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keg in kc
03-16-2005, 01:29 AM
Law has a foot in KC's door (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/11144607.htm)

Chiefs remain cautious because of star's injury

By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star
Posted on Wed, Mar. 16, 2005

From the moment he was met at Kansas City International Airport by Dick Vermeil, Ty Law tried to gauge whether he could be happy playing cornerback for the Chiefs.

Shortly before departing town Tuesday, Law declared his best estimate to be an unqualified “yes.”

“Just the reading I got from being here, this is definitely an organization I can see myself playing for,” Law said while meeting with the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium. “I definitely think (the Chiefs) have the necessary ingredients.

“One of the things I experienced today was the family-type atmosphere. It's not fake. Sometimes you hear some things, and it's like, ‘You can't be serious, man.' But coach Vermeil is the most genuine coach I've seen. He cares about you as a person.

“He picked me up at the airport in his personal car. The conversation we had on the way back, you can tell if it's real. I definitely thought it was real. If it wasn't real, he should get an Oscar.”

Vermeil likewise was impressed by Law, a four-time Pro Bowler. But Vermeil echoed statements from president/general manager Carl Peterson that the Chiefs would wait to see how Law's surgically repaired foot was mending before they would proceed with a contract offer.

Law wore a protective walking boot on his left foot.

“He has to keep progressing medically,” Vermeil said. “He says he's going to be out of the boot in two weeks. As you noticed, he has a bounce to his step. It's not bothering him at all. That's all positive.”

The Chiefs had three other free-agent guests at Arrowhead Stadium Tuesday: defensive end Carlos Hall and running back Robert Holcombe of Tennessee, and Philadelphia linebacker Keith Adams.

The Chiefs are planning visits, perhaps as soon as this week, with at least four other players, including Baltimore wide receiver Kevin Johnson. The Chiefs once tried to trade for Johnson when he played for Cleveland.

Law said he was headed for Miami to continue a rehab program that includes running in a pool and riding an exercise bike.

“I feel,” he said, “like Lance Armstrong right now.”

Law had surgery in January to repair a fracture. He said the protective boot will come off for good by the end of March, which would enable him to accelerate the pace of rehabilitation.

“Starting next month, I'll take it up a notch: Stairmaster, things like that,” Law said. “Then, the next month, I may get to do some straight-ahead running. In June, I'll be cutting. My goal is to be ready by training camp in July, but I'll definitely be ready by the season. I'm shooting for training camp.”

Though Law indicated he was pleased with his visit to Kansas City, he also said he wouldn't necessarily wait for the Chiefs to make a contract offer. He already met with the Steelers and said he would probably take trips to the New York Jets and Indianapolis.

“If it's a perfect fit and it's the right match, something will get done,” he said. “If it's not, you have to move on. They have to get ready to play a football game, and … I've got to hopefully get settled into a new team and find a new home so I get can get prepared to focus and concentrate. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be.

“I'm looking for the right situation. That's, first and foremost, somebody that's going to accept you as the player that you are. I don't want to go to a team or a defense that doesn't fit my style of play. It's all about the right situation: physically, mentally, emotionally, financially, everything.

“I'm just going to teams that I'm interested in and not just everybody that's calling. I want to win. There are a lot of teams that called that I'm not interested in. (Jets) coach Herman Edwards and (Colts) coach Tony Dungy, they want to bring me in. We'll just go from there. The most important thing for me is to try to get a feel for places and get healthy and just be ready to play football.”

Hall is the most intriguing of Tuesday's other visitors. Not only could he challenge Jared Allen to be a starter at right defensive end if he joined the Chiefs, but he's also a restricted free agent.

The Titans would have the right to match any offer sheet he signs. The Chiefs would give the Titans a seventh-round draft pick if they declined to match.

Hall was a starter for two of his three NFL seasons. He had eight sacks as a rookie in 2002 but fell to three the following season and 2½ last year. Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham coached for the Titans during his first two seasons.

“He's a young, enthusiastic player,” Vermeil said. “He has a tremendous motor. He would be a great addition to our roster, but that all takes time and I imagine (Tennessee) would match. We certainly have an interest, and if he's going to leave Tennessee, he might as well come here.”

Holcombe is the first offensive free agent to visit with the Chiefs. Holcombe played for Vermeil and Chiefs offensive coordinator Al Saunders with the Rams before he moved on to Tennessee.

The Chiefs like Holcombe for his versatility and ability to serve as a reserve for Tony Richardson at fullback and Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson at halfback.

“He's smart enough to handle both positions, and he's good on special teams,” Vermeil said. “It would be great to add him to our football team if we could.”

Adams was mainly a special-teams player with the Cowboys and Eagles but started for Philadelphia in last season's NFC championship game and Super Bowl.

“We might lose Monty Beisel,” Vermeil said. “So we bring a guy like this in. He's an ascending player and is already outstanding on special teams.”

Johnson heads the list of prospective visitors. He has been a prolific receiver for most of his NFL career. Until last year, he caught at least 57 passes in each of his previous five NFL seasons.

