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Bill Lundberg
03-10-2005, 12:00 PM
Chiefs | Hartwell Close to Signing? - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:55:49 -0800

Inside The League reports free agent LB Ed Hartwell (Ravens) is close to working out a deal with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Wile_E_Coyote
03-10-2005, 12:01 PM
PBJ PBJ

mlyonsd
03-10-2005, 12:02 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.

irishjayhawk
03-10-2005, 12:02 PM
YES!!!

Woodrow Call
03-10-2005, 12:02 PM
The Phobia karma is strong. :)

I jumped out of my chair when this posted. Very happy

irishjayhawk
03-10-2005, 12:02 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.
Agreed, but still good!

Warrior5
03-10-2005, 12:02 PM
When I hear something from kcnut, I'll believe it.

KCNUT...CALL YOUR CONTACT NOW!!

ChiTown
03-10-2005, 12:02 PM
Sombitch. That'd be awesome.

Now, they need to make the trade for Surtain and we can get this party started............

buddha
03-10-2005, 12:03 PM
Inside The League reports free agent LB Ed Hartwell (Ravens) is close to working out a deal with the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'll be shocked if it's true, but I'll be very grateful if it happens! Hartwell and Bell would really give KC a nice 2/3 of a LB corps!

Yes, we will need to get some CBs, but that can happen through the draft and late signees.

Bill Lundberg
03-10-2005, 12:03 PM
Can't say I've ever heard of "Inside the League" but hey, I'm excited.

tomahawk kid
03-10-2005, 12:04 PM
Sweet Jesus in heaven please say this is true.

ROYC75
03-10-2005, 12:04 PM
OK, " Bring it on " .

ct
03-10-2005, 12:04 PM
I've already given up, but could quickly rejoin the bandwagon.

I would SO much prefer we spend for 2 solid upgrades at LB, then spend a bit less on CB and draft Rodgers in the 1st. But i just have a very hard time seeing CP spend that cash on 2 FA LBs.

irishjayhawk
03-10-2005, 12:04 PM
Sweet Jesus in heaven please say this is true.
Its true!



(I hope)

Stinger
03-10-2005, 12:04 PM
Sombitch. That'd be awesome.

Now, they need to make the trade for Surtain and we can get this party started............

:thumb: Amen to that

Woodrow Call
03-10-2005, 12:05 PM
If this does happen does it kill any Surtain/Law hopes? I would have to think so. I would be fine with that as long as Herndon or Dyson is brought in.

A dominate front 7 would be awesome.

ILChief
03-10-2005, 12:05 PM
who is "inside the league"?

Frankie
03-10-2005, 12:06 PM
I've never been as excited about Hartwell as the rest of you. Call it a gut feeling. And I hope I'm wrong. Isn't he kind of small for MLB?

irishjayhawk
03-10-2005, 12:06 PM
I've already given up, but could quickly rejoin the bandwagon.

I would SO much prefer we spend for 2 solid upgrades at LB, then spend a bit less on CB and draft Rodgers in the 1st. But i just have a very hard time seeing CP spend that cash on 2 FA LBs.
Actually, I think it makes sense. Two more LB means that our safeties can play safety, for the most part. Add Surtain/Law/Dyson and draft another corner, and we should be set.

Anyone have thoughts on drafting a WR if available? (M.Clatyon comes to mind)

Braincase
03-10-2005, 12:06 PM
who is "inside the league"?

The KC Star board.

bogie
03-10-2005, 12:07 PM
please, please, please, please, please!

Bill Lundberg
03-10-2005, 12:07 PM
who is "inside the league"?


Can't say I've ever heard of "Inside the League" but hey, I'm excited.

Mr. Kotter
03-10-2005, 12:07 PM
Holy shit! ROFL

PBJ PBJ PBJ

I've gotta be dreamin'; or else I might be creamin'....heh. :p

NewChief
03-10-2005, 12:08 PM
This would be nice. Fingers are crossed.

eazyb81
03-10-2005, 12:09 PM
If this does happen does it kill any Surtain/Law hopes? I would have to think so. I would be fine with that as long as Herndon or Dyson is brought in.

A dominate front 7 would be awesome.

That's what I am wondering too. Does this mean we have to see Bartee or McCleon on the field again this year? Hartwell or no Hartwell, I am still not comfortable with Warfield as our #1 CB.

Frankie
03-10-2005, 12:09 PM
Actually, I think it makes sense. Two more LB means that our safeties can play safety, for the most part. Add Surtain/Law/Dyson and draft another corner, and we should be set.

Anyone have thoughts on drafting a WR if available? (M.Clatyon comes to mind)

No... DE or CB

BigRedChief
03-10-2005, 12:09 PM
The KC Star board.

:doh!: Had my hopes up. Quickly brought down to earth. :sulk:

Stinger
03-10-2005, 12:09 PM
The KC Star board.
Hehe that deserves rep although I am not sure if it derseves positive or negative :hmmm:

KCTitus
03-10-2005, 12:09 PM
who is "inside the league"?

Me.

siberian khatru
03-10-2005, 12:10 PM
Oh, God, if this is true Phil will be insufferable to live with around here.

siberian khatru
03-10-2005, 12:10 PM
Me.

I thought you were just "inside Carl's ass." :p :p

Carlota69
03-10-2005, 12:10 PM
I've never been as excited about Hartwell as the rest of you. Call it a gut feeling. And I hope I'm wrong. Isn't he kind of small for MLB?

HArtwell would be an awesome pick-up! He's not that little, and he's a fireball that kicked ass on the line for Balt--Ray Lewis just got all the attention, But Ed kicked major ass for them. Plus he's totally cool, he very much fits the DV profile. This would be F'n huge if it's true! Please say it is!

Iowanian
03-10-2005, 12:11 PM
I've never been as excited about Hartwell as the rest of you. Call it a gut feeling. And I hope I'm wrong. Isn't he kind of small for MLB?


Your "hunch" obviously hasn't spent much time watching Ravens LBs play football.

Hartwell is like 6'1, 250, and hits like a train. He's a solid tackler, a seasoned ILB and took over The Ravens D when Lewis was out.

I'd be absolutely THRILLED with Hartwell and Bell, a mid-grade improvement CB and a 1st round CB.

Stinger
03-10-2005, 12:11 PM
Oh, God, if this is true Phil will be insufferable to live with around here.

Like he isn't now?

KCTitus
03-10-2005, 12:11 PM
I thought you were just "inside Carl's ass." :p :p


LOL....ewwww!

Lzen
03-10-2005, 12:11 PM
The KC Star board.


I hate you. 4321









Not really. But that was pretty mean. :cuss:

ct
03-10-2005, 12:11 PM
Actually, I think it makes sense. Two more LB means that our safeties can play safety, for the most part. Add Surtain/Law/Dyson and draft another corner, and we should be set.

Anyone have thoughts on drafting a WR if available? (M.Clatyon comes to mind)

In the 2nd or 3rd(if we get a 3rd), sure I'd take a WR. but ONLY if we've addressed Def. with 2 LBs and 2 CBs via FA/1st round.

Mr. Kotter
03-10-2005, 12:12 PM
Oh, God, if this is true Phil will be insufferable to live with around here.

We will have to go back and check timing of posts BEFORE Phil's predicition because I've been saying the same thing since Monday....heh.

I want my fair share of the credit, damn it! :harumph:

:p

siberian khatru
03-10-2005, 12:12 PM
Like he isn't now?

I purposefully teed it up ... you drove it like a sober John Daly. :thumb:

|Zach|
03-10-2005, 12:13 PM
LOL....ewwww!
You have broadband internet access from Carl's ass.

Technology is amazing.

siberian khatru
03-10-2005, 12:13 PM
We will have to go back and check timing of posts BEFORE Phil's predicition because I've been saying the same thing since Monday....heh.

I want my fair share of the credit, damn it! :harumph:

:p

Sorry, I just assumed "Phobia" was one of your handles.

Stinger
03-10-2005, 12:14 PM
I purposefully teed it up ... you drove it like a sober John Daly. :thumb:

hehe nice assist :thumb:

Anyong Bluth
03-10-2005, 12:14 PM
one of the remaing CB could fall to us - and who else is even looking at Law... he's not getting any huge payday and could come cheap for a 1 year deal

Frankie
03-10-2005, 12:14 PM
Your "hunch" obviously hasn't spent much time watching Ravens LBs play football.

Hartwell is like 6'1, 250, and hits like a train. He's a solid tackler, a seasoned ILB and took over The Ravens D when Lewis was out.


You're correct... I haven't.

I thought I had read that he is in the 230-240 range. I stand corrected.

Lzen
03-10-2005, 12:15 PM
Like he isn't now?

Darn, you beat me to it.. :thumb:

ct
03-10-2005, 12:15 PM
Your "hunch" obviously hasn't spent much time watching Ravens LBs play football.

Hartwell is like 6'1, 250, and hits like a train. He's a solid tackler, a seasoned ILB and took over The Ravens D when Lewis was out.

