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Frazod
02-14-2005, 10:02 PM
Oh, the irony. ROFL

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/10900813.htm
Keyes' Daughter Calls Self 'Liberal Queer'

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TOM STUCKEY
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ANNAPOLIS, Md. - The daughter of conservative Republican Alan Keyes referred to herself Monday as a "liberal queer" and urged support for gay and lesbian young people who have been deserted by their families.
Maya Marcel-Keyes, 19, addressed a rally sponsored by the gay-rights group Equality Maryland, saying she was motivated to speak out because of her rocky relationship with her parents and the recent death of a friend who had fallen ill after being thrown out of the house by his family.

Marcel-Keyes told several hundred supporters that her sexuality had created a rift in her relationship with her parents.

"Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well," she said. "That was making my life a little bit turbulent."

Later, Marcel-Keyes told CNN her parents "were not too pleased" when they learned she was a lesbian, but she said she loves them "very much, and they love me. They can't support my activities."

Her father, the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate in Illinois last year, created a stir in August when he said during an interview that homosexuality was "selfish hedonism" and that Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter was a sinner.

In a statement issued Monday night, Keyes said: "My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities."

Marcel-Keyes said she received an outpouring of support when disclosing her sexual orientation, but her friend did not.

"Like me, he grew up queer in a conservative household," she said. But where she got hundreds of e-mails, offers of a place to stay and a college scholarship, "he'd been out there two years and had gotten nothing."

"And the worst part is, he isn't the only one," Marcel-Keyes said.

|Zach|
02-14-2005, 10:15 PM
Interesting

Frazod
02-14-2005, 10:25 PM
Interesting

Oh yeah.

Living in Illinois, I have a special affinity for despising this carpet-bagging prick. He's such an arrogant scumbag that he didn't even call Obama and congratulate him after the election.

Anything that causes him distress most definitely works for me. :D

Taco John
02-14-2005, 10:57 PM
This is such beautiful irony... It's great when real life smacks ideological pricks upside their dumb heads.

Now if only Santorum were to somehow get busted mid-blowjob in full drag...

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 05:18 AM
This is such beautiful irony... It's great when real life smacks ideological pricks upside their dumb heads.

Now if only Santorum were to somehow get busted mid-blowjob in full drag...
I don't understand this mentality at all. I am pretty conservative, probably an 8 to an 8.5 on a 10 scale. Yet I have no problem accepting the fact that my sister is a homosexual. I have helped my sister financially and emotionally on several occasions. We still are very close after 36 years and talk to one another constantly.

We don't see eye to eye on politics, but that hardly makes either of us "wrong" on a particular topic.

For the record, I feel the same for Keyes. I don't understand how his daughter's actions affect his career at all. His statements last year were appalling. And obviously, the statements made now are much more logical.


So what is bad for liberals, if we find out that Chelsea Clinton wants to marry a straight male?

Amnorix
02-15-2005, 06:04 AM
I don't understand this mentality at all. I am pretty conservative, probably an 8 to an 8.5 on a 10 scale. Yet I have no problem accepting the fact that my sister is a homosexual. I have helped my sister financially and emotionally on several occasions. We still are very close after 36 years and talk to one another constantly.

We don't see eye to eye on politics, but that hardly makes either of us "wrong" on a particular topic.

For the record, I feel the same for Keyes. I don't understand how his daughter's actions affect his career at all. His statements last year were appalling. And obviously, the statements made now are much more logical.


So what is bad for liberals, if we find out that Chelsea Clinton wants to marry a straight male?

It appears you're handling it much better than Keyes, which is to your credit. Quite obviously, it's causing Keyes much distress, and given how conservative he is, that causes some liberals to chuckle happily.

Although I find it somewhat ironic in an amusing way, I do agree it will have little or no impact on his career. Dick Cheney is President, after all, and his daughter is also homosexual.

err....VICE President. He's VICE President. Gotta try to keep that in mind... :LOL:

Baby Lee
02-15-2005, 06:23 AM
:) - It's the anti-Keatons.

