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FRCDFED
03-19-2005, 02:03 PM
With all the talk about trading our 1st rounder to pick up additional picks I wanted to remind everyone that by drafting higher in round 1 you increase your chances to get a playmaker! Notice I said "increase" and not that it is guaranteed.

We also do not want to include Wesley in a trade for Surtain if it is avoidable. Wesley will beat out Woods for the FS position. I do want Surtain but at the cheapest cost.

With our 1st round pick we need to take the BEST PLAYER ON THE BOARD!! Regardless of position! This draft strategy will allow us to have a playmaker versus the 2nd or 3rd best available position player who we can all sit around on here after three years and bitch about.

We are very critical of Carls draft history but when you look at the good players picked up in the draft (ie TG, LJ) you will notice he selected those who were arguably the best at their position in college and had a solid season leading up to the draft. Now there will be those anomolies such as Simms but Simms didn't come on strong until his senior season and was playing along side Peppers so he should have been considered a risk.

~wants to be GM for a day~

Bowser
03-19-2005, 02:06 PM
You make it sound like we're the Patriots and can afford to sit around and let the best athlete fall to us. This team has very specific needs, those being linebacker, corner, and defensive end. If we draft a guard, I'll burn all of my Chiefs stuff.

Oh, Carl traded up to get Gonzalez, btw. ;)

milkman
03-19-2005, 02:37 PM
Opinions vary about who is the best player at positions of need.

Some here think that Rolle is the best CB in this draft. Others claim that it's PacMan Jones. And then's there's the people in the Carlos Rogers camp.
Finally, there's a small group that back Marlin Jackson.

Unless we are sitting there at 15 with Derek Johnson in our sights, I believe that trading down is a very viable option.

One of those 4 will still be there later in the round, and it might give us the opportunity to select a good OLB in the 2nd.

I'm officially pimping Marlin Jackson and Daryl Blackstock.

chop
03-19-2005, 02:39 PM
I hope they get the best available player also.

I would rather have a playmaker on Offense than an average player on Defense that we drafted just because we had a need. If the defensive palyer is ranked as high as the player on offense than the Chiefs should pick defense.

Spicy McHaggis
03-19-2005, 02:48 PM
Pimping Rolle and Pollack. Roth, if we trade down.

redsurfer11
03-19-2005, 04:11 PM
With all the talk about trading our 1st rounder to pick up additional picks I wanted to remind everyone that by drafting higher in round 1 you increase your chances to get a playmaker! Notice I said "increase" and not that it is guaranteed.

We also do not want to include Wesley in a trade for Surtain if it is avoidable. Wesley will beat out Woods for the FS position. I do want Surtain but at the cheapest cost.

With our 1st round pick we need to take the BEST PLAYER ON THE BOARD!! Regardless of position! This draft strategy will allow us to have a playmaker versus the 2nd or 3rd best available position player who we can all sit around on here after three years and bitch about.

We are very critical of Carls draft history but when you look at the good players picked up in the draft (ie TG, LJ) you will notice he selected those who were arguably the best at their position in college and had a solid season leading up to the draft. Now there will be those anomolies such as Simms but Simms didn't come on strong until his senior season and was playing along side Peppers so he should have been considered a risk.

~wants to be GM for a day~


I agree, but I don't think we'd draft a RB,TE,C or G with the 15th pick.

DTLB58
03-19-2005, 04:52 PM
A couple of weeks ago I saw a mock that had one of the top 2 QB's dropping to us. So.....You think drafting a QB THIS year with our 1st pick is a good idea if he was the BAP?

whoman69
03-19-2005, 05:10 PM
A couple of weeks ago I saw a mock that had one of the top 2 QB's dropping to us. So.....You think drafting a QB THIS year with our 1st pick is a good idea if he was the BAP?
I think that was before their workout. Both have moved up the charts.

BoroChief
03-19-2005, 06:13 PM
Riding shotgun on the Daryl Blackstock Bandwagon if he's available to us in the draft.:thumb:

nascher
03-19-2005, 06:27 PM
Draft the Best Defensiv Player available.

DTLB58
03-19-2005, 06:32 PM
I think that was before their workout. Both have moved up the charts.

I didn't think either one of them would fall to us before. The point IS he said draft the BAP period. So the question was, you would take any position? I agree with BEST defensive player available. Some may be against more DL players but we still can't stop the run....

