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memyselfI
02-10-2005, 06:46 AM
As a woman, I'm so proud of the contributions of my fellow females. Nothing like allowing your goverment to use YOUR body as a weapon. :thumb: What great advances women have made in the military! :clap:

Hookers (being paid to use their body) for the military. Nice.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6942867/page/2/

Detainees accuse female interrogators
Source: Pentagon inquiry confirms sexual tactics
Updated: 12:18 a.m. ET Feb. 10, 2005

Female interrogators repeatedly used sexually suggestive tactics to try to humiliate and pry information from devout Muslim men held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a military investigation not yet public and newly declassified accounts from detainees.

The prisoners have told their lawyers, who compiled the accounts, that female interrogators regularly violated Muslim taboos about sex and contact with women. The women rubbed their bodies against the men, wore skimpy clothes in front of them, made sexually explicit remarks and touched them provocatively, at least eight detainees said in documents or through their attorneys.

A wide-ranging Pentagon investigation, which has not yet been released, generally confirms the detainees' allegations, according to a senior Defense Department official familiar with the report. While isolated accounts of such tactics have emerged in recent weeks, the new allegations and the findings of the Pentagon investigation indicate that sexually oriented tactics may have been part of the fabric of Guantanamo interrogations, especially in 2003.


The inquiry uncovered numerous instances in which female interrogators, using dye, pretended to spread menstrual blood on Muslim men, the official said. Separately, in court papers and public statements, three detainees say that women smeared them with blood.

The military investigation of U.S. detention and interrogation practices worldwide, led by Vice Adm. Albert T. Church III, confirmed one case in which an Army interrogator took off her uniform top and paraded around in a tight T-shirt to make a Guantanamo detainee uncomfortable, and other cases in which interrogators touched the detainees suggestively, the senior Pentagon official said.

The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the report has not yet been made public, said the fake blood was used on Muslim men before they intended to pray, because some Muslims believe that "if a woman touches him prior to prayer, then he's dirty and can't pray." Muslim men also believe that contact with women other than their wives diminishes religious purity.

Reprimands for two
Defense Department officials said they have reprimanded two female interrogators for such tactics. It is unclear whether military personnel, employees of other agencies or private contractors were involved.

The attorney interviews of detainees are the result of a Supreme Court decision last summer that gave the captives access to lawyers and the opportunity to challenge their incarceration in U.S. courts.

In previous documents, detainees have complained of physical abuse, including routine beatings, painful shackling, and exposure to extremes of hot and cold. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld insisted then that detainees were treated "humanely," and Pentagon officials said terrorists were trained to fabricate torture allegations.

Some of the accounts resemble the sexual aspects of the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners at the U.S. prison at Abu Ghraib. Photographs that became public last year showed a servicewoman there holding naked prisoners on a leash and posing next to a pile of naked prisoners.

Pentagon officials said yesterday that wearing skimpy clothing or engaging in provocative touching and banter would be inappropriate interrogation techniques.

"I don't see that as being authorized by secretary of defense's approved interrogation techniques for Guantanamo," said Col. David McWilliams, a spokesman for the U.S. Southern Command in Miami, which oversees operations at Guantanamo Bay.

McWilliams said it is premature to comment on whether the detainee allegations are credible until a second military investigation that focuses on Guantanamo Bay abuse allegations is complete. The inquiry, which began in early January after the release of documents in which FBI agents said they witnessed abuse, is scheduled to be completed this month.

'A little creative'
"That's exactly why we're doing an investigation," McWilliams said. "We're going to establish the facts and the truth."

Church's report found that interrogators used sexually oriented tactics and harassment to shock or offend Muslim prisoners, the senior Pentagon official said. The official said that the military would not condone "sexual activity" during interrogation, but that good interrogators "take initiative and are a little creative."" They are trying to find the key that will get someone to talk to them. Using things that are culturally repulsive is okay as long as it doesn't extend to something prohibited by the Geneva Conventions."


Attorneys for detainees scoffed at the Pentagon's insistence that the military can fairly investigate its own personnel. They noted that the Defense Department last fall initially dismissed torture allegations, insisting that detainees were trained at terrorist camps to lodge false claims.

Even detainee lawyers doubted that interrogators would spread menstrual blood on prisoners when a recently released British detainee first made the allegation in early 2004. A month ago, a Pentagon spokesman confirmed it had verbally reprimanded one female interrogator who, in early 2003, had smeared red dye from a marker on a detainee's shirt and told him it was blood.