Though I have to say, the age of 19 makes me a little suspicious. Seen too many preachers daughters go through their patented slut phase to blithely accept that Keye's daughter is an immutable Sapphist.

the Talking Can
02-15-2005, 06:36 AM
it's been known for a long time, she just hadn't gone public...but yes, Keynes is just another in a long line of social conservative hypocrites....eager to condemn and slander others

stevieray
02-15-2005, 06:43 AM
err....VICE President. He's VICE President. Gotta try to keep that in mind... :LOL:

hahahahahahahaha.... :rolleyes:

stevieray
02-15-2005, 06:57 AM
....eager to condemn and slander others

That's all the left has done for the last four years...This is a HUMAN fault. Not a political one.

NewChief
02-15-2005, 06:57 AM
it's been known for a long time, she just hadn't gone public...but yes, Keynes is just another in a long line of social conservative hypocrites....eager to condemn and slander others

Speaking of...the Gannon story just keeps spinning worse and worse for him. Now it appears he was a gay male escort. I realize that Republicans are being disingenuous on their dislike of homosexuality these days, but surely they won't stand up for prostitution?

memyselfI
02-15-2005, 07:05 AM
So, HE has raised a 'selfish hedonist'...

lovely. ROFL

Baby Lee
02-15-2005, 07:10 AM
Speaking of...the Gannon story just keeps spinning worse and worse for him. Now it appears he was a gay male escort. I realize that Republicans are being disingenuous on their dislike of homosexuality these days, but surely they won't stand up for prostitution?
So, HE has raised a 'selfish hedonist'...

lovely. ROFL
The more I read things like this, the more I'm convinced that, while social conservatives might talk about values and standards [which is interpreted as intolerance], guys like you two harbor the real disgust with alternative lifestyles.

NewChief
02-15-2005, 07:15 AM
The more I read things like this, the more I'm convinced that, while social conservatives might talk about values and standards [which is interpreted as intolerance], guys like you two harbor the real disgust with alternative lifestyles.

Please oh enlightened one. Tell me how my post indicated any sort of disgust with alternative lifestyles? I'm amused by irony, and that's about it. If you don't think it's ironic that a guy with a conservative news agency was once a gay male escort, I'm sorry. I do. I found it equally ironic and funny when Rosie O'Donnell's bodyguard was arrested for carrying a gun.

Baby Lee
02-15-2005, 07:32 AM
Please oh enlightened one. Tell me how my post indicated any sort of disgust with alternative lifestyles? I'm amused by irony, and that's about it. If you don't think it's ironic that a guy with a conservative news agency was once a gay male escort, I'm sorry. I do. I found it equally ironic and funny when Rosie O'Donnell's bodyguard was arrested for carrying a gun.
It may not apply to you, I don't know. But I can't help getting the impression, when SO many get SO MUCH enjoyment out of the idea of people with moral opposition to homosexual activity being embarassed by homosexual activity by either people close to them or themselves, that there is a belief, at it's base, that there is something inherently embarassing about homosexual activity.
I probably should have included Taco's giggle at the thought of Santorum getting "busted mid-blowjob in full drag." I don't see how you can find humor in that, unless you consider men giving men blow jobs or wearing drag disgusting and embarassing.

Cochise
02-15-2005, 07:35 AM
Is she hot?

KCTitus
02-15-2005, 07:39 AM
It may not apply to you, I don't know. But I can't help getting the impression, when SO many get SO MUCH enjoyment out of the idea of people with moral opposition to homosexual activity being embarassed by homosexual activity by either people close to them or themselves, that there is a belief, at it's base, that there is something inherently embarassing about homosexual activity.
I probably should have included Taco's giggle at the thought of Santorum getting "busted mid-blowjob in full drag." I don't see how you can find humor in that, unless you consider men giving men blow jobs or wearing drag disgusting and embarassing.

Thank you for explaining exactly my sentiments...

Mr. Kotter
02-15-2005, 07:41 AM
So, HE has raised a 'selfish hedonist'...

lovely. ROFL

I eagerly awaiting the streaming internet video of her coming out parties.