Chiefs Pantalones
03-19-2005, 06:33 PM
I'm scared to see who the Chiefs think is the best player available when they pick. The Chiefs have one of the worst scouting departments in the NFL.

milkman
03-19-2005, 09:15 PM
I'm scared to see who the Chiefs think is the best player available when they pick. The Chiefs have one of the worst scouting departments in the NFL.

http://images.animationfactory.com/animations/animals/rodents/three_blind_mice/three_blind_mice_lg_nwm.gif

Chiefs scouts (pictured above) discussing future prospects.

Digital Takawira
03-19-2005, 09:35 PM
One of those 4 will still be there later in the round, and it might give us the opportunity to select a good OLB in the 2nd.

I'm officially pimping Marlin Jackson and Daryl Blackstock.

one of johnson, rolle, rogers, and jones should be there when we pick at 15. if we trade down, all four will be gone. also, marlin jackson is probably going to end up being a fs in the nfl. we've got enough safeties. blackstock or robert mccune in the 2nd would be fine with me.

milkman
03-19-2005, 09:47 PM
Everthing I've read about Jackson leads me to believe that he has all the tools to be a good NFL CB, and for unknown reasons, struggled at the FS position in his junior year.

Digital Takawira
03-20-2005, 04:24 PM
watching his workout at the combine, he didn't look like he was doing to good at backpedaling then changing direction at full speed. he looked like he would play better with the play in front of him.


i'd much rather have rogers, rolle, or jones.

milkman
03-20-2005, 04:28 PM
Jackson did fine against real live competition.

I really think to much emphasis is placed on the combine.

I think, and this may be a red flag, without that man to cover, he loses focus.

That might explain his poor performance as a FS in his junior year, and his combine performance.

Mastashake
03-20-2005, 04:45 PM
So would drafting the best player still be a good idea if he was a SS? I mean, we could, like move him to CB like we did with Dale Carter...IT'LL WORK!!!

Seriously, though, go with what you neeeeeed.

Mastashake

Digital Takawira
03-20-2005, 05:04 PM
Jackson did fine against real live competition.

I really think to much emphasis is placed on the combine.

I think, and this may be a red flag, without that man to cover, he loses focus.

That might explain his poor performance as a FS in his junior year, and his combine performance.


i still would only take him if derrick johnson, antrel rolle, carlos rogers, pacman jones, justin miller, and corey webster are gone.

milkman
03-20-2005, 05:23 PM
i still would only take him if derrick johnson, antrel rolle, carlos rogers, pacman jones, justin miller, and corey webster are gone.

According to scouting reports on Webster, he's pretty raw, and would take some time to develop into an NFL CB.

CanadaKC
03-20-2005, 05:44 PM
I'm of the belief that Carlos Rogers in the best CB in the draft. He's certainly on par with Rolle and Jones IMO. If he's there...he's as good as gone.

Coogs
03-20-2005, 05:45 PM
So would drafting the best player still be a good idea if he was a SS? I mean, we could, like move him to CB like we did with Dale Carter...IT'LL WORK!!!

Seriously, though, go with what you neeeeeed.

Mastashake


Might not be all that bad if Thomas Davis from Georgia was the pick. He played safety for Georgia, but also some OLB. He is projected right in the area we pick, and is listed for both spots, S and OLB. Remember another safety who moved to LB not long back who does pretty well? Here is a hint. He plays MLB for the Bears.

CanadaKC
03-20-2005, 05:49 PM
and is listed for both spots, S and OLB. Remember another safety who moved to LB not long back who does pretty well? Here is a hint. He plays MLB for the Bears


Yes...Davis could be the choice there too...but with Sammy Knight on board...we don't need a coinverted safety...we need a LB/DE...
as in Merriman...who could also be our pick.

milkman
03-20-2005, 05:52 PM
Just say no to Tweeners like Merriman!

CanadaKC
03-20-2005, 05:57 PM
Just say no to Tweeners like Merriman this goes straight to the argument...draft the best player available vs. what we need. Merriman is rated among the top 12 in the draft...

Mr. Flopnuts
03-20-2005, 06:02 PM
http://images.animationfactory.com/animations/animals/rodents/three_blind_mice/three_blind_mice_lg_nwm.gif

Chiefs scouts (pictured above) discussing future prospects.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Coogs
03-20-2005, 06:02 PM
Yes...Davis could be the choice there too...but with Sammy Knight on board...we don't need a coinverted safety...we need a LB/DE...
as in Merriman...who could also be our pick.

I don't have anything against Merriman. Have not seen him play so I can not comment at all. I have seen Davis play, and I like him a whole bunch. Safety or OLB would be fine with me.

