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dirk digler
03-22-2005, 05:27 PM
I found this very good timeline and it documents all of the steps that have taken so far. The court documents that are linked are very interesting.

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

ROUGH TIMELINE AND DECISIONS

I encourage anyone interested in this case to read the judicial decisions that have been entered. Most informative, from a factual point of view, are Judge Greer's orders and the Second District's decisions. The December 2003 guardian ad litem report to Governor Bush provides perhaps the most detailed factual chronology available.

December 1963… Terri's birth date
November 1984… Terri & Michael marry
February 1990… Terri suffers cardiac arrest and a severe loss of oxygen to her brain
May 1990… Terri leaves hospital and is brought to a rehabiliation center for aggressive therapy
July 1990… Terri is brought to the home where her husband and parents live; after a few weeks, she is brought back to the rehabilitation center
November 1990… Terri is taken to California for experimental therapies
January 1991… Terri is returned to Florida and placed at a rehabilitation center in Brandon
July 1991… Terri is transfered to a skilled nursing facility where she receives aggressive physical therapy and speech therapy
May 1992… Michael and the Schindlers stop living together
January 1993… Michael recovers $1 million settlement for medical malpractice claim involving Terri's care; jury had ruled in Michael's favor on allegations Terri's doctors failed to diagnose her bulimia, which led to her heart failure; case settled while on appeal
March 1994… Terri is transferred to a Largo nursing home
May 1998… Michael files petition for court to determine whether Terri's feeding tube should be removed; Michael takes position that Terri would chose to remove the tube; Terri's parents take position that Terri would chose not to remove the tube
February 2000… Following trial, Judge Greer rules that clear and convincing evidence shows Terri would chose not to receive life-prolonging medical care under her current circumstances (i.e., that she would chose to have the tube removed) [READ]
March 2000… Judge Greer denies petition for more swallowing tests, finds it uncontested Terri cannot swallow sufficiently to live [READ]
April 2000… Terri is transferred to a Hospice facility
January 2001… Second District Court of Appeal affirms the trial court's decision regarding Terri's wishes [READ]
April 23, 2001… Florida Supreme Court denies review of the Second District's decision [READ]
April 23 or 24, 2001… Trial court orders feeding tube removed
April 24, 2001… Terri's feeding tube is removed for the first time
April 26, 2001… Terri's parents file motion asserting they have new evidence regarding Terri's wishes
April 26, 2001… Trial court denies Terri's parents' motion as untimely
April 26, 2001… Terri's parents file new legal action against Michael Schiavo and request that the removal of Terri's feeding tube be enjoined; the case is randomly assigned to Judge Quesada
April 26, 2001… Judge Quesada grants the temporary injunction, orders Terri's feeding tube restored
July 2001… Second District rules that Judge Greer erred in denying the motion alleging new evidence and, in essence, orders the trial court to consider whether new circumstances make enforcement of the original order inequitable; Second District also reverses the temporary injunction and orders dismissal of much of the new action filed before Judge Quesada [READ]
(uncertain)… Terri's parents detail their reasons why enforcement is inequitable: (1) new witnesses have new information regarding Terri's wishes, and (2) new medical treatment could sufficiently restore Terri's cognitive functioning such that Terri would decide that, under those circumstances, she would continue life-prolonging measures; Terri's parents also move to disqualify Judge Greer
(uncertain)… Trial court denies both motions as insufficient
October 2001… Second District affirms the denial of the motion to disqualify and the motion regarding the new witnesses; the appellate court reverses the order with regard to potential new medical treatments and orders a trial on that question with doctors testifying for both sides and a court-appointed independent doctor [READ]
March 2002… Florida Supreme Court denies review of the Second District's decision [READ]
October 2002… Judge Greer holds a trial on the new medical treatment issue, hearing from doctors for both sides and a court-appointed independent doctor; Terri's parents also assert that Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state
Schindlers file emergency motion for relief from judgment based on a 1991 bone scan report indicating Terri's body had previously been subjected to trauma
November 22, 2002… Following trial, Judge Greer denies Schindlers' motion for relief (new medical evidence motion), rules that no new treatment offers sufficient promise of improving Terri's cognitive functioning and that Terri is, in fact, in a persistent vegetative state [READ]
November 22, 2002… On this same day, Judge Greer denies Schindlers' emergency motion related to the 1991 bone scan [READ]
June 2003… Second District affirms the trial court's decision denying Schindlers' motion for relief from judgment [READ]
August 22, 2003… Florida Supreme Court denies review of the Second District's decision [READ]
August 30, 2003… Terri's parents file federal action challenging Florida's laws on life-prolonging procedures as unconstitutional
