America by the Numbers - No. 1?

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America by the Numbers
No. 1?

by Michael Ventura
February 23, 2005

No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1. Well...this is the country you really live in:

The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).

The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

"The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).

Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!

"The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).

"Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).

Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).

Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.

The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80). Pay more, get lots, lots less.

"The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.

Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)

"U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.

Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).

The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).

"Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.

"Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).

"Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies...are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).

The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).

U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).

Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).

Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.

Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis hadn’t shown up for their election, no country in the world would think that election legitimate.

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America by the Numbers
No. 1?

by Michael Ventura
February 23, 2005
One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).

"Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).

"Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).

Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).

"Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).

"The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.
“The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment." -Robert M. Hutchins

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Yawn

[SBK]

I make it a point never to read anything from a lib about how bad the US is. If it's so bad move somewhere else, there's millions of folks that would give anything to take your place here.

[Slayer]

Just by sight I can tell you that two of those are wrong, and I have CIA documentation around here somewhere that proves it.

[BIG_DADDY]

What is it with the new freaks that have been posting here lately? Why liberals think they are so much smarter than everyone else is beyond me.

Cat person, figures.

[KCWolfman]

So why aren't Mexicans illegally emigrating to countries with better reading skills and the ability to know the center of the solar system?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

So why aren't Mexicans illegally emigrating to countries with better reading skills and the ability to know the center of the solar system?


Because no one else will starve their own people in order to feed, clothe, and provide medical care to them.

[BIG_DADDY]

Because no one else will starve their own people in order to feed, clothe, and provide medical care to them.

Good answer!!! ROFL

[Michael Michigan]

From Dennis Leary's, I'm an a$$hole...

You know why?

'Cause we got the bombs, that's why.

Two words, Nuclear fuggin' Weapons OK.


Russia, Germany, Romania,
They can have all the democracy they want.
They can have a big democracy cake,
Walk right through the middle of Tienemen Square,
And it won't make a lick of difference,

Because we got the bombs OK!


John Wayne's not dead,
He's frozen.


And as soon as we find a cure for cancer, we're gonna thaw out the duke.


And he's gonna be pretty pissed off...

[mikey23545]

This thread starter is pretty much like proving the Patriots really aren't world champs because of their relative lack of superstars.

It's just a typical libbie having a little wet-dream/tantrum/It's America's fault/fantasy episode.

Just move along...

[Ari Chi3fs]

I think I would like to pick up that book European Dream... sounds interesting.

EDIT: Amazon, baby $8

The Reviews of this book are resounding. Im gonna read it. It only makes sense that we are lagging behind in many areas. We have been dumbed down. Yet, we maintain a facade of superiority in all areas, whereas our foundation is crumbling.

[Brock]

Amazing that anyone wants to live here.

[Mr. Kotter]

Amazing that anyone wants to live here.

Yeah, the media and television are fooling all those stupid bastards that immigrate here--and keep America as the number one immigrant destination.

[Brock]

Yeah, the media and television are fooling all those stupid bastards that immigrate here--and keep America as the number one immigrant destination.

That is an interesting point. Perhaps the reason we suck at school is because of all the immigrants. ROFL

[Mr. Kotter]

.... Perhaps the reason we suck at school is because of all the immigrants. ROFL

As a teacher at a large public HS, I GUARANTEE that is a significant part of the "problem" with test scores. We test everyone, and hold them to the same standard---other countries would laugh at the suggestion of doing that.

Of course, I could be wrong--we'll have to check with John to see if I have made a mistake, whether purposeful or inadvertant.

[SCTrojan]

I notice a lot of the comparisons are made with Europe, which is made up of about 40 countries or so. Not sure that some of those comparisons are relevant - one country vs. an entire continent.

[Mr. Kotter]

I notice a lot of the comparisons are made with Europe, which is made up of about 40 countries or so. Not sure that some of those comparisons are relevant - one country vs. an entire continent.

Let's not confuse America's haters with facts and valid basis of comparison criteria. :rolleyes:

[|Zach|]

Of course, I could be wrong--we'll have to check with John to see if I have made a mistake, whether purposeful or inadvertant.
Once John throws something at you be sure to check the local news for your take.

[Mr. Kotter]

Once John throws something at you be sure to check the local news for your take.

Nah, I've been informed that even expert local commentary is superceded in this world by the wisdom of John.

Sorry I was late coming to this realization--or should I say, revelation? :hmmm:

[|Zach|]

Nah, I've been informed that even expert local commentary is superceded in this world by the wisdom of John.