He caught 84 passes for 1,097 yards and nine touchdowns in 2001 with Cleveland. Last year, he had only 35 catches and one touchdown, but was still the Ravens' top receiver.

The Chiefs were planning to meet with two developmental wide receivers, Alex Bannister of Seattle and Darrell Hill of Tennessee. Both players are fast, but neither has done much in his NFL career.

Bannister has nine catches in his four NFL seasons, Hill none in his three.

Defensive lineman Jay Williams should also be paying a visit this week. Williams is a 10-year veteran with St. Louis, Carolina and Miami. He also played for Vermeil with the Rams.

Claynus
03-16-2005, 01:35 AM
If we can get Hall cheap I'd love to have him here. He can replace Hicks sorry ass on passing downs.

J Diddy
03-16-2005, 01:37 AM
Is Hall just a pass rusher or is he an every down player?

Claynus
03-16-2005, 01:40 AM
At 6-4 261, I'd say he's just a pass rusher.

the Talking Can
03-16-2005, 01:41 AM
"Hall is the most intriguing of Tuesday's other visitors. Not only could he challenge Jared Allen to be a starter at right defensive end if he joined the Chiefs, but he's also a restricted free agent."


We're bringing in a player to replace Allen?

wtf?

Hicks must be a great &*^$ *&*$%*.

Ari Chi3fs
03-16-2005, 01:45 AM
Holcombe is the first offensive free agent to visit with the Chiefs. Holcombe played for Vermeil and Chiefs offensive coordinator Al Saunders with the Rams before he moved on to Tennessee.

The Chiefs like Holcombe for his versatility and ability to serve as a reserve for Tony Richardson at fullback and Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson at halfback.

“He's smart enough to handle both positions, and he's good on special teams,” Vermeil said. “It would be great to add him to our football team if we could.”


Yeah, we need to focus on a FA Running Back like I need a tumor on my nutsack.

J Diddy
03-16-2005, 01:46 AM
At 6-4 261, I'd say he's just a pass rusher.

we got enough of them.

pass.

Pants
03-16-2005, 01:48 AM
Yeah, we need to focus on a FA Running Back like I need a tumor on my nutsack.

Running backs get hurt. Right now we have two. Last year we had 2 hurt. I'll let you make the conclusions and I'd make an appointment with the family physician as soon as possible.

Claynus
03-16-2005, 01:49 AM
we got enough of them.

pass.

Uh, since when? The only pass rushers on KC's roster are Allen and Bell.

J Diddy
03-16-2005, 01:52 AM
Uh, since when? The only pass rushers on KC's roster are Allen and Bell.

If Hicks is sucking so bad then find someone to replace him once and for all. Don't dick around with finding someone to replace him some of the time. It's not like he was kicking ass in the running game also.

Ari Chi3fs
03-16-2005, 02:00 AM
Running backs get hurt. Right now we have two. Last year we had 2 hurt. I'll let you make the conclusions and I'd make an appointment with the family physician as soon as possible.

pick one up in lower rounds of draft, or cuts... dont need to waste FA dollahs on an RB... it dont make sense.

Spicy McHaggis
03-16-2005, 02:43 AM
Carlos Hall would be a solid pick up for a 7th rounder. The Titans DE's platooned a lot last year so that might have had some effect on his stats. My money is that Gunther liked what he saw the last few years and I would like the signing. Huck Ficks too.

mcan
03-16-2005, 02:45 AM
Uh, since when? The only pass rushers on KC's roster are Allen and Bell.


Gary Stills, Jerod Allen... Two pass rushing ends that don't serve as every-down guys very well. That's plenty..


As for runningbacks... The roster MINIMUM is five, and we have four right now... Holmes, Johnson, Richardson, and Easy. I imagine they want somebody to take Easy's job since he's a liability at either position. Somebody that could play both HB and FB and be a great special teams guy would be HUGE!

Claynus
03-16-2005, 02:57 AM
Gary Stills, Jerod Allen... Two pass rushing ends that don't serve as every-down guys very well. That's plenty..


As for runningbacks... The roster MINIMUM is five, and we have four right now... Holmes, Johnson, Richardson, and Easy. I imagine they want somebody to take Easy's job since he's a liability at either position. Somebody that could play both HB and FB and be a great special teams guy would be HUGE!

Jared Allen's going to be the every down defensive end this year. He did a good job of it last year after Holliday's injury, too.

Gary Stills doesn't even get on the field every passing down...he's a gimmick.

digi2fish
03-16-2005, 04:01 AM
lower the price, Law.

DaWolf
03-16-2005, 04:11 AM
I'm not sold on Allen yet. He better be working hard this offseason, because it's not inconcievable that he could also drop off from 9 sacks to something like 2 sacks. Competition to push these guys would be good.

Kevin Johnson is an intruiging name. We need to do something this offseason to bolster our WR corps...

old_geezer
03-16-2005, 05:47 AM
Hall is the most intriguing of Tuesday's other visitors. Not only could he challenge Jared Allen to be a starter at right defensive end if he joined the Chiefs, but he's also a restricted free agent.