September 17, 2003… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' motion to provide additional therapy, finding it an effort to retry the issues that were previously tried [READ]
October 10, 2003… Federal court dismisses Schindlers' case
October 15, 2003… Terri's feeding tube is removed for the second time
October 20, 2003… Florida House passes a bill to permit the Governor to issue a stay in cases like Terri's and restore her feeding tube
October&nbsp21, 2003… Federal court rejects injunction request
October&nbsp21, 2003… Florida House and Senate pass a bill known informally as "Terri's Law" to permit the Governor to issue a stay in cases like Terri's and restore her feeding tube [READ]; Governor signs the bill into law and immediately orders a stay; Terri is briefly hospitalized while her feeding tube is restored
October&nbsp21, 2003… Michael brings suit against the Governor, asking to enjoin the Governor's stay on grounds "Terri's Law" is unconstitutional; Judge Baird rejects Michael's request for an immediate injunction, allowing the tube to be restored, and requests briefs on the constitutional arguments involving the new law
November 7, 2003… Judge Baird rejects Governor's motion to dismiss Michael's suit and have case litigated in Tallahassee
November 20, 2003… Judge Baird rejects Governor's request for the judge to recuse himself
December 1, 2003… Guardian ad litem appointed under "Terri's Law" to advise Governor submits report to Governor [READ]
December 10, 2003… Second District rejects Governor's effort to have Judge Baird disqualified
April 2004… Second District affirms Judge Baird's decision denying Governor's motion to dismiss and have case litigated in Tallahassee [READ]
May 2004… Judge Baird declares "Terri's Law" unconstitutional on numerous grounds [READ]
June 2004… Second District certifies "Terri's Law" case directly to the Florida Supreme Court
July 2004… Schindlers file new motion for relief from judgment based on Pope John Paul II speech
September 2004… Florida Supreme Court affirms Judge Baird's ruling that "Terri's Law" is unconstitutional [READ]
October&nbsp2004… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' most recent motion for relief from judgment (motion based on Pope John Paul II speech) [READ]
December 1, 2004… Governor asks U.S. Supreme Court to review Florida Supreme Court's decision declaring "Terri's Law" unconstitutional
December 29, 2004… Second District affirms (without written opinion) Judge Greer's ruling denying Schindlers' most recent motion for relief from judgment
January 6, 2005… Schindlers file new motion for relief from judgment, alleging Terri never had her own attorney, that the trial court impermissibly applied the law retroactively, and that the original trial on Terri's wishes violated separation of powers principles
January 24, 2005… U.S. Supreme Court declines review in "Terri's Law" case
February 11, 2005… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' latest motion for relief from judgment (motion raising various due process challenges) [READ]
February 23, 2005… Florida's Department of Children and Families asks to intervene and for 60-day stay to permit investigation of alleged abuse [READ]
February 23, 2005… Schindlers file motion requesting new tests to determine Terri's status [READ]
February 25, 2005… Judge Greer rules motions appear endless, he will grant no further stays; sets March 18 date for removal of feeding tube [READ]
February 28, 2005… Schindlers file motion requesting that Terri be fed orally [READ]
March 2, 2005… Schindlers file new motion for relief from judgment, arguing factual error in original judgment [READ]
March 8, 2005… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' motion to feed Terri orally [READ]
March 9, 2005… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' motion requesting new tests [READ]
March 9, 2005… Judge Greer denies Schindlers' most recent motion for relief from judgment (motion based on factual error) [READ]
March 10, 2005… Judge Greer denies Department of Children and Families request to intervene and for stay, finds agency is free to investigate [READ]
March 16, 2005… Second District affirms Judge Greer's denial of Schindlers' motion raising various due process challenges, emphasizes law has been followed in this case [READ]
March 18, 2005… Schindlers file new federal action arguing due process violations in original trial; case assigned to Judge Moody [READ]
March 18, 2005… Judge Moody denies new federal claim, citing lack of jurisdiction [READ]
March 18, 2005… Congressional committee issues subpoenas for Michael, Terri, and Terri's caregivers to appear at hearing to be held at the hospice where Terri has stayed [READ]
March 18, 2005… Congressional committee files motion to intervene and modify order requiring the removal of Terri's feeding tube
March 18, 2005… Judge Greer denies congressional committee motion, ruling no grounds exist for intervention
March 18, 2005… Congressional committee requests Florida Supreme Court and Second District stay the feeding tube's removal [READ]
March 18, 2005… Terri's feeding tube removed for the third time
March 18, 2005… Florida Supreme Court denies congressional committee request, citing lack of jurisdiction [READ]
March 18, 2005… Second District denies congressional committee request as without merit
March 21, 2005… Congress enacts Terri's Law II, authorizing Terri's parents to seek federal court review of whether Terri's federal rights have been protected [READ]