Sorry I was late coming to this realization--or should I say, revelation? :hmmm:
You only came to this revelation when you were exposed...you have started this whole "Go Bo is the sole distributor of absolute truth" schtick when you couldn't spin anymore.

[Mr. Kotter]

As a teacher at a large public HS, I GUARANTEE that is a significant part of the "problem" with test scores. We test everyone, and hold them to the same standard---other countries would laugh at the suggestion of doing that.

Of course, I could be wrong--we'll have to check with John to see if I have made a mistake, whether purposeful or inadvertant.

I should qualify that bolded part more carefully before someone picks my statement apart.....

"Everyone" means about 98.5% of all students....does not include mainstreamed disabled children with the cerebral abilities of Terri Shaive who are awaiting compassionate murder by the state, nor does it include immigrants who've been in "school" less than 12 months. Those are the only "types" of exemptions made (by types, yes there are other "rare" circumstances on which students may be excluded.)

If my original statement was vague, or sufficiently obtuse as to "mislead" anyone, I sincerely wish to apologize.

That compares to many Europeans countries who ONLY test the top 1/3 to 1/2 of their students--the "university bound" ones.

Of course, such a distinction really isn't likely important.... :rolleyes:

[Mr. Kotter]

You only came to this revelation when you were exposed...you have started this whole "Go Bo is the sole distributor of absolute truth" schtick when you couldn't spin anymore.

Of course, a broken man is one who has hope....that he can recover, and discover the error of his ways, and the wisdom of others.

[|Zach|]

Of course, a broken man is one who has hope....that he can recover, and discover the error of his ways, and the wisdom of others.
Heh, well good luck with your gimmick. They have worked well in the past.

[Brock]

Go Bo is the sole distributor of absolute truth.

Go Bo is Buddha?

[|Zach|]

Go Bo is Buddha?
Indeed...

Who would of thought? Makes for a good drinking buddy.

[Mr. Kotter]

Heh, well good luck with your gimmick. They have worked well in the past.

How about a classic from Iowanian:

"Suk my baows."

And have a nice day.

[Radar Chief]

Go Bo is Buddha?

At least in the physique department, according to him that is. ;)

[|Zach|]

How about a classic from Iowanian:

"Suk my baows."

And have a nice day.
Spoken like a man that has been exposed time and time again. ROFL

I love it.

[Mr. Kotter]

Spoken like a man that has been exposed time and time again. ROFL

I love it.

I've exposed myself to you?

Er.....eh.....what the Fugg were you lookin for, meatpeeker?

[|Zach|]

I've exposed myself to you?

Er.....eh.....what the Fugg were you lookin for, meatpeeker?
Someone has taken on the wit (or lack therof) of the students he is teaching.

[Mr. Kotter]

Someone has taken on the wit (or lack therof) of the students he is teaching.

says Mr. Maturity....heh.

Skillet, meet the Kettle....

[|Zach|]

says Mr. Maturity....heh.

Skillet, meet the Kettle....
Hey I am not the guy who needs an internet message board to be my psychologist.

Hopefully I have not done anything to get in the way of CP's progess with you.

[Mr. Kotter]

Hey I am not the guy who needs an internet message board to be my psychologist.

Hopefully I have not done anything to get in the way of CP's progess with you.

You really take stuff here seriously don't you....I mean, really seriously.

I know I do, sometimes; ENDelt never does....but, hell, this place IS reality for you, isn't it? That others use it as entertainment/ amusement/ escape/ outlet-for-temporary boredom is truly beyond your capacity to understand..... :hmmm:

[|Zach|]

but, hell, this place IS reality for you, isn't it?
I am sure it would make you feel a lot better to believe that so I would run with it. See where it takes you.

[Mr. Kotter]

I am sure it would make you feel a lot better to believe that so I would run with it. See where it takes you.

I've visited your web site; too bad Freud isn't around to analyze that....heh.

[|Zach|]

I've visited your web site; too bad Freud isn't around to analyze that....heh.
Ya that sucks...good thing its paying my rent.

[Mr. Kotter]

Ya that sucks...good thing its paying my rent.

Sellin' crack could pay your rent for a while too.

[|Zach|]

Sellin' crack could pay your rent for a while too.
Ha, not my style. I don't need anymore run ins with the law. Besides, the fraternities have the market cornered. ROFL

[Duck Dog]

If weren't the best nation in the world as a whole, other countries wouldn't hate us.