Sign Law (if he becomes healthy) to go with Warfield at the corners. Knight and Davis at the Safety positions, and I think our secondary would be second to none.

milkman
03-20-2005, 06:04 PM
Just say no to Tweeners like Merriman this goes straight to the argument...draft the best player available vs. what we need. Merriman is rated among the top 12 in the draft...

With the #15 pick, there will probably be 2 or 3 players that you could argue are the best player on the board.

If the choice is between a player who has one clear established position, and a Tweener, then I'm going to pick option A every time.

Mastashake
03-20-2005, 06:15 PM
With the #15 pick, there will probably be 2 or 3 players that you could argue are the best player on the board.

If the choice is between a player who has one clear established position, and a Tweener, then I'm going to pick option A every time.

You gotta pick A in the NFL, the competition's too good to be putting in Eric Crouch.

Mastashake

CanadaKC
03-20-2005, 06:17 PM
When all is said and done...I really believe we'll pick Carlos Rogers anyways... :thumb:

milkman
03-20-2005, 06:20 PM
When all is said and done...I really believe we'll pick Carlos Rogers anyways... :thumb:

I think you are right.

CanadaKC
03-20-2005, 06:21 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8307849


Merriman 11th, Rogers 12th

CanadaKC
03-20-2005, 06:23 PM
11. Shawne Merriman, DE/LB, Maryland: With six of the top 13 teams either running the 3-4 defense or converting to it this season, Merriman looks like an answer to the OLB pass-rush issues. As one GM said, only two major colleges run the 3-4 defense, so it is always about conjecture when looking for 3-4 players. We know Merriman can do it and with a 4.67 time in the 40-yard dash, an incredible 40-inch vertical jump and weighs in at 274 pounds. He is definitely in the top 16.

12. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn: Rogers is gaining momentum in this draft process and he has all the measurables. As one defensive back coach said, "Any corner over six feet tall who can run the short shuttle in the 3.8 range is exactly what I'm looking for." The fear with big corners is they can't open their hips and change direction. Rogers can do it.

milkman
03-20-2005, 06:40 PM
So, if we stand still at 15, then between Merriman and Rogers, I'd take Rogers.

And I'm betting that's the player the Chiefs are zeroing in on.

milkman
03-20-2005, 06:42 PM
Oh, and damn you Cannada, you screwed up the page! :cuss: :)

CanadaKC
03-20-2005, 06:45 PM
how the hell did I do that? :cuss:

milkman
03-20-2005, 06:52 PM
Don't ask me.
I only know how to bitch about it. :mad: :p

FRCDFED
03-20-2005, 09:36 PM
Just say no to Tweeners like Merriman this goes straight to the argument...draft the best player available vs. what we need. Merriman is rated among the top 12 in the draft...
Exactly!! If we would've drafted a LB like Henderson or Pierce last season then maybe we would'nt be having these problems now.

So by taking Siavii and K. Wilson last season was CP drafting for position or need?

It boils down to do you take the 4th best CB or the 2nd best LB? Well, if the 4th best CB is still better than the 2nd best LB then the answer is YES!! Because he would be the BAP.

The answer to whether or not I would take one of the top QB's if he were available at 15 is also YES! Don't kid yourselves by thinking Trent Green is going to be around much longer. Also don't kid yourselves that our offense is limited on stretching the defense with Trent at the helm. Remember a couple of seasons ago when he threw all those int's because Kennison kept outrunning the deep throws? The following season AS changed to offense to hide Trents weeknesses. It is not a secret that Trent does not have the arm strength to stretch the defense. He is very efficient in the current offensive scheme which fits him well.

The best way to make up for a lack of arm strength at the QB position is to have a WR that can run well "after the catch." So YES, I would take a WR if he is the BAP!!

CoMoChief
03-21-2005, 01:22 AM
Derrick Johnson is by far the best def player in the draft. He stands out the most and has incredible physical ability.

Gaz
03-21-2005, 07:24 AM
A lot depends on what happens in FA:
• Do we get a veteran OLB?
• Does Hartwell take the offer on the table?
• Do we get a veteran CB to pair with Surtain?

_OFFENSE:
We should not draft RB, QB, TE, OG or C in the 1st Round.

WR is often mentioned. However, we have a lot of young WRs on the roster, so I would not go WR, even after Morton is released. Not a viable option, IMO.

FB. We actually could use a FB, since Richardson is getting up there and Easy has been a disappointment. Besides, the Planet implosion would be fun to watch. A viable option, but an unpopular one, given our dismal D.