I'd be absolutely THRILLED with Hartwell and Bell, a mid-grade improvement CB and a 1st round CB.

ditto, my dream plan all along. Although my dream actually included Rolle, not a mid-grade FA CB. We all know how that turned out...

BigRedChief
03-10-2005, 12:16 PM
So WTF is inside the league and why are they credible?

alpha_omega
03-10-2005, 12:17 PM
hoping this is true!!!!!!!!

bringbackmarty
03-10-2005, 12:17 PM
I think if we sign hartwell, than it is a sure sign we will be playing falcon next year some at least on passing downs. (gunther must be obsessed with it.) I can't imagine them going with hartwell(mike) Bell and Barber on the outside unles they are going to release barber and go with fujita. I think we will see bell outside on first and second down, inside on third and long. Hartwell will stay in on third and short, and bell will stay outside.

Cochise
03-10-2005, 12:18 PM
A lot of people around here are about to look stupid. Especially if we pull the Surtain deal off.

buddha
03-10-2005, 12:18 PM
He's too small like Ray Lewis is too small! Hartwell stood out in games at almost the same level as Lewis, even when Ray was on the field at the same time. He is an excellent LB.

Bill Lundberg
03-10-2005, 12:18 PM
http://www.insidetheleague.com/

Thig Lyfe
03-10-2005, 12:19 PM
Even if this is true (and I hope it is), there's no reason we can't get Surtain as well. What's a 2nd round pick? Nothing. Hartwell, Surtain, a solid CB in the 1st round and I'd be a happy camper.

siberian khatru
03-10-2005, 12:19 PM
A lot of people around here are about to look stupid.

Normally that only happens on days that end in "y."

Warrior5
03-10-2005, 12:21 PM
A lot of people around here are about to look stupid. Especially if we pull the Surtain deal off.

Harumph.

Predarat
03-10-2005, 12:21 PM
If KFFL says it then its probably BS. Expect an announcement in an hour he has signed with Arizona or someone.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-10-2005, 12:22 PM
If Hartwell signs, then they'll write stories about Phobia when he dies.

ct
03-10-2005, 12:22 PM
Even if this is true (and I hope it is), there's no reason we can't get Surtain as well. What's a 2nd round pick? Nothing. Hartwell, Surtain, a solid CB in the 1st round and I'd be a happy camper.

It's not the 2nd rounder that really would hurt us, it's the contract extension and what he'll demand, combined with what we had already paid Bell and what we might pay for Hartwell. I think just about everyone here would pull the trigger on a Surtain for 2nd round pick deal. As I understand it, Miami wanted 2nd round + players/later pick too, and Carl has hinted that the compensation they were asking wasn't in acceptable range, plus the contract #s discussed weren't either.

Stinger
03-10-2005, 12:22 PM
If KFFL says it then its probably BS. Expect an announcement in an hour he has signed with Arizona or someone.


:harumph: Killjoy

shakesthecat
03-10-2005, 12:23 PM
A lot of people around here are about to look stupid. Especially if we pull the Surtain deal off.

About to?


I'd love to see this actually happen, but I'm not quite ready to break out the happy dance just yet.

cdcox
03-10-2005, 12:24 PM
I don't understand the infactuation with the Falcon Defense. I think DT (for whom the defense was designed) was more effective before we started running that defense.

Tuckdaddy
03-10-2005, 12:24 PM
That would be too wonderful. It can't be true.

Frankie
03-10-2005, 12:24 PM
Just playing devil's advocate:

Could Hartwell's good play be because teams had to double-team Ray Lewis? :shrug:

Stinger
03-10-2005, 12:26 PM
Just playing devil's advocate:

Could Hartwell's good play be because teams had to double-team Ray Lewis? :shrug:

When lewis was hurt there D didn't seem to miss a beat with Hartwell in

Katipan
03-10-2005, 12:26 PM
Just playing devil's advocate:

Could Hartwell's good play be because teams had to double-team Ray Lewis? :shrug:

"It's just not possible! Look at the papers!"

ct
03-10-2005, 12:28 PM
"It's just not possible! Look at the papers!"

:thumb: well done!

rep

cdcox
03-10-2005, 12:28 PM
http://www.insidetheleague.com/

I think Chiefsplanet just killed the hamster that runs their server by all clicking on it at once.

Woodrow Call
03-10-2005, 12:29 PM
I think Chiefsplanet just killed the hamster that runs their server by all clicking on it at once.

I was thinking the same thing. ROFL

Lzen
03-10-2005, 12:30 PM
A lot of people around here are about to look stupid. Especially if we pull the Surtain deal off.

I certainly hope so. But let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Frankie
03-10-2005, 12:30 PM
:thumb: well done!

rep

????
Did I miss something?

eazyb81
03-10-2005, 12:30 PM
I think Chiefsplanet just killed the hamster that runs their server by all clicking on it at once.

Yeah I noticed that as well.

ct
03-10-2005, 12:31 PM
I think Chiefsplanet just killed the hamster that runs their server by all clicking on it at once.

DaPlanet stikes again!!

Cochise
03-10-2005, 12:32 PM
If KFFL says it then its probably BS. Expect an announcement in an hour he has signed with Arizona or someone.

Since when is KFFL not reliable?

Chiefs Pantalones
03-10-2005, 12:32 PM
We could POTENTIALLY (not really yet, but potentially) have gone from one of the worst LB cores in the league, to one of the best, if so.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-10-2005, 12:33 PM
kffl.com doesn't report those crap stories that come out of warpaint.com or scout.com.

ct
03-10-2005, 12:33 PM
????
Did I miss something?

Did you not see KC's OL kick Ray's azz into complete confusion? Did you miss that too?

Lzen
03-10-2005, 12:34 PM
Just playing devil's advocate:

Could Hartwell's good play be because teams had to double-team Ray Lewis? :shrug:

That thought has crossed my mind. Some have said he played very well when Ray Lewis was out. I wonder how long a period of time that was and against what teams.

C-Mac
03-10-2005, 12:35 PM
SeRver bRoKe....CAnt pOst... MUSt geT HeLp

Mark M
03-10-2005, 12:36 PM
The football gods would never let me be this happy ...

MM
~~:grovel:

Lzen
03-10-2005, 12:37 PM
Ok, it appears as though Inside The League is a service of KFFL.

http://www.kffl.com/shop/buy/334

Frankie
03-10-2005, 12:37 PM
Did you not see KC's OL kick Ray's azz into complete confusion? Did you miss that too?
wasn't he miked for that game? Didn't he keep bitching that he was being double-teamed?

Frankie
03-10-2005, 12:38 PM
That thought has crossed my mind. Some have said he played very well when Ray Lewis was out. I wonder how long a period of time that was and against what teams.

Good... There's two of us realists. :thumb:

Rausch
03-10-2005, 12:39 PM
If ESPN or a newspaper reports the same thing, then I MIGHT get a little excited...

Sure-Oz
03-10-2005, 12:39 PM
That would so kick ass if we got him-captain obvious

ct
03-10-2005, 12:40 PM
That thought has crossed my mind. Some have said he played very well when Ray Lewis was out. I wonder how long a period of time that was and against what teams.

Ray Lewis

September Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
09/08 @Carolina L 7-10 Yes 8.0 7 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
09/15 Tampa Bay L 0-25 Yes 13.0 5 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
09/30 Denver W 34-23 Yes 11.0 9 7 0 1 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 0

October Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
10/06 @Cleveland W 26-21 Yes 3.0 3 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0
10/13 @Indianapolis L 20-22 Did Not Play
10/20 Jacksonville W 17-10 Did Not Play
10/27 Pittsburgh L 18-31 Did Not Play

November Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
11/03 @Atlanta L 17-20 Did Not Play
11/10 Cincinnati W 38-27 Did Not Play
11/17 @Miami L 7-26 Yes 6.0 6 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11/24 Tennessee W 13-12 Did Not Play

DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
1996 Baltimore Ravens 14 110 94.0 16 2.5 1 0 0.0 0 0 5
1997 Baltimore Ravens 16 183 155.0 28 4 1 18 18.0 18 0 10
1998 Baltimore Ravens 14 118 99.0 19 3 2 25 12.5 26 0 5
1999 Baltimore Ravens 16 167 131.0 36 3.5 3 97 32.3 60 0 5
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 137 108.0 29 3 2 1 0.5 1 0 4
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 161 112.0 49 3.5 3 115 38.3 64 0 9
2002 Baltimore Ravens 5 57 42.0 15 0 2 4 2.0 4 0 1
2003 Baltimore Ravens 16 161 120.0 41 1.5 6 99 16.5 37 1 7
2004 Baltimore Ravens 15 146 100.0 46 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 5
TOTAL 128 1240 961.0 279 22 20 359 17.9 64 1 51


Ed Hartwell

September Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
09/08 @Carolina L 7-10 Yes 5.0 5 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
09/15 Tampa Bay L 0-25 Yes 5.0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
09/30 Denver W 34-23 Yes 6.0 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

October Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
10/06 @Cleveland W 26-21 Yes 3.0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10/13 @Indianapolis L 20-22 No 6.0 6 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10/20 Jacksonville W 17-10 Yes 4.0 4 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10/27 Pittsburgh L 18-31 Yes 3.0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

November Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
11/03 @Atlanta L 17-20 Yes 8.0 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11/10 Cincinnati W 38-27 Yes 9.0 7 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
11/17 @Miami L 7-26 Yes 4.0 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11/24 Tennessee W 13-12 Yes 9.0 4 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

December Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
12/01 @Cincinnati W 27-23 Yes 10.0 10 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
12/08 New Orleans L 25-37 Yes 7.0 4 3 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0
12/15 @Houston W 23-19 Yes 7.0 7 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
12/22 Cleveland L 13-14 Yes 6.0 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/29 @Pittsburgh L 31-34 Yes 10.0 6 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 6 6.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2002 Baltimore Ravens 16 142 103.0 39 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 4
2003 Baltimore Ravens 16 93 66.0 27 3 1 26 26.0 26 0 3
2004 Baltimore Ravens 16 96 55.0 41 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
TOTAL 64 337 230.0 107 6 1 26 26.0 26 0 7


Anybody know how to format this better?