I listened to Dick for brains Vermeil's interview on the radio yesterday. He specifically stated that if Hall was brought in - it would be to split time with Jarod Allen. That worthless piece of crap Hicks must give great head. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Claynus
03-16-2005, 05:47 AM
Hall is the most intriguing of Tuesday's other visitors. Not only could he challenge Jared Allen to be a starter at right defensive end if he joined the Chiefs, but he's also a restricted free agent.

I listened to Dick for brains Vermeil's interview on the radio yesterday. He specifically stated that if Hall was brought in - it would be to split time with Jarod Allen. That worthless piece of crap Hicks must give great head. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

There's nothing wrong with that. One player can't play 100% of the snaps at RDE.

old_geezer
03-16-2005, 05:50 AM
There's nothing wrong with that. One player can't play 100% of the snaps at RDE.


It's not the idea of giving Allen competetion as much as it is Hicks getting a free ride from this coaching staff year after year after year.

milkman
03-16-2005, 06:19 AM
Jared Allen's going to be the every down defensive end this year. He did a good job of it last year after Holliday's injury, too.

Gary Stills doesn't even get on the field every passing down...he's a gimmick.

A gimmick?
What's the gimmick?

A pass rush specialist that can't get to the QB?

If ever there's a guy that needs to be released, Stills is it.

And WTF is wrong with the Chiefs brintrust?

Let's bring in a guy that can compete with the only D-Lineman that actually earned his job last year.

What a stupid bunch of Dickweeds these people are.

**** 'em all.

milkman
03-16-2005, 06:22 AM
It's not the idea of giving Allen competetion as much as it is Hicks getting a free ride from this coaching staff year after year after year.

Exactly!

ChiefGator
03-16-2005, 07:19 AM
A gimmick?
What's the gimmick?

A pass rush specialist that can't get to the QB?



ROFL

Chiefnj
03-16-2005, 07:28 AM
I understand that a Holcomb or Hall aren't going to demand a lot of money, but I can't for the life of me fathom why the Chiefs aren't bringing in any other corners.

Chan93lx50
03-16-2005, 07:30 AM
Since everybody else is bitching about the other FA possibilities, I think picking up Johnson would be a good addition.

I am sure his stats fell apart due to playing on the Ravens Pass offense, hell he still led the team in receptions.

Pick him up and we don't have to worry about drafting a WR and we can go balls to the walls D

morphius
03-16-2005, 07:31 AM
pick one up in lower rounds of draft, or cuts... dont need to waste FA dollahs on an RB... it dont make sense.
What if the asking price is low? There don't seem to be a ton of people offering him a big signing bonus or anything. Plus we NEED a backup to T Rich, we don't have anyone back there who can block half as well.

nmt1
03-16-2005, 07:38 AM
As for runningbacks... The roster MINIMUM is five, and we have four right now... Holmes, Johnson, Richardson, and Easy. I imagine they want somebody to take Easy's job since he's a liability at either position. Somebody that could play both HB and FB and be a great special teams guy would be HUGE!

We don't really have four. Easy is an unrestricted free agent because we didn't tender him.

pick one up in lower rounds of draft, or cuts... dont need to waste FA dollahs on an RB... it dont make sense.

Holcombe would be a good pickup because he's a known commodity whereas someone we would draft in the later rounds might not be ready to contribute in any phase of the game. Holcombe would be listed as the 2nd fullback and the draftee (yes we will draft a running back) will be listed as the 3rd halfback.

Coogs
03-16-2005, 07:46 AM
This probably won't be popular, but after reading this, my gut feeling is Ty Law is going to be fine and I hope we get him. He sounds like a very level headed person and one who could be the true leader this defense needs.

InChiefsHell
03-16-2005, 07:49 AM
Uh, so what is everyone's take on Law's injury and his ability to get back on the field by Training Camp in July? I wanna believe the guy, but is it too risky? We will kick our selves in the ass if we let him go and he has a pro-bowl season somewhere else, but is that a reason to take a chance on him?

I don't know. I feel better about him after reading this article.

milkman
03-16-2005, 07:53 AM
Uh, so what is everyone's take on Law's injury and his ability to get back on the field by Training Camp in July? I wanna believe the guy, but is it too risky? We will kick our selves in the ass if we let him go and he has a pro-bowl season somewhere else, but is that a reason to take a chance on him?

I don't know. I feel better about him after reading this article.

I'd be surprised if he's ready by TC, but think he could be ready by the start of the season.

If he hasn't signed somewhere by the draft, then reevaluate his progress.