_DEFENSE:
We should not draft DT or S in the 1st Round. We are stocked at those positions.

DE. I would like to have an upgrade over Hicks, but he appears to be bulletproof. We already have a good pass-rusher in Allen. Any draft DE would only take time away from Allen. I do not see the value there, although my crusty old Defense Homer wants a CB-Crusher. If there is a sudden end to the Hicks love, this would be viable, but at the moment it is not. Sorry.

OLB. Definitely worth a look. No, we are not going to get Johnson, but we need more meat at the OLB position. I think we really need to obtain a solid OLB via FA. Even after that happens, we need more OLB help. We can hope that Fox or Caver grow into a job or we can draft for the position. A viable option in the 1st Round.

MLB. Bell was a great pick-up, but we are thin behind him. We have to hope than Mitchell can learn the position behind Bell. Mitchell has the athletic bits, but appears to be missing some of the gray bits. This would be drafting for depth, which renders it unviable this season, IMO.

CB. I am assuming that we will eventually trade a pick [or picks] for Surtain, probably right before the draft. That gives us [2] starters and Sapp at the nickel. Risky, to say the least. If we do not pick up a second-tier CB in FA, the 1st Rounder has to go for a CB.

So, I must disagree with the “any position” approach. FB [heh], OLB and CB are the viable candidates. As much as I would like to add DE, I just do not see Hicks falling out of favor.

xoxo~
Gaz
Still enjoying the image of the Planet after a FB pick at #15.

Coogs
03-21-2005, 08:01 AM
Gaz,

What if that "safety" is the best OLB available, which may be the case with Thomas Davis?

Gaz
03-21-2005, 08:05 AM
No more tweeners, says I.

xoxo~
Gaz
Tweened to the gills.

Coogs
03-21-2005, 08:12 AM
Not sure he is a "tweener". He is more of a football player who can play 2 spots very well.

Gaz
03-21-2005, 08:15 AM
I want a guy who has played the position for years and has developed the instincts for the position. I do not think that is possible when you switch-hit.

JMO, of course.

xoxo~
Gaz
Picky.

Chiefnj
03-21-2005, 08:19 AM
Not sure he is a "tweener". He is more of a football player who can play 2 spots very well.


Merriman is a tweener similar to how Suggs was a tweener a few years ago. That's the type of tweener to sign. Probably a better fit for a 3-4, but he has the makings of being a really good player. He'll be off the board by 20.

Coogs
03-21-2005, 09:26 AM
nj,

I was referring to Davis from Georgia. The title of this thread is draft the best player on the board. Davis could very well be the best player on the board at #15. And he can play OLB. I would not mind the pick at all.

As far a Merriman goes, I have not seen him play. I'll take your word for it, and would not mind if he was our choice either if he is the best player on the board at #15, 'cause I really wanted us to trade up to get Suggs. The Vikings kinda of missed up those plans up with that goof they had that caused the run on players though.

Kyle401
03-21-2005, 10:00 AM
nj,

I was referring to Davis from Georgia. The title of this thread is draft the best player on the board. Davis could very well be the best player on the board at #15. And he can play OLB. I would not mind the pick at all.

As far a Merriman goes, I have not seen him play. I'll take your word for it, and would not mind if he was our choice either if he is the best player on the board at #15, 'cause I really wanted us to trade up to get Suggs. The Vikings kinda of missed up those plans up with that goof they had that caused the run on players though.

I agree on Davis. I think he can play OLB in the NFL and he has played at LB in college before dropping weight and moving to S. He still plays above 220 lbs so it wouldn't be that hard for him to get up to 235 or so in time for his rookie season.

Chiefnj
03-21-2005, 10:13 AM
nj,

I was referring to Davis from Georgia. The title of this thread is draft the best player on the board. Davis could very well be the best player on the board at #15. And he can play OLB. I would not mind the pick at all.

As far a Merriman goes, I have not seen him play. I'll take your word for it, and would not mind if he was our choice either if he is the best player on the board at #15, 'cause I really wanted us to trade up to get Suggs. The Vikings kinda of missed up those plans up with that goof they had that caused the run on players though.

Ahh, different "tweeners."

I don't care what anyone says, and I don't know any secret to how college players project to the NFL, but David Pollack was the heart and soul of that Georgia defense. In college, he was a much more dominating presence on the field than Davis. I'm still of the opinion that Pollack would be the best pick for KC and have the most impact.

It seems to be a really weak year for OLB's in the draft, so I wouldn't be surprised if Davis turned out to be a decent one a few years from now.