Woodrow Call
03-10-2005, 12:40 PM
Here is the piece on inside the league

1. Free agent IB Edgerton Hartwell is very close to signing with the defense-poor Kansas City Chiefs. The soon-to-be-ex-Raven and his agent, Harold Lewis, are working on finalizing a deal that could be completed as early as tonight (Wednesday). However, St. Louis still hasnít given up on signing Hartwell and may make one last push. Weighing in the Chiefsí favor, however, is that Hartwell wants to play for Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.



Damn Lambs

Cochise
03-10-2005, 12:40 PM
Oh, I can't wait for all the thread bumping that will happen if this occurs.

eazyb81
03-10-2005, 12:40 PM
Ok, it appears as though Inside The League is a service of KFFL.

http://www.kffl.com/shop/buy/334

Yep, it's on KFFL when you go to the Hot Wire section. Sweet!

HolmeZz
03-10-2005, 12:40 PM
That thought has crossed my mind. Some have said he played very well when Ray Lewis was out. I wonder how long a period of time that was and against what teams.

I could be wrong, but I think Frankie was making fun of Lewis for complaining about being doubled team when he wasn't during our Monday Nighter last year. :)

BigRedChief
03-10-2005, 12:42 PM
on a side note I just stumpled upon Ed Hartwells home phone #, address and private email. For real . no BS.

Chiefs Pantalones
03-10-2005, 12:43 PM
Here is the piece on inside the league

1. Free agent IB Edgerton Hartwell is very close to signing with the defense-poor Kansas City Chiefs. The soon-to-be-ex-Raven and his agent, Harold Lewis, are working on finalizing a deal that could be completed as early as tonight (Wednesday). However, St. Louis still hasnít given up on signing Hartwell and may make one last push. Weighing in the Chiefsí favor, however, is that Hartwell wants to play for Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.



Damn Lambs

That's old news, then. Wednesday was yesterday, so they should be closer, hopefully.

HemiEd
03-10-2005, 12:43 PM
wasn't he miked for that game? Didn't he keep bitching that he was being double-teamed?


He was whining like a biatch, it was great. It was my observation that TRich was running over him and then letting Roaf have his fun with him. I missed the doubles if there were any, maybe there were some early. :p

Chiefnj
03-10-2005, 12:44 PM
That thought has crossed my mind. Some have said he played very well when Ray Lewis was out. I wonder how long a period of time that was and against what teams.

It was for almost a complete season in 2002. That season was the only season in recent history where the Ravens D dropped out of the top 10 in scoring and yards.

2001
Pts: 4
Yards: 4

2002
Pts: 19
yards: 22

2003
Pts: 6
yards: 4

To be fair to Hartwell, the rush D did have a good ypc.

Stinger
03-10-2005, 12:44 PM
on a side note I just stumpled upon Ed Hartwells home phone #, address and private email. For real . no BS.

Damnit man send over the hookers as a welcome gift!!!!!

ROYC75
03-10-2005, 12:44 PM
Here is the piece on inside the league

1. Free agent IB Edgerton Hartwell is very close to signing with the defense-poor Kansas City Chiefs. The soon-to-be-ex-Raven and his agent, Harold Lewis, are working on finalizing a deal that could be completed as early as tonight (Wednesday). However, St. Louis still hasnít given up on signing Hartwell and may make one last push. Weighing in the Chiefsí favor, however, is that Hartwell wants to play for Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.



Damn Lambs


It always helps when a player wans to be in a certain place.

ct
03-10-2005, 12:45 PM
wasn't he miked for that game? Didn't he keep bitching that he was being double-teamed?

Yes, a totally classic moment, captured by NFL Films to be remembered forever. I was just given props to Mer for bringing that up with the whole Ray Lewis being double-teamed so Ed looks better argument.

Hoover
03-10-2005, 12:45 PM
Inside the league = Phobia

Coach
03-10-2005, 12:45 PM
Here is the piece on inside the league

1. Free agent IB Edgerton Hartwell is very close to signing with the defense-poor Kansas City Chiefs. The soon-to-be-ex-Raven and his agent, Harold Lewis, are working on finalizing a deal that could be completed as early as tonight (Wednesday). However, St. Louis still hasnít given up on signing Hartwell and may make one last push. Weighing in the Chiefsí favor, however, is that Hartwell wants to play for Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.



Damn Lambs

:cuss: Keep your f*cking hands off of him, you ****ing lambs! 4321

BigRedChief
03-10-2005, 12:46 PM
Damnit man send over the hookers as a welcome gift!!!!!
Lets just say that I hope hes a better LB than a techie. I wasn't looking for anything but bam there it was.

Mile High Mania
03-10-2005, 12:47 PM
Damn... if the Rams sign him, that's 3 brand new FA starters for them.

ROYC75
03-10-2005, 12:49 PM
Damn... if the Rams sign him, that's 3 brand new FA starters for them.


4321

Cochise
03-10-2005, 12:50 PM
If only we didn't have The Playmaker in our division, then we might be safe.

bricks
03-10-2005, 12:53 PM
4321

Yeah exactly

Mile High Mania
03-10-2005, 12:56 PM
C'mon ... there was not a jab in that post by me, well not intentional anyway. I was just remarking that he would be the 3rd LB they sign this year via free agency.

Kind of odd.

KCTitus
03-10-2005, 12:58 PM
If this happens, Scanlon might lose his starting job for good...

DenverChief
03-10-2005, 12:59 PM
If this happens, Scanlon might lose his starting job for good... ROFL

Thig Lyfe
03-10-2005, 12:59 PM
If this happens, Scanlon might lose his starting job for good...

No, Vermeil will probably tell Hartwell that he'd have to compete with Scanlon for the starting job.

Coach
03-10-2005, 01:00 PM
If this happens, Scanlon might lose his starting job for good...

ROFL

HC_Chief
03-10-2005, 01:02 PM
If this happens, Scanlon might lose his starting job for good...

hehehe

It also means our LB corps is "fixed". at least, IMO. :D

tomahawk kid
03-10-2005, 01:03 PM
Where's kcnut when you need him?

Warrior5
03-10-2005, 01:04 PM
Where's kcnut when you need him?

No kidding...

Hey kcnut, SITREP, OVER!

beavis
03-10-2005, 01:16 PM
If this happens, Phobia gets a positive rep bomb.

Dr. Facebook Fever
03-10-2005, 01:16 PM
Chiefs | Hartwell Close to Signing? - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:55:49 -0800

Inside The League reports free agent LB Ed Hartwell (Ravens) is close to working out a deal with the Kansas City Chiefs.
DO NOT GETMY HOPES UP!!!!!!!


:cuss: :cuss:


I refuse to believe this until kcnut tells me it's a done deal....

dtebbe
03-10-2005, 01:17 PM
If this happens I will change my avatar to read
"I love Carl Peterson"

I will leave it there until Law and Surtain sign somewhere else.....

DT

BigRedChief
03-10-2005, 01:18 PM
If this happens, Phobia gets a positive rep bomb.

Maybe we can all chip in and get him season tickets? STFU

Warrior5
03-10-2005, 01:18 PM
my link to www.kcnut.com isn't working.

