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Woodrow Call
03-26-2005, 10:38 PM
I read this on Foxsports sorry if a repost

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3491568

Darryl Blackstock, Virginia LB
Pro Day at the University of Virginia was on Wednesday (March 23). I wasn't really nervous. I knew that whatever was going to happen would happen, so I ate my ham, egg and cheese sandwich from Burger King and got prepared to run.
Along with about 15 of my Virginia teammates, I worked out for scouts from almost every NFL team. I ran a 4.56 and a 4.61 in the 40-yard sprint. I am pleased with my times, and I think they helped my draft status. I also did a 60-yard shuttle run, but I didn't do any other drills. It was raining outside, but the workout was held indoors, so my times were not compromised.

I spoke with representatives from Miami, Kansas City and New Orleans. I have been a big Chiefs fan for a long time because my stepdad liked them, so K.C. could be a good place to play. :thumb:

I probably won't be going to New York for the draft. I'm planning on having my friends and family with me at my house. I'm going to try to treat Draft Day like any other day, but I know that I will be real anxious for my name to be called. This is a big moment, and I can try to keep my cool, but I'm getting antsy about where I'll end up. I'm not too nervous, though, because I know that I'll be happy just to play wherever.

I'm going to continue training and waiting. I've done all the drills that I can for the teams, so now I just wait for April's draft and for my name to be called. I can't wait to contribute to a professional team, and I know that whichever team takes me is getting a real good guy who can do a lot for the team. Draft Day should be a lot of fun.

Here is another good Blaystock article: :)

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8219215

ChiTown
03-26-2005, 10:43 PM
FYI

Dude is 6'3" and ~250#'s Those 40 times are sick for a guy his size..

beer bacon
03-26-2005, 10:50 PM
If we trade our 2nd for Surtain then trade down in the 1st I could see us taking him. Most of the drafts I have seen have him being taken by the Eagles or Pats at the end of the 1st.

Mr. Kotter
03-26-2005, 11:01 PM
I like this kid a lot; but not likely to be there in the second....unless we trade down in the first. If we pickup Surtain or Law....it COULD be a possibility.

Mr. Kotter
03-26-2005, 11:02 PM
If we trade our 2nd for Surtain then then trade down in the 1st I could see us taking him. Most of the drafts I have seen have him being taken by the Eagles or Pats at the end of the 1st.

Sorry...er...eh...what HE said. :banghead:

HolmeZz
03-26-2005, 11:07 PM
Not touching him unless it's with our 2nd rounder, which we should hopefully be trading to Miami. :cuss:

melbar
03-27-2005, 12:03 AM
Not touching him unless it's with our 2nd rounder, which we should hopefully be trading to Miami. :cuss:
I sure hope your wrong about that... :shake:

SoCalBronco
03-27-2005, 01:21 AM
Blackstock is a prototypical 3-4 OLB, whose fortay is blitzing. He is a blitzing LB. He's a late first, early second guy. A reach at pick 15, but wont last till your second rounder.

htismaqe
03-27-2005, 06:05 AM
I sure hope your wrong about that... :shake:

Yeah, Lord knows it would be wise for us to pass up the chance at a shutdown corner so we could draft a pass rush specialist that sees the field for about 25% of all defensive snaps.

:shake:

siberian khatru
03-27-2005, 06:11 AM
Gary Stills

htismaqe
03-27-2005, 06:12 AM
Gary Stills

Blackstock has way more talent than Stills.

But in terms of how the Chiefs would us him, you're 100% correct.

philfree
03-27-2005, 06:26 AM
Blackstock has way more talent than Stills.

But in terms of how the Chiefs would us him, you're 100% correct.

I don't know but to me Blackstock translates to a SLB for the Chiefs but I do agree he has alot more talent then Stills.


PhilFree:arrow:

htismaqe
03-27-2005, 06:50 AM
I don't know but to me Blackstock translates to a SLB for the Chiefs but I do agree he has alot more talent then Stills.

PhilFree:arrow:

We don't have a need at SSLB, or more specifically we have a much greater need at WSLB.

I just don't think taking Blackstock significantly improves this team.

philfree
03-27-2005, 07:07 AM
We don't have a need at SSLB, or more specifically we have a much greater need at WSLB.

I just don't think taking Blackstock significantly improves this team.

