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Chiefnj
02-17-2005, 07:21 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050216/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/obscenity_appeal_3

Lzen
02-17-2005, 07:53 AM
Hmm, I don't have a problem with this. Sounds like the company was trying to send unwanted solicitations. And before people start screaming free speech, there are limitations. You can't yell fire in a movie theater without getting into trouble. Keep that adult material out of emails (unless they have consent) and out of the public square.

Cochise
02-17-2005, 07:57 AM
Hmm, I don't have a problem with this. Sounds like the company was trying to send unwanted solicitations. And before people start screaming free speech, there are limitations. You can't yell fire in a movie theater without getting into trouble. Keep that adult material out of emails (unless they have consent) and out of the public square.

In that case, good.

Chiefnj
02-17-2005, 08:03 AM
I don't think the case had anything to do with unwanted solicitations.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05022/446543.stm

Lzen
02-17-2005, 08:22 AM
I don't think the case had anything to do with unwanted solicitations.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05022/446543.stm

So you have no problem with distributions of "films of women being gang-raped, defecated on and having their throats slit"?


:shake: What's this country coming to?

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 08:28 AM
Bush admin NOT trying to stop porn:

While acknowledging the importance of the constitutional guarantee of free speech, Gonzales said selling or distributing obscene materials does not fall within First Amendment protections.

Prosecutors charged Zacari and Romano and their company with distributing videos to Pittsburgh through the mail and over the Internet. Mary Beth Buchanan, the U.S. attorney in Pittsburgh, has said the case was not about banning all sexually explicit materials, just reining in obscenity. Extreme Associates' productions depict rape and murder, Buchanan said.

Just trying to enforce the laws as they already are on the books. Dude, I don't know, rape and murder, prolly pretty damn obscene...and there are laws against that...

mlyonsd
02-17-2005, 08:30 AM
So you have no problem with distributions of "films of women being gang-raped, defecated on and having their throats slit"?


:shake: What's this country coming to?

I knew someday that the videos from the Democratic National Convention parties would leak out. They always do.

SBK
02-17-2005, 08:37 AM
I knew someday that the videos from the Democratic National Convention parties would leak out. They always do.

ROFL

Cochise
02-17-2005, 08:39 AM
BUSH ADMIN EATS TEH BEBBIES!!1ONEONE

StcChief
02-17-2005, 10:05 AM
Snuff films yes.

Just enforce the existing laws.

Brock
02-17-2005, 10:15 AM
There are plenty of R rated movies that depict rape and murder. Gonzalez needs to step off.

Braincase
02-17-2005, 11:43 AM
No more Dirty Harry movies.

Lzen
02-17-2005, 11:55 AM
No more Dirty Harry movies.

Actually now that I think about it, the Death Wish movies had a lot of that, too.

whoman69
02-17-2005, 11:57 AM
There are plenty of R rated movies that depict rape and murder. Gonzalez needs to step off.
But if they put in a little sex then it becomes an NC17. Its nearly impossible for a film to be based NC17 based on violence.

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 12:13 PM
There are plenty of R rated movies that depict rape and murder. Gonzalez needs to step off.

Dude, a depiction that doesn't show an actual rape is one thing. These things show actual rape, even if it is staged. Obscene, and not like Dirty Harry movies...

Chiefnj
02-17-2005, 12:27 PM
Dude, a depiction that doesn't show an actual rape is one thing. These things show actual rape, even if it is staged. Obscene, and not like Dirty Harry movies...

So you think porn movies in general are okay and movies like Death Wish that depict rapes and murder are okay, but if you combine the two and show actual penetration in a Death Wish movie then it is obscene??

Brock
02-17-2005, 12:51 PM
Dude, a depiction that doesn't show an actual rape is one thing. These things show actual rape, even if it is staged. Obscene, and not like Dirty Harry movies...

If it is staged, then it is not actual rape.

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 12:53 PM
....huh?

No. I'm saying showing a rape scene in DW or Dirty Harry, it lasts about 30 gut-wrenching seconds. These are movies that depict the whole rape, penetration and all, and yeah, it's worse. There is no story, it does not help tell a story, it's just a freakin' rape. That is beyond the pail. Sorry, I have a line and this crosses it.

Don't get me wrong, I HATE rape scenes in movies, and I think they can get a bit graphic, but nothing like these types of movies. JMO...

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 12:55 PM
If it is staged, then it is not actual rape.

