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royr17
03-02-2005, 08:26 PM
OK, I need your help in settling a disagreement with a fellow member.

He claims Anthony Davis was a beter LB for the Chiefs than Marvcus Patton.

Need your opinons.


Poll coming.

petegz28
03-02-2005, 08:28 PM
OK, I need your help in settling a disagreement with a fellow member.

He claims Anthony Davis was a beter LB for the Chiefs than Marvcus Patton.

Need your opinons.


Poll coming.


Most definitly DAVIS! Davis was awesome at MLB. Patton was good but at the end of his career when we got him. And I am not sure he ever played with the intensity Davis had.

Miles
03-02-2005, 08:29 PM
Definitly Anthony Davis. We got Patton on the downside of his career.

|Zach|
03-02-2005, 08:29 PM
Davis was much much better.

el borracho
03-02-2005, 08:30 PM
Davis was better as a Chief.

Patton (still good) had past his prime in his time here.

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 08:30 PM
Patton had one good year here.

Davis had several.

End of story.

royr17
03-02-2005, 08:31 PM
Davis was good but he had alot of talent around him to make him better, Patton was older at the time but he was a true leader of a defense when the defense didnt have players like Smith, Thomas, Simien, Edwards, and Carter.

tk13
03-02-2005, 08:33 PM
Mike Maslowski owns them all.

petegz28
03-02-2005, 08:33 PM
Davis was good but he had alot of talent around him to make him better, Patton was older at the time but he was a true leader of a defense when the defense didnt have players like Smith, Thomas, Simien, Edwards, and Carter.


I disagree. Davis played with much more intensity than Patton. Don;t ge tme wrong I liek Patton he was good for our team. But I think toe-toe Davis was more intense and harder hitting.

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 08:34 PM
Davis was good but he had alot of talent around him to make him better, Patton was older at the time but he was a true leader of a defense when the defense didnt have players like Smith, Thomas, Simien, Edwards, and Carter.

It's ok, Roy. People have different opinions. Just because you think yours is correct doesn't make everyone else a moron.

jspchief
03-02-2005, 08:36 PM
Follow up poll....Who was better? Neil Smith or Eric Hicks?

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 08:36 PM
Marcus Patton.
Anthony Davis never made it to his "prime".

|Zach|
03-02-2005, 08:37 PM
Marcus Patton.
Anthony Davis never made it to his "prime".
Wahhhhh?

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 08:37 PM
Follow up poll....Who was better? Neil Smith or Eric Hicks?

Hicks! Neil always had Derrick Thomas and all that talent around him! Neil Smith could never have gotten 9 sacks in a Greg Robinson defense!

petegz28
03-02-2005, 08:38 PM
Are we talking Smith as a Charger???

|Zach|
03-02-2005, 08:39 PM
I can't believe there is more than one vote for Patton.

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 08:40 PM
Hicks! Neil always had Derrick Thomas and all that talent around him! Neil Smith could never have gotten 9 sacks in a Greg Robinson defense!

I hate to admit this...... but he did in Denver. :rolleyes:

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 08:40 PM
I can't believe there is more than one vote for Patton.

Soon there will be 4.

A breakdown of the votes (past and future) for Marvcus:

Royc03
Royr17
Steph
ROYC75

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 08:41 PM
I hate to admit this...... but he did in Denver. :rolleyes:

Actually I think he had 8. ROFL

Can't find a stat sheet anywhere on the 'net.

Edit: 8.5! http://www.superbowl.com/history/stats/teams/DEN/1997

The verdict is in!

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 08:46 PM
Actually I think he had 8. ROFL

Can't find a stat sheet anywhere on the 'net.

Edit: 8.5! http://www.superbowl.com/history/stats/teams/DEN/1997

The verdict is in!


I sit corrected............ :deevee:

ROYC75
03-02-2005, 08:47 PM
Davis was a hot item when he came out of college, but fizzeled and left KC after losing his MLB position to only back up in Balt.


Patton had a more productive career than Davis. Patton can on at the tail end of his career and produce davis like #'s with less talent around him.

Overall, this is a no brainer, Patton hands down for longivity and ability with the talent around each player during there time.

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 08:50 PM
Davis was a hot item when he came out of college, but fizzeled and left KC after losing his MLB position to only back up in Balt.


Patton had a more productive career than Davis. Patton can on at the tail end of his career and produce davis like #'s with less talent around him.

Overall, this is a no brainer, Patton hands down for longivity and ability with the talent around each player during there time.

That is correct.....