Mr. Laz
03-10-2005, 01:18 PM
no wonder the board crashed again. ROFL ROFL



FA feeding frenzy kills it every time


i'm glad carl has finally started to listen to me o:-)

If the chiefs are really serious about going to the super bowl they should sign Hartwell too AND the then keep Fujita.

why?

because if you want to win a super bowl you need to be great at one spot on either side of the ball. On the offensive side we are great at offensive line. On defense we aren't great anywhere.

i'm a HUGE cornerback homer... but that's not gonna work out, there's only 1 really good cornerback available. So lets just field and outstanding linebacker corps.

sign hartwell ... start hartwell,Bell,fujita .. hartwell has the speed to play outside. We also have the flexibility to stick beisel or mitchell out there and play a 3-4. It also gives us coverage in case bell has an injury again.


sign hartwell, draft a cornerback in round 1 AND 2

1st - carlos rogers
2nd - eric green

we'll be really young in the secondary, but our run defense should be outstanding.

put bartee,battle at free safety along with the rest of the million safeties and may the best man win.


but at least we will have SOMETHING to hang our hat on for the defense.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=111862&page=2

Frankie
03-10-2005, 01:19 PM
:cuss: Keep your f*cking hands off of him, you ****ing lambs! 4321

They just want to up his price for us. They haven't gotten over how they tried to screw us over the DV/Trent deal and instead they got screwed (using the draft choices they milked out of us.) ROFL

tomahawk kid
03-10-2005, 01:19 PM
If this happens, Phobia gets a positive rep bomb.

Yep.

This latest rumor is going to drive me nuts for the rest of the day.

BigRedChief
03-10-2005, 01:20 PM
no wonder the board crashed again. ROFL ROFL



FA feeding frenzy kills it every time


i'm glad carl has finally started to listen to me o:-)

Hey Hartwell has been on this boards radar screen since last year?

Chief Henry
03-10-2005, 01:21 PM
If this were to happen, I would have to give a few props to Carl Peterson. BUT, he still needs to be reminded about how the fricken New Orleans
Saints beat his team that he signed sealed and deliver'd last year.

I would be a much happier camper if hartwell
actually does sign witht he chiefs (this year)...

DaWolf
03-10-2005, 01:23 PM
This makes no sense. Even Carl said that they are turning their attention to other positions. How we can afford Hartwell, who is gonna want a larger contract than Bell, and still get a top corner is a mystery to me. And I've never heard of this "Inside the League."

1. Free agent IB Edgerton Hartwell is very close to signing with the defense-poor Kansas City Chiefs. The soon-to-be-ex-Raven and his agent, Harold Lewis, are working on finalizing a deal that could be completed as early as tonight (Wednesday). However, St. Louis still hasnít given up on signing Hartwell and may make one last push. Weighing in the Chiefsí favor, however, is that Hartwell wants to play for Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.

Sounds like the story is a day old anyway. Hope it is true, but I don't see it happening based on what the front office has said, unless they threw up a helluva smokescreen...

dtebbe
03-10-2005, 01:24 PM
If this were to happen, I would have to give a few props to Carl Peterson. BUT, he still needs to be reminded about how the fricken New Orleans
Saints beat his team that he signed sealed and deliver'd last year.

I would be a much happier camper if hartwell
actually does sign witht he chiefs (this year)...

I was pretty down about that Saints game (boy was I glad that I decided not to go!), but they beat a few quality teams down the stretch last year. They do have some good talent on offense.

DT

tomahawk kid
03-10-2005, 01:24 PM
Some joker over at the Star board just reported that Fox Sports is saying he's signed with the SeaHawks.

FWIW..... :banghead:

f#ck. Where's nut?

Kerberos
03-10-2005, 01:25 PM
I think Chiefsplanet just killed the hamster that runs their server by all clicking on it at once.

Glad they had a spare hamster in the closet for just such a problem.

DenverChief
03-10-2005, 01:25 PM
This makes no sense. Even Carl said that they are turning their attention to other positions. How we can afford Hartwell, who is gonna want a larger contract than Bell, and still get a top corner is a mystery to me. And I've never heard of this "Inside the League."



Sounds like the story is a day old anyway. Hope it is true, but I don't see it happening based on what the front office has said, unless they threw up a helluva smokescreen...

I think Hartwell will settle for less than he was originally asking cuz he is not getting many nibbles and he wants to be on a winning team...and that excludes Arizona and Miami

HolmeZz
03-10-2005, 01:26 PM
I also don't think he ever met with Seattle.

Mr. Laz
03-10-2005, 01:26 PM
How we can afford Hartwell, who is gonna want a larger contract than Bell, and still get a top corner is a mystery to me. And I've never heard of this "Inside the League."

if we sign hartwell i would imagine that means we would for cornerbacks in the draft instead of free agency.

maybe even the 1st and 2nd round(roger/green)

not ideal for the corner position but the only real good corner left is surtain and he wants a big contract and it will cost us a draft pick AND he reportedly has a degenerative knee condition.


good thing that the draft has good cornerback depth

Baby Lee
03-10-2005, 01:28 PM
I was pretty down about that Saints game (boy was I glad that I decided not to go!), but they beat a few quality teams down the stretch last year. They do have some good talent on offense.

DT
They beat the good teams and lost to the bad teams, a clear indication that execution was missing more than talent.

If Hartwell signs, I'm satisfied. Still a little burned up that the Rolle deal got fugged up [whether that was CP's fuggup or the medias remains unknown]. But gladdened to know that CP recovered from a situation that made the Hartwell signing even more difficult to pull the FA season out of the fire.

Baby Lee
03-10-2005, 01:30 PM
I think Hartwell will settle for less than he was originally asking cuz he is not getting many nibbles and he wants to be on a winning team...and that excludes Arizona and Miami
Look for Zona to be in the mix to win the NFCW down to the end in 05.

Stinger
03-10-2005, 01:30 PM
Some joker over at the Star board just reported that Fox Sports is saying he's signed with the SeaHawks.

FWIW..... :banghead:

f#ck. Where's nut?

nothing on the Seahawk website http://www.seahawks.com/Default.aspx or this forum http://mb10.scout.com/fseahawksinsiderfrm1

petegz28
03-10-2005, 01:31 PM
This makes no sense. Even Carl said that they are turning their attention to other positions. How we can afford Hartwell, who is gonna want a larger contract than Bell, and still get a top corner is a mystery to me. And I've never heard of this "Inside the League."



Sounds like the story is a day old anyway. Hope it is true, but I don't see it happening based on what the front office has said, unless they threw up a helluva smokescreen...

Well if you go look on KFFL you will see that "Inside the League" has their name on a ton of their postings.

HolmeZz
03-10-2005, 01:32 PM
nothing on the Seahawk website http://www.seahawks.com/Default.aspx or this forum http://mb10.scout.com/fseahawksinsiderfrm1

That's why he called him a joker. As I said, I don't think Hartwell even visited the Seabags.

DaWolf
03-10-2005, 01:36 PM
Well if you go look on KFFL you will see that "Inside the League" has their name on a ton of their postings.
Yeah but KFFL just reports what other sites are reporting. That doesn't mean "Inside the League" is accurate. But honestly, I have no idea. That site may have inside info and I've just missed hearing about it. I hope it is true, but I'm not expecting anything.

This would be very interesting if we did sign him though. Between Bell, Hartwell and Barber, we'd have a ton of money sunk into the LB position, which is a polar opposite of the stance the front office was taking back when Donnie was dumped, citing the Patriots at that time as a model for why you don't need high priced linebackers to be a good defense. Guess that's what happens when you can't draft...

beavis
03-10-2005, 01:37 PM
If Hartwell signs, I'm satisfied. Still a little burned up that the Rolle deal got fugged up [whether that was CP's fuggup or the medias remains unknown]. But gladdened to know that CP recovered from a situation that made the Hartwell signing even more difficult to pull the FA season out of the fire.
If he pulls a deal off for Hartwell, I'll take back a lot of the Carl bashing I've done over the last week. Still won't negate the fact that we desperately need a corner.

DenverChief
03-10-2005, 01:37 PM
Look for Zona to be in the mix to win the NFCW down to the end in 05.

Vick Hater

whoman69
03-10-2005, 01:40 PM
I'm surprised noone has mentioned the same article has Law visiting KC on Monday.

Mr. Laz
03-10-2005, 01:40 PM
This would be very interesting if we did sign him though. Between Bell, Hartwell and Barber, we'd have a ton of money sunk into the LB position, which is a polar opposite of the stance the front office was taking back when Donnie was dumped, citing the Patriots at that time as a model for why you don't need high priced linebackers to be a good defense. Guess that's what happens when you can't draft...
i believe the stance on LB's was primarily by Knob'son ... i guess maybe gunther feels different. :shrug:



the patriots don't need high price LB's or CB's etc. They have great coaching and a great system ... while we suck

petegz28
03-10-2005, 01:40 PM
Yeah but KFFL just reports what other sites are reporting. That doesn't mean "Inside the League" is accurate. But honestly, I have no idea. That site may have inside info and I've just missed hearing about it. I hope it is true, but I'm not expecting anything.

This would be very interesting if we did sign him though. Between Bell, Hartwell and Barber, we'd have a ton of money sunk into the LB position, which is a polar opposite of the stance the front office was taking back when Donnie was dumped, citing the Patriots at that time as a model for why you don't need high priced linebackers to be a good defense. Guess that's what happens when you can't draft...