In a yet-to-be-published book, former Army translator Erik Saar said he saw a female interrogator smear red dye on a Saudi man's face, telling him it was blood. Saar's account was first reported by the Associated Press last month. And Mamdouh Habib, an Australian man released from Guantanamo Bay last month, said he was strapped down while a woman told him she was "menstruating" on his face.

One lawyer, Marc Falkoff, said in an interview that when a Yemeni client told him a few weeks ago about an incident involving menstrual blood, "I almost didn't even write it down." He said: "It seemed crazy, like something out of a horror movie or a John Waters film. Now it doesn't seem ludicrous at all."

Some of the newly declassified accounts of detainees evoke scenes from a rock music video. German detainee Murat Kurnaz told his lawyer that three women in lacy bras and panties strutted into the interrogation room where he was sitting in chains. They cooed about how attractive he was and suggested "they could have some fun," he said.

When Kurnaz averted his eyes, he said, one woman sat on his lap, another rubbed her breasts against his back and massaged his chest and a third squatted near his crotch. He head-butted the woman behind him, he said, knocking her off him. All three ran out and a team of soldiers stormed in and beat him, he said.

'Break them down'
Detainee lawyers likened the tactics to Nazis shaving the beards of orthodox Jews or artists dunking a crucifix in urine to shock Christians. "They're exploiting religious beliefs to break them down, to destroy them," said Michael Ratner of the Center for Constitutional Rights, which represents several dozen detainees. "What they're doing, it reminds me of a pornographic Web site -- it's like the fantasy of all these S&M clubs."

Falkoff said some of his clients have also been threatened with rape by male interrogators.

One soldier told another detainee, Muktar Warafi, that he had to start telling the truth or he would be raped, according to Falkoff's notes of the interview. When he left the room, another person immediately came into the room and told Warafi: "That interrogator is new and doesn't know the rules. We apologize on his behalf. Now let's talk."

Yasein Esmail, a Yemeni detainee, said he had been interrogated more than 100 times since being "kidnapped" in a marketplace in Kabul, Afghanistan, and brought to Guantanamo Bay. He recounted to his lawyer that when he refused to talk in one interview, a female soldier entered wearing a tight T-shirt.

"Why aren't you married?" she reportedly asked Esmail. "You are a young man and have needs. What do you like?"

Esmail said "she bent down with her breasts on the table and her legs almost touching" him. "Are you going to talk," she asked, "or are we going to do this for six hours?"

Chief Henry
02-10-2005, 07:02 AM
Some how I'm thinking Dense is turning green with envy. These US Female soldiers are able to do what she's been wanting to do for along time.
Just enlist baby.......

Radar Chief
02-10-2005, 07:48 AM
What’sa mater? Couldn’t make this topic (http://67.18.68.69/BB/showthread.php?t=109428) all about you, so ya had to start another one just like it? :shrug:

alnorth
02-10-2005, 07:55 AM
Honestly, I have no problem with this, assuming these girls took it upon themselves to try these tactics to get results. If they were ordered to do this, then... well I'd say the female soldiers would have a right to refuse or sue.

However, when it comes to the rights of the detainees, your trying to tell me that sleep deprivation, and all the other traditional "acceptable" methods of interrogation is ok, but this isnt? This is not torture, I have absolutely no problems with these tactics being used as it applies to any complaints the prisoners may have. The military is right, interrogators are never going to know beforehand what its going to take to get someone to talk, and they might have to be flexible and creative to come up with new unique methods of interrogation, assuming it doesnt cross the line into torture. This definitely isnt torture, and if we had some whackjob christian bomb an abortion clinic killing dozens of people, and we needed to interrogate him for some reason to get information that only he knows, if dropping a crucifix into urine is going to get him to talk, then in the interest of public safety I'll do it myself and apologize to God afterwards.

Cochise
02-10-2005, 07:58 AM
Where is the thread of outrage about the treatment of American POW's?

Something tells me they aren't getting lap dances, either.

Good for whoever thought of this, maybe those bare hand asswipers should have thought about being incarcerated before they enlisted as a fekking terrorist 4321

To hell with them. Lap dances are the least we can do :bang:

KCFalcon59
02-10-2005, 09:16 AM
Well women do a fine job killing families and destroying lives in America, why shouldn't we use them as instruments of warfare.

Iowanian
02-10-2005, 09:28 AM
These People Shot the Only American POW I'm aware of, and you're pissed because they're getting Lap dances?