Baby Lee
02-15-2005, 07:48 AM
Thank you for explaining exactly my sentiments...
I've been searching my mind for a converse analog, and the only thing that come to mind is that, in the midst of the staunchly liberal Baldwin brothers, the one from Bio-Dome is now a loud and proud, skateboarding and ministering, Jesus freak. And while I find it an interesting dynamic, I'm not wetting myself and cackling at how embarassing it must be for Alec et al.

Likewise, as I alluded to earlier, this is a case of the anti-Keatons. But Family Ties wasn't funny because Alex was an embarassment.

Baby Lee
02-15-2005, 07:51 AM
KC's "curse" ends 2/5/06 in MoTown, baby!

How do you know the exact date that KC enters menopause?

ROFL ROFL

KCTitus
02-15-2005, 07:55 AM
I've been searching my mind for a converse analog, and the only thing that come to mind is that, in the midst of the staunchly liberal Baldwin brothers, the one from Bio-Dome is now a loud and proud, skateboarding and ministering, Jesus freak. And while I find it an interesting dynamic, I'm not wetting myself and cackling at how embarassing it must be for Alec et al.

Likewise, as I alluded to earlier, this is a case of the anti-Keatons. But Family Ties wasn't funny because Alex was an embarassment.

Another one would be Jane Fonda's conversion to Christianity. I do remember some scuttlebut around that and Ted Turner's 'dismay' over that fact.

Cochise
02-15-2005, 07:56 AM
I've been searching my mind for a converse analog, and the only thing that come to mind is that, in the midst of the staunchly liberal Baldwin brothers, the one from Bio-Dome is now a loud and proud, skateboarding and ministering, Jesus freak. And while I find it an interesting dynamic, I'm not wetting myself and cackling at how embarassing it must be for Alec et al.

Likewise, as I alluded to earlier, this is a case of the anti-Keatons. But Family Ties wasn't funny because Alex was an embarassment.

Yeah, exactly. They were the same way with Cheney's daughter. You point about "is it embarassing for a liberal's child to get married in a heterosexual relationship" is well taken. I couldn't care less if Chelsea Clinton were a lesbo. Who cares about this guy who, as far as I know, is not even in politics anymore?

I thought the article was pretty laughable anyway. It seems clear to me that her parents love and support her but don't condone her lifestyle... well, I'm sure everyone's parents would have said that at some point in their lives about some aspect of their kids' lives. And it paraphrases Keyes as calling Cheney's daughter a 'sinner' when every Christian I know would say that yeah, she's one, but so is everyone else.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:42 AM
I probably should have included Taco's giggle at the thought of Santorum getting "busted mid-blowjob in full drag." I don't see how you can find humor in that, unless you consider men giving men blow jobs or wearing drag disgusting and embarassing.


I do. I think it's quite disgusting, and indeed, embarassing, but then, I'm a straight male from Idaho who simply can't relate to the lifestyle. I just don't care if that's the lifestyle someone chooses, because it doesn't affect me. To each their own. It's the American way.

I'm very friendly to gay people. I think that they are some of the nicest people I ever met. I find it hilarious that they like to play hide the hotdog, but figure what they do in their own personal time is their business and doesn't affect me in the least. I think they should have the right to the same civil unions that straight people do. I don't care if it's called marraige or gay union. What you call it doesn't matter.

As far as Santorum goes, I like to believe there is a special place in hell for jackasses like Santorum.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 08:13 PM
It appears you're handling it much better than Keyes, which is to your credit. Quite obviously, it's causing Keyes much distress, and given how conservative he is, that causes some liberals to chuckle happily.

Although I find it somewhat ironic in an amusing way, I do agree it will have little or no impact on his career. Dick Cheney is President, after all, and his daughter is also homosexual.

err....VICE President. He's VICE President. Gotta try to keep that in mind... :LOL:
I guess if you find happiness in the fact that a family is being destroyed and being done so in a public spotlight, more power to you. The people that enjoy such sadism also light in front of the TV for Survivor to see who breaks down and cries next.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 08:14 PM
it's been known for a long time, she just hadn't gone public...but yes, Keynes is just another in a long line of social conservative hypocrites....eager to condemn and slander others
He condemns homosexuality, he is not a homosexual that I know of. I don't see how he can be considered a hypocrite in this particular instance.