I would rather have an elite LB corps with an average CB crew. LB's in my opinion make or break your defense. Just my opinion.

HolmeZz
03-10-2005, 01:42 PM
Yeah, great LB play makes your CBs look better than great CB play makes your LBs look. If that makes any sense.

MichaelH
03-10-2005, 01:44 PM
Yeah, great LB play makes your CBs look better than great CB play makes your LBs look. If that makes any sense.

It does. I've felt all along that the Chiefs need 3 good LB's. I hate to refer to the Patriots as a model but they prove it.

DaWolf
03-10-2005, 01:45 PM
i believe the stance on LB's was primarily by Knob'son ... i guess maybe gunther feels different. :shrug:

the patriots don't need high price LB's or CB's etc. They have great coaching and a great system ... while we suck

No doubt Gun wants physical linebackers who can hit and get to the ball. This would accomplish that, plus giving us a steady MLB in Hartwell and allowing for a guy who could move around and do different things including rushing the passer in Bell.

Problem for Gun is he still needs corners who can play press coverage. We don't have that yet...

petegz28
03-10-2005, 01:47 PM
Yeah, great LB play makes your CBs look better than great CB play makes your LBs look. If that makes any sense.

Actually it does because it allows the Safety's to stay back or be even more effective if you bring one up.

Frankie
03-10-2005, 01:48 PM
If he pulls a deal off for Hartwell, I'll take back a lot of the Carl bashing I've done over the last week.
That does it... Carl has his incentive now. :thumb:

Baby Lee
03-10-2005, 01:49 PM
Vick Hater
Umm

Hawks [NOT Falcons]
9ers [NOT Falcons]
Rams [NOT Falcons]
Cards [NOT Falcons]

Bill Lundberg
03-10-2005, 01:50 PM
:)

InChiefsHell
03-10-2005, 01:56 PM
:)

Wow...no way anyone could describe this dude as small...

Mr. Laz
03-10-2005, 01:59 PM
Problem for Gun is he still needs corners who can play press coverage. We don't have that yet...

oh i agree... i wanted improvement at cornerback really bad myself, but most of the difference makers at cornerback are gone now.

surtain .... and then a bunch of 2nd/3rd tier guys.


i'd rather us to get playmakers on defense ... not just grab some dink just because he plays cornerback.

at least we have a chance to have 1 level of our defense be great.


cross our fingers and hope we get some young corners in the draft.

KCTitus
03-10-2005, 02:01 PM
Im beginning to think that this Inside the League outfit is one of Pro Football Talk's shell companies or something.

ARROW2
03-10-2005, 02:01 PM
That does it... Carl has his incentive now. :thumb:





PLEASE, SHUT ME UP CARL! I'M BEGGING YOU!! I have already stated that I would take it all back if he starts signing muthaphukkas.....

Cochise
03-10-2005, 02:03 PM
Wow...no way anyone could describe this dude as small...

He looks like he almost has the size to play defensive end.

Gravedigger
03-10-2005, 02:04 PM
Did you see that surtain is being contacted by the colts though and edgerrin james is on the trading block as well so that's bad news for us cause miami really needs a running back and indianapolis needs a defense almost as bad as we do. I'd rather have law but surtain is second on my list

Chan93lx50
03-10-2005, 02:12 PM
Who fired this crack pipe dream up again?

I will believe it when I see it!

DenverChief
03-10-2005, 02:12 PM
Umm

Hawks [NOT Falcons]
9ers [NOT Falcons]
Rams [NOT Falcons]
Cards [NOT Falcons]

Oh yeah....umm...Hasselbeck hater!...er um Bulger hater!

InChiefsHell
03-10-2005, 02:14 PM
Did you see that surtain is being contacted by the colts though and edgerrin james is on the trading block as well so that's bad news for us cause miami really needs a running back and indianapolis needs a defense almost as bad as we do.

Dang, that's one long sentence there, sparky! :)

I think Law is more believable anyway, as far as us getting a decent CB. I bet Surtain signs somewhere this weekend, leaving only Law, who comes to visit us on Monday. We'll sign him Tuesday. Hopefully...

Chief Henry
03-10-2005, 02:15 PM
PLEASE, SHUT ME UP CARL! I'M BEGGING YOU!! I have already stated that I would take it all back if he starts signing muthaphukkas.....


It won't shut me up. Look how old the offense is getting and he's just NOW fixing the defense. He's made tons of mistakes. TONS.
But if he gets Hartwell, that will help our defense alot. I just hope our
offense doesn't go belly up and we waisted it.

No I'm not negative, I'm actually a VERY positive person. Just
realizing how :cuss: many mistakes Peterson has made and it all came to a head last year down in new orleans.

ct
03-10-2005, 02:25 PM
It won't shut me up. Look how old the offense is getting and he's just NOW fixing the defense. He's made tons of mistakes. TONS.
But if he gets Hartwell, that will help our defense alot. I just hope our
offense doesn't go belly up and we waisted it.

No I'm not negative, I'm actually a VERY positive person. Just
realizing how :cuss: many mistakes Peterson has made and it all came to a head last year down in new orleans.

Another Planet spelling I didn't know of?

whoman69
03-10-2005, 02:27 PM
It won't shut me up. Look how old the offense is getting and he's just NOW fixing the defense. He's made tons of mistakes. TONS.
But if he gets Hartwell, that will help our defense alot. I just hope our
offense doesn't go belly up and we waisted it.

No I'm not negative, I'm actually a VERY positive person. Just
realizing how :cuss: many mistakes Peterson has made and it all came to a head last year down in new orleans.
The glass is half full, but it should have been refilled along time ago. Is this the new school of optimistic thought?

TRR
03-10-2005, 02:28 PM
I'll believe it when I see it. I think signing Hartwell is VERY doubtful.

buddha
03-10-2005, 02:28 PM
Yeah, great LB play makes your CBs look better than great CB play makes your LBs look. If that makes any sense.

I understand what you're saying, but it's not necessarily so. If a team has two, very good shut down corners, you can do so many more things up front...blitz packages that the Chiefs could never dream of running given the Willie Bartee factor.

Lzen
03-10-2005, 02:28 PM
Lets just say that I hope hes a better LB than a techie. I wasn't looking for anything but bam there it was.

Well don't just sit there. Get on the phone and start working him.
:)

penchief
03-10-2005, 02:36 PM
No, Vermeil will probably tell Hartwell that he'd have to compete with Scanlon for the starting job.

That's funny. I heard that he was gonna be placed on the inactive roster until he learned how to block and play special teams.

Chief Henry
03-10-2005, 02:38 PM
The glass is half full, but it should have been refilled along time ago. Is this the new school of optimistic thought?


Don't know if its the new school of enlightment? I just know CP has waisted this offense and i for one am a very bitter fan. He's just jerked my chain too many times. I don't like his condisending SMUG-like attitude towards us fans and players.

I doubt if hartwell becomes a CHIEF. I'm in the wait and see camp.

BigRedChief
03-10-2005, 02:39 PM
Well don't just sit there. Get on the phone and start working him.
:)

A techie taking advantage of the tech skills of a big bad ass NFL LB? Not a good life choice.:shake:

Bill Lundberg
03-10-2005, 02:39 PM
Taken from espn message board.

A source told Scout.com and Warpaint Illustrated ten minutes ago that the Chiefs have a standing offer on the table for Ed Hartwell and that he has to accept it soon or the Chiefs are going to move on and I can't blame them. He needs to decide very quickly or the offer could be pulled.

He can choose to play for the Chiefs or take his services to either the Bengals, Cardinals or Dolphins. Nobody else is interested and in my opinion he won't get that $10-12 million SB he wants. Now he might get the guaranted money but not all of it up front.

siberian khatru
03-10-2005, 02:41 PM
He can choose to play for the Chiefs or take his services to either the Bengals, Cardinals or Dolphins.

Well, so much for 16 teams banging on his door.

HolmeZz
03-10-2005, 02:44 PM
Cards low-balled him apparently and I don't see him going there. Miami and Hartwell's agent have already said they never made an offer. Cincy contacted Hartwell from reports, but I don't think they're even close to getting anything done.

Chief Henry
03-10-2005, 02:46 PM
Cards low-balled him apparently and I don't see him going there. Miami and Hartwell's agent have already said they never made an offer. Cincy contacted Hartwell from reports, but I don't think they're even close to getting anything done.


I hope your right.

tk13
03-10-2005, 02:52 PM
Cards low-balled him apparently and I don't see him going there. Miami and Hartwell's agent have already said they never made an offer. Cincy contacted Hartwell from reports, but I don't think they're even close to getting anything done.
Perfect, he has no leverage. I can see Carl sitting at the negotiation table now....

Carl: Oooooh Eddie.... imagine each of these dollar bills are a million dollars of signing bonus.... Oh look, 7 million, but you haven't signed with me yet. Oopsies! You just lost a dollar bill! Only 6 million left. Are you sure you don't want to sign? Oh look, there goes another dollar, back to its home in my wallet. Shucks. Now you only have 5 million in signing bonus....

