Bush On the Wrong Side Again

[dirk digler]

First it was the Terry Schiavo case now he is bending over to Vicente Fox and says that the people who are in the Minuteman Project are vigilantes and that he wants to loosen the Immigration Laws. WTF? You can't loosen the immigration laws any more than they are already. We are being over run by illegals and he wants to give them a free pass so Vicente can give him a blow job.

I didn't vote for Bush so he could make things worse. I want my vote back. :mad:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050324-122200-6209r.htm

Bush decries border project


By James G. Lakely
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

WACO, Texas — President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes."
He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.
More than 1,000 people — including 30 pilots and their private planes — have volunteered for the Minuteman Project, beginning next month along the Arizona-Mexico border. Civilians will monitor the movement of illegal aliens for the month of April and report them to the Border Patrol.

[DenverChief]

First it was the Terry Schiavo case now he is bending over to Dicente Fox and says that the people who are in the Minuteman Project are vigilantes and that he wants to loosen the Immigration Laws. WTF? You can't loosen the immigration laws any more than they are already. We are being over run by illegals and he wants to give them a free pass so Dicente can give him a blow job.

I didn't vote for Bush so he could make things worse. I want my vote back. :mad:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050324-122200-6209r.htm

I assume you mean Vicente Fox the president of Mexico?

[Duck Dog]

I agree. Bush is doing nothing to stop the flow of mexicans. I think the militias should shoot them.

This is a huge problem and nothing is being done to stop it.

[dirk digler]

I assume you mean Vicente Fox the president of Mexico?

yeah Vicente or whatever that piece of shit is named.

[Simplex3]

I didn't vote for Bush so he could make things worse. I want my vote back. :mad:

Maybe, if we get lucky, my children might see a President that doesn't have a D or an R beside their name.

It's like neither major party can get their act completely together. Republican voters bust their ass and give power over the entire federal govt and a majority of the govornorships, including Cali-freaking-fornia, to their party only to have the elected representitives puss out and start pandering to various minorities and illegals just like the libs had been doing.

If the Republicans keep this crap up they can expect to lose more than they win until they straighten up and fly right.

[memyselfI]

I didn't vote for Bush so he could make things worse. I want my vote back. :mad:



I see a potential money making idea here. Imagine the bumper sticker market yet to come. :hmmm:

[Hydrae]

I have always found it interesting that the people who complain the most about the immigration problems along the Mexican border don't live in the border states.

[Simplex3]

I have always found it interesting that the people who complain the most about the immigration problems along the Mexican border don't live in the border states.
You think they stop in border states? My in-laws live in Northern IA and the economy and judicial systems up there are taking a beating with illegals right now. By and far the majority of the arrests are illegals, for theft, domestic violence, etc.

[KCWolfman]

I have always found it interesting that the people who complain the most about the immigration problems along the Mexican border don't live in the border states.
Who says you have to live on the border? The KC Metro area predicts that Hispanics will outnumber Blacks within the next 7 years at the current rate of increase - and the majority will be illegal immigrants.

[Hydrae]

I just think there are better answers than closing our borders to people who are so desperate to get here. And yes, I believe that the problem is worse along the border states where they are coming across rather than states where they have had to travel hundreds of miles further to settle.

I agree that there are huge problems related to these illegals getting state and federal funds but also feel that the bigger issue is the programs that are being abused in the first place. But then again, I have been against welfare in general since I was old enough to know what it was.

In general I just feel it is elitist of those of us in this country (who's ancestors for the most part came here from somewhere else) to say that these people have no right to be here. Why is it okay for my great grandfather to have come here in the 1800's but not for Pablo to come here in 2005? I know the Statue of Liberty came from the root of all evil (France) but I still agree with what it says about "give me your poor, weary and downtrodden." I get the impression that a lot of people feel that this country is too good for some people and, as I said already, is a terribly arrogant perspective.

[KCWolfman]

I just think there are better answers than closing our borders to people who are so desperate to get here. And yes, I believe that the problem is worse along the border states where they are coming across rather than states where they have had to travel hundreds of miles further to settle.

I agree that there are huge problems related to these illegals getting state and federal funds but also feel that the bigger issue is the programs that are being abused in the first place. But then again, I have been against welfare in general since I was old enough to know what it was.

In general I just feel it is elitist of those of us in this country (who's ancestors for the most part came here from somewhere else) to say that these people have no right to be here. Why is it okay for my great grandfather to have come here in the 1800's but not for Pablo to come here in 2005? I know the Statue of Liberty came from the root of all evil (France) but I still agree with what it says about "give me your poor, weary and downtrodden." I get the impression that a lot of people feel that this country is too good for some people and, as I said already, is a terribly arrogant perspective.
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that my family busted their ass and did things the legal way when they came from Scotland to earn their rights to citizenship here and I find it horribly offensive that Manuel only has to hop on over and get all the assistance he wants from my paycheck?