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 08:50 PM
Davis was a hot item when he came out of college, but fizzeled and left KC after losing his MLB position to only back up in Balt.


Patton had a more productive career than Davis. Patton can on at the tail end of his career and produce davis like #'s with less talent around him.

Overall, this is a no brainer, Patton hands down for longivity and ability with the talent around each player during there time.

We're talking about each player's CHIEF careers.

There's no question Davis had a better career as a Chief.

If you did the research you would see that Patton played on some really lousy defenses in his NFL career. At best the defenses he played on were average.

jspchief
03-02-2005, 08:52 PM
Davis was best after he left the Packers...

ChiefsCountry
03-02-2005, 08:53 PM
Davis never played MLB, he played outside linebacker. Simien or Donnie Edwards played the middle. But Anthony Davis was better than Patton.

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 08:55 PM
Davis never played MLB, he played outside linebacker. Simien or Donnie Edwards played the middle. But Anthony Davis was better than Patton.

You're right, I just checked out an old Packers article and he didn't play middle linebacker until he got to Green Bay.

I guess that makes this whole thread POINTLESS.

nychief
03-02-2005, 08:55 PM
Two words: Percy Snow

ROYC75
03-02-2005, 08:56 PM
We're talking about each player's CHIEF careers.

There's no question Davis had a better career as a Chief.

If you did the research you would see that Patton played on some really lousy defenses in his NFL career. At best the defenses he played on were average.


Again, just a difference in opinons !

Patton never lost his MLB position until many years of service in the NFL.

Can't say that about Davis. It was because of the talent around him that made him better.

Patton was solid no matter what talent was around him.

siberian khatru
03-02-2005, 08:56 PM
Davis never played MLB, he played outside linebacker. Simien or Donnie Edwards played the middle. But Anthony Davis was better than Patton.

Thank you. That was bugging me -- I thought maybe I'd suddenly become ignorant. I never remembered Davis as a MLB. While you were posting that, I was searching for confirmation. I found this:

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/news/jul99/packers31073099.asp

Bargain basement: Packers sign Davis for minimum
By Bob McGinn
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: July 30, 1999

Green Bay -- The Green Bay Packers could have brought back Wayne Simmons, and former special-teams ace Lamont Hollinquest became available as well.

But neither Simmons nor Hollinquest was a consideration when the Packers' determined bid to acquire linebacker Anthony Davis ended with his signature on a bargain-basement contract Thursday. ...

Shortly after he signed, the coaching staff asked Davis what position he wanted to play. Although Davis had spent almost his entire career on the weak side, he told the Packers that middle linebacker was his preference. ...

"I've watched this system," said Davis, who hasn't played middle linebacker since playing there two years at Utah after he transferred from a junior college. "The middle linebacker is the guy that makes a lot of plays. Donnie (Edwards) made a lot of plays in Kansas City, and that's the way it is in Miami and Tampa Bay."

|Zach|
03-02-2005, 08:59 PM
Again, just a difference in opinons !


Yes we know...everyone involved in this board understands this...

I am just trying to keep this from being said 15-20 times.

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 09:02 PM
Patton never lost his MLB position until many years of service in the NFL.

Can't say that about Davis.

You can't say ANYTHING about Davis in regards to being a middle linebacker for the Chiefs. He never even played the position here!

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 09:06 PM
Two words: Percy Snow

The million dollar "one sack" wonder :rolleyes:

ROYC75
03-02-2005, 09:07 PM
You can't say ANYTHING about Davis in regards to being a middle linebacker for the Chiefs. He never even played the position here!


Bout time you realized this, tard !

When you wanted royr17 to post this, you told him Davis played MLB.

Looks like you lost...... Davis never played MLB.

And yet, how many voted for Davis on a fraud poll ? :shake:

jspchief
03-02-2005, 09:08 PM
You can't say ANYTHING about Davis in regards to being a middle linebacker for the Chiefs. He never even played the position here!Kind of removes the credibility of the "experts" arguing either side, eh?

|Zach|
03-02-2005, 09:08 PM
Bout time you realized this, tard !

When you wanted royr17 to post this, you told him Davis played MLB.

Looks like you lost...... Davis never played MLB.

And yet, how many voted for Davis on a fraud poll ? :shake:
My ass...the actual poll question says Line Backer...not MLB.

|Zach|
03-02-2005, 09:09 PM
Wow, looks like both the Roys are sitting around and trying to find ways to trick GoChiefs online.

A sense of sadness sweeps over me...

jspchief
03-02-2005, 09:09 PM
Bout time you realized this, tard !