Ed: I'll sign! I'll sign!

Carl: Then STFU & STFC! (sign the f'ing contract)

Ed: Yes sir.

Carl: Denny, get me my sequin cape, we're going down to Denny's to celebrate.

ROYC75
03-10-2005, 02:54 PM
Taken from espn message board.

A source told Scout.com and Warpaint Illustrated ten minutes ago that the Chiefs have a standing offer on the table for Ed Hartwell and that he has to accept it soon or the Chiefs are going to move on and I can't blame them. He needs to decide very quickly or the offer could be pulled.

He can choose to play for the Chiefs or take his services to either the Bengals, Cardinals or Dolphins. Nobody else is interested and in my opinion he won't get that $10-12 million SB he wants. Now he might get the guaranted money but not all of it up front.


Yep, CP is still playing hardball in the football off season. :rolleyes:

Bill Lundberg
03-10-2005, 02:56 PM
The more I think about this the more it pisses me off. WTF is "close" wasn't he "close" to making a decision Tuesday night. I even read where he was going to make an announcement in "a couple" of hours on Tuesday. Now here it is Thursday, no decision, but he's F***in "CLOSE"!

Rausch
03-10-2005, 02:59 PM
Perfect, he has no leverage. I can see Carl sitting at the negotiation table now....

Carl: Oooooh Eddie.... imagine each of these dollar bills are a million dollars of signing bonus.... Oh look, 7 million, but you haven't signed with me yet. Oopsies! You just lost a dollar bill! Only 6 million left. Are you sure you don't want to sign? Oh look, there goes another dollar, back to its home in my wallet. Shucks. Now you only have 5 million in signing bonus....

Ed: I'll sign! I'll sign!

Carl: Then STFU & STFC! (sign the f'ing contract)

Ed: Yes sir.

Carl: Denny, get me my sequin cape, we're going down to Denny's to celebrate. ROFL

keg in kc
03-10-2005, 03:00 PM
Yeah, right.

ROYC75
03-10-2005, 03:07 PM
If Carl demands it in the wrong way, Eddie might just turn and run elsewhere...

Chan93lx50
03-10-2005, 03:08 PM
The more I think about this the more it pisses me off. WTF is "close" wasn't he "close" to making a decision Tuesday night. I even read where he was going to make an announcement in "a couple" of hours on Tuesday. Now here it is Thursday, no decision, but he's F***in "CLOSE"!

Close as in I was so close in f*cking that hot chick last night, but I didnt

IT DONT MEAN SHIT

Valiant
03-10-2005, 03:16 PM
Dang, that's one long sentence there, sparky! :)

I think Law is more believable anyway, as far as us getting a decent CB. I bet Surtain signs somewhere this weekend, leaving only Law, who comes to visit us on Monday. We'll sign him Tuesday. Hopefully...



for the money i am still wanting dyson and another lb(hartwell) over law...

HC_Chief
03-10-2005, 03:20 PM
for the money i am still wanting dyson and another lb(hartwell) over law...

I want Dyson, Hartwell AND Law. It's possible... anything is possible. It just takes work.

BTW, I spoke to some clients today who are big Titans fans (Nashville-based client) - they all really like Dyson. Said two years ago they were a bit leary because he'd make a rook mistake (couple of years ago he was a sophomore NFL CB); but he has continually improved.

And, yes, they were pissed about KC blowing the Rolle deal. I guess they (TN fans) HATE B'More... dunno why. :shrug:

J Diddy
03-10-2005, 03:22 PM
Close as in I was so close in f*cking that hot chick last night, but I didnt

IT DONT MEAN SHIT

or close as in thats because she left with me....

:)

Chief Henry
03-10-2005, 03:23 PM
Perfect, he has no leverage. I can see Carl sitting at the negotiation table now....

Carl: Oooooh Eddie.... imagine each of these dollar bills are a million dollars of signing bonus.... Oh look, 7 million, but you haven't signed with me yet. Oopsies! You just lost a dollar bill! Only 6 million left. Are you sure you don't want to sign? Oh look, there goes another dollar, back to its home in my wallet. Shucks. Now you only have 5 million in signing bonus....

Ed: I'll sign! I'll sign!

Carl: Then STFU & STFC! (sign the f'ing contract)

Ed: Yes sir.

Carl: Denny, get me my sequin cape, we're going down to Denny's to celebrate.



I think thats funny too ROFL

Chiefnj
03-10-2005, 04:43 PM
I'll be pissed if the Chiefs make a deal with Hartwell and then Jamie Sharper is released by the Texans a few days later.

Chief Henry
03-10-2005, 04:55 PM
I'll be pissed if the Chiefs make a deal with Hartwell and then Jamie Sharper is released by the Texans a few days later.


Is Sharper better than Hartwell or what?

chiefsfolife
03-10-2005, 05:02 PM
I've never been as excited about Hartwell as the rest of you. Call it a gut feeling. And I hope I'm wrong. Isn't he kind of small for MLB?

da hell is wrong wit dis guy

matts22
03-10-2005, 05:21 PM
I'll be pissed if the Chiefs make a deal with Hartwell and then Jamie Sharper is released by the Texans a few days later.

Why would you be pissed about this? Sharper is good, but you can't bank on that happening (his release). Hartwell is a stud and a leader -- both of which we need on this defense.

And you guys that would rather get a stud CB: WHY??? Get a decent guy and a rookie, and get a guy like Hartwell! You would be amazed how much our pass defense would improve if our CB's and safeties didn't have to worry about run support.

buddha
03-10-2005, 05:31 PM
If you think Sharper is going to get released, then why not contact the Texans and give them something nominal for him? That's how you settle the issue...or is the talk about releasing him just talk?

CoMoChief
03-10-2005, 05:33 PM
Hey Planet my names Eric and Im new to this whole Chiefs planet thing, but Im looking forward to discuss current issues with the Chiefs along with other issues in sports. By the way that link says nothing about Hartwell and the Chiefs close to signing a deal.

Chiefnj
03-10-2005, 05:40 PM
Here is the situation with Sharper:

"Linebackers Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman have asked the Texans to keep them from hanging in limbo for too long according to a televised report by KRIV-TV in Houston. Both had been told by the Texans to seek a trade late last week.

"If in the next couple days I can't (be traded), I would like for the Texans to release me," Sharper said via phone to the television station.

The station added that Sharper said he would have been willing to restructure his contract if it meant staying with the Texans.

"I was figuring I was going to be staying with the Texans for the rest of my career up until this past Friday."

Sharper told the station that general manager Charley Casserly told him to seek a draft pick in return for his trade, even if it takes up until the college draft in late April. "


For those wondering if Sharper is better than Hartwell, yes he's much better. His last three years with the Texans he has 296 tackles, 11.5 sacks and 18 PDs.

beer bacon
03-10-2005, 05:43 PM
Hey Planet my names Eric and Im new to this whole Chiefs planet thing, but Im looking forward to discuss current issues with the Chiefs along with other issues in sports. By the way that link says nothing about Hartwell and the Chiefs close to signing a deal.

What link, the www.kffl.com? The link doesn't go right to the update. By now a bunch of newer news has been posted and you have to go to the 2nd page in the fresh off the wire NFL section to find it.

HemiEd
03-10-2005, 05:47 PM
Get a decent guy and a rookie, and get a guy like Hartwell! You would be amazed how much our pass defense would improve if our CB's and safeties didn't have to worry about run support.


I think this has some merit, :hmmm:

Bill Lundberg
03-10-2005, 05:47 PM
Hey Planet my names Eric and Im new to this whole Chiefs planet thing, but Im looking forward to discuss current issues with the Chiefs along with other issues in sports. By the way that link says nothing about Hartwell and the Chiefs close to signing a deal.


Nice flower eric... Just kidding. Welcome aboard.

CoMoChief
03-10-2005, 05:56 PM
I kind of thought that the actual saying "Pink on the Inside" would actually be posted under the picture but I guess not and in return I look like a fag.

Baby Lee
03-10-2005, 05:57 PM
I kind of thought that the actual saying "Pink on the Inside" would actually be posted under the picture but I guess not and in return I look like a fag.
A self-effacing noob, I like this guy.

beer bacon
03-10-2005, 05:58 PM
I kind of thought that the actual saying "Pink on the Inside" would actually be posted under the picture but I guess not and in return I look like a fag.

You look like a beautiful pink flower to me.

CoMoChief
03-10-2005, 06:05 PM
Does anyone know how much Sharper(LB) is asking for? If by any chance we could get him that would be great, he is a much better LB than Hartwell. Is anyone agree with the Sammy Knight issue coming in to KC? I have a feeling that his good days are over considering he played with 7 other pro bowlers on that Miami defense, which only makes him better. Im kind of a Wesley/Woods fan I even though they had down seasons last year (possibly b/c of injuries) I think they are still one of the best Safety Combos in the NFL. Its just our corners make them look bad.

beer bacon
03-10-2005, 06:07 PM
I think all that is being said now is that the Texans want a "mid round pick" for him. Let me see if i can find the article I read on him.

philfree
03-10-2005, 06:16 PM
I would think Sharper becoming available might make it esier to get a deal done with Hartwell.

