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Soupnazi
02-10-2005, 01:46 PM
Congressman: Democrat Leadership Threatening 'Retribution' for Dems Who Cooperate with White House
by Allan H. Ryskind
Posted Feb 10, 2005

Rep. Paul Ryan (R.-Wis.) was asked at a CATO conference in Washington yesterday whether he had persuaded any Democrats to back his plan to rescue Social Security from its financial troubles. Under his legislation (HR 4851), no new taxes would be needed to pay for "transition costs," participation in the new system would be voluntary and individuals would be allowed to divert a portion of their payroll tax into a mutual fund.

A questioner from the audience, stressing his own Democratic credentials, said he believed Ryan's plan should attract members of his own party and wondered whether the Wisconsin lawmaker had secured any Democratic sponsors. Ryan said he had been working with friends on the "other side of the aisle" who were favorable toward his solution, but he faced an enormous problem: intense pressure on his colleagues from the minority leadership.

"We were in planning stages [with friendly Democrats]," said Ryan. But each essentially told him: "I like what you're doing. I like this bill. I think it's the right way to go. But my party leadership will break my back. The retribution that they are promising us is as great as I have ever seen. We can't do it."

Ryan said he believed the only thing that can assure passage is an outpouring from America's grassroots.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=6564

KCTitus
02-10-2005, 02:19 PM
This is really not suprising, is it?

Amnorix
02-10-2005, 02:43 PM
Both parties no longer tolerate dissent on the hill, effectively. IMHO this isn't good for us, the sad helpless voters, but that seems to be the way it is.

Note, for example, that the Republican chairman of the House Ethics committee is (or was) in jeopardy of being bounced because every agrees he has done a good and fair job. Unfortunately, he hasn't been biased enough, so....

Bearcat2005
02-10-2005, 03:54 PM
If that isn't politics before the good of the people, then I do not know what is. The democrat party needs to find some positions instead of having the platform of what ever Bush is for we are against.
Also wasn't just a few years ago that Harry Reid said that he was for partial privitization of Social Security, Clinton said it was an immediate problem as well, and now most dems won't even say it is a problem. The truth is it worked in Chile, it worked in Galveston County, Texas, and something must be done now. The longer we wait the more the government will have to pay later on.

RINGLEADER
02-10-2005, 06:13 PM
:doh!:

You need to make your thread titles more inflammatory in the future SN...

Rausch
02-10-2005, 09:49 PM
Both parties no longer tolerate dissent on the hill, effectively. IMHO this isn't good for us, the sad helpless voters, but that seems to be the way it is..

I think it's great. The only way a 3rd party or independant will get their foot in the door is through the big 2's mistakes and blind loyalty...

Soupnazi
02-10-2005, 10:45 PM
:doh!:

You need to make your thread titles more inflammatory in the future SN...

Dag nabbit! It would seem I need more practice.

Lefty_the_Right
02-10-2005, 10:52 PM
I remember something about Arlen Specter being given a really hard time about confirming judges?

But I'm there are some conservatives here that can fill us in on the details of that story without looking like hypocrites on this one.

At least one, right?

Mr. Kotter
02-10-2005, 11:00 PM
I remember something about Arlen Specter being given a really hard time about confirming judges?

But I'm there are some conservatives here that can fill us in on the details of that story without looking like hypocrites on this one.

At least one, right?

I condemned that; but this is even MORE egregious, because it involves legislation....not a simple judgeship.

jAZ
02-11-2005, 03:10 PM
I condemned that; but this is even MORE egregious, because it involves legislation....not a simple judgeship.
More egregious than this???

http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/press-948.html

Dec 5, 2003 -- Associated Press: Justice Department to Review Possible Medicare-Vote Bribes

By the Associated Press

The Justice Department said Thursday it would review complaints from political watchdog groups that Republican House leaders tried to bribe Rep. Nick Smith (R., Mich.) to vote for a Medicare bill.

Rep. Smith voted against the bill despite what he described as threats against his son, Brad Smith, who is running for the House seat his father is vacating next

Rep. Smith said his own party's leaders offered money for his son's campaign if he voted for the bill and that they threatened to support other GOP candidates for the seat if the congressman voted against the legislation.

"Bribes and special deals were offered to convince members to vote yes," Rep. Smith wrote in a Nov. 23 newspaper column.

Mark Glaze of the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center said if the allegations are true, House members violated a federal law against bribing public officials.

The law allows people to verbally persuade lawmakers, Mr. Glaze said, but doesn't allow them to offer something of value to change a vote. His group filed a complaint Wednesday, as did a separate group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics, which has Democratic ties.

Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo said the complaints were received and will be reviewed, which is normal procedure.

At a news conference Thursday, Acting Deputy Attorney General James Comey said that he wasn't familiar with the Smith allegation but that "obviously whenever we get a request to investigate, we read it carefully and make an evaluation" on whether to launch an investigation.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert's office has denied threats were made.

(c) The Associated Press

Taco John
02-11-2005, 07:03 PM
The Dems strategy is to become an opposition party. I think it's great. Gridlock in the legislature usually means Government isn't screwing too much stuff up.

RINGLEADER
02-13-2005, 01:12 PM
The Dems strategy is to become an opposition party. I think it's great. Gridlock in the legislature usually means Government isn't screwing too much stuff up.


I concur, but it would be nice if one of the two sides could really be fiscally conservative. Howard Dean told me yesterday that the Dems would be fiscally conservative but they're already comparing the proposed spending cuts to terrorists killing 3,000 people so go figure...