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 08:21 PM
He condemns homosexuality, he is not a homosexual that I know of. I don't see how he can be considered a hypocrite in this particular instance.
Someone that condems something but can't keep it out of their own homes? I can see it.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 08:25 PM
Someone that condems something but can't keep it out of their own homes? I can see it.
So are your mom and dad hypocrites because you drank before you were 21?

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 08:30 PM
So are your mom and dad hypocrites because you drank before you were 21?
They are not part of an organization that makes a big deal out of being against underage drinking. They do not make public statements against underage drinking. If my mom was in MADD. Then I would say yes...

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 08:33 PM
After reading up on him a little more as an individual it seems that one of his big talking points is about family and how the decay of family is the cause of many problems. I didn't paraphrase that well but its a general theme from reading.

It seems to be homosexuality goes against his idea of "familly values" yet there is one in his family.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 08:35 PM
They are not part of an organization that makes a big deal out of being against underage drinking. They do not make public statements against underage drinking. If my mom was in MADD. Then I would say yes...
Well, first of all Keyes is not part of any anti-homosexual group. So I don't see the correlation.

Secondly, I disagree. If Keyes kept his daughter locked up and prevented her from seeing women on a social level, the same people crying hypocrite today would be crying oppressionism.

Keyes may have some family and environment issues that prevented him from being a better father, that seems to be obvious. But the fact that his own daughter made her own decisions in her life doesn't seem to me that he is a hypocrite at all.

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 08:38 PM
Well, first of all Keyes is not part of any anti-homosexual group. So I don't see the correlation.

Secondly, I disagree. If Keyes kept his daughter locked up and prevented her from seeing women on a social level, the same people crying hypocrite today would be crying oppressionism.

Keyes may have some family and environment issues that prevented him from being a better father, that seems to be obvious. But the fact that his own daughter made her own decisions in her life doesn't seem to me that he is a hypocrite at all.
So the parents can have direct effect on the Zoloft thread and get off scott free in this thread?

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 08:40 PM
I agree he isn't part of an anti homosexuality group. Sometimes I see the Republican party that way but its way to harsh of a statement to blanket with them fairly. I do believe he himself is anti homosexuality and has presented himself that way.

“The gay agenda is the most serious threat to America’s families today.”
Source: Time, 6/29/98, p. 20, “The Drawing Board” Jun 29, 1998

http://www.issues2000.org/Alan_Keyes.htm

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 08:46 PM
So the parents can have direct effect on the Zoloft thread and get off scott free in this thread?
Not at all, in fact I said openly that he has obviously failed in his home environment.

Now if he was supporting a gay agenda for his daughter, I see the call of hypocrisy. I just don't see anything hypocritical about an anti-gay having a gay daughter - Ironic, yes. Hypocritical, not at all.

That said, I see nothing funny about a family distraught amongst one another and vultures swooping in to watch either?

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 08:48 PM
That said, I see nothing funny about a family distraught amongst one another and vultures swooping in to watch either?
Ya I don't find it funny either. I am not trying to go down that road.

I guess at the end of the day what I see is a guy that has had a history of promoting family values and point to homosexuality as something that is direct conflict with the values he speaks of. Yet his own family has a homosexual.

stevieray
02-15-2005, 08:48 PM
It seems to be homosexuality goes against his idea of "familly values" yet there is one in his family.

Apply this logic to parents of people who murder.

He might have failed in certain ways as a father, but he isn't responsible for her or her actions when she is an adult. Like airing difficulties of their family.

today, on Jerry Springer

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 08:50 PM
Its weird, my index shows stevie as having the last post on this thread but when I open the thread its me having the most recent post.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 08:59 PM
Ya I don't find it funny either. I am not trying to go down that road.

I guess at the end of the day what I see is a guy that has had a history of promoting family values and point to homosexuality as something that is direct conflict with the values he speaks of. Yet his own family has a homosexual.
I agree, it is in direct conflict. But it is a portion of his tangibles that he has no control over. Honestly, I believe Keyes failed as a parent. I may be wrong, I don't mind, but that is what I truly believe. I just don't think that makes him a hypocrite at all.