However, I don't blame Manuel at all. Hell, a good father would do such a thing for his family if they needed it. I blame Manuel's country and our own.

If you are going to use quotes such as "Give me your poor", I also suggest "the poor will be with you always". It does not say give me everyone of your poor and those who are not poor here will pay their way.

[Hydrae]

Which again leads to the problem not being with them coming here but with our government deciding that those of us with money should support those without. That problem is not with the immigrants but with the programs that are being abused. And that abuse is not just by those who are coming to the country now as we all know.

[dirk digler]

I just think there are better answers than closing our borders to people who are so desperate to get here. And yes, I believe that the problem is worse along the border states where they are coming across rather than states where they have had to travel hundreds of miles further to settle.

I agree that there are huge problems related to these illegals getting state and federal funds but also feel that the bigger issue is the programs that are being abused in the first place. But then again, I have been against welfare in general since I was old enough to know what it was.

In general I just feel it is elitist of those of us in this country (who's ancestors for the most part came here from somewhere else) to say that these people have no right to be here. Why is it okay for my great grandfather to have come here in the 1800's but not for Pablo to come here in 2005? I know the Statue of Liberty came from the root of all evil (France) but I still agree with what it says about "give me your poor, weary and downtrodden." I get the impression that a lot of people feel that this country is too good for some people and, as I said already, is a terribly arrogant perspective.


The difference being we didn't have terrorists trying to kill us back then. This is a national security issue as well with trying to not be over run with illegals. I find it sickening that they can come into this country and get free healthcare and benefits while we hard working Americans have to bust our ass every day to get the equal benefits they have. It makes me want to puke and fuggin Bush wants to loosen the immigration policy.

I want my vote back I can't take it anymore. :cuss:

[recycle]

First it was the Terry Schiavo case now he is bending over to Vicente Fox and says that the people who are in the Minuteman Project are vigilantes and that he wants to loosen the Immigration Laws. WTF? You can't loosen the immigration laws any more than they are already. We are being over run by illegals and he wants to give them a free pass so Vicente can give him a blow job.

I didn't vote for Bush so he could make things worse. I want my vote back. :mad:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050324-122200-6209r.htm
Bush is universally known as the corporate president. Of course he's going to side with the corporations in their bid to lower the US wages with illegal labor.

What Bush won't do is something good for the lower or middle classes.

[KCWolfman]

Bush is universally known as the corporate president. Of course he's going to side with the corporations in their bid to lower the US wages with illegal labor.

What Bush won't do is something good for the lower or middle classes.
Based upon what data?

As far as I know, there is still a minimum wage law in effect, isn't there?

[recycle]

yep, and that's why corporations and pro-corp presidents want illegal aliens--to undercut minimum wage and labor laws.

[Cannibal]

yep, and that's why corporations and pro-corp presidents want illegal aliens--to undercut minimum wage and labor laws.

They also want their vote.

[KCWolfman]

yep, and that's why corporations and pro-corp presidents want illegal aliens--to undercut minimum wage and labor laws.
So they want to break the laws? Aren't they fined for such actions? If I were an out of work employee and knew my former company was hiring illegals, I would report them.

By the same token, the leftists of this country want to increase the influx as well. Eventually having their naturalized children born into a cycle of government handouts and working toward getting the illegals health care, driver's license and voting rights increases their power base as well, doesn't it?

[mikey23545]

Damn it, Bush! :cuss:

[Darkwolfe]

I have always found it interesting that the people who complain the most about the immigration problems along the Mexican border don't live in the border states.

I used to live in Texas. Let's just say that the Texas Border Patrol had lot of fun when some dummy in a battered 4x4 tried to drive across the Rio Grande.

[stevieray]

In general I just feel it is elitist of those of us in this country (who's ancestors for the most part came here from somewhere else) to say that these people have no right to be here. Why is it okay for my great grandfather to have come here in the 1800's but not for Pablo to come here in 2005? I know the Statue of Liberty came from the root of all evil (France) but I still agree with what it says about "give me your poor, weary and downtrodden." I get the impression that a lot of people feel that this country is too good for some people and, as I said already, is a terribly arrogant perspective.

That was over 200 years ago with an almost empty continent.

We are headed for a medical and financial disaster....like every Democracy before us...we are in the complacency, apathy, dependacy cycle.

[recycle]

By the same token, the leftists of this country want to increase the influx as well. Eventually having their naturalized children born into a cycle of government handouts and working toward getting the illegals health care, driver's license and voting rights increases their power base as well, doesn't it?
Based upon what data?