Yeah, I know. Just like the fake child porn isn't really child porn since it's not actual kids. If you feel comfy with that, rock on with yer bad self...

Brock
02-17-2005, 12:57 PM
Yeah, I know. Just like the fake child porn isn't really child porn since it's not actual kids. If you feel comfy with that, rock on with yer bad self...

Wow, it didn't take you long to leap off of the Cliffs of Logic.

Chiefnj
02-17-2005, 01:01 PM
....huh?

No. I'm saying showing a rape scene in DW or Dirty Harry, it lasts about 30 gut-wrenching seconds. These are movies that depict the whole rape, penetration and all, and yeah, it's worse. There is no story, it does not help tell a story, it's just a freakin' rape. That is beyond the pail. Sorry, I have a line and this crosses it.

Don't get me wrong, I HATE rape scenes in movies, and I think they can get a bit graphic, but nothing like these types of movies. JMO...

So, it's the duration of the rape scene that makes it obscene and whether there is a "story" about the rape?

When you say "nothing like these types of movies" are you speaking from personal experience. I've never viewed one, nor do I have the desire to ever see one.

Lzen
02-17-2005, 02:18 PM
So, it's the duration of the rape scene that makes it obscene and whether there is a "story" about the rape?

When you say "nothing like these types of movies" are you speaking from personal experience. I've never viewed one, nor do I have the desire to ever see one.

You never saw 8mm?

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 02:23 PM
Wow, it didn't take you long to leap off of the Cliffs of Logic.

:spock: Perhaps I'm a little slow, but how is it not logical to compare "staged" kiddie porn to "staged" rape porn? Since it's all staged, I guess it's all-righty then...

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 02:25 PM
So, it's the duration of the rape scene that makes it obscene and whether there is a "story" about the rape?

When you say "nothing like these types of movies" are you speaking from personal experience. I've never viewed one, nor do I have the desire to ever see one.

OK, I'm not a cop, nor have I seen such movies. I guess I'm ASSUMING
that if you make a porn showing rape scenes, this will be a graphic, elongated scene that serves no purpose other than to get people off who like that kind of thing. A movie that has a depiction of a rape in it certainly is not held to the same level. If you do hold it to the same level, you are insane.

Personally, it seems like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. How can you not see the difference??

Brock
02-17-2005, 02:26 PM
:spock: Perhaps I'm a little slow, but how is it not logical to compare "staged" kiddie porn to "staged" rape porn? Since it's all staged, I guess it's all-righty then...

Perhaps it has something to do with ADULT actors staging a scene, be it in a porn movie, or in a Charles Bronson bloodbath. Try to stay on topic.

Saulbadguy
02-17-2005, 02:27 PM
:spock: Perhaps I'm a little slow, but how is it not logical to compare "staged" kiddie porn to "staged" rape porn? Since it's all staged, I guess it's all-righty then...
If its staged, its victimless. Although, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "staged kiddie porn".

picasso
02-17-2005, 02:35 PM
If its staged, its victimless. Although, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "staged kiddie porn".

I don't either. What is that? Sitting on Barneys lap eating a grape popcicle?

Brock
02-17-2005, 02:35 PM
OK, I'm not a cop, nor have I seen such movies. I guess I'm ASSUMING
that if you make a porn showing rape scenes, this will be a graphic, elongated scene that serves no purpose other than to get people off who like that kind of thing. A movie that has a depiction of a rape in it certainly is not held to the same level. If you do hold it to the same level, you are insane.

Personally, it seems like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. How can you not see the difference??


It seems to me you are being hypocritical. You are telling me that you don't at all mind watching people slaughtered a hundred different ways in legitimate movies, but a rape scene disgusts you?

Bearcat2005
02-17-2005, 02:45 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050216/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/obscenity_appeal_3
Your topic title is misleading.

Chiefnj
02-17-2005, 04:10 PM
You never saw 8mm?

the "these types of movies" he was referring to were the adult movies. No, I never saw an adult movie featuring rape, murder or defecation, nor do I want to. I saw 8mm and thought it was good.

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 04:55 PM
Perhaps it has something to do with ADULT actors staging a scene, be it in a porn movie, or in a Charles Bronson bloodbath. Try to stay on topic.

OK. If that is OK with you, then fine. Personally, I think there is a profound difference between a scene in a movie (which I stated before, I don't like those scenes either) and an entire pornographic presentation of nothing but rape for the sake of watching rape. I guess obscenity laws need to be better defined.