If it looks like he can be ready, sign him if possible.
If not, make the trade for Surtain.

penguinz
03-16-2005, 07:56 AM
He will be ready for TC. No one thought TO would be able to play in the SB and he did.

whoman69
03-16-2005, 08:03 AM
By taking a wait and see on Law and not really looking for other CB help, Pederson is either really ballsy or really stupid. Based on past performance I would shoot for the latter.
I can't see signing a RB just to be 3rd string unless it comes at the minimum. The problem with our DEs is that almost all of them are pass rush specialists, but none can stop the run. Take a flyer.

milkman
03-16-2005, 08:12 AM
By taking a wait and see on Law and not really looking for other CB help, Pederson is either really ballsy or really stupid. Based on past performance I would shoot for the latter.
I can't see signing a RB just to be 3rd string unless it comes at the minimum. The problem with our DEs is that almost all of them are pass rush specialists, but none can stop the run. Take a flyer.

Good God, you mean that Stills isn't the only pass rush specialist on the roster that can't get to the QB? :banghead:

Eric Hicks is supposed to be a complete DE.
I think Jimmy Wilkerson is supposed to have developed into a complete DE.

Jared Allen is a pass rush specialist, that actually gets to the QB, but with some added bulk, could develop into a complete DE.

If they ever got a clue, they would move Browning to LDE.
I think he could be a PBer there.

I also think that Carl has no choice but to wait on Law's progress.

htismaqe
03-16-2005, 08:33 AM
I understand that a Holcomb or Hall aren't going to demand a lot of money, but I can't for the life of me fathom why the Chiefs aren't bringing in any other corners.

Because, according to the people here, there aren't any out there worth looking at.

dirk digler
03-16-2005, 08:36 AM
Because, according to the people here, there aren't any out there worth looking at.

I think anyone they bring in would better than Bartee or McCLeon at this point.

Chiefnj
03-16-2005, 08:37 AM
With the manner in which the Chiefs D has floundered the past several years, and to a degree this offseason as well, I can't help but think that Marty was the mastermind behind the assemblance of the great defenses of the early through mid 90's.

Wile_E_Coyote
03-16-2005, 08:39 AM
If memory serves, this is the first season T-Rich hasn't gotten injured in a while. Hand & or arm injuries if I recall correctly..

dirk digler
03-16-2005, 08:40 AM
With the manner in which the Chiefs D has floundered the past several years, and to a degree this offseason as well, I can't help but think that Marty was the mastermind behind the assemblance of the great defenses of the early through mid 90's.

True but his offenses never put up alot of points. Back then we craved an offense to go with our D now the reverse is true.

milkman
03-16-2005, 08:42 AM
With the manner in which the Chiefs D has floundered the past several years, and to a degree this offseason as well, I can't help but think that Marty was the mastermind behind the assemblance of the great defenses of the early through mid 90's.

I wouldn't disagree with that.

If we could combine his defensive mind with DickWad's offensive mind, we would have one hell of a coach.

htismaqe
03-16-2005, 08:44 AM
I think anyone they bring in would better than Bartee or McCLeon at this point.

I don't disagree.

However, you should know that you're now one of those "sheep" that has bought the "line" coming from Arrowhead. You'll be called an idiot for "settling" for mediocre.

Just letting you know what to be prepared for.

Chiefnj
03-16-2005, 08:46 AM
True but his offenses never put up alot of points. Back then we craved an offense to go with our D now the reverse is true.

That really isn't true. It seems that way, but it isn't true. The Chiefs offense finished top 10 in points scored in five of Marty's 10 years with KC.

They laid huge eggs in the playoffs, sans Montana, but could often score in the regular season. They were never as bad as the Chiefs D has been the last few years.

Chiefnj
03-16-2005, 08:48 AM
I don't disagree.

However, you should know that you're now one of those "sheep" that has bought the "line" coming from Arrowhead. You'll be called an idiot for "settling" for mediocre.

Just letting you know what to be prepared for.

Unfortunately there is no "line" coming from Arrowhead as to corners. Talk of linebackers, receivers, half-back/fullbacks and a pass rush specialist who hasn't been able to get to the QB the past two years to split time with the only up and coming promising player on the roster.

dirk digler
03-16-2005, 08:48 AM
I don't disagree.

However, you should know that you're now one of those "sheep" that has bought the "line" coming from Arrowhead. You'll be called an idiot for "settling" for mediocre.

Just letting you know what to be prepared for.

Mediocre is better than suckass which both of those players are. Hell just an upgrade might save us 1 TD per game.

Now I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression I still think we need to trade for Surtain or sign Law as 1 corner but we could get a 2nd Pier guy for the other side and let him battle Warfield for the starting position.

htismaqe
03-16-2005, 08:50 AM
Unfortunately there is no "line" coming from Arrowhead as to corners. Talk of linebackers, receivers, half-back/fullbacks and a pass rush specialist who hasn't been able to get to the QB the past two years to split time with the only up and coming promising player on the roster.

I already mentioned that. Of course, that little tidbit of fact garnered zero response...

htismaqe
03-16-2005, 08:50 AM
Mediocre is better than suckass which both of those players are. Hell just an upgrade might save us 1 TD per game.

Now I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression I still think we need to trade for Surtain or sign Law as 1 corner but we could get a 2nd Pier guy for the other side and let him battle Warfield for the starting position.

I agree.

dirk digler
03-16-2005, 08:50 AM
That really isn't true. It seems that way, but it isn't true. The Chiefs offense finished top 10 in points scored in five of Marty's 10 years with KC.