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 05:30 PM
January 1993… Michael recovers $1 million settlement for medical malpractice claim involving Terri's care; jury had ruled in Michael's favor on allegations Terri's doctors failed to diagnose her bulimia, which led to her heart failure; case settled while on appeal
March 1994… Terri is transferred to a Largo nursing home
May 1998… Michael files petition for court to determine whether Terri's feeding tube should be removed; Michael takes position that Terri would chose to remove the tube; Terri's parents take position that Terri would chose not to remove the tube

Looks like I was wrong, it took Michael five years and a million dollars to remember his wife's wishes.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 05:30 PM
In the December 2003 report to Governor Bush that he asked for it says that all of the money has been exhausted that was won in the malpractice suit.

There goes the right wing theory out the window.

Do people actually read or do they make stuff up?

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 05:33 PM
In the December 2003 report to Governor Bush that he asked for it says that all of the money has been exhausted that was won in the malpractice suit.

There goes the right wing theory out the window.

Do people actually read or do they make stuff up?
2003 is still a number after 1998, isn't it?

More importantly, did the funds get exhausted, or did Michael's portion of the funds get exhausted. Do you have a link?

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 05:34 PM
In 1990 Michael Schiavo was legally appointed legal guardian. Another one out the window.

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 05:34 PM
In 1990 Michael Schiavo was legally appointed legal guardian. Another one out the window.
December 1, 2003… Guardian ad litem appointed under "Terri's Law" to advise Governor submits report to Governor [READ]

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 05:35 PM
2003 is still a number after 1998, isn't it?

More importantly, did the funds get exhausted, or did Michael's portion of the funds get exhausted. Do you have a link?

Am I missing something or just slow? All of the money is gone there is none left for Michael to get.

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 05:38 PM
In the December 2003 report to Governor Bush that he asked for it says that all of the money has been exhausted that was won in the malpractice suit.

There goes the right wing theory out the window.

Do people actually read or do they make stuff up?
So, do you read or make stuff up?

Schiavo funds still in existence, but depleted by Michael's Lawyers (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/17/171335.shtml)

There is still 50,000 of funds left 2 years after your statement above. And Terri's costs have been paid by Medicaid, not the settlement.