A good player at any position on D improves our D but there's no way to know how much Blackstock would improve the Chiefs at this point. If we drafted him and he proved to be better then Fujita(is he in the fold yet?) then he'd play SLB and Fujita and the rest could battle it out on the weak side. I wouldn't pick him at 15 though but to me he seems like a player and doesn't seem to lack confidence. If we do trade our 2nd for Surtain and then trade down in the 1st round to gain a pick back I wouldn't have a big problem if we took Blackstock if he's the best defensive player on the board. Or if we keep our 2nd round pick and draft Rogers in the 1st I wouldn't mind to trade up for Blackstock if he gets in range of our 2nd pick. We'll still need another CB though........

PhilFree:arrow:

bricks
03-27-2005, 07:08 AM
We don't have a need at SSLB, or more specifically we have a much greater need at WSLB.

I just don't think taking Blackstock significantly improves this team.

I agree. But, we could use either or. More importantly, we need a WSLB. I like Derrick Johnson.

bricks
03-27-2005, 07:12 AM
We don't have a need at SSLB, or more specifically we have a much greater need at WSLB.

I just don't think taking Blackstock significantly improves this team.

Wait a sec here, Rufu, didn't you say a while back you were pleased with Barber? You'd be happy if he started for us? Now, we need a WSLB? Or do you mean that we acquire a WSLB to replace Barber for the time he'll miss due to injury. I'm confused.

htismaqe
03-27-2005, 07:23 AM
Wait a sec here, Rufu, didn't you say a while back you were pleased with Barber? You'd be happy if he started for us? Now, we need a WSLB? Or do you mean that we acquire a WSLB to replace Barber for the time he'll miss due to injury. I'm confused.

I don't think Barber played all that bad in 2003. However, you nailed it - he's injured and there's some speculation he'll never be able to play again...

We need a replacement at this point.

keg in kc
03-27-2005, 07:36 AM
Didn't we draft Keyaron Fox to be that replacement at will backer? Or have we given up on him already, after granting him that requisite one season to prove himself? I remember somebody even called him "the next Donnie Edward$".

Oh wait, that was me, wasn't it. Never mind, that gives it a whole different context.

bricks
03-27-2005, 07:38 AM
I don't think Barber played all that bad in 2003. However, you nailed it - he's injured and there's some speculation he'll never be able to play again...

We need a replacement at this point.

I agree he had a good year in 2003, but, an awful one in 2004. Well, it's not about what you did 2 years ago, it's what you do now. We can think of Wesley when it comes to the past and now.

I agree we need a replacement. My candidates are arranged in order:
-Derrick Johnson(Chiefs should do what they
can to get there hands on
him)
-Warrick Holdman
-Will Witherspoon

*I do not want Anthony Simmons, I think he is overrated. Some may disagree with me on that, just my opinion. I think the best available is Derrick Johnson
and we should pursue him, I know it'll cost us a lot, but, there are no other WSLB in the draft and FA that are better than him, especially those that have superstars written all over them. I think Warrick Holdman is a solid player who won't be expensive, too bad Cleveland wasn't the right fit for him. I'm suprised nobody has gone after Will Witherspoon, underrated WSLB.

Coogs
03-27-2005, 07:45 AM
So what is the matter with Fox, other than we drafted him so he must be a bust? I thought many here have been saying Gun's LB system is the most difficult in the NFL to learn, and most all rookies would have a hard time playing in the system.

I have nothing against Blackstock, but then again I have nothing against Fox yet either.

bricks
03-27-2005, 07:45 AM
Didn't we draft Keyaron Fox to be that replacement at will backer? Or have we given up on him already, after granting him that requisite one season to prove himself? I remember somebody even called him "the next Donnie Edward$".

Oh wait, that was me, wasn't it. Never mind, that gives it a whole different context.

I don't know about you, but, I'd feel a lot more confident with Johnson than Fox. Wouldn't you want a top rated prospect, one that scouts are praising and drooling over, who comes from a good school, and defense on your team? Rather than a not so highly rated prospect, not so highly ranked school, didn't even start on a sh*tty defense, and, played special teams all year?

Coogs
03-27-2005, 07:47 AM
Looks like Keg beat me to the punch! :toast:

keg in kc
03-27-2005, 08:00 AM
I don't know about you, but, I'd feel a lot more confident with Johnson than Fox.I think you missed the irony. Donnie Edward$ was one of my least favorite players, so equating Fox to him isn't exactly a compliment, not from me. Although, speaking seriously for a second, I'd say that one season is not enough to judge a player, good or bad.

jspchief
03-27-2005, 08:16 AM
FWIW I'v heard two radio reports that said the Chiefs were in love with Blackstock. I wouldn't be suprised if we reached for him in round 1 (reaching seems to be the KC draft strategy).