They laid huge eggs in the playoffs, sans Montana, but could often score in the regular season. They were never as bad as the Chiefs D has been the last few years.

That is true to a point our running game was awesome our passing game sucked for the most part. We were always looking for that big time WR to help us.

But what is good in the regular season doesn't mean squat come playoffs and our offenses never did anything in the playoffs minus Joe in 93.

Brock
03-16-2005, 08:59 AM
Being used as a stalking horse yet again.

TRR
03-16-2005, 09:08 AM
There are a lot of intriguing names in the WR pool. Another one is David Terrell. The Bears fans hate him, but he may be worth a shot. Kevin Johnson is also a WR that could put up good numbers here. KJ has never had a solid QB in his NFL tenure.

Anything to see Morton pack his bags.

shaneo69
03-16-2005, 09:35 AM
There are a lot of intriguing names in the WR pool. Another one is David Terrell. The Bears fans hate him, but he may be worth a shot. Kevin Johnson is also a WR that could put up good numbers here. KJ has never had a solid QB in his NFL tenure.

Anything to see Morton pack his bags.

Terrell signed with the Giants yesterday, IIRC.

shaneo69
03-16-2005, 09:39 AM
I don't disagree.

However, you should know that you're now one of those "sheep" that has bought the "line" coming from Arrowhead. You'll be called an idiot for "settling" for mediocre.

Just letting you know what to be prepared for.


Don't know if you've ever heard this before, but better than bad does not equal good.

Apparently now you're ready to settle for a Nick Harper or Chad Scott? That's the spirit!!

shaneo69
03-16-2005, 09:43 AM
With the manner in which the Chiefs D has floundered the past several years, and to a degree this offseason as well, I can't help but think that Marty was the mastermind behind the assemblance of the great defenses of the early through mid 90's.

Marty may have been a good defensive coach, but I wouldn't say he was most responsible for the assemblance of defensive talent in the early '90's. He inherited N. Smith, Maas, Hackett, Ross, Lewis, Burruss, and Cherry.

milkman
03-16-2005, 09:45 AM
Don't know if you've ever heard this before, but better than bad does not equal good.

True, but better than bad does not equal pathetic either, like our current CBs.

Frankie
03-16-2005, 09:48 AM
I understand that a Holcomb or Hall aren't going to demand a lot of money, but I can't for the life of me fathom why the Chiefs aren't bringing in any other corners.

Carlos Rogers in the 1st round... ya think?

Frankie
03-16-2005, 09:51 AM
This probably won't be popular, but after reading this, my gut feeling is Ty Law is going to be fine and I hope we get him. He sounds like a very level headed person and one who could be the true leader this defense needs.

The same gut feeling has been gnawing at me too. Which means somebody else will sign him. :banghead:

the Talking Can
03-16-2005, 09:51 AM
McCleon is better than Bartee.

Think about it.

KCTitus
03-16-2005, 09:52 AM
Marty may have been a good defensive coach, but I wouldn't say he was most responsible for the assemblance of defensive talent in the early '90's. He inherited N. Smith, Maas, Hackett, Ross, Lewis, Burruss, and Cherry.

Hackett, Burruss and Cherry retired after 91
Ross and Lewis left KC after 93
Maas left after 92

Marty had to fill all those holes with something, the defense didnt go bad until 1998.

Hoover
03-16-2005, 09:57 AM
I think Holcombe would be nice as a 3rd HB. adn backup to TRich. Say good byr ot Easy

shaneo69
03-16-2005, 09:58 AM
McCleon is better than Bartee.

Think about it.


Yup. I would take Dyson, or Law if he's healthy enough. But I woudn't give up a 2nd rounder for Surtain, and all the other UFA CB's out there are McCleon-quality.

siberian khatru
03-16-2005, 09:58 AM
McCleon is better than Bartee.

Think about it.

Must we? :Lin:

Cormac
03-16-2005, 10:03 AM
I like all of these possible moves.

T-Rich has really slowed down, and will probably retire after this year. Our drafting of FBs hasn't worked out with Layne picked up by Atlanta, and Easy being no good. Holcombe would be an excellent pick-up. He's a good run blocker and ST player.

Kevin Johnson would fit right in where Morton was, and do a better job, IMO. He had almost no opportunities last year with Boller at QB, and hasn't really ever played with a good QB after Couch and Holcombe in Cleveland. Wasn't he in Jax for a year? The bouncing around on teams is a concern, but he still has good years ahead of him, and castoff WRs (Kennison) can do well in our offense.

Carlos Hall would be a nice addition too, although I bet Tennessee will match. It's intriguing that Gunther must want him to come to KC. Maybe he could help him develop.

Keith Adams I don't know much about, but if he's cheap he can at least be used instead of Fred Jones....In a way I hope we can keep Beisel though, and put him at one position for once and for all. He's got some Maz characteristics I like, but he's been moved around so much, there hasn't been a chance for him to really settle.