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 05:39 PM
Am I missing something or just slow? All of the money is gone there is none left for Michael to get.
Schiavo sued for a mil in 1992, then decided that he remembered Terri wanted to die in 1998. That was well before the funds were depleted in 2003. Your claim that Michael did not act for the money is without any basis in fact as when he made his claim, the funds were there.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 05:40 PM
So, do you read or make stuff up?

Schiavo funds still in existence, but depleted by Michael's Lawyers (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/17/171335.shtml)

There is still 50,000 of funds left 2 years after your statement above. And Terri's costs have been paid by Medicaid, not the settlement.

I am reading this detailed report right now. As of 98 there was around 700,000 dollars left. When I get farther I will let you know.

You should read this it is pretty detailed.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 05:42 PM
The family said in court 2000 that if Terri got gangreen in her limbs that would authorize to amputate her legs. WOW.

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 05:43 PM
I am reading this detailed report right now. As of 98 there was around 700,000 dollars left. When I get farther I will let you know.

You should read this it is pretty detailed.
So in 98, it was worth remembering that she wanted to die?

I will read, thanks.

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 05:44 PM
The family said in court 2000 that if Terri got gangreen in her limbs that would authorize to amputate her legs. WOW.
Does it mention that Michael refused treatment of a simple urinary tract infection she developed?

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 05:45 PM
In 2002 both sides selected 2 doctors and since they couldn't come to agreement the court selected the final one.

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 05:46 PM
This one is interesting:

April 26, 2001… Terri's parents file motion asserting they have new evidence regarding Terri's wishes
Trial court denies Terri's parents' motion as untimely


Since she is still breathing, how is it untimely?

DanT
03-22-2005, 05:47 PM
Thanks for posting that, dirk digler. I ran across that website earlier today and thought its analyses were excellent.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 05:48 PM
This one is interesting:

April 26, 2001… Terri's parents file motion asserting they have new evidence regarding Terri's wishes
Trial court denies Terri's parents' motion as untimely


Since she is still breathing, how is it untimely?

I think that because 2 days earlier the judge issued the feeding tube removed and now the parents are saying there is new evidence. :shrug:

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 05:49 PM
Thanks for posting that, dirk digler. I ran across that website earlier today and thought its analyses were excellent.
Yup, it is the most unbiased I have read to date.

Rep to Digler.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 05:55 PM
Both of Michael Schiavo's doctors were board certified in neurology and only for the parents. The other doctor for the parent was certified in radiology and hyperbaric medicine. WTF is hyperbaric medicine?

The court appointed doctor was board certified in neurology as well.

The court determined that both of Michael doctors and the court appointed were clear and convincing while the parents doctors were not.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:01 PM
Another interesting point. The parents have said from the beginning, except in the last year or so, that Terry is PVS and only recently have they changed their stance. And they said even if she was PVS they want her to live and be maintained with artifical means.

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 06:01 PM
Both of Michael Schiavo's doctors were board certified in neurology and only for the parents. The other doctor for the parent was certified in radiology and hyperbaric medicine. WTF is hyperbaric medicine?

The court appointed doctor was board certified in neurology as well.

The court determined that both of Michael doctors and the court appointed were clear and convincing while the parents doctors were not.
Hyperbaric Medicine - Medicines studied under differing pressures. Usually to increase blood flows or collagen stimulation to replete worn cells.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:02 PM
Hyperbaric Medicine - Medicines studied under differing pressures. Usually to increase blood flows or collagen stimulation to replete worn cells.

Thanks maybe they were looking at to see if her brain would regrow? :shrug:

KCWolfman
03-22-2005, 06:06 PM
Thanks maybe they were looking at to see if her brain would regrow? :shrug:
Nope, their physician is specialized in working with cardiovascular restructuring (according to the website). Increase bloodflow increases the chance of healing almost all physical ailments.,

FloridaChief
03-22-2005, 06:07 PM
Thanks maybe they were looking at to see if her brain would regrow? :shrug:

Yep. Liquified cerebrel cortex's often regenerate themselves. Don't they?

