher than the Dean scream.

Michael Michigan
02-11-2005, 04:04 PM
I kinda hope the Republicans fail to see any futher than the Dean scream.

Not likely.

http://www.nationalledger.com/commentary/article_1105.shtml

GOP Judicial Strategy, the Nuclear Option
by Robert Novak

THE DEAN FILE

Democrats, who now acknowledge the inevitability of Howard Dean's election as chairman of the Democratic National Committee, are concerned about the massive negative research about him stockpiled by President Bush's political operatives.

The Dean file was compiled by Bush's re-election campaign when it appeared that the former Vermont governor was going to be nominated for president. It is a carefully researched compendium of Dean's often bizarre utterances.

Well-placed Republicans do not deny the file exists but point out they kept quiet about often unsavory business dealings of Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic chairman the last four years.

PunkinDrublic
02-11-2005, 07:20 PM
I think having Dean working behind the scenes is a good thing. Besides the whole scream thing his team worked a very good and innovative campaign. Dean being an actual candidate is one thing but working behind the scenes is a whole different ballgame.

Donger
02-11-2005, 09:48 PM
As exstatic as the republicans portend to be about this (as if it's a bad thing for the Dems)... I sense that it's either over-zealous celebration, or they really have no objective sense of what Dean did as a campaigner or what his politics are as a Democrat.

In either case, I guess it is irrelevant as Dean will be the next DNCC.

Even though Republicans will do what they can to make him into a cartoon, I think he's has a TON of potential to make a hugely positive impact at the grassroots level.

I kinda hope the Republicans fail to see any futher than the Dean scream.

Wow. You've really turned into quite the arrogant political pr*ck, haven't you? Personally, I don't see how exactly you justify that, but oh well.

Grassroots is fine and dandy, but it simply doesn't win elections. The Democrats, by having Dean be their next chairman, have signaled that it wasn't the message, but the messenger, that failed the 2004 election. That's just wrong, but by all means keep it up. Dean is left of Kerry on pretty much every issue, and that's saying something. Sure, he'll raise a bunch of money, but so what? He raised a bunch of money for himself and still got stomped. Know why? Because of his message.

You seem to have the disease that many hardcore Dems have right now, and that disease is (for lack of a better word) denial. You seem to simply not be capable or willing to accept the fact that, despite all GW's obvious flaws, you guys have the wrong message and vision for America.

America is a conservative country, at it's core. As long as you people insist on having your party run by people like Dean, you will continue to lose.

Good luck. You're going to need it.

jAZ
02-11-2005, 10:01 PM
Dean is left of Kerry on pretty much every issue, and that's saying something.
It's exactly this mentality that I'm counting on. You and the rest of the Republicans can keep thinking that Dean is far left and things will work out just fine for the Dems.

Boozer
02-11-2005, 10:01 PM
America is a conservative country, at it's core.

Oh, I highly doubt that. Attitudes and policies have changed quite a bit in the past 230 years. Besides, I thought you righties always bitched and moaned about the "socialism" rampant in America, am I wrong?

Now, if you're saying "the American people over the past 25 years" have been pretty conservative, that's different.

Donger
02-11-2005, 10:19 PM
It's exactly this mentality that I'm counting on. You and the rest of the Republicans can keep thinking that Dean is far left and things will work out just fine for the Dems.

Please name one issue that you think Dean qualified/qualifies as being right of Kerry on.

Donger
02-11-2005, 10:21 PM
Oh, I highly doubt that. Attitudes and policies have changed quite a bit in the past 230 years. Besides, I thought you righties always bitched and moaned about the "socialism" rampant in America, am I wrong?

Now, if you're saying "the American people over the past 25 years" have been pretty conservative, that's different.

No. We bitch about lefties trying to take the country left. Big difference.

Quite simply, take a look at other highly industrialized nations around the world and see where we stand in comparison to them. That's what I'm using as my "America's a conservative nation" measuring stick.

Boozer
02-11-2005, 10:26 PM
No. We bitch about lefties trying to take the country left. Big difference.
I take it I won't hear another word out of you on Social Security or our tax code.

Quite simply, take a look at other highly industrialized nations around the world and see where we stand in comparison to them. That's what I'm using as my "America's a conservative nation" measuring stick.

Fair enough, although I'm thrown into a bit of a quandary: only economically successful nations are even close to being socialist? Surely the converse must not be true.

Boozer
02-11-2005, 10:27 PM
Please name one issue that you think Dean qualified/qualifies as being right of Kerry on.

Gun control, biatch.

Donger
02-11-2005, 10:45 PM
I take it I won't hear another word out of you on Social Security or our tax code.