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 09:01 PM
I agree, it is in direct conflict. But it is a portion of his tangibles that he has no control over. Honestly, I believe Keyes failed as a parent. I may be wrong, I don't mind, but that is what I truly believe. I just don't think that makes him a hypocrite at all.
If more people talked like we just did in the past 10 or so posts this place wouldn't be such a ****ing joke full of worthless dribble.

Chiefnj
02-15-2005, 09:04 PM
That said, I see nothing funny about a family distraught amongst one another and vultures swooping in to watch either?

You didn't find humor in Clinton's extramarital affair?

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:13 PM
You didn't find humor in Clinton's extramarital affair?
Touche'

Perhaps I should have been more clear. A woman and man have the right and expectations to leave one another during a failed relationship - they move on and nothing more is expected of either from society.

The same is not true of a father/mother and their child. I found no humor in the McCauley Caulkin issue. I find none in Gerard DePardieu's poor relationship with his son.

There is a huge difference between a husband making a poor decision and destroying his family and what occurred with the Keyes. Whether biological or mental or a combination thereof: Keyes daughter is not making selfish decisions to steal something from her family as Clinton did.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:14 PM
Well, first of all Keyes is not part of any anti-homosexual group. So I don't see the correlation.

Uh, yeah he is...

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:15 PM
Uh, yeah he is...
Really, which group is that?

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:17 PM
Really, which group is that?



Whatever church he attends.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:18 PM
Whatever church he attends.
What church is that?

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:22 PM
I'm guessing the Church of I Hate Gays.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:23 PM
I'm guessing the Church of I Hate Gays.
Obviously only the first two word speaks all you have to say intelligently on the subject on this entire thread.

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 09:24 PM
I'm guessing the Church of I Hate Gays.
Heh, they are doing their annual "Walk for the cure of homosexuality"

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:27 PM
Obviously only the first two word speaks all you have to say intelligently on the subject on this entire thread.



Two ahead of you. Not bad.

I don't know that Keyes is a hypocrite with regards to gays either... I do know that he's a self absorbed bigot. So that's something.

What was it that Christ said about those dirty gays again?

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:30 PM
Ah that's right...

...the least of my bretheren.

Real Christianity is dead to America. The pop-replacement produces christians like Keyes... The talky type who say pious things and act it out in front of people, but can't show an ounce of empathy or compassion for anybody outside of themselves.

|Zach|
02-15-2005, 09:31 PM
Two ahead of you. Not bad.

I don't know that Keyes is a hypocrite with regards to gays either... I do know that he's a self absorbed bigot. So that's something.

What was it that Christ said about those dirty gays again?
Please enlighten us Brother Hesakiah...what does the bible say about not givingforgiveness?

You know...its against it.

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KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:32 PM
Two ahead of you. Not bad.

I don't know that Keyes is a hypocrite with regards to gays either... I do know that he's a self absorbed bigot. So that's something.

What was it that Christ said about those dirty gays again?
Again, what church do you speak of? Obviously your knowledge on Theology and Gays is much more versed than the rest of us. Please enlighten us and keep us from wandering any longer. Tell us what church Keyes attends and what they say about the "gays".

I will tell you now that the church I attend says nothing against "gays" whatsoever. I guess people from Idaho have a different kind of religion than most of the country.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:34 PM
Ah that's right...

...the least of my bretheren.

Real Christianity is dead to America. The pop-replacement produces christians like Keyes... The talky type who say pious things and act it out in front of people, but can't show an ounce of empathy or compassion for anybody outside of themselves.
So let me get this straight:

If Keyes speaks against his daughter, he is unChristian

If he supports his daughter, he is a hypocrite.


Boy, you extremists cover your bases before the game even begins. You should be proud.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:34 PM
\ I guess people from Idaho have a different kind of religion than most of the country.


Indeed, they do.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:35 PM
So let me get this straight:

If Keyes speaks against his daughter, he is unChristian

If he supports his daughter, he is a hypocrite.

Boy, you extremists cover your bases before the game even begins. You should be proud.


ROFL You called someone else an extremist! ROFL

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:38 PM
ROFL You called someone else an extremist! ROFL
Sorry, would you have preferred liberal extremist?