When you wanted royr17 to post this, you told him Davis played MLB.

Looks like you lost...... Davis never played MLB.

And yet, how many voted for Davis on a fraud poll ? :shake:

The poll and thread starter said nothing about "middle" LB....

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 09:09 PM
Bout time you realized this, tard !

When you wanted royr17 to post this, you told him Davis played MLB.

Looks like you lost...... Davis never played MLB.

And yet, how many voted for Davis on a fraud poll ? :shake:

Roy's the one that asked me who was the better middle linebacker.

I told no one he played middle linebacker....I thought he did but clearly he did not. Seems most people here thought he did.

At least I did some research.

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 09:11 PM
Kind of removes the credibility of the "experts" arguing either side, eh?

In regards to comparing them as MLBs, yes. Just as plain linebackers? There's no question Davis was better.

|Zach|
03-02-2005, 09:11 PM
The poll and thread starter said nothing about "middle" LB....

ROYC75
03-02-2005, 09:12 PM
Looks like the thread title and question for the poll was as flawed as the votes . :D

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 09:31 PM
Looks like the thread title and question for the poll was as flawed as the votes . :D

Post the poll again without the "middle" part of it and Davis will still win.

YOU LOSE.

ROYC75
03-02-2005, 09:58 PM
Post the poll again without the "middle" part of it and Davis will still win.

YOU LOSE.


It would appear to me you lost since Davis wasn't a MLB.

Did you not mention to roy that Davis was a better MLB than Patton on some IM chat ?

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 10:02 PM
It would appear to me you lost since Davis wasn't a MLB.

Did you not mention to roy that Davis was a better MLB than Patton on some IM chat ?

He brought it up, not me.

ROYC75
03-02-2005, 10:05 PM
He brought it up, not me.

Do you always feel you are right when you chat or IM him about all of this BS ?

I don't know who is the worst, you egging him on or him actually paying attention to you ?

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 10:07 PM
Do you always feel you are right when you chat or IM him about all of this BS ?

Uh...HE BROUGHT IT UP.

Roy asked for my opinion, so I gave it. Then he called me a moron and asked me to post this poll. I said I didn't give a shit, and if he wanted to, he could do it. So he did.

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 10:10 PM
Sure would be nice if there were some accurate stats from both players because the answer lies within.
I would be shocked if Patton's numbers wasnt double Davis's

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 10:12 PM
Sure would be nice if there were some accurate stats from both players because the answer lies within.
I would be shocked if Patton's numbers wasnt double Davis's

The only stat I can really find is where the defenses they were on ranked during their tenure. Davis kicks Patton's ass in that area. Of course now that we find out that Davis was never a Chief MLB, I'm not really sure how significant that is.

Patton was nothing special here for the most part, though. He was basically a black Mike Maslowski (although at least Maz had the season where he recorded 160 tackles. Patton broke 100 tackles just once in his career and never as a Chief).

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 10:22 PM
The only stat I can really find is where the defenses they were on ranked during their tenure. Davis kicks Patton's ass in that area. Of course now that we find out that Davis was never a Chief MLB, I'm not really sure how significant that is.

This really means nothing, otherwise that would open the door for a lot of good players to be over-looked and bad players to be over-rated.

Patton was nothing special here for the most part, though. He was basically a black Mike Maslowski

Agreed, but neither was Davis.

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 10:24 PM
This really means nothing, otherwise that would open the door for a lot of good players to be over-looked and bad players to be over-rated.



Agreed, but neither was Davis.

At least Davis has the status of those Chief defenses to hang his hat on. Patton really has nothing.

jspchief
03-02-2005, 10:29 PM
Sure would be nice if there were some accurate stats from both players because the answer lies within.
I would be shocked if Patton's numbers wasnt double Davis's Ask and you shall receive...
Marvcus Patton (http://football.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=1531)

Anthony Davis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=2640)

Although it's apples and oranges. MLBs are always going to get more tackles.

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 10:34 PM
At least Davis has the status of those Chief defenses to hang his hat on. Patton really has nothing.

At least Davis has the status of those Chiefs defenders Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Dan Saleamua and Leslie Oneil to hang his hat on. Patton really had no one.
Look, Patton was a good solid player through his whole career, but Davis never quite reached that same plateau. Thats why the stats would sway this whole discussion.

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 10:39 PM
Look, Patton was a good solid player through his whole career, but Davis never quite reached that same plateau.

Then why did he never play on a good defense? And several shitty ones?