If i'd been around in the 1930's, you have heard me bitch about SS and all the other socialist crap that FDR put out, trust me.

Fair enough, although I'm thrown into a bit of a quandary: only economically successful nations are even close to being socialist? Surely the converse must not be true.

Have you taken a peek at our socialist friends in Europe lately? They're not exactly doing great.

Donger
02-11-2005, 10:47 PM
Gun control, biatch.

Please do enlighten. As far as I know, Dean pretty much held the same positions as Kerry.

Boozer
02-11-2005, 10:51 PM
If i'd been around in the 1930's, you have heard me bitch about SS and all the other socialist crap that FDR put out, trust me.
Boy, those policies brought us to ruin!

Have you taken a peek at our socialist friends in Europe lately? They're not exactly doing great.

Those policies aren't exactly new, are they? If what you call "socialist" policies cause economic ruin, how'd our Western European "friends" get where they are from 1945?

Boozer
02-11-2005, 10:52 PM
Please do enlighten. As far as I know, Dean pretty much held the same positions as Kerry.

Do you research. I'd start with ol' "socialist" Vermont's CCW rules, for starters.

Donger
02-11-2005, 10:57 PM
Boy, those policies brought us to ruin!


Those policies aren't exactly new, are they? If what you call "socialist" policies cause economic ruin, how'd our Western European "friends" get where they are from 1945?

They will, eventually. Are you actually defending Social Security as it stands now?

Donger
02-11-2005, 10:59 PM
Do you research. I'd start with ol' "socialist" Vermont's CCW rules, for starters.

I enquired about any issue that Dean is right of Kerry, not the state of Vermont. As you know, his position of left of Kerry's on gun control.

So, any others you want to try?

Donger
02-11-2005, 11:00 PM
Those policies aren't exactly new, are they? If what you call "socialist" policies cause economic ruin, how'd our Western European "friends" get where they are from 1945?

The Marshall Plan certainly helped, BTW.

Boozer
02-11-2005, 11:00 PM
They will, eventually. Are you actually defending Social Security as it stands now?

No.

Boozer
02-11-2005, 11:01 PM
As you know, his position of left of Kerry's on gun control.

Link?

Donger
02-11-2005, 11:06 PM
Link?

Do you really believe that Dean believes that? IMO, the only reason that Dean portrays that impression is that he's from Vermont (i.e., a rural more or less state).

Boozer
02-11-2005, 11:06 PM
Link?

I know, "Holy shit, a federalist on the issue, how am I going to sling mud at him?"

Boozer
02-11-2005, 11:07 PM
[I got nothing, other than a general character attack.]

Yep.

Donger
02-11-2005, 11:07 PM
I know, "Holy shit, a federalist on the issue, how am I going to sling mud at him?"

I'm trying to get kids to bed. Give me a break. See above.

Boozer
02-11-2005, 11:09 PM
I'm trying to get kids to bed. Give me a break. See above.

See above, as well.

Donger
02-11-2005, 11:09 PM
Yep.

Or not. Dean's not stupid, I'll give him that. Geography plays a part in politics, Boozer.

Boozer
02-11-2005, 11:10 PM
Vermont (i.e., a rural more or less state).

Since you've started posting on this site, I've let you bend reality quite a bit, but claiming Vermont isn't "rural" is a little much.

Boozer
02-11-2005, 11:11 PM
Geography plays a part in politics, Boozer.

Well that depends if Vermont is rural or not.

Donger
02-11-2005, 11:13 PM
Since you've started posting on this site, I've let you bend reality quite a bit, but claiming Vermont isn't "rural" is a little much.

Ermm, I'm not claiming that. Much of Vermont is very much a rural state. That's my point; Dean has tempered his anti-gun stance in order to garner support from such rural, pro-gun people.

Look at the rest of his positions. His gun stance is diametrically opposed to it. It's just politics.

jAZ
02-12-2005, 12:32 AM
Please name one issue that you think Dean qualified/qualifies as being right of Kerry on.
Ask the NRA.

WilliamTheIrish
02-12-2005, 12:10 PM
It's exactly this mentality that I'm counting on. You and the rest of the Republicans can keep thinking that Dean is far left and things will work out just fine for the Dems.

Dean did do some amazing things. Raised a ton of money through the internet and kept momentum even when Kerry rose from the dead.

He does motivate people. But it seems he motivates the far, far left more than anybody else. The DNC has been sorely lacking in new ideas and views. Does Howard Dean bring something new to the Democratic chair?

"We are the party of moral values," Dean said. "There is nothing moral about cutting 300 million dollars that is used to feed starving children."

That quote is from today's Yahoo News story about Dean winning the chairmanship. Doesn't sound like anything new to me.