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 04:59 PM
If its staged, its victimless. Although, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "staged kiddie porn".
It was like a year ago I saw a story on this fake, digitized kiddy porn. They used kids faces on adult bodies, or digitized bodies or something. The argument was, is this kiddy porn, or just art? Personally I think that a representation of a little girl or boy engaged in a sex act is freakin sick ass kiddy porn. But since they were'nt using real kids, no harm no foul. See that way, all the sick bastards who dig child porn could get their jollies without actual kids being hurt. Hooray. Except that it still fuels their desire to diddle little kids. But hey, no harm no foul I guess.

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 05:04 PM
It seems to me you are being hypocritical. You are telling me that you don't at all mind watching people slaughtered a hundred different ways in legitimate movies, but a rape scene disgusts you?
I haven't said once that I didn't mind it, in fact I have stated that I don't like such scenes. However, I recognize a difference between a short scene in a movie which exists to tell a story, and a porn movie that is nothing but one big long rape scene that exists to get somebody's freakin' rocks off. I suppose there might be some weirdoes out there that jerk off to Dirty Harry or Death Wish, but I'd bet they are fewer and further between than the sick bastards who get off watching a woman being brutalized and raped. And on the same level, say in one of these movies, you have an 18 year old girl who is portraying a 14 year old girl getting gang raped. Are you cool with that too??

If that is free speech, well what the **** has this country come to??

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 05:06 PM
the "these types of movies" he was referring to were the adult movies. No, I never saw an adult movie featuring rape, murder or defecation, nor do I want to. I saw 8mm and thought it was good.
8mm is one idea that i had in mind for a frame of reference. I think that the movies depicted in that film are pretty much what we are talking about in this topic. I think that's why he mentioned it...

Saulbadguy
02-17-2005, 06:05 PM
It was like a year ago I saw a story on this fake, digitized kiddy porn. They used kids faces on adult bodies, or digitized bodies or something. The argument was, is this kiddy porn, or just art? Personally I think that a representation of a little girl or boy engaged in a sex act is freakin sick ass kiddy porn. But since they were'nt using real kids, no harm no foul. See that way, all the sick bastards who dig child porn could get their jollies without actual kids being hurt. Hooray. Except that it still fuels their desire to diddle little kids. But hey, no harm no foul I guess.
Victimless. Stupid, but victimless.

stevieray
02-17-2005, 06:09 PM
Victimless. Stupid, but victimless.

Can I borrow a pic of your girlfriends face?

InChiefsHell
02-17-2005, 09:48 PM
Victimless. Stupid, but victimless.

OK, but put it in the hands of a sicko pedophile, and it stimulates the freak...maybe enough to make him want the real thing...capice??

Victimless yes...for now anyway. There is a reason that child porn is illegal. It's not just because the kid in the pic is exploited. It's because it's just...freakin...wrong! :shrug:

Brock
02-18-2005, 08:31 AM
And on the same level, say in one of these movies, you have an 18 year old girl who is portraying a 14 year old girl getting gang raped. Are you cool with that too??

If that is free speech, well what the **** has this country come to??

why stop at 14? Why not 10? I mean, as long as you're throwing out irrelevant comparisons to the topic at hand....

Rausch
02-18-2005, 08:38 AM
OK, but put it in the hands of a sicko pedophile, and it stimulates the freak...maybe enough to make him want the real thing...capice??

Victimless yes...for now anyway. There is a reason that child porn is illegal. It's not just because the kid in the pic is exploited. It's because it's just...freakin...wrong! :shrug:

That's not how it works. You could strap me down to a chair Clockwork Orange style and show me gay rape movies all day long, but that's not going to make me want to be a gay rapist.

I want to see/have sex with women. That's why I watch that type of porn. It's not the other way around.

CrazyHorse
02-18-2005, 08:53 AM
I contend that porn can be a deterent. For example: A married man that achieves satisfaction watching a flick, wont be out chasing women in a bar. Especially men away from home. Frankly, most women dont want sex 2 to 3 times a day.

I also believe that it can be a negative influence. Kiddie porn has no benefit.

Regulation would be good. But a "black or white" generalization of porn isn't accurate. There is a much larger grey area.

Clint in Wichita
02-18-2005, 10:57 AM
Let's see...


When gays have sex of any kind, it's immoral.

When a man goes into a titty bar, it's immoral.

Watching/renting/buying xxx rated movies or magazines is immoral.

JESUS CHRIST, YOU CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE ASSHOLES!!