Humiliation is only a good start on these terrorist goat fornicators.

I don't see the problem, other than you being jealous....I mean Gellatinous..

Duck Dog
02-10-2005, 10:26 AM
Like you've never stuck your titties in the face of a dirty sand worshiper. :rolleyes:

Difference is; they are trying to exract vital information for security reasons. You just do it for fun.

Who's the whore now?

BIG_DADDY
02-10-2005, 10:39 AM
This story is old as hell, where the **** have you been teroristme? You need to pull yourself away from the Iranian sausage wagon long enough to keep yourself current. No point in you getting all jealous though girl, all you have to do is just join the military and you can have all the ME cock you can handle.

Iowanian
02-10-2005, 10:53 AM
Whats funny.........Its not like Germany could say anything, If Dense lived there instead, she'd be on a govt mattress working off that check, for some german men with poor eyesight and a flubber fetish.

HC_Chief
02-10-2005, 11:11 AM
You are a moron.

wazu
02-10-2005, 10:10 PM
The women rubbed their bodies against the men, wore skimpy clothes in front of them, made sexually explicit remarks and touched them provocatively, at least eight detainees said in documents or through their attorneys.

Oh, the horror! These women probably didn't wear veils either! And most of them probably haven't even had their genitalia mutilated by fundamentalist priests! Allah save us!

I will agree with one thing -- these men don't deserve this kind of treatment.

memyselfI
02-11-2005, 06:58 AM
I wonder if the recruiters heading to junior high and high schools tell the girls of the military opportunities and careers they too can have if they have 'initiative and are 'creative.'

http://www.ofb.net/~epstein/sl/0401/20040101b-closeup.jpg

alanm
02-11-2005, 07:23 AM
Like you've never stuck your titties in the face of a dirty sand worshiper. :rolleyes:

Difference is; they are trying to exract vital information for security reasons. You just do it for fun.

Who's the whore now?
Now that's cold blooded. ROFL

Saulbadguy
02-11-2005, 07:25 AM
The boys must be getting tired of the food in the mess hall.

Radar Chief
02-11-2005, 07:37 AM
I wonder if the recruiters heading to junior high and high schools tell the girls of the military opportunities and careers they too can have if they have 'initiative and are 'creative.'

http://www.ofb.net/~epstein/sl/0401/20040101b-closeup.jpg

Link?

memyselfI
02-11-2005, 07:41 AM
Link?

Perhaps you've been MIA, but I discussed last month about how the military were present at my son's career day at his Jr. High.

Saulbadguy
02-11-2005, 07:42 AM
Perhaps you've been MIA, but I discussed last month about how the military were present at my son's career day at his Jr. High.
What grades is his jr high?

memyselfI
02-11-2005, 07:44 AM
What grades is his jr high?

7th and 8th.

12-15 years old.

Saulbadguy
02-11-2005, 07:47 AM
7th and 8th.

12-15 years old.
15? How does a 15 year old stay in JR high? Heh.

I don't think I ever saw the recruiters at my JR high, then again I can't remember. Either way, I don't think it matters. Its not like they can go out the next day and enlist.

memyselfI
02-11-2005, 07:50 AM
15? How does a 15 year old stay in JR high? Heh.

I don't think I ever saw the recruiters at my JR high, then again I can't remember. Either way, I don't think it matters. Its not like they can go out the next day and enlist.

I think it has to do with post-August 31st birthdays :hmmm:

And you are right, they can't 'enlist' but they can be recruited. :shake:

Saulbadguy
02-11-2005, 07:54 AM
I think it has to do with post-August 31st birthdays :hmmm:

And you are right, they can't 'enlist' but they can be recruited. :shake:
They can be recruited, but they can't sign anything that will contractually oblige them to serve in the military. It'd be like trying to sway them in to a college decision when they are 12 years old. I don't think the influence does much until its closer to the time when they might actually sign up, like later in High School.

Although, it does put that "idea" in their head.

Radar Chief
02-11-2005, 07:56 AM
Perhaps you've been MIA, but I discussed last month about how the military were present at my son's career day at his Jr. High.

You’re right, hadn’t read a thing about it, but it’s probably a good thing he occasionally has someone with common sense telling him about things like honor, courage and commitment.
Although, a 15 YO isn’t much to a recruiter, for at least 2 years anyway.

Donger
02-11-2005, 07:57 AM
Perhaps you've been MIA, but I discussed last month about how the military were present at my son's career day at his Jr. High.