[Mr. Kotter]

If weren't the best nation in the world as a whole, other countries wouldn't hate us.

No, they hate us because we are EVIL....evil I tell you.

[trndobrd]

Jeremy Rifkin has been telling the world that the end is near since the early '80s.

ZZZ

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WTF is BigChiefDave (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=115) so afraid of? He silently cowers in the corner, shining Iowanian's cigarette-c0ck, then leave me negative rep for this post.

If you got something to say, pull your stubs out of Iowanian's mustache and get over here. The rep system ain't a discussion board. Own up to your opinions.

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So why aren't Mexicans illegally emigrating to countries with better reading skills and the ability to know the center of the solar system?

cuz their friends and family are already here, and we unofficially welcome them all. That is, we don't stop them from entering.

then there's the whole swimming thing. it's imaginably easier to cross the Rio Grande than the Atlantic.

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Amazing that anyone wants to live here.
not really. After all, we are undeniably the richest and the strongest--and IMO the best overall.

The point of this post is that we're not infallible and we seem to be slipping.

[KCWolfman]

cuz their friends and family are already here, and we unofficially welcome them all. That is, we don't stop them from entering.

then there's the whole swimming thing. it's imaginably easier to cross the Rio Grande than the Atlantic.
Hmmm, I just don't hear about illegal Europeans leaving Latvia and Czechoslovakia en masse and swarming into Switzerland to take advantage of their superior schools systems.

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Hmmm, I just don't hear about illegal Europeans leaving Latvia and Czechoslovakia en masse and swarming into Switzerland to take advantage of their superior schools systems.
You read a lot of Swiss newspapers?

[KCWolfman]

You read a lot of Swiss newspapers?
Is that a requirement?

I hear about floods of people leaving Somalia and Ethopia, yet I don't read Somali or Amharic.

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Is that a requirement?

I hear about floods of people leaving Somalia and Ethopia, yet I don't read Somali or Amharic.
Don't be so arrogant as to think that just because you haven't heard about something doesn't mean it's not happening.

[BCD]

How nice. A hate-filled liberal that will soon implode and be banned or asked to be...

[BCD]

WTF is BigChiefDave (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=115) so afraid of? He silently cowers in the corner, shining Iowanian's cigarette-c0ck, then leave me negative rep for this post.

If you got something to say, pull your stubs out of Iowanian's mustache and get over here. The rep system ain't a discussion board. Own up to your opinions.
:deevee: Asshat! There, everyone can see it now. Dickwad!

[KCFalcon59]

recount?

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recount of what?

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How nice. A hate-filled liberal that will soon implode and be banned or asked to be...
why? cuz the noob doesn't share your group think mentality?

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:deevee: Asshat! There, everyone can see it now. Dickwad!
If you have something to say regarding this thread, please say it. Otherwise, please go back to the Romper Room sub forum.

[Mr. Kotter]

why? cuz the noob doesn't share your group think mentality?

Sure; that's it, Recount....er, I mean, recycled...

[go bowe]

As a teacher at a large public HS, I GUARANTEE that is a significant part of the "problem" with test scores. We test everyone, and hold them to the same standard---other countries would laugh at the suggestion of doing that.

Of course, I could be wrong--we'll have to check with John to see if I have made a mistake, whether purposeful or inadvertant.hee hee hee :D

when discussing secondary education, i defer to your expertise...

and find your insights to be very interesting and informative...





sorry to disappoint... ROFL ROFL ROFL

[go bowe]

:deevee: Asshat! There, everyone can see it now. Dickwad!thanks... :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[KCWolfman]

Don't be so arrogant as to think that just because you haven't heard about something doesn't mean it's not happening.
Perhaps I am wrong, I will be glad to admit so once you provide a link.

[penchief]

This thread starter is pretty much like proving the Patriots really aren't world champs because of their relative lack of superstars.

It's just a typical libbie having a little wet-dream/tantrum/It's America's fault/fantasy episode.

Just move along...

It's refreshing to know that conservatives don't lump all liberals as typically hating America. I'm glad that conservatives realize that neither side of the aisle has a monopoly on America-hating. I'm grateful that conservatives recognize infamous America-haters within their own ranks like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

I'll take a million John Lennons before I'd take one Tim McVeigh.