Will I be able to legally **** my wife from behind a few years from now, or will there be legislation passed that says sex can only be performed in missionary, under the sheets, with the lights off, solely for the purpose of procreation?

Any straight man who is actively against naked women is a dick-chugger in my book.

memyselfI
02-18-2005, 10:59 AM
Let's see...


When gays have sex of any kind, it's immoral.

When a man goes into a titty bar, it's immoral.

Watching/renting/buying xxx rated movies or magazines is immoral.

JESUS CHRIST, YOU CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE ASSHOLES!!

Will I be able to legally **** my wife from behind a few years from now, or will there be legislation passed that says sex can only be performed in missionary, under the sheets, with the lights off, solely for the purpose of procreation?

Any straight man who is actively against naked women is a dick-chugger in my book.

Yes, it's 'immoral' and if these regressives have their way it will ALSO be ILLEGAL.

Cochise
02-18-2005, 11:05 AM
Yes, it's 'immoral' and if these regressives have their way it will ALSO be ILLEGAL.

I'm sure that you'll still be able to sell plenty of your homemade scat videos, don't worry about the market drying up.

memyselfI
02-18-2005, 11:09 AM
I'm sure that you'll still be able to sell plenty of your homemade scat videos, don't worry about the market drying up.

Yes, plenty of hypocrite regressives will still find ways of obtaining those sort of materials, won't they?

Cochise
02-18-2005, 11:10 AM
Yes, plenty of hypocrite regressives will still find ways of obtaining those sort of materials, won't they?

Is a regressive one of those canopener like devices you use in the videos?

memyselfI
02-18-2005, 11:11 AM
Is a regressive one of those canopener like devices you use in the videos?

No, it would be you and your lambs

picasso
02-18-2005, 11:43 AM
No, it would be you and your lambs
:clap:

baaa

InChiefsHell
02-18-2005, 02:03 PM
Let's see...


When gays have sex of any kind, it's immoral.

When a man goes into a titty bar, it's immoral.

Watching/renting/buying xxx rated movies or magazines is immoral.

JESUS CHRIST, YOU CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE ASSHOLES!!

Will I be able to legally **** my wife from behind a few years from now, or will there be legislation passed that says sex can only be performed in missionary, under the sheets, with the lights off, solely for the purpose of procreation?

Any straight man who is actively against naked women is a dick-chugger in my book.

Fine. Any straight man who protects the idea of rape videos is a sick lonely loser in my book. Nyah nyah nyah...

Actively against naked women...what the hell ever...

...dude, are you really a man? Cuz I have never met such an over reactive drama queen as you who wasn't a woman. We're not talking about gays having sex. We're not talking about titty bars, or renting regular xxx porn. As far as I know, Christ never came up in this whole thread, till you brought it up. So chill out. Take your wife from behind. I try to take mine from behind as much as possible. Enjoy. Ya freakin' idiot...how the hell to you connect having consensual sex with your wife to people being busted for creating ****ing RAPE videos?? Forget it, maybe I don't want to know...

Whatever. If you people think it's just allrighty then for people to create videos of rape for sick freaks to get off on, good for you. I think it's wrong. I also don't think it HURTS ANYONE IF IT IS TAKEN AWAY!!

So lemme ask all you "progressives" (and BOY, do I use that term loosely) is there a line that you draw anywhere? At all? Hmmmmm???

InChiefsHell
02-18-2005, 02:07 PM
That's not how it works. You could strap me down to a chair Clockwork Orange style and show me gay rape movies all day long, but that's not going to make me want to be a gay rapist.

I want to see/have sex with women. That's why I watch that type of porn. It's not the other way around.

So, who the hell do you think is watching kiddie porn? Guys who DON'T want to diddle little kids? I don't even understand your logic.

You just said, you want to see/have sex with women. So you watch regular porn. Pedophiles want to see/have sex with kids. So they watch kiddie porn. Sick rape fantasy freaks want to see/rape women, so they watch rape porn.

It's a good thing you people are all Chiefs fans, or I'd lose total faith in all of you...

InChiefsHell
02-18-2005, 02:09 PM
Yes, it's 'immoral' and if these regressives have their way it will ALSO be ILLEGAL.

Oh...shut....the ****....UP!!! :rolleyes:

Cochise
02-18-2005, 02:36 PM
...dude, are you really a man? Cuz I have never met such an over reactive drama queen as you who wasn't a woman.

:clap: :clap: :clap: