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oldandslow
03-20-2005, 12:36 PM
All right this is a Bush bash - I am being completely up front about it.

But when he says we should err on the side of life, how come a Texas Law, signed by then-Governor George W Bush, allows a hospital to withdraw life-sustaining care that is non-beneficial even if the family disagrees. One of the standards includes the ability of the family to pay for the care.

And indeed, a case using this law is happening right now...

Where is the outrage?????Why are the talk shows not going 24-7 about Sun Hudson???Why isn't congress in special session over this????

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3087387

From the Houston Chronicle

Baby dies after hospital removes breathing tube

Case is the first in which a judge allowed a hospital to discontinue care
By LEIGH HOPPER
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

The baby wore a cute blue outfit with a teddy bear covering his bottom. The 17-pound, nearly 6-month-old boy wiggled with eyes open, his mother said, and smacked his lips.

Then at 2 p.m. Tuesday, a medical staffer at Texas Children's Hospital gently removed the breathing tube that had kept Sun Hudson alive since his birth Sept. 25. Cradled by his mother, he took a few breaths, and died.

"I talked to him, I told him that I loved him. Inside of me, my son is still alive," Wanda Hudson told reporters afterward. "This hospital was considered a miracle hospital. When it came to my son, they gave up in six months. ... They made a terrible mistake."

Sun's death marks the first time a U.S. judge has allowed a hospital to discontinue an infant's life-sustaining care against a parent's wishes, according to bioethical experts. A similar case involving a 68-year-old man in a vegetative state at another Houston hospital is before a court now.

"It's sad this thing dragged on for so long. We all feel it's unfair, that a child doesn't have a chance to develop and thrive," said William Winslade, a bioethicist and lawyer who is a professor at the Institute for the Medical Humanities at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston. Paraphrasing the late Catholic theologian and ethicist Richard McCormick, Winslade added, "This isn't murder. It's mercy, and it's appropriate to be merciful in that way. It's not killing, it's stopping pointless treatment."

The hospital's description of Sun that he was motionless and sedated for comfort has differed sharply from the mother's. Since February, the hospital has blocked the media from Hudson's invitation to see the baby, citing privacy concerns.

"I wanted y'all to see my son for yourself," Hudson told reporters. "So you could see he was actually moving around. He was conscious."

On Feb. 16, Harris County Probate Court Judge William C. McCulloch made the landmark decision to lift restrictions preventing Texas Children's from discontinuing care. However, an appeal by Hudson's attorney, Mario Caballero, and a procedural error on McCulloch's part prevented the hospital from acting for four weeks.

Texas law allows hospitals to discontinue life-sustaining care, even if a patient's family members disagree. A doctor's recommendation must be approved by a hospital's ethics committee, and the family must be given 10 days from written notice of the decision to try and locate another facility for the patient.

Texas Children's said it contacted 40 facilities with newborn intensive care units, but none would accept Sun. Without legal delays, Sun's care would have ended Nov. 28.

Sun was born with a fatal form of dwarfism characterized by short arms, short legs and lungs too tiny, doctors said. Nearly all babies born with the incurable condition, often diagnosed in utero, die shortly after birth, genetic counselors say.

Sun was delivered full term at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital, but Hudson, 33, said she had no prenatal care during which his condition might have been discovered.

He was put on a ventilator while doctors figured out what was wrong with him, and Hudson refused when doctors recommended withdrawing treatment.

Texas Children's contended that continuing care for Sun was medically inappropriate, prolonged suffering and violated physician ethics. Hudson argued her son just needed more time to grow and be weaned from the ventilator.

Another case involving a patient on life support a 68-year-old man in a chronic vegetative state whose family wants to stop St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital from turning off his ventilator was scheduled to be heard Tuesday by the Houston-based 1st Court of Appeals. But the case was transferred to the 14th Court of Appeals, which promptly issued a temporary injunction ordering St. Luke's not to remove the man's life support. No hearing date has been set.

Simplex3
03-20-2005, 01:15 PM
Where is the outrage?????Why are the talk shows not going 24-7 about Sun Hudson???Why isn't congress in special session over this????

...because the only tragedy here is that a baby who was born with birth defects too severe for him to live was put on life support in the first place, then kept there for months by his mother. The only person quoted in your article that thought he could "grow out of it" was his mom, a woman too stupid to get prenatal care during pregnancy.

As much as it sucks, leaving that kid in a NICU bed until his mother decides to give up isn't an option for the rest of us. How long do we let him stay there? Until he's 1? 10? 50?

I could probably keep you "alive" well past 150 with enough money and hoses, but should I be forced to because your grandson can't stand the thought of you dying? People die. It happens every day. Lots of them don't die peacefully from old age.

memyselfI
03-20-2005, 01:42 PM
Welcome to Bushworld! :thumb:

mikey23545
03-20-2005, 02:18 PM
Did anyone besides Simplex even read the article?

mikey23545
03-20-2005, 02:32 PM
That's what I thought...

Baby Lee
03-20-2005, 02:34 PM
how come a Texas Law, signed by then-Governor George W Bush, allows a hospital to withdraw life-sustaining care that is non-beneficial even if the family disagrees
Any info on whether Bush was active in championing or discouraging this legislation?
Any info on whether the legislature was prepared to override a veto?
Any thought on whether this info would be useful in deciding whether or not to condemn Bush for signing legislation passed by the Texas legislature?

mikey23545
03-20-2005, 02:45 PM
Any info on whether Bush was active in championing or discouraging this legislation?
Any info on whether the legislature was prepared to override a veto?
Any thought on whether this info would be useful in deciding whether or not to condemn Bush for signing legislation passed by the Texas legislature?

All you've got to do is "read between the lines" like OldAndSimple and MeMeMe...

SoCalBronco
03-20-2005, 03:43 PM
god this political board is almost as bad as ours.

jAZ
03-20-2005, 03:44 PM
All right this is a Bush bash - I am being completely up front about it.

But when he says we should err on the side of life, how come a Texas Law, signed by then-Governor George W Bush, allows a hospital to withdraw life-sustaining care that is non-beneficial even if the family disagrees. One of the standards includes the ability of the family to pay for the care.

And indeed, a case using this law is happening right now...

Where is the outrage?????Why are the talk shows not going 24-7 about Sun Hudson???Why isn't congress in special session over this????

I'm sure that with the "liberal media" that is in control, you'll soon be hearing all about this... which will pressure congress to enact legistation repremanding Bush for his past actions.

mikey23545
03-20-2005, 04:10 PM
Y'all are getting a little desperate, aren't you?

jAZ
03-20-2005, 06:41 PM
Y'all are getting a little desperate, aren't you?
I'm not sure who "Y'all" is exactly, but it does seem kinda odd that Bush would reverse course like this, don'tcha think? Not odd that he would want to cover his tracks after doing so, but odd that he would ever consider doing so.

That is, if he truely acts on principles.

Oh, here's a thought! Maybe the Republican Party, Bush, all of the Republican Congress, all of the Christian Conservatives and anti-abortion activists are really just dancing on this poor lady's grave. Dancing there with the hope that making a public political splash will give Bush, the Republicans in Congress and those same anti-abortion activists an opportunity to try to define the abortion wedge issue even more broadly in the minds of future voters as "a culture of life".

Maybe this is all about political theather and political strategy, and not at all about ethical & moral consistency of judgement.

Ya think?

stevieray
03-20-2005, 06:50 PM
I'm not sure who "Y'all" is exactly, but it does seem kinda odd that Bush would reverse course like this, don'tcha think? Not odd that he would want to cover his tracks after doing so, but odd that he would ever consider doing so.

That is, if he truely acts on principles.

Oh, here's a thought! Maybe the Republican Party, Bush, all of the Republican Congress, all of the Christian Conservatives and anti-abortion activists are really just dancing on this poor lady's grave. Dancing there with the hope that making a public political splash will give Bush, the Republicans in Congress and those same anti-abortion activists an opportunity to try to define the abortion wedge issue even more broadly in the minds of future voters as "a culture of life".

Maybe this is all about political theather and political strategy, and not at all about ethical & moral consistency of judgement.

Ya think?

I think you need to forgive your father.

jAZ
03-20-2005, 07:43 PM
I think you need to forgive your father.
You become more like Brock with each passing day. Not something I'd be particularly proud to show off, but such is your right I guess.

stevieray
03-20-2005, 07:55 PM
You become more like Brock with each passing day. Not something I'd be particularly proud to show off, but such is your right I guess.


Constantly trying to make others the boogeyman is exhausting.

|Zach|
03-20-2005, 08:05 PM
You become more like Brock with each passing day.
heh

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 06:27 PM
I'm not sure who "Y'all" is exactly, but it does seem kinda odd that Bush would reverse course like this, don'tcha think? Not odd that he would want to cover his tracks after doing so, but odd that he would ever consider doing so.

That is, if he truely acts on principles.

Oh, here's a thought! Maybe the Republican Party, Bush, all of the Republican Congress, all of the Christian Conservatives and anti-abortion activists are really just dancing on this poor lady's grave. Dancing there with the hope that making a public political splash will give Bush, the Republicans in Congress and those same anti-abortion activists an opportunity to try to define the abortion wedge issue even more broadly in the minds of future voters as "a culture of life".

Maybe this is all about political theather and political strategy, and not at all about ethical & moral consistency of judgement.

Ya think?
You mean like her husband?