And you conveniently dodged the point, didn't you? Either way, you have set yourself to dislike Keyes. Just admit this situation has nothing to do with Keyes whatsoever and that anything he did at this point would not change your mind. At least then you would be honest.

The only hypocrisy I have seen on this entire thread is your "compassion and empathy" bullsh*t while you have already set yourself against Keyes no matter which path he takes.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:39 PM
And you conveniently dodged the point, didn't you?



Not anymore than you dodged any of mine...

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:41 PM
Not anymore than you dodged any of mine...
Ahh, another "you started it" post. No wonder you demonize Keyes, you are still living the victim style and need those oppressors, don't you?

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:44 PM
You conveniently dodged the point, didn't you?

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:45 PM
http://www.emotioneric.com/takingcandyfromababy.jpg

stevieray
02-15-2005, 09:46 PM
Ahh, another "you started it" post. No wonder you demonize Keyes, you are still living the victim style and need those oppressors, don't you?

It's convienent to hold Christians to a "higher" standard when the primary goal is to bash, unlike the usual dismissal of it in other situations.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:46 PM
http://www.emotioneric.com/takingcandyfromababy.jpg
Nice, but you had better get that pic off your hard drive before they charge you. The defense barely worked for Pete Townsend.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:47 PM
It's convienent to hold Christians to a "higher" standard when the primary goal is to bash, unlike the usual dismissal of it in other situations.



I believe that Christ was the Son of God.

I also think that the stuff he said actually meant something.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:49 PM
It's convienent to hold Christians to a "higher" standard when the primary goal is to bash, unlike the usual dismissal of it in other situations.
It isn't just a higher standard, it is an impossible one.

On this thread I have seen gloating that a father and daughter may never get along, a father blamed for not forcing his daughter to not date women, a father blamed for his daughter's homosexuality, and a mysterious unnamed "church" that preaches we must hate those who practice homosexuality.

If the thread were reversed, the whiny liberals like TJ would be crying prejudiced and racist remarks out the bunghole. He has already proven that point multiple times.

stevieray
02-15-2005, 09:49 PM
I believe that Christ was the Son of God.

I also think that the stuff he said actually meant something.

We ALL fall short.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:50 PM
On this thread I have seen gloating that a father and daughter may never get along, a father blamed for not forcing his daughter to not date women, a father blamed for his daughter's homosexuality, and a mysterious unnamed "church" that preaches we must hate those who practice homosexuality.


Actually, you just invented most of this... What you have really seen on this thread are people who think that Alan Keyes should mind his own house before taking on the nation.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:51 PM
We ALL fall short.



Exactly.

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:53 PM
Actually, you just invented most of this... What you have really seen on this thread are people who think that Alan Keyes should mind his own house before taking on the nation.
Really, I can point out two posts from you and Duhnise immediately that state otherwise.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 09:53 PM
You conveniently dodged the point, didn't you?

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 09:57 PM
You conveniently dodged the point, didn't you?
What point have you made? That Keyes has condemned homosexual activity and raised a girl who turned out to be homosexual? Hurray for you, you are a regular genius to make such a neat little line by yourself.
Seriously if there is a point you have made that you believe I have not spoken regarding, please show me that I may no longer be remiss. If it is just the blather I have stated above, it is not a point at all.

Furthermore you have lied making up fictitious churches attended by Keyes stating they must hate gays. That is on line with some of the intelligent remarks made by people like Ernie Conwell and Duhnise, you must be proud.

stevieray
02-15-2005, 10:00 PM
Exactly.

You have a free "cast the first stone" pass with Keyes?

DanT
02-15-2005, 10:22 PM
Alan Keyes is a lifelong Roman Catholic.

God bless Alan Keyes and his family.

Here's an excerpt from a Chicago Sun-Times article about him and his faith:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/falsani/cst-nws-keyes22.html

Whether his mood is irascible or reflective, Keyes, a lifelong Roman Catholic, wears his faith on his sleeve as well as around his neck.

When asked to describe himself spiritually, Keyes is reasoned, sincerely thoughtful and significantly more reserved than that man behind the lectern on TV.