And, of course, I still don't believe that. But I digress.

Even if they were there, so what? Your son will be required by law to register for the draft in a few years anyway.

Radar Chief
02-11-2005, 07:58 AM
They can be recruited, but they can't sign anything that will contractually oblige them to serve in the military. It'd be like trying to sway them in to a college decision when they are 12 years old. I don't think the influence does much until its closer to the time when they might actually sign up, like later in High School.

Although, it does put that "idea" in their head.

Right, they can’t even join on “Delayed Entry” until 17.

Radar Chief
02-11-2005, 08:01 AM
And, of course, I still don't believe that. But I digress.

Even if they were there, so what? Your son will be required by law to register for the draft in a few years anyway.

Oh, I remember seeing them on “Career Day”, but we also saw police officers, firemen, lawyers, doctors, accountants, etc….
Where’s the outrage, Denise, for the Ambulance Chaser Recruiters?

Saulbadguy
02-11-2005, 08:02 AM
You’re right, hadn’t read a thing about it, but it’s probably a good thing he occasionally has someone with common sense telling him about things like honor, courage and commitment.

I was never sold that. I just got told how I could get money for college, and how there are so many great jobs available. Maybe it was just the recruiter.

memyselfI
02-11-2005, 08:05 AM
Oh, I remember seeing them on “Career Day”, but we also saw police officers, firemen, lawyers, doctors, accountants, etc….
Where’s the outrage, Denise, for the Ambulance Chaser Recruiters?

Are they professional trained killers?

I guess I'll object to their being part of Career Day when I see proof of such.

memyselfI
02-11-2005, 08:06 AM
I was never sold that. I just got told how I could get money for college, and how there are so many great jobs available. Maybe it was just the recruiter.

Exactly.

My son said they did not mention the word 'war' or 'kill' in their presentation. It was like the elephant in the room.

Radar Chief
02-11-2005, 08:06 AM
I was never sold that. I just got told how I could get money for college, and how there are so many great jobs available. Maybe it was just the recruiter.

Ya probably just slept through that part. ;)

Radar Chief
02-11-2005, 08:08 AM
Are they professional trained killers?

I guess I'll object to their being part of Career Day when I see proof of such.

Do’n a pretty good job of killing any sense of personal responsibility. :shrug:

Saulbadguy
02-11-2005, 08:08 AM
Exactly.

My son said they did not mention the word 'war' or 'kill' in their presentation. It was like the elephant in the room.
Its over-glamourized (the jobs and all that), but you'd have to be a moron to not know that you may go to war, or may get killed.

Saulbadguy
02-11-2005, 08:10 AM
Are they professional trained killers?

I guess I'll object to their being part of Career Day when I see proof of such.
At our career days they didn't have any of that. They had all the branches of the military there, but they had local companies (Frito-Lay, Good Year, Heinz, etc), State and Local government offices, and then schools. No law firms represented themselves. No fireman, no police officers.

Donger
02-11-2005, 08:10 AM
Are they professional trained killers?

I guess I'll object to their being part of Career Day when I see proof of such.

Well, your son is required by law to register for the draft relatively soon. I wonder how that is going to make you feel; you know, your son registering to perhaps become one of those same "professional, trained killers."

Radar Chief
02-11-2005, 08:11 AM
Exactly.

My son said they did not mention the word 'war' or 'kill' in their presentation. It was like the elephant in the room.

There are over a thousand different jobs available in the military and only about a dozen of them are combat related.
Hell, where do you think I got my initial training and experience as a radar technician?

whoman69
02-11-2005, 08:20 AM
I guess the old method of allowing women to hang on with 30% of the push ups that a man could do was not working out. They had to find some other things that women could do in the military.

Iowanian
02-11-2005, 08:22 AM
Are they professional trained killers?

I guess I'll object to their being part of Career Day when I see proof of such.


If not for the Military, none of us would be guaranteed anything. They should be allowed to recruit at any event they wish, after all, Enlisting IS VOLUNTARY. Jobs include Computers, IT, GPS, Satellite, communications, GIS-Mapping, Public relations, water purification.............hell, the military has paid cartoonists.

As far as explaining what they do, how big of a moron does a kid have to be to NOT know what the military does, with all of those tricked out weapons, tanks, and nightly news streaming video of smart bombs, tank blasts, fire fights and body counts.

Ignorant Hag..........Just have him come out now, and they'll leave him alone.