Don't we have 3 5th round picks? Give'm a couple 5th rounders for Sharper and be done with it.


PhilFree :arrow:

Logical
03-10-2005, 06:21 PM
I would rather have an elite LB corps with an average CB crew. LB's in my opinion make or break your defense. Just my opinion.Problem is we have horrid CBs except maybe Warfield who might be average.

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 06:23 PM
Problem is we have horrid CBs except maybe Warfield who might be average.
We should have room for 2 more Average free agents. So we could pick up Herndon and Knight for example.

CHIEF4EVER
03-10-2005, 06:25 PM
IF Peterson manages somehow to get Hartwell, I will be more than willing to eat a HUGE portion of steaming hot crow (and retract my previous grade of his offseason to date).

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 06:26 PM
IF Peterson manages somehow to get Hartwell, I will be more than willing to eat a HUGE portion of steaming hot crow (and retract my previous grade of his offseason to date).
Werent you the idiot whogave him a D or something?

CHIEF4EVER
03-10-2005, 06:29 PM
Werent you the idiot whogave him a D or something?

No, I was the POSTER who gave him a D and I stand by it until he gets at least 1 more difference making free agent on this team.

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 06:29 PM
No, I was the POSTER who gave him a D and I stand by it until he gets at least 1 more difference making free agent on this team.

Really? I gave him an A+. Most of the points for which you gave him a D are invalid, fwiw.

Coach
03-10-2005, 06:30 PM
WTF is kcnut?

CHIEF4EVER
03-10-2005, 06:31 PM
Really? I gave him an A+. Most of the points for which you gave him a D are invalid, fwiw.

In YOUR opinion sir.

alpha_omega
03-10-2005, 06:33 PM
Problem is we have horrid CBs except maybe Warfield who might be average.

Yep! Hartwell would be nice...but we still need a CB.
I would have to say...


Carl...Keep your eye on the ball...(something your current CB's can't do)

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 06:33 PM
In YOUR opinion sir.
So us not getting the chance to court fred smoot is an F-.
So us not having the capspace to pay Rolle 12 mil in the first year of his contract is an F-.
Kendrell Bell, who has undergone and passed an extensive physical, and who has the potential to be the best LBer in the NFL is a C.

:shake:

Mr. Kotter
03-10-2005, 06:37 PM
WTF is kcnut?

Dang noob. :shake:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=849

The nut man is a CP legend.... :thumb:

;)

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 06:38 PM
Dang noob. :shake:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=849

The nut man is a CP legend.... :thumb:

;)
A legend? A LEGEND?!





























He's THE legend!

CHIEF4EVER
03-10-2005, 06:39 PM
So us not getting the chance to court fred smoot is an F-.
So us not having the capspace to pay Rolle 12 mil in the first year of his contract is an F-.
Kendrell Bell, who has undergone and passed an extensive physical, and who has the potential to be the best LBer in the NFL is a C.

:shake:

More effort could have been made to get Smoot. If Peterson REALLY wanted him, he would have found a way. Insofar as Rolle goes, the deal should and could have been structured to enable us coming to terms with him. According to the FO, money wasn't the sticking point....his "condition" was. We signed a (admittedly excellent) LB (when healthy) who has a history of injury in all but his rookie year so the "C" in question is more of a "show me I am wrong" grade than anything else. Overall, signing a LB who missed all but 3 games last year as the ONLY improvement to our D earns the same grade THUS FAR in the offseason.....a D.

ceebz
03-10-2005, 06:41 PM
So us not getting the chance to court fred smoot is an F-.
So us not having the capspace to pay Rolle 12 mil in the first year of his contract is an F-.
Kendrell Bell, who has undergone and passed an extensive physical, and who has the potential to be the best LBer in the NFL is a C.

:shake:


That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Coach
03-10-2005, 06:43 PM
Dang noob. :shake:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=849

The nut man is a CP legend.... :thumb:

;)

:p

I meant to say Where, not Who. :D

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 06:43 PM
More effort could have been made to get Smoot. If Peterson REALLY wanted him, he would have found a way. Insofar as Rolle goes, the deal should and could have been structured to enable us coming to terms with him. According to the FO, money wasn't the sticking point....his "condition" was. We signed a (admittedly excellent) LB (when healthy) who has a history of injury in all but his rookie year so the "C" in question is more of a "show me I am wrong" grade than anything else. Overall, signing a LB who missed all but 3 games last year as the ONLY improvement to our D earns the same grade THUS FAR in the offseason.....a D.
Why would we REALLY want an unproven CB like Smoot for 10 mil SB?
Plus we were investigating Rolle as an option and the Smoot deal was practically done by the time Rolle went elsewhere. Speaking of injury hazards, Rolle has been on the injury list 31 out of 64 weeks. That makes me want to pay him a 14 mil SB. Hmm? And you're worried about Bell, who had a HERNIA from pressing himself too hard?

CHIEF4EVER
03-10-2005, 06:57 PM
Speaking of injury hazards, Rolle has been on the injury list 31 out of 64 weeks.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4305/injuries.html

Try 31 times out of 112 weeks and he only missed 11 games.

J Diddy
03-10-2005, 06:58 PM
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

no, bell will rule the world.

you'll see.

the Talking Can
03-10-2005, 06:59 PM
Why would we REALLY want an unproven CB like Smoot for 10 mil SB?
Plus we were investigating Rolle as an option and the Smoot deal was practically done by the time Rolle went elsewhere. Speaking of injury hazards, Rolle has been on the injury list 31 out of 64 weeks. That makes me want to pay him a 14 mil SB. Hmm? And you're worried about Bell, who had a HERNIA from pressing himself too hard?

you can make excuses for anything...how many NFL players show up on injury lists week and week and play anyways? Roaf, Wesley, Gonzo played with a broken foot etc...that's just a lame rationalization by a CHEAP franchise...they could have signed Rolle prior to Baltimore calling on Friday, but they'd rather quibble over pennies...they then made no serious attempt at Smoot- who is not unproven, that's just ridiculous- and let Baxter and Lucas pass without a glance..the bottom line is they're not going to pay what a top CB costs...they'll sign Law (which is fine by me) becuase his foot makes him cheap, just like they signed Bell whose injury history gave KC leverage....

$10 mill for Smoot is nothing, that's less than most top corners sign for....but I guess you're happy with signing a PROVEN(??) CB like Herndon.

We'll get some players. But we'll do it our way: high risk for low price (cheap).

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 07:03 PM
you can make excuses for anything...how many NFL players show up on injury lists week and week and play anyways? Roaf, Wesley, Gonzo played with a broken foot etc...that's just a lame rationalization by a CHEAP franchise...they could have signed Rolle prior to Baltimore calling on Friday, but they'd rather quibble over pennies...they then made no serious attempt at Smoot- who is not unproven, that's just ridiculous- and let Baxter and Lucas pass without a glance..the bottom line is they're not going to pay what a top CB costs...they'll sign Law (which is fine by me) becuase his foot makes him cheap, just like they signed Bell whose injury history gave KC leverage....

$10 mill for Smoot is nothing, that's less than most top corners sign for....but I guess you're happy with signing a PROVEN(??) CB like Herndon.

We'll get some players. But we'll do it our way: high risk for low price (cheap).
I wouldnt say Herndon is proven. but hes not asking for a 10 mil SB either. :shrug: I dunno, usually a spinal condition makes me back off a player. So does a knee thing. But both in one player? Thats a risk. Unfortunately, we didnt deal with Lucas or Baxter or Smoot early enough. I don't know why. *still not sold on smoot* If we sign Ty Law to any sort of ridiculous contract, I am going to drop CPs FA grade a letter.

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 07:05 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4305/injuries.html

Try 31 times out of 112 weeks and he only missed 11 games.
My bad... 31 out of the LAST 64 weeks.

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 07:06 PM
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
No.

Inspector
03-10-2005, 07:10 PM
Just get this over with and get some corners.

Maybe we'll have a hell of a season afterall.

I can't think about it too much. The offseason seems to drag on worse and worse each year. I have to keep diverting my thoughts or I'll go nuts....

MichaelH
03-10-2005, 07:12 PM
Just get this over with and get some corners.

Maybe we'll have a hell of a season afterall.

I can't think about it too much. The offseason seems to drag on worse and worse each year. I have to keep diverting my thoughts or I'll go nuts....

Ain't it great! :)

ceebz
03-10-2005, 07:24 PM
No.

He's had one good season in 4 years, even though he was in a LB friendly system but, he has the potential to be the best?

You feel the same way when he was wearing black and gold?

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 07:28 PM
He's had one good season in 4 years, even though he was in a LB friendly system but, he has the potential to be the best?