Here's my scenario:
GB wants to move up to our spot at 15, and we're considering Blackstock so we can move down. GB gives us their first rounder, and 1 of their two second round picks in exchange for our 1st round pick. That allows us to take Blackstock at a slot he's more suited at, plus we now have an extra second round pick to get Surtain with.

bricks
03-27-2005, 08:26 AM
FWIW I'v heard two radio reports that said the Chiefs were in love with Blackstock. I wouldn't be suprised if we reached for him in round 1 (reaching seems to be the KC draft strategy).

Here's my scenario:
GB wants to move up to our spot at 15, and we're considering Blackstock so we can move down. GB gives us their first rounder, and 1 of their two second round picks in exchange for our 1st round pick. That allows us to take Blackstock at a slot he's more suited at, plus we now have an extra second round pick to get Surtain with.

I kinda like that move. Blackstock is more of a passrusher, SLB. For some reason I agree w/ you. I wouldn't be suprised either if we reached,and drafted this guy. KC has done that so many times in the past. Why not again? :deevee: Too be honest we could use improvements at either OLB positions. They should focus on D.Johnson more than anything. they need a WSLB, I could live with Fujita. Fujita and Barber no. Fujita over Barber yes. Barber over Fujita no.

whoman69
03-27-2005, 08:34 AM
If going to burger king is his way of preparing, stay away.

Mr. Laz
03-27-2005, 10:04 AM
is blackstock a 4 down linebacker or just a blitzing/rushbacker type guy?

stumppy
03-27-2005, 10:13 AM
Forgive me if I'm a little nervous about any guy who's last name starts with Black .

milkman
03-27-2005, 12:34 PM
I want Daryl Blackstock, and if that means we have to trade down to get him at a position of value, then all the better.

Sure if DJ was attainable, then he'd be my first choice, but I just don't believe that is a realistic possibility.

At 250, with 4.6 speed, and the reputation as a player that studies film, and works hard to prepare himself, and to improve, I see no reason he won't be a star in the NFL.

I am the official Daryl Blackstock pimp!

Spicy McHaggis
03-27-2005, 01:17 PM
a not so highly rated prospect, not so highly ranked school, didn't even start on a sh*tty defense, and, played special teams all year?

Fox was on First Team All-ACC and made something like 150 tackles his last year. Georgia Tech wasn't a powerhouse that year but their strength was definately their defense and Fox was a big part of that. I'll concede that Johnson is a better prospect but Fox is no putz either.

milkman
03-27-2005, 01:19 PM
If going to burger king is his way of preparing, stay away.

Yeah.
We see how well watching what you eat helps Johnny Johnson Morton!

melbar
03-27-2005, 01:36 PM
is blackstock a 4 down linebacker or just a blitzing/rushbacker type guy?

got this from Street and Smiths;
"Excells both against the run and rushing the quarterback. Frequently double-teamed at Virginia. Instinctive, quick to read and react.Locates the ball quickly . Tough and agessive against the run. Uses his hands well to play off blocks .Able to get though traffic. Reliable tackler, will wrap up the bal-carrier. Smooth change of directions . Will need to work in coverageDoes not always play the ball well in the air. Good range, plays sideline to sideling. Takes good angles in pursuit. Effective on the blitz and is an outstandingpass rush. Has enough speed to turn the cornerand closes with a burst. Diciplined , plays within the scheme."

Woodrow Call
03-27-2005, 02:00 PM
got this from Street and Smiths;
"Excells both against the run and rushing the quarterback. Frequently double-teamed at Virginia. Instinctive, quick to read and react.Locates the ball quickly . Tough and agessive against the run. Uses his hands well to play off blocks .Able to get though traffic. Reliable tackler, will wrap up the bal-carrier. Smooth change of directions . Will need to work in coverageDoes not always play the ball well in the air. Good range, plays sideline to sideling. Takes good angles in pursuit. Effective on the blitz and is an outstandingpass rush. Has enough speed to turn the cornerand closes with a burst. Diciplined , plays within the scheme."

I would love to see either him or Merriman. You can never have enough playmakers. Adding one of them would give the Chiefs an athletic, young, and talented LB corp

OLB-Merriman/Blackstock
MLB-Bell
OLB-Fujita

I would be very comfortable going into the season with that. I wish I knew more about Fox from listening to the board I am intrigued with him.