I remember wanting us to draft Alex Bannister a few years ago. He's blazing fast, and about 6'5". If he was about to break out, though, I doubt Seattle would be letting him go. Still, he could be a good STer at the right price.

Hell, this article even makes me feel better about the prospect of getting Ty "A man's gotta eat" Law :eek: although he's just saying all the right things right now.

Frankie
03-16-2005, 10:05 AM
True but his offenses never put up alot of points. Back then we craved an offense to go with our D now the reverse is true.

Ahh.. to have our current 'O' together with our mid-90s 'D.'!!! How many SuperBowl wins in a row? :hmmm:

shaneo69
03-16-2005, 10:08 AM
I like all of these possible moves.

T-Rich has really slowed down, and will probably retire after this year. Our drafting of FBs hasn't worked out with Layne picked up by Atlanta, and Easy being no good. Holcombe would be an excellent pick-up. He's a good run blocker and ST player.

Kevin Johnson would fit right in where Morton was, and do a better job, IMO. He had almost no opportunities last year with Boller at QB, and hasn't really ever played with a good QB after Couch and Holcombe in Cleveland. Wasn't he in Jax for a year? The bouncing around on teams is a concern, but he still has good years ahead of him, and castoff WRs (Kennison) can do well in our offense.

Carlos Hall would be a nice addition too, although I bet Tennessee will match. It's intriguing that Gunther must want him to come to KC. Maybe he could help him develop.

Keith Adams I don't know much about, but if he's cheap he can at least be used instead of Fred Jones....In a way I hope we can keep Beisel though, and put him at one position for once and for all. He's got some Maz characteristics I like, but he's been moved around so much, there hasn't been a chance for him to really settle.

I remember wanting us to draft Alex Bannister a few years ago. He's blazing fast, and about 6'5". If he was about to break out, though, I doubt Seattle would be letting him go. Still, he could be a good STer at the right price.

Hell, this article even makes me feel better about the prospect of getting Ty "A man's gotta eat" Law :eek: although he's just saying all the right things right now.

I agree with everything you said. :thumb:

milkman
03-16-2005, 10:09 AM
I like all of these possible moves.

T-Rich has really slowed down, and will probably retire after this year. Our drafting of FBs hasn't worked out with Layne picked up by Atlanta, and Easy being no good. Holcombe would be an excellent pick-up. He's a good run blocker and ST player.

Kevin Johnson would fit right in where Morton was, and do a better job, IMO. He had almost no opportunities last year with Boller at QB, and hasn't really ever played with a good QB after Couch and Holcombe in Cleveland. Wasn't he in Jax for a year? The bouncing around on teams is a concern, but he still has good years ahead of him, and castoff WRs (Kennison) can do well in our offense.

Carlos Hall would be a nice addition too, although I bet Tennessee will match. It's intriguing that Gunther must want him to come to KC. Maybe he could help him develop.

Keith Adams I don't know much about, but if he's cheap he can at least be used instead of Fred Jones....In a way I hope we can keep Beisel though, and put him at one position for once and for all. He's got some Maz characteristics I like, but he's been moved around so much, there hasn't been a chance for him to really settle.

I remember wanting us to draft Alex Bannister a few years ago. He's blazing fast, and about 6'5". If he was about to break out, though, I doubt Seattle would be letting him go. Still, he could be a good STer at the right price.

Hell, this article even makes me feel better about the prospect of getting Ty "A man's gotta eat" Law :eek: although he's just saying all the right things right now.

I agree with everything you said, pretty much.
I think Adams would be signed instead of Biesel, and from what I'm reading, that would be an upgrade, and he could be in the mix to start at OLB.

RINGLEADER
03-16-2005, 10:10 AM
"Hall is the most intriguing of Tuesday's other visitors. Not only could he challenge Jared Allen to be a starter at right defensive end if he joined the Chiefs, but he's also a restricted free agent."


We're bringing in a player to replace Allen?

wtf?

Hicks must be a great &*^$ *&*$%*.


My thoughts exactly.

Frankie
03-16-2005, 10:11 AM
He will be ready for TC. No one thought TO would be able to play in the SB and he did.

Good point. But I'd take him even if he were to miss the TC and be ready for the season.

shaneo69
03-16-2005, 10:12 AM
Hackett, Burruss and Cherry retired after 91
Ross and Lewis left KC after 93
Maas left after 92

Marty had to fill all those holes with something, the defense didnt go bad until 1998.


Point is, had Marty/Carl been drafting solid replacements for those guys in the early to mid-'90's, we wouldn't have had to sign jerkoffs like Leslie O'Neal, Chester McGlockton, Dan Williams, Mark McMillian, and Wayne Simmons, who all contributed to the fall of our defense around the '98 season.

Frankie
03-16-2005, 10:17 AM
It's not the idea of giving Allen competetion as much as it is Hicks getting a free ride from this coaching staff year after year after year.