You feel the same way when he was wearing black and gold?
In the two years he played all 16 games:

Year Total Tackles Assists Sacks
2001 83 70.0 13 9
2003 99 80.0 19 5

And thats with lots of good defensive players around him. I mean, he could collect like 120 tackles with the chiefs.

LiL stumppy
03-10-2005, 07:29 PM
I hope this signing happens soon.

ceebz
03-10-2005, 07:32 PM
In the two years he played all 16 games:

Year Total Tackles Assists Sacks
2001 83 70.0 13 9
2003 99 80.0 19 5

And thats with lots of good defensive players around him. I mean, he could collect like 120 tackles with the chiefs.


So 120 tackles is "Best in the NFL"? http://justinmg.home.comcast.net/forums/gsindifferent.gif

I've watched just about every game Bell's played in his NFL career, and he's not that impressive. He's a good blitzer, and he takes on blocks pretty well but, other than that, meh.

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 07:33 PM
So 120 tackles is "Best in the NFL"? http://justinmg.home.comcast.net/forums/gsindifferent.gif

I've watched just about every game Bell's played in his NFL career, and he's not that impressive. He's a good blitzer, and he takes on blocks pretty well but, other than that, meh.
Nope, but he could get quite a few sacks in Gunther's scheme.

Count Alex's Losses
03-10-2005, 07:34 PM
So 120 tackles is "Best in the NFL"? http://justinmg.home.comcast.net/forums/gsindifferent.gif

I've watched just about every game Bell's played in his NFL career, and he's not that impressive. He's a good blitzer, and he takes on blocks pretty well but, other than that, meh.

It's not all about racking up tackles. Maz had 160 one year, and our D sucked.

Also getting 99 tackles in a 3-4 is more impressive than if he was playing in a 4-3.

eazyb81
03-10-2005, 07:36 PM
So 120 tackles is "Best in the NFL"? http://justinmg.home.comcast.net/forums/gsindifferent.gif

I've watched just about every game Bell's played in his NFL career, and he's not that impressive. He's a good blitzer, and he takes on blocks pretty well but, other than that, meh.

Well, he has played 2 full seasons in the NFL. In each of those seasons he was a Pro Bowler. So, I don't think it is that much of a stretch to call him one of the best LBs in the league when healthy.

Nightfyre
03-10-2005, 07:37 PM
It's not all about racking up tackles. Maz had 160 one year, and our D sucked.

Also getting 99 tackles in a 3-4 is more impressive than if he was playing in a 4-3.
Our D sucks, but Bell improves if by bringing all sorts of athleticism and power to it. With Hartwell, it would free Bell up to blitz a lot more. :shrug:

ceebz
03-10-2005, 07:37 PM
It's not all about racking up tackles. Maz had 160 one year, and our D sucked.

Also getting 99 tackles in a 3-4 is more impressive than if he was playing in a 4-3.

I disagree. Bell's played the 30 his whole career, if he was that good, his tackles would equal farrior's. But, they don't.

Secondly, everyone brings up his sacks. He ain't gonna get 5+ sacks playing MLB in a 4-3.

Count Alex's Losses
03-10-2005, 07:42 PM
I disagree. Bell's played the 30 his whole career, if he was that good, his tackles would equal farrior's. But, they don't.

Secondly, everyone brings up his sacks. He ain't gonna get 5+ sacks playing MLB in a 4-3.

He's gonna be the OLB if we sign Hartwell.

ceebz
03-10-2005, 07:53 PM
He's gonna be the OLB if we sign Hartwell.

Says who? Hartwell will be your SSB. He doesn't have the range to play MLB in a 4-3.

Rausch
03-10-2005, 08:03 PM
Are we there yet?...

HolmeZz
03-10-2005, 08:18 PM
Shut the hell up, ceebz. I'm sick of hearing your crap.

milkman
03-10-2005, 08:21 PM
Says who? Hartwell will be your SSB. He doesn't have the range to play MLB in a 4-3.

You're joking right?

For a man of 250 pounds, he's pretty damn fast, has a nose for the ball,
is a hard hitter, and most importantly, a sure tackler.

Those are quailities I want in my MLB.

Bell is a little faster, and a little more athletic, and like Hartwell, is a hard hitter.

His weakness is he lacks pass coverage skills, as does Hartwell.
But that can be worked on and improved, and they both are out to prove something.

These guys can be the difference makers, and leaders, this D needs.

Dammit Carl, get Edgerton signed! :cuss:

Spicy McHaggis
03-10-2005, 08:22 PM
Says who? Hartwell will be your SSB. He doesn't have the range to play MLB in a 4-3.

Hartwell doesn't have the range to be a MLB?? Huh?

keg in kc
03-10-2005, 08:24 PM
Sooo, apparently you need less range to be a sam in the 4-3 than a mike. :hmmm:

tk13
03-10-2005, 08:25 PM
So 120 tackles is "Best in the NFL"? http://justinmg.home.comcast.net/forums/gsindifferent.gif

I've watched just about every game Bell's played in his NFL career, and he's not that impressive. He's a good blitzer, and he takes on blocks pretty well but, other than that, meh.
What's this? Over on the Herndon thread you thought stats didn't matter... now I come over and read this...

milkman
03-10-2005, 08:26 PM
Hartwell doesn't have the range to be a MLB?? Huh?

I don't think ceebz has ever watched football.

I have yet to see one intelligient post from him.

He had probably never heard of Hartwell until his name started popping up in some of our FA wish lists.

Rausch
03-10-2005, 08:29 PM
He had probably never heard of Hartwell until his name started popping up in some of our FA wish lists.

I know he didn't hear it when we played Bmore last year...

chiefsfolife
03-10-2005, 08:31 PM
donkey fans are looking for just about anything to say bad bout these guys...bottom line their both better than any of their linebackers...what bout plummer..lol

milkman
03-10-2005, 08:33 PM
I know he didn't hear it when we played Bmore last year...

Well our O-Line, and T-Rich did a number on those guys in that game, but for what it's worth, Hartwell didn't look like he got abused nearly as badly as Ray-Ray.

beer bacon
03-10-2005, 08:33 PM
donkey fans are looking for just about anything to say bad bout these guys...bottom line their both better than any of their linebackers...what bout plummer..lol

I don't know about that. Al Wilson and DJ are both pretty good.

Coach
03-10-2005, 08:33 PM
Well gee Ceebz, I wonder, do you think we should try to trade away Trent Green for Jake Plummer? :rolleyes:

nychief
03-10-2005, 08:34 PM
who cares Hartwell is going to the desert,

beer bacon
03-10-2005, 08:34 PM
who cares Hartwell is going to the desert,

If Hartwell doesn't go to KC I think he is going to a darkhorse. It sounds like Arizona and Hartwell are way off on $$.

Woodrow Call
03-10-2005, 08:37 PM
If Hartwell doesn't go to KC I think he is going to a darkhorse. It sounds like Arizona and Hartwell are way off on $$.

St Louis or Oakland would be my guess.

Chiefnj
03-10-2005, 08:37 PM
Why would we REALLY want an unproven CB like Smoot for 10 mil SB?
Plus we were investigating Rolle as an option and the Smoot deal was practically done by the time Rolle went elsewhere. Speaking of injury hazards, Rolle has been on the injury list 31 out of 64 weeks. That makes me want to pay him a 14 mil SB. Hmm? And you're worried about Bell, who had a HERNIA from pressing himself too hard?

1. Smoot is not unproven. He's been a starter for at least the last three years on a team that has almost always had a top 10 pass defense. They had a top 10 pass D this past year even after losing Bailey.

2. Rolle was done with KC by Friday night. Smoot didn't sign with Minnesota until days later.

Cochise
03-10-2005, 08:37 PM
This is frickin hilarious. An F- for not pursuing the 4th or 5th CB available.

ceebz
03-10-2005, 08:38 PM
Well gee Ceebz, I wonder, do you think we should try to trade away Trent Green for Jake Plummer? :rolleyes:

Huh? Where the hell did that come from?


No, I don't think Herndon is good enough to make this defense better.

No, I don't think Bell is "potentionally the best bLB in the NFL when healthy".

Why is that such a crime?

And yes, you need more 'range' as a MLB than a SSB in the 4-3.

J Diddy
03-10-2005, 08:41 PM
Huh? Where the hell did that come from?


No, I don't think Herndon is good enough to make this defense better.

No, I don't think Bell is "potentionally the best bLB in the NFL when healthy".

Why is that such a crime?

And yes, you need more 'range' as a MLB than a SSB in the 4-3.


So you think bartee/mccleon are better than herndon. Why do you feel you need more range in a 4-3?

ceebz
03-10-2005, 08:44 PM
So you think bartee/mccleon are better than herndon. Why do you feel you need more range in a 4-3?


I'm not saying dumb and bumber are better than Herndon. Herndon is a complementary player. I think we have enough of those in the secondary.

Uh, there's less linebackers?