"Well, in the fullest sense, I describe myself as a Christian," he says. "I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, came amongst men in order to redeem us from original sin and to offer us a way to his father, which he offered us in his words and examples and exposed to us the truth: that God loves us as individuals and knows our weaknesses because Christ has experienced them.

"And therefore, with really infinite understanding and mercy, is ready to welcome us into his home if we are willing to turn around and accept his grace," he says.

How does he define what a Christian is?

"One of the essential characteristics of Christianity is that it is about faith. Christ often says, 'Your faith has saved you,' to people. And that means that your willingness to acknowledge in truth the authority of God and the mercy of God in the person of Jesus Christ, is the route to salvation," he says, without hesitation.

"We are transformed by our knowledge of Christ, and that's why there is going to be a manifestation in us of that change, which shows itself in the different way we start to relate to people."

Cradle Catholic

Born in a New York military hospital in 1950 while his father was serving in Korea, Keyes describes himself as an "Army brat." Along with his sister and three brothers, he was raised on military bases across the United States, and, for a time, in Italy.

His parents, Alison and Gerthina, both now deceased, were converts to Roman Catholicism.

Keyes says his first concept of what God is like is inextricably bound to Catholicism.

"My earliest idea that I remember was Jesus Christ, he was my idea of what God was like," he says. "When you grow up Catholic, I remember being encouraged to think of Jesus as your friend. Just a friend, like the friends you had on the playground, or in school. And I can remember that that was a part of my developing thought life when I was a child, having conversations with Jesus in my head, as if he were one of my playmates. . . . He was a child, just like me."

And now what does he think God is like?

"He's grown up," Keyes, who is married with three children, says, busting out in a belly laugh. "He's grown up. And I hope, I've grown up a bit. But I think that depth of it hasn't changed. We go through 'times.' We advance, we retreat, we struggle, we wrestle."

Keyes insists his faith has remained fairly constant throughout his life, though there were times when he says he felt more distant from his faith than he does today.

"I think the Bible is right [when] it says that you raise up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it," Keyes says, paraphrasing a passage from the 22nd chapter of the Biblical book of Proverbs. "That obviously implies -- doesn't it? -- a kind of gap. There's something in youth that somehow implies that people do depart from it a little bit. But if you raise them in the way they should go, then the roots take over again. And one returns."

When he was a doctoral student in the late 1970s at Harvard working on his dissertation about constitutional theory, Keyes says, he struggled a bit spiritually.

"When you're a graduate student, you go through your ups and downs and sometimes you hit really great lows. Some people, as a result of that, give up and they never reach their degree," he recalls. "At a moment of crisis for me -- I'll never forget -- I was feeling just that low, sort of thinking, 'I've been working at it and I'm never going to finish and it's just hopeless.'

"I called my mom, and that conversation, in which she really did nothing but listen to me and remind me that I'd gotten through different things in my life through faith -- sparked an experience I still remember," he says, his voice breaking with emotion. "And it transformed my sense of what my faith meant to me."

He received his Ph.D. in government from Harvard in 1979. He also earned his undergraduate degree from Harvard in 1972.

Keyes describes a mild crisis of faith that had grown alongside his intellectual pursuits.

"In American academics, it's difficult to be a person of faith. There's a certain kind of patronizing, a sense of, 'Oh, you'll grow out of it,' " he says.

"So you begin to push your faith into the background, and maybe not really want to show it and so forth and so on. You start to doubt whether or not you are being intellectually honest if you are relying on premises of faith."

It's a conundrum Keyes seems to have resolved with a vengeance.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/falsani/cst-nws-keyes22.html

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 10:24 PM
Alan Keyes is a lifelong Roman Catholic.

God bless Alan Keyes and his family.

Here's an excerpt from a Chicago Sun-Times article about him and his faith:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/falsani/cst-nws-keyes22.html

http://www.suntimes.com/output/falsani/cst-nws-keyes22.html
Well, being a Catholic myself, I can state with affirmation that the Catholic Church does not promote a message of hatred of anyone, even gays. Sorry, but TJ, you honestly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Taco John
02-15-2005, 10:32 PM
You have a free "cast the first stone" pass with Keyes?