Mr. Laz
03-27-2005, 05:08 PM
I would love to see either him or Merriman. You can never have enough playmakers. Adding one of them would give the Chiefs an athletic, young, and talented LB corp

OLB-Merriman/Blackstock
MLB-Bell
OLB-Fujita

I would be very comfortable going into the season with that. I wish I knew more about Fox from listening to the board I am intrigued with him.

we better not expect our linebackers to cover anyone with that lineup.

Coogs
03-27-2005, 06:49 PM
I kinda like that move. Blackstock is more of a passrusher, SLB. For some reason I agree w/ you. I wouldn't be suprised either if we reached,and drafted this guy. KC has done that so many times in the past. Why not again? :deevee: Too be honest we could use improvements at either OLB positions. They should focus on D.Johnson more than anything. they need a WSLB, I could live with Fujita. Fujita and Barber no. Fujita over Barber yes. Barber over Fujita no.


http://www.kcchiefs.com/depth_chart/


If you look at this depth chart from the Chiefs site, Fox is listed as the backup SLB. Don't know if this means anything or not, but I can't see drafting another SLB when we just drafted one last year in the 3rd round. It has been said it takes a while to learn Gun's LB system, so I am looking for good things from Fox this season.

milkman
03-27-2005, 07:00 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/depth_chart/


If you look at this depth chart from the Chiefs site, Fox is listed as the backup SLB. Don't know if this means anything or not, but I can't see drafting another SLB when we just drafted one last year in the 3rd round. It has been said it takes a while to learn Gun's LB system, so I am looking for good things from Fox this season.

Rookie or not, we were down to QuintonFreakin'Caver.
The kid should have been put out there.

What, because he was a rookie, the D was gonna get worse? :cuss:

Coogs
03-27-2005, 07:09 PM
Rookie or not, we were down to QuintonFreakin'Caver.
The kid should have been put out there.

What, because he was a rookie, the D was gonna get worse? :cuss:

I agree, but that doesn't seem to be DV's MO. I know you can counter with Allen, but I think the early injury was a setback. Fox showed real promise in the preseason games last August. I think we are jumping the
gun (no pun intended) throwing Fox on the scrap heap just because he didn't play last fall.

milkman
03-27-2005, 07:14 PM
I agree, but that doesn't seem to be DV's MO. I know you can counter with Allen, but I think the early injury was a setback. Fox showed real promise in the preseason games last August. I think we are jumping the
gun (no pun intended) throwing Fox on the scrap heap just because he didn't play last fall.

Screw DV's MO.
The defense was bad.
No, make that ****ing pathetic.

Our D needed change, and because DickWad doesn't like to use rookies, we were stuck with the crap we had.

Just one of the reasons I don't like DV.

bricks
03-27-2005, 07:24 PM
we better not expect our linebackers to cover anyone with that lineup.

Kendrell Bell is a decent coverage linebacker. that's what Shawn Barber is for coverage. throw Barber in on passing downs, and, passing down only. Cause thats about the only thing he's good for, coverage. use Bell, Blackstock to Rush the passer on passing downs and we'll be alright. Heck, gunther could figure it out.

Coogs
03-27-2005, 07:25 PM
Screw DV's MO.
The defense was bad.
No, make that ****ing pathetic.

Our D needed change, and because DickWad doesn't like to use rookies, we were stuck with the crap we had.

While I can't disagree with anything you said here, that seems to be the way he is. This year will tell the tale on Fox. I just think it is too early to write him off as a bust. He showed too much in the preseason games for that. He was all over the field. His tackles looked like the hits Ray Lewis deals out. He was pretty good in coverage. And yes, he probably blew a play or two. But overall, he showed real promise.

I don't know if DV and CP do any call in shows before the draft, but if they do, I wish someone would ask them about Fox.

Mr. Laz
03-27-2005, 07:29 PM
Kendrell Bell is a decent coverage linebacker. that's what Shawn Barber is for coverage. throw Barber in on passing downs, and, passing down only. Cause thats about the only thing he's good for, coverage. use Bell, Blackstock to Rush the passer on passing downs and we'll be alright. Heck, gunther could figure it out.

he had blackstock at WLB ... i assume that if we are playing a rookie at weakside linebacker than Barber knee is shot to hell, like some rumors suggest.


i think you over-estimate gunther's abilities

bricks
03-27-2005, 07:37 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/depth_chart/

It has been said it takes a while to learn Gun's LB system, so I am looking for good things from Fox this season.