"Turnabout is fair play." ;)

[recycle]

That was over 200 years ago with an almost empty continent.

We are headed for a medical and financial disaster....like every Democracy before us...we are in the complacency, apathy, dependacy cycle.
200 years later it's still an almost empty continent w/an avg oF 66 peeps/square mile. ;)

I agree wholeheartedly that the US is declining, and I agree it's part of the inevitable cycle. And it's neither the democrats' nor the republicans' fault. It's the people's fault for being sheep--that wooly mammal Iowanian is so fond of--and permitting the government to cannabalize the country.

"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." -George Bernard Shaw

If you disagree, fine. But own up to the confrontation and discuss it here in the thread rather than cowering behind reputation points.

[KCWolfman]

Based upon what data?

"Turnabout is fair play." ;)
The repealing of years of hard work by Pete Wilson?

[recycle]

I guess I'm not as current as you, Wolfman, on PW. what did he do to repeal "years of hard work"?

[KCWolfman]

I guess I'm not as current as you, Wolfman, on PW. what did he do to repeal "years of hard work"?
Obviously you didn't read my post. I never stated Pete Wilson repealed anything.

[recycle]

Obviously you didn't read my post. I never stated Pete Wilson repealed anything.
OMFG, is semantics like your fav game besides pocket pool? so wtf did you mean?
The repealing of years of hard work by Pete Wilson?

[KCWolfman]

OMFG, is semantics like your fav game besides pocket pool? so wtf did you mean?
Ahh, now the insults begin to escalate. Is English your primary language?

I will restructure the sentence for you so that you may spend more time on your smack as it is about as lame as Christopher Reeves.

The years of hard work by Pete Wilson in the 90s were repealed.

Does that help you?

[go bowe]

200 years later it's still an almost empty continent w/an avg oF 66 peeps/square mile. ;)

I agree wholeheartedly that the US is declining, and I agree it's part of the inevitable cycle. And it's neither the democrats' nor the republicans' fault. It's the people's fault for being sheep--that wooly mammal Iowanian is so fond of--and permitting the government to cannabalize the country.

"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." -George Bernard Shaw

If you disagree, fine. But own up to the confrontation and discuss it here in the thread rather than cowering behind reputation points.stevie ray cowering?

i don't think so...

[recycle]

A little. I misunderstood what you were saying above. Sorry about that.

It can be so confusing when I read things in the passive voice.The repealing of years of hard work by Pete Wilson?
...can be taken a # of ways. It can be inferred as 1) "Pete Wilson's hard work was repealed." 2) "Pete Wilson repealed years of hard work." 3) it doesn't logically imply anything, since it's phrased as a question.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the passive voice, but if you can say the same thing in the active mode, do so.... Your text will have more pizzazz as a result, since passive verb constructions tend to lie about in their pajamas and avoid actual work.
http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/passive.htm

Passive voice slows down your writing and makes it wordy.... Using more active verbs eliminates wordiness and makes what you have written more interesting to read.
http://www.asu.edu/duas/wcenter/passive.html

The primary reason why your instructors frown on the passive voice is that they often have to guess what you mean. Sometimes, the confusion is minor.
http://www.unc.edu/depts/wcweb/handouts/passivevoice.html

Now we're back to square one. I guess I'm not as current as you, Wolfman, on PW. what's the story on PW's "years of hard work" being repealed? who repealed it? why? what does it have to do with your original claim?
By the same token, the leftists of this country want to increase the influx as well. Eventually having their naturalized children born into a cycle of government handouts and working toward getting the illegals health care, driver's license and voting rights increases their power base as well, doesn't it?

[KCWolfman]

A little. I misunderstood what you were saying above. Sorry about that.

It can be so confusing when I read things in the passive voice.
...can be taken a # of ways. It can be inferred as 1) "Pete Wilson's hard work was repealed." 2) "Pete Wilson repealed years of hard work." 3) it doesn't logically imply anything, since it's phrased as a question.


http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/passive.htm


http://www.asu.edu/duas/wcenter/passive.html


http://www.unc.edu/depts/wcweb/handouts/passivevoice.html

Now we're back to square one. I guess I'm not as current as you, Wolfman, on PW. what's the story on PW's "years of hard work" being repealed? who repealed it? why? what does it have to do with your original claim?
What was that you were bitching about me parsing and using semantics?

[recycle]

What was that you were bitching about me parsing and using semantics?
Again, I misunderstood what you were saying above. If it's not too much trouble, would you mind using the active voice?

So.... What's the story on PW's "years of hard work" being repealed? who repealed it? why? what does it have to do with your original claim?