We're only talking about their careers as Chiefs here, as well. At least that was the way it was put to me.

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 10:39 PM
Ask and you shall receive...
Marvcus Patton (http://football.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=1531)

Anthony Davis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=2640)

Although it's apples and oranges. MLBs are always going to get more tackles.

Nice work jspchief :thumb:

Well there you go, let the spinning begin.

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 10:49 PM
Then why did he never play on a good defense? And several shitty ones?

We're only talking about their careers as Chiefs here, as well. At least that was the way it was put to me.

I guess you could ask the same of Barry Sanders.

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 10:49 PM
I guess you could ask the same of Barry Sanders.

Barry Sanders played on quite a few good OFFENSES.

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 11:04 PM
Barry Sanders played on quite a few good OFFENSES.
It will go down in history that Barry Sanders played many years with a lot of poorly talented offensive teamates.

Douche Baggins
03-02-2005, 11:06 PM
It will go down in history that Barry Sanders played many years with a lot of poorly talented offensive teamates.

He had a couple of good players in Herman Moore and some other receivers, but by and large you are correct. Sanders carried those offenses.

Patton never carried a defense.

PastorMikH
03-02-2005, 11:11 PM
I can't believe Scanlon hasn't been mentioned in the thread yet.:)

C-Mac
03-02-2005, 11:17 PM
He had a couple of good players in Herman Moore and some other receivers, but by and large you are correct. Sanders carried those offenses.

Patton never carried a defense.

I never compared the two in that manner.
I was just trying to reason with you on why Patton could still be better than Davis while never playing on a great defense.

patteeu
03-03-2005, 12:23 AM
Davis never played MLB, he played outside linebacker. Simien or Donnie Edwards played the middle. But Anthony Davis was better than Patton.

That's what I thought. I voted for Patton because I didn't think Davis was a MLB. I thought it was a trick question.

ROYC75
03-03-2005, 07:48 AM
During Pattons years here, he averaged 105.50 tackles per year.

Davis years here , he averaged 58.40 tackles.


OK, gochiefs........ spin it about Davis being a better LB than Patton.

Which one had a nose for the ball ?

Do you want to break it down to solo tackles ?

ROYC75
03-03-2005, 07:54 AM
Pattons career ........

DEFENSE STATS
YEAR TEAM G GS TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
1990 BUF 16 0 12 8 4 0 0.5 0 0 0 0 0
1991 BUF 16 2 10 9 1 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
1992 BUF 16 4 25 20 5 0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0
1993 BUF 16 16 118 76 42 5 1.0 2 3 2 0 0
1994 BUF 16 16 95 68 27 5 0.0 0 0 2 8 0
1995 WAS 16 16 113 99 14 4 2.0 3 1 2 7 0
1996 WAS 16 16 115 99 16 4 2.0 0 0 2 26 0
1997 WAS 16 16 135 109 26 6 4.5 3 1 2 5 0
1998 WAS 16 16 143 115 28 4 3.0 0 0 0 0 0
1999 KC 16 16 105 89 16 4 6.5 1 3 1 0 0
2000 KC 16 15 111 92 19 6 1.0 1 1 2 39 1
2001 KC 16 15 114 101 13 5 3.0 2 0 2 5 0
2002 KC 16 15 92 72 20 4 2.0 0 2 2 29 0
CAREER 208 -- 1188 957 231 47 27.5 12 -- 17 119 1

RETURN STATS
YEAR TEAM G PR YDS TD FC LNG KR YDS TD FC LNG
1997 WAS 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 10 0 0 10
CAREER 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 10 0 0 10

SCORING STATS
YEAR TEAM G PassTD RushTD RecTD RetTD TotTD 2PT PAT FG TotPT
2000 KC 16 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 6
CAREER 16 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 6



Davis's career .......

DEFENSE STATS
YEAR TEAM G GS TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
1994 KC 5 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
1995 KC 16 2 56 52 4 7 2.0 0 0 1 11 0
1996 KC 16 15 71 62 9 9 2.5 0 0 2 37 0
1997 KC 15 15 88 70 18 5 3.5 1 1 0 0 0
1998 KC 16 16 77 67 10 2 4.5 1 0 2 27 0
1999 GNB 14 1 19 16 3 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
2000 BAL 14 0 5 3 2 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
CAREER 96 -- 316 270 46 23 12.5 2 -- 5 75


This is an overall slam dunk , even during their years with the Chiefs !

Braincase
03-03-2005, 08:00 AM
I might have to look up and compare Spani's numbers.