[BCD]

If you have something to say regarding this thread, please say it. Otherwise, please go back to the Romper Room sub forum.Go **** your mother...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

It's refreshing to know that conservatives don't lump all liberals as typically hating America. I'm glad that conservatives realize that neither side of the aisle has a monopoly on America-hating. I'm grateful that conservatives recognize infamous America-haters within their own ranks like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

I'll take a million John Lennons before I'd take one Tim McVeigh.


Don't forget about David Koresh. Everyone knows Jesus Christ was a Republican.

[Duck Dog]

It's refreshing to know that conservatives don't lump all liberals as typically hating America. I'm glad that conservatives realize that neither side of the aisle has a monopoly on America-hating. I'm grateful that conservatives recognize infamous America-haters within their own ranks like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

I'll take a million John Lennons before I'd take one Tim McVeigh.

Not all liberals are American hating. But, why do you suppose they never spread postive news about America. Why is it that they only bring up and discuss her negativities?

[penchief]

Not all liberals are American hating. But, why do you suppose they never spread postive news about America. Why is it that they only bring up and discuss her negativities?

That is your interpretation and the interpretation of many conservatives on this board. However, I happen to think that it is not entirely accurate. The criticisms of this country have come from both sides of the aisle, IMO.

My gripe is not with the country that I love and respect. It is with the Bush Administration and the Retrocons. When the previous administration was in power all we heard coming from conservatives was non-stop pissing and moaning about the terrible plight this country was in and how deplorable the president was.

My objections have always pertained to policies and behavior relevant to the conduct of the people's business. Policies and behavior that I believe to be detrimental to the long-term prosperity and security of the country I love. I don't like watching this administration undermine some of the very same principles that have made this country great. I don't hate America and neither do the majority of liberals.

Because I love my country, I can't stand by and watch it go down the tubes at the hands of what I believe to be overzealous ideologues hell-bent on imposing a very narrow agenda on the rest of us by hook or by crook.

[Duck Dog]

That is your interpretation and the interpretation of many conservatives on this board. However, I happen to think that it is not entirely accurate. The criticisms of this country have come from both sides of the aisle, IMO.




Yes criticism does come from all sides. But there is one side that never teslls the positive side. Not one liberal here has ever posted a positive article about America or the soldiers who fight for her.

They dodge that like the plague.

I can only assume why the dodge it. because as long as Bush in the WH or as long as a Rep is in the WH, noting can be good. They ahve to scare everyone into believing the sky is falling.

Now, I'm not saying that some criticism isn't due. But they make it obvious that they are dodging anything positive. A positive story about America and or her soldiers is not possible for them.

[jAZ]

Perhaps I am wrong, I will be glad to admit so once you provide a link.
http://www.renewal.ca/horse-cart.jpg

[jAZ]

Lie #5.
But there is one side that never teslls the positive side. Not one liberal here has ever posted a positive article about America or the soldiers who fight for her.
You are on a delusional roll...

:clap:

[penchief]

Yes criticism does come from all sides. But there is one side that never teslls the positive side. Not one liberal here has ever posted a positive article about America or the soldiers who fight for her.

They dodge that like the plague.

I can only assume why the dodge it. because as long as Bush in the WH or as long as a Rep is in the WH, noting can be good. They ahve to scare everyone into believing the sky is falling.

Now, I'm not saying that some criticism isn't due. But they make it obvious that they are dodging anything positive. A positive story about America and or her soldiers is not possible for them.

That's not true either. I was on here before the elections in Iraq stating that I agreed with the president's decision to have them on the scheduled date. I agreed with going into Afganistan. I agreed with the idea of removing Saddam (but not the way this president went about it). The problem for a lot of liberals is that the Cheneyburton Administration is so determined to impose their pro-corporate, faith-based agenda so thoroughly and so often through unsavory methods that it has become an all-out assault on our sensibilities.

I diametrically oppose nearly every thing that comes from this administration. Whether it is their intentional dishonesty, their shoot-first think later approach, their undermining of worker protections and benefits, their deregulation of environmental standards, their secrecy, their hypocricy, their flip-flopping, their distaste for diplomacy, their saber-rattling that borders on war-mongering, their propaganda, etc, etc, etc. It's all unAmerican behavior and I find it unacceptable.

Honestly, this White House gives progressives a lot to be unhappy about.

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Honestly, this White House gives progressives a lot to be unhappy about.
Oh so true!

but I still love the USA and wouldn't choose anywhere else to live.

[jAZ]

Just because liberals object to nearly every policy this administration chooses to advance, says absolutely NOTHING about their lack of love this this country.