Radar Chief
02-11-2005, 09:10 AM
I guess the old method of allowing women to hang on with 30% of the push ups that a man could do was not working out. They had to find some other things that women could do in the military.

Some of you women sure do sell yourselves short.
I’ve known female diesel mechanics, technicians and welders that could put a lot of the men I know with the same jobs to shame.

Saulbadguy
02-11-2005, 09:14 AM
Some of you women sure do sell yourselves short.
I’ve known female diesel mechanics, technicians and welders that could put a lot of the men I know with the same jobs to shame.
My dad runs a govt program, that used to hire female inmates to do jobs like that. He said they were good workers, if they worked alone. In my experiences, i've noticed that women don't work well "together" like men do. I apologize for generalizing, but I think men work much better "together" as a unit than women do. Thats not to say you could not have a woman or two in a military unit, but if it was made up of mostly females, thats when things get ugly. I worked at a daycare (my first job) for a few years, and it was all women. All they ever did was talk about each other behind one anothers backs, and eventually things would get heated. "Rowr...cat fight!"

Radar Chief
02-11-2005, 09:18 AM
My dad runs a govt program, that used to hire female inmates to do jobs like that. He said they were good workers, if they worked alone. In my experiences, i've noticed that women don't work well "together" like men do. I apologize for generalizing, but I think men work much better "together" as a unit than women do. Thats not to say you could not have a woman or two in a military unit, but if it was made up of mostly females, thats when things get ugly. I worked at a daycare (my first job) for a few years, and it was all women. All they ever did was talk about each other behind one anothers backs, and eventually things would get heated. "Rowr...cat fight!"

:LOL: Watch it, the Feminazi’s are gonna scratch your eyes out. ROFL

alanm
02-11-2005, 09:30 AM
Are they professional trained killers?

I guess I'll object to their being part of Career Day when I see proof of such.
Ahh... Drs who preform abortions.

Duck Dog
02-11-2005, 09:42 AM
Its over-glamourized (the jobs and all that), but you'd have to be a moron to not know that you may go to war, or may get killed.


Well, look who you're talking to.

Duck Dog
02-11-2005, 09:47 AM
I think it has to do with post-August 31st birthdays :hmmm:

And you are right, they can't 'enlist' but they can be recruited. :shake:


So much for the liberal open mindedness. Are you affraid your kids will go against your will and join the evil killers in our Armed Forces? I'm sure if you brain wash your little sex trophey's enough they'll be just fine.

And you used to say you supported our troops.

Now they are all professional killers. Or have you just finally realized that a lot of them want to be in combat zones?

MOhillbilly
02-11-2005, 09:47 AM
why so they can bake a more bitchin cake?

BIG_DADDY
02-11-2005, 10:35 AM
Perhaps it would be better if they acted like your freedom fighters and beat the **** out their women daily for being caught without the ****ing veils on.

Duck Dog
02-11-2005, 10:59 AM
I don't know why this surprises anyone. Her hatred for the US Armed Forces is seeping through more and more every day.

I wonder if she and her little spawns of satan practice spitting on them too?

Saggysack
02-11-2005, 11:46 AM
Perhaps it would be better if they acted like your freedom fighters and beat the **** out their women daily for being caught without the ****ing veils on.


ROFL :clap:

BIG_DADDY
02-11-2005, 02:44 PM
I don't know why this surprises anyone. Her hatred for the US Armed Forces is seeping through more and more every day.

I wonder if she and her little spawns of satan practice spitting on them too?

What else would you expect from that American hating, white male bashing Iranian Sausage Wrap?

KCWolfman
02-12-2005, 03:14 PM
Exactly.

My son said they did not mention the word 'war' or 'kill' in their presentation. It was like the elephant in the room.
Perhaps because the ROTC doesn't go to war or kill? Just an educated guess on my behalf.

Did the FFA give a presentation without saying how many people are killed in the Ukraine due to poor farm equipment? Because that is about how relative yours and your son's viewpoint on the war in Iraq vs. ROTC in high school seems to be.

Inspector
02-15-2005, 08:31 PM
Man, I thought prisoners of war getting their heads sawed off was bad, but now THIS!!

The americans that were killed were probably relieved that they didn't have to endure titties in their face. Our military needs to take a few lessons from the terrorists when it comes to handling prisoners properly.

Just the thought of this outrageous behavior makes me want to get my head cut off.

Can you imagine how awful it would be to have some female prison guard do this? Especially knowing that the good guards avoid this kind of torture and just behead the prisoner.