Just playing devil's advocate. What if the Robinson damage to Hicks' play was so severe, that it would take Gun more than just one year to rehabilitate him into his pre-GRob days. Meaning last year should not count in his rebuilding. I'm just as disappointed in Hicks as the rest of you. But I'm willing to give him next year (only) to show if he's back. Maybe the coaches actually know something we don't.

milkman
03-16-2005, 10:23 AM
Just playing devil's advocate. What if the Robinson damage to Hicks' play was so severe, that it would take Gun more than just one year to rehabilitate him into his pre-GRob days. Meaning last year should not count in his rebuilding. I'm just as disappointed in Hicks as the rest of you. But I'm willing to give him next year (only) to show if he's back. Maybe the coaches actually know something we don't.

The problem is that Hicks has had only one good season.

To me that would constitue the abberration, while his 5-6 years of poor play would consitute the noem.

Kris Kringle
03-16-2005, 11:21 AM
I'd like us to address a few of these lesser needs in free agency as long as we can afford it and still get a top CB.

--Carlos Hall would be good to replace Hicks not replace Allen.

--Adams would be good to replace Beisel on special teams.

--Holcombe might be a great pickup to replace Easy.

--Personally, I don't trust Kevin Johnson.

I don't know that have to worry too much about using free agent dollars for these guys. It looks like each of them are a direct replacement for someone that we may lose in free agency. Johnson would replace Morton. Holcombe would replace Easy . Adams would replace Beisel. Each of the free agents would replace the salary of the current players. It's money in and money out.

We all get great encouragement from the free agents that are brought in, looked at and signed. We think it's a good sign that Carl and Dick are truely trying to improve the depth chart. I think it is an equally good sign if Carl / Dick cut players or let them leave in free agency. Dick is known for keeping players beyond their prime and being too loyal. I like it that they are trying to improve the roster and replacing current deadbeats.

Wallcrawler
03-16-2005, 11:37 AM
Id take Kevin Johnson over Johnnie Morton any day.

Hopefully them bringing in other receivers means that Johnnie will be getting his walking papers soon.

TRR
03-16-2005, 11:45 AM
I like all of these possible moves.

T-Rich has really slowed down, and will probably retire after this year. Our drafting of FBs hasn't worked out with Layne picked up by Atlanta, and Easy being no good. Holcombe would be an excellent pick-up. He's a good run blocker and ST player.

Good post, but I would have to disagree with you on the TRich take. I thought last season was his best in some time. The reason I say this is because TRich had a couple of different RB's behind him last season, and still adjusted to their running styles. I thought TRich had a great season, and shows no signs of slowing down.

Pants
03-16-2005, 11:47 AM
Good post, but I would have to disagree with you on the TRich take. I thought last season was his best in some time. The reason I say this is because TRich had a couple of different RB's behind him last season, and still adjusted to their running styles. I thought TRich had a great season, and shows no signs of slowing down.

T-Rich is definatelly one my favorite players. I'll be sad as hell when he retires. I don't think it wil be for a couple years, though.

DenverChief
03-16-2005, 12:06 PM
Yeah, we need to focus on a FA Running Back like I need a tumor on my nutsack.

There is nobody to play FB behind Richardson...Easy is gone

shaneo69
03-16-2005, 12:27 PM
Terrell signed with the Giants yesterday, IIRC.

Actually, I was wrong.


"Still searching for a veteran receiver, the Giants would like to add David Terrell, a former Bears first-round draft pick who was released on Feb. 28. The Giants want Terrell, but it is believed at the moment his contract demands are too high." — Paul Schwartz

http://www.nypost.com/sports/giants/41158.htm

KCTitus
03-16-2005, 01:22 PM
Point is, had Marty/Carl been drafting solid replacements for those guys in the early to mid-'90's, we wouldn't have had to sign jerkoffs like Leslie O'Neal, Chester McGlockton, Dan Williams, Mark McMillian, and Wayne Simmons, who all contributed to the fall of our defense around the '98 season.

That's because they were focusing on offensive improvements, naturally, at that time. They didnt draft any offensive improvements either.

whoman69
03-16-2005, 01:26 PM
There is nobody to play FB behind Richardson...Easy is gone
There was nobody playing FB when Easy was here. We only put him in when we could afford to miss a block or drop a pass. What else do we ask our FB to do?

tk13
03-16-2005, 01:26 PM
Everyone does realize that Teicher is the guy saying Hall is going to compete with Jared Allen, right? Nowhere in this article does Carl or Dick or anybody but a reporter who seems to like to try and make the Chiefs look bad say anything about Jared Allen losing his job....

philfree
03-16-2005, 02:35 PM
Everyone does realize that Teicher is the guy saying Hall is going to compete with Jared Allen, right? Nowhere in this article does Carl or Dick or anybody but a reporter who seems to like to try and make the Chiefs look bad say anything about Jared Allen losing his job....

Since we got rid of Holliday we don't really have a backup for RDE do we? We need another RDE to back up Allen as well as give him some competition for his job. We don't want him to get to comfortable in only his second year in the league.

PhilFree :arrow:

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
03-16-2005, 03:42 PM
Since we got rid of Holliday we don't really have a backup for RDE do we? We need another RDE to back up Allen as well as give him some competition for his job. We don't want him to get to comfortable in only his second year in the league.