The ones that he is constantly casting are handy enough to use...

KCWolfman
02-15-2005, 10:39 PM
The ones that he is constantly casting are handy enough to use...
"he started it"


Twice in the same thread. How redundant.

stevieray
02-15-2005, 10:39 PM
The ones that he is constantly casting are handy enough to use...


you're doing it again.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2005, 11:01 PM
Alan Keyes isn't a hypocrite, at least not on the gaybequeerpants issue, but he does deserve this.

Ultra Peanut
02-15-2005, 11:04 PM
“The gay agenda is the most serious threat to America’s families today.”
Source: Time, 6/29/98, p. 20, “The Drawing Board” Jun 29, 1998 Heh.

Sounds like the anti-gay agenda was the most serious threat to his family.

NewChief
02-16-2005, 05:42 AM
Not sure why I'm even wading back into this, but I think I've solidified my thoughts a little better.

1. There is the irony issue. Irony amuses/interests me. This is definitely ironic. Whether it's funny or not is a matter of taste and sensitivity. It is ironic.

2. Keyes is not a hypocrite in this matter. He may be a hypocrite in other matters, but for him to be a hypocrite in this matter he would have to be condemning homosexuality while simultaneously engaging in it or condoning it behind closed doors.

3. I think another reason that these sorts of stories titillate, outside of the irony, is the hope that they'll sway the other side. People think that now that Keyes has a gay daughter he'll see the "error" of his ways and realize that gays are people too. I'm not saying he doesn't already realize that, I'm saying that liberals probably see him as not realizing it.

4. Get off your high horses people. Good lord. I don't honestly believe that any of you are weeping tears for this "tragedy" visited upon the Keyes family. You're trying to use moralistic guilt trips to make people feel guilty for ogling this thread and incident. This is fairly mild compared to half the shit I see people laughing about and rejoicing over on this board. Stop trying to score points in an argument by pretending to be all torn up over what's happened to poor old Alan Keyes and his misguided daughter.

Braincase
02-16-2005, 06:15 AM
It has to be the old man's fault, to ever support her choice of lesbianism. It is a choice, right? :rolleyes:

Ultra Peanut
02-16-2005, 07:34 PM
It has to be the old man's fault, to ever support her choice of lesbianism. It is a choice, right? :rolleyes:Exactly. She was clearly steered onto that path by her upbringing.

KCWolfman
02-16-2005, 07:58 PM
It has to be the old man's fault, to ever support her choice of lesbianism. It is a choice, right? :rolleyes:
No, it is inherited. That gay gene was so easy to track down, it was like tracking a wounded skunk across a sandlot. :rolleyes:

Taco John
02-16-2005, 08:49 PM
So what made your sister gay, if not genetics?

SBK
02-16-2005, 09:22 PM
So what made your sister gay, if not genetics?

It's a choice. Just like you being a bronocos fan. Not like you were born with a "horseface" gene or something.

KCWolfman
02-16-2005, 09:57 PM
So what made your sister gay, if not genetics?
So you are saying preference is a genetic trait? The fact that I like steamed aspargus is genetic? The fact that my brother likes Dodge Trucks is genetic?

Or are you saying that tendencies to actions are genetic? Like pedophiles and kleptomaniacs? People are just gonna rape kids because that's the way they are born?


Neither are proven to be genetic in any way.


I would venture to say it was the fact that she was molested by a much older male in her life.

Ultra Peanut
02-16-2005, 10:19 PM
The fact that I like steamed aspargus is genetic?In a way...

KCWolfman
02-16-2005, 10:21 PM
In a way...
What way? What gene is the asparagus gene?

Ultra Peanut
02-17-2005, 02:34 AM
One of the badass red genes, I think.

Pants
02-17-2005, 03:11 AM
I don't think it's a conscious choice. Why would anybody stand there and decide, "yeah I wanna be a homo, it sure sounds good to me"?

Besides we have the catholics to blame for the persecution of homosexuals. Before the crusades nobody gave a shit if you were a homo in Europe. After the crusaders saw rampant homosexualism among the muslims they mercilessly slayed, they started associating it as a heretical tendency and brought the idea back home.