In fact, it says EVERYTHING about their love for what this country is and can be, and everything about their distaste for this administration's vision of what they want to turn this nation into.

This nation was a better place before the fundie's and the anti-tax crowd voted in a spiritual figurehead to be President. It will be a better place again once he (and his policies) are gone. And in either case, this nation is the only nation I want to ever call "home".

Just because I love my country doesn't mean I have to love the direction this particular set of leaders what to take it into. I might not love the world they envision nearly as much as I love it today.

That's their fault, not mine.

[stevieray]

That's their fault, not mine.

Your happiness isn't guaranteed, it's the pursuit.

This sixties victim mantra has already produced enough diysfunction to bring down two small countires. Not much left to trivialize, is there?

Remember this when a one parent, dumbdowned and desensitized generation approves you for euthenasia.

[jAZ]

Your happiness isn't guaranteed, it's the pursuit.
And that I find happiness in "pursuit" of the different world-view than a fundamentalist Republican... doesn't at all mean that i don't love this country, have hope for it's future of sit in wonder at it's potential.

No matter how many times some ignorant, manipulative and nearly immoral Republican tries to suggest otherwise.

In fact it's quite the opposite. Liberals wouldn't waste their time and effort trying to re-direct the course these leaders are trying to take this nation on... if they didn't truely love this country.

Much like a parent who sticks with their "troubled" child, no matter how many times they are met with some kind of resistance. They try to stear that child onto the right path, only because they love the child and want to see it succeed in life.

[KCWolfman]

And that I find happiness in "pursuit" of the different world-view than a fundamentalist Republican... doesn't at all mean that i don't love this country, have hope for it's future of sit in wonder at it's potential.

No matter how many times some ignorant, manipulative and nearly immoral Republican tries to suggest otherwise.

In fact it's quite the opposite. Liberals wouldn't waste their time and effort trying to re-direct the course these leaders are trying to take this nation on... if they didn't truely love this country.

Much like a parent who sticks with their "troubled" child, no matter how many times they are met with some kind of resistance. They try to stear that child onto the right path, only because they love the child and want to see it succeed in life.

Ignorant manipulative immoral Republican
Liberals love country, try to steer it right



Anyone else looking for a propaganda sandwich?

[jAZ]

Ignorant manipulative immoral Republican
Liberals love country, try to steer it right



Anyone else looking for a propaganda sandwich?
Your suggestion -- that my pointing out that "some" Republican just may be ignorant, manipulative and immoral and that liberals actually do in fact love their country... is somehow "propaganda" -- says everything anyone needs to know about who I might be refering to.

[KCWolfman]

Your suggestion -- that my pointing out that "some" Republican just may be ignorant, manipulative and immoral and that liberals actually do in fact love their country... is somehow "propaganda" -- says everything anyone needs to know about who I might be refering to.
Sorry, I am usually more forthright with my slams. I didn't realize you were subtley suggesting your own instead of just outright stating what your issue was.

[stevieray]

Your suggestion -- that my pointing out that "some" Republican just may be ignorant, manipulative and immoral and that liberals actually do in fact love their country... is somehow "propaganda" -- says everything anyone needs to know about who I might be refering to.

And here lies the crux of Jaz, the people he labels are responsible for his actions. Always the victim.

Now tell us about your degrees and companies, right before you tell how your happiness is being hindered.

[jAZ]

Sorry, I am usually more forthright with my slams. I didn't realize you were subtley suggesting your own instead of just outright stating what your issue was.
The optimist in me says that there is hope for a new KCWolfman. The realist in me says you peaked years ago.

:shrug:

[jAZ]

And here lies the crux of Jaz, the people he labels are responsible for his actions. Always the victim.

Now tell us about your degrees and companies, right before you tell how your happiness is being hindered.
ROFL

I'm sure that makes sense to someone, somewhere.

[KCWolfman]

The optimist in me says that there is hope for a new KCWolfman. The realist in me says you peaked years ago.

:shrug:
Well, that means you are halfway ahead of me or halfway behind, as I don't share the optimism for you at all.

[go bowe]

Well, that means you are halfway ahead of me or halfway behind, as I don't share the optimism for you at all.behind...







i just couldn't resist saying it... :) :) :)

[jAZ]

Well, that means you are halfway ahead of me or halfway behind, as I don't share the optimism for you at all.
I guess all those planet conservatives were wrong when they said conservatives are optimistic and liberals aren't.

Who knew?