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:07 PM
The report says she is PVS and the CT scans and the brain tests all point to that her cerebal cortex is liquid and that it can't be repaired.
It also said that while he was there, there was no consistent response from Terri even when Michael was there or her parents.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:09 PM
Nope, their physician is specialized in working with cardiovascular restructuring (according to the website). Increase bloodflow increases the chance of healing almost all physical ailments.,

Thanks that is interesting.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:10 PM
Yep. Liquified cerebrel cortex's often regenerate themselves. Don't they?

I don't know that is why I asked.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:13 PM
Another interesting point. When this report was written in 2003 doctors had come forward and said that there were therapies and treatments that can literally regrow Terris functional cerebral cortex brain tissue.

But the president of the American Society of Neuro-Transplation said that was impossible and it hasn't even been tested with animals yet.

FloridaChief
03-22-2005, 06:16 PM
Another interesting point. When this report was written in 2003 doctors had come forward and said that there were therapies and treatments that can literally regrow Terris functional cerebral cortex brain tissue.

But the president of the American Society of Neuro-Transplation said that was impossible and it hasn't even been tested with animals yet.

Perhaps they're thinking of the world's first successful cortex transplant?...

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:19 PM
I encourage anyone that is interested in this case to read the Guardian Ad Litem report that was requested by Gov Bush. It is really fascinating and it pretty says what the courts have found all along and that Terri is PVS.

You can read it here... http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/WolfsonReport.pdf

The point that I won't forget is that until recently the parents never did argue that Terri wasn't PVS. They changed their position in the last 2 years.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:21 PM
Perhaps they're thinking of the world's first successful cortex transplant?...

Who knows? I would bet though that if the parents were the legal guardians I wouldn't put it past them to try something like that. I am not trying to be mean but it seems they want to hold on at any cost regardless of what Terri wanted.

chiefs4me
03-22-2005, 06:44 PM
Who knows? I would bet though that if the parents were the legal guardians I wouldn't put it past them to try something like that. I am not trying to be mean but it seems they want to hold on at any cost regardless of what Terri wanted.




Your post states the truth.....it's all about a parent not being able to let go. It doesn't matter to the momma if her child can talk or walk or think...she still gets to hold her and brush her hair and talk to her and touch her. That's what this is about. Now that said, I have no idea the pain of losing a child, and hope I never have to. But to me the parents are being very cruel, they have had 15 years to say good bye, and 15 years of no reaction from Terri. Let the poor woman go and rest in peace, most parents don't even get to say goodbye....:(

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:48 PM
Your post states the truth.....it's all about a parent not being able to let go. It doesn't matter to the momma if her child can talk or walk or think...she still gets to hold her and brush her hair and talk to her and touch her. That's what this is about. Now that said, I have no idea the pain of losing a child, and hope I never have to. But to me the parents are being very cruel, they have had 15 years to say good bye, and 15 years of no reaction from Terri. Let the poor woman go and rest in peace, most parents don't even get to say goodbye....:(

I feel very very sorry for the parents and I know this has to be hard. Like you I have never lost a child so I can't begin to comprend how they must feel.

BIG_DADDY
03-22-2005, 06:55 PM
This is easily the most overdone story of all time.

dirk digler
03-22-2005, 06:56 PM
This is easily the most overdone story of all time.

I don't know about that I think the Gonzalez kid case is higher.

chiefs4me
03-22-2005, 06:58 PM
This is easily the most overdone story of all time.



Well then how about a little dancing.....PBJ

BIG_DADDY
03-22-2005, 09:43 PM
I don't know about that I think the Gonzalez kid case is higher.
At least it was a life worth saving. We throw his away and prolong the agony here. It would be nice if we got it right for once.

BIG_DADDY
03-22-2005, 09:43 PM
Well then how about a little dancing.....PBJ
PBJ Hey you do that pretty good girl, where did you get those moves?