I'm sorry, but, I don't buy into this it takes a while to learn stuff. We've had to put up enough patience as it is. Certain Chief fans like myself have been frustrated to see these young kids try to grow and learn "how to play positions". we've heard this same type of sh*t before from the coaches and upper management, how they praise the William Bartee's, Kawika Mitchell's, and it looks like Ryan Sims name is next, and should be stapled in the "young failed to develop" bust category. game is game man. These guys either have it or don't. If Fox can't play on a piece of sh*t defense, it either says he sucks, or, DV just doesn't want to give him a chance, maybe he was hurt, injuries. then, there is Jared Allen who led all rookies in sacks, played exceptionally well what can we say about that? A player is either going to prove himself or not. While I think it's still too premature to even label Fox as a sh*tty player, even Mitchell. I still think, and, believe there is no such thing as not recruiting in as much talented football players as possible. that's what this organization has to do, bring in as many football players as possible. FIND TALENT!

bricks
03-27-2005, 07:44 PM
i think you over-estimate gunther's abilities

I like Gunther. you know why? Cause he will play as many players as possible to find good talent, and, he knows certain strengths and abilities in players, and knows how to utilize them in the right situations. He played Jared Allen, Lional Dalton. these guys were listed as backups to start the season. And, they ended up being our best players, cause gunther wasn't afraid to play them.

milkman
03-27-2005, 07:47 PM
I like Gunther. you know why? Cause he will play as many players as possible to find good talent, and, he knows certain strengths and abilities in players, and knows how to utilize them in the right situations. He played Jared Allen, Lional Dalton. these guys were listed as backups to start the season. And, they ended up being our best players, cause gunther wasn't afraid to play them.

I believe in both cases, injuries played a part in these guys getting on the field, and had very little to do with Gun's desire to put them out there.

Mr. Laz
03-27-2005, 07:48 PM
I like Gunther. you know why? Cause he will play as many players as possible to find good talent, and, he knows certain strengths and abilities in players, and knows how to utilize them in the right situations. He played Jared Allen, Lional Dalton. these guys were listed as backups to start the season. And, they ended up being our best players, cause gunther wasn't afraid to play them.
i like gunther too... i think everyone likes good ol' goonther :D

that's not really the point though


he might be an above average defensive coordinator ... but not by much.

bricks
03-27-2005, 07:54 PM
i like gunther too... i think everyone likes good ol' goonther :D

that's not really the point though


he might be an above average defensive coordinator ... but not by much.

give him talent. just give him talent. just give him talent. We'll see the ol'goonther back:D

bricks
03-27-2005, 07:55 PM
got this from Street and Smiths;
"Excells both against the run and rushing the quarterback. Frequently double-teamed at Virginia. Instinctive, quick to read and react.Locates the ball quickly . Tough and agessive against the run. Uses his hands well to play off blocks .Able to get though traffic. Reliable tackler, will wrap up the bal-carrier. Smooth change of directions . Will need to work in coverageDoes not always play the ball well in the air. Good range, plays sideline to sideling. Takes good angles in pursuit. Effective on the blitz and is an outstandingpass rush. Has enough speed to turn the cornerand closes with a burst. Diciplined , plays within the scheme."

sounds like a pretty good player :thumb:

milkman
03-27-2005, 08:11 PM
give him talent. just give him talent. just give him talent. We'll see the ol'goonther back:D

I think "ol'goonther" is ok, but like Laz, feel he is only above average.
I thought he could do something with the pathetic D last year, because he just had to be better than Spinner.

Clearly, I was wrong.
The talent just wasn't there.

Luzap
03-27-2005, 09:03 PM
One of the reasons Allen and Dalton got playing time is because we rotate our front four.
I've never seen us do that with LBs. We change up on nickle and dime packages, but that doesn't give playing time to someone like Fox.

I want a FA cb, then a lb and cb in the early rounds, then a wr, left tackle, guard, and D Lineman in the later rounds.

Luz
hope everything falls our way...

milkman
03-27-2005, 09:10 PM
One of the reasons Allen and Dalton got playing time is because we rotate our front four.
I've never seen us do that with LBs. We change up on nickle and dime packages, but that doesn't give playing time to someone like Fox.

I want a FA cb, then a lb and cb in the early rounds, then a wr, left tackle, guard, and D Lineman in the later rounds.

Luz
hope everything falls our way...

While Allen and Dalton did get some reps in, the rotation was far less prevalent under Gun last season than it was the previous seasons under Spinner.

The only reason these guys got on the filed for more than just a few plays per game was because of injuries.