PhilFree :arrow:
I totally agree.
How many times have we seen a rookie or a FA aquisition have one good season only to turn around and then slump into a rut?
Also, there is no reason a rotation can't have both of these guys playing on the field opposite one another on specific downs.

keg in kc
03-16-2005, 03:50 PM
Don't worry, ladies, Dexter McDyson is still out there waiting to be signed.

ChiefsCountry
03-16-2005, 03:50 PM
Law hurt would still be better than McCleon and Bartee which is sad. Sign Law. Sign Hall, draft a DE. Cut Hicks. That position is fixed. Sign Renaldo Hill as a Nickelback or starter in case Warfield or Law can't go. Cut McCleon and Bartee. Wow, its not rocket science I wish Carl and Dick would see this.

Wallcrawler
03-16-2005, 04:12 PM
Here's what I think will happen with Law.


The Chiefs will wait until they know he can play before they put out their offer.

By the time Law proves he can play, he will once again demand his king's ransom to sign with a team.

Other teams interested in Law will pay the ridiculous price, leaving the Chiefs once again missing out on a corner to upgrade the secondary.


The Chiefs should just do the Surtain deal already, pay the man what he is worth, and move on.

htismaqe
03-16-2005, 04:30 PM
Don't know if you've ever heard this before, but better than bad does not equal good.

Apparently now you're ready to settle for a Nick Harper or Chad Scott? That's the spirit!!

No, I'm not ready to settle for Nick Harper or Chad Scott.

Kelly Herndon is FAR better than either one, and that's the guy this whole argument centers around.

htismaqe
03-16-2005, 04:32 PM
I like all of these possible moves.

T-Rich has really slowed down, and will probably retire after this year. Our drafting of FBs hasn't worked out with Layne picked up by Atlanta, and Easy being no good. Holcombe would be an excellent pick-up. He's a good run blocker and ST player.

Kevin Johnson would fit right in where Morton was, and do a better job, IMO. He had almost no opportunities last year with Boller at QB, and hasn't really ever played with a good QB after Couch and Holcombe in Cleveland. Wasn't he in Jax for a year? The bouncing around on teams is a concern, but he still has good years ahead of him, and castoff WRs (Kennison) can do well in our offense.

Carlos Hall would be a nice addition too, although I bet Tennessee will match. It's intriguing that Gunther must want him to come to KC. Maybe he could help him develop.

Keith Adams I don't know much about, but if he's cheap he can at least be used instead of Fred Jones....In a way I hope we can keep Beisel though, and put him at one position for once and for all. He's got some Maz characteristics I like, but he's been moved around so much, there hasn't been a chance for him to really settle.

I remember wanting us to draft Alex Bannister a few years ago. He's blazing fast, and about 6'5". If he was about to break out, though, I doubt Seattle would be letting him go. Still, he could be a good STer at the right price.

Hell, this article even makes me feel better about the prospect of getting Ty "A man's gotta eat" Law :eek: although he's just saying all the right things right now.

Great post.

milkman
03-16-2005, 05:00 PM
There was nobody playing FB when Easy was here. We only put him in when we could afford to miss a block or drop a pass. What else do we ask our FB to do?

That's why is Easy is gone, and why they are looking at Holcombe.

Someone needs to be there in case T-Rich can't go for any reason,
or just needs a rest.

milkman
03-16-2005, 05:02 PM
Since we got rid of Holliday we don't really have a backup for RDE do we? We need another RDE to back up Allen as well as give him some competition for his job. We don't want him to get to comfortable in only his second year in the league.

PhilFree :arrow:

I'm not really opposed to the idea of Hall, or anyone as B/U-competition to Allen.
It just pisses me off that Effort Guy Hicks gets a pass from the DickWeeds at Arrowhead.

mcan
03-16-2005, 06:13 PM
A gimmick?
What's the gimmick?

A pass rush specialist that can't get to the QB?

If ever there's a guy that needs to be released, Stills is it.

And WTF is wrong with the Chiefs brintrust?

Let's bring in a guy that can compete with the only D-Lineman that actually earned his job last year.

What a stupid bunch of Dickweeds these people are.

**** 'em all.


Yeah, Allen did a great job getting to the quarterback, but at what cost? Did you see him get beat over and over and over again against the run? He has to get stronger at the point of attack. Gary Stills, is a guy who can play a little defensive end, but is invaluable on special teams. He's seriously a great addition to the team, and if he can get 2.5 sacks again this year, then that's just gravy...

As for this other guy, I've never seen him play, but if he can play at the right end spot, then Wilkerson needs to get worried about his job. Wilkerson was/is very promising, and I just know that he'll be a probowler for some other team as soon as we cut him...

Pants
03-16-2005, 06:16 PM
That's why is Easy is gone, and why they are looking at Holcombe.

Someone needs to be there in case T-Rich can't go for any reason,
or just needs a rest.

T-Rich don't EVAR get tired.