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jAZ
03-27-2005, 01:19 PM
What do you think?

Assume that the only way to draft Derrick Johnson is to trade our #1 and #2 picks with nothing in return.

Assume that in order to obtain Surtain, we must sign him to a big $ contract and trade our #2 to Miami.

Assume that we must sign Ty Law before the draft (and before he's fully healed) and for a contract at least as big as he has on the table today (but less than Surtain's).

Tribal Warfare
03-27-2005, 01:51 PM
how about this a trade for surtain

then trade this years #1 and #5 round pick in the '05 draft plus a 2nd or 3rd in the '06 draft.

melbar
03-27-2005, 01:55 PM
I'd actually also like the Sign Law AND keep our 1 and 2 scenario.
Law CB
Pollack DE / Blackstock LB
Justin Miller CB
or
TRADE DOWN
Law CB
Surtain CB (with 2nd)
Ware/Blackstock LB
Fred Gibson WR/ Marlin Jackson DB

melbar
03-27-2005, 01:57 PM
how about this a trade for surtain

then trade this years #1 and #5 round pick in the '05 draft plus a 2nd or 3rd in the '06 draft.
...and what are you trading all these picks for?

Douche Baggins
03-27-2005, 02:00 PM
I'd rather use our #1 on Shawn Merriman and trade the #2 for Surtain.

Tribal Warfare
03-27-2005, 02:01 PM
...and what are you trading all these picks for?



for premium talent we need kc's window of oppurtunity is closing fast- Oline is aging , Gonzo isn't getting any younger, and at his age I'm starting to worry about Green's knees.

Douche Baggins
03-27-2005, 02:02 PM
for the talent we need kc's window of oppurtunity is closing fast- Oline is aging , Gonzo isn't getting any younger, and at his age I'm starting to worry about Green's knees.

Why? As long as we have that line his health is going to be fine.

Tribal Warfare
03-27-2005, 02:04 PM
Why? As long as we have that line his health is going to be fine.



Shields is getting old the anchor of that O-line- it's this year or next . Then it's 5 years of maybe next year

Logical
03-27-2005, 02:47 PM
Has anyone bothered to point out the trade value of our #2 is not high enough to move up enough places even with our #1 to get DJ.

1050+440 = 1490 which only gets us to a 9th slot in the first round maybe the 8th if Arizona wants to move down desperately.

http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/y/nfl--pick-values.php

Douche Baggins
03-27-2005, 03:00 PM
Shields is getting old the anchor of that O-line- it's this year or next . Then it's 5 years of maybe next year

Oh I agree. But I have said several times I believe Trent, Priest, T-Rich, Shields and Roaf are probably all gone after this year. Kennison too, maybe.

Rain Man
03-27-2005, 03:04 PM
Where's the "Sign Ty Law and use our #1 and #2 picks" option?

jAZ
03-27-2005, 04:19 PM
Has anyone bothered to point out the trade value of our #2 is not high enough to move up enough places even with our #1 to get DJ.

1050+440 = 1490 which only gets us to a 9th slot in the first round maybe the 8th if Arizona wants to move down desperately.

http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/y/nfl--pick-values.php
Actually I pointed this out a few days ago, in a discussion about moving up to the #6 pick. This poll is based upon (though not explicitly stated) the fact that DJ will slide down to #9 allowing for such a trade to occur.

It's a "what if we were faced with the possiblity of getting DJ, then what" poll.

jAZ
03-27-2005, 04:21 PM
Where's the "Sign Ty Law and use our #1 and #2 picks" option?
This thread was about DJ... Law, Sertain and the others are just the possible costs of getting DJ. I guess if you must, you can vote for #3 and consider Law as the FA.

It would basically be a protest vote though... :p

Mr. Laz
03-27-2005, 05:05 PM
sign Ty Law
trade our second for Surtain

take BAA in the 1st round

jAZ
03-27-2005, 05:26 PM
sign Ty Law
trade our second for Surtain

take BAA in the 1st round
Do you really think there is any chance we could afford both CB's?

Douche Baggins
03-27-2005, 05:29 PM
Ty Law has one foot, no thanks.

Mr. Laz
03-27-2005, 05:40 PM
Do you really think there is any chance we could afford both CB's?
not with our Owner/Front Office

but you never brought money limitations up in your hypothesis.

jAZ
03-27-2005, 05:49 PM
not with our Owner/Front Office

but you never brought money limitations up in your hypothesis.
I thought I did... in a way (talking about the $ costs of Surtain and Law). But either way...

I guess what I'm asking is, do you think that any owner/GM - given our current cap situation - could realistically sign both CBs?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for the answer to be "yes"... but somehow, that just doesn't seem realistic, not matter who's running this team.

Coogs
03-27-2005, 07:03 PM
I went with option 1.

The secondary withe Law, Warfield, Knight, Wesley/Woods, is a major step up. If Sapp countinues to grow as a player, the secondary could be outstanding.

The LB corp or WLB Johnson, MLB Bell, and SLB Fox could be dominate for years. Plus, the option to put Mitchell on the field with them give us a pretty good foursome for a 3-4 set. Fujita is a marginal starter IMO, but would be a great backup.

The front four has to have progress from several spots, but could be a solid group as well.

Coogs
03-27-2005, 07:17 PM
I got this from GreatBlueNorth.com...

(11: 00 AM): ‘Funny’ draft creeping up… Ask just about any personnel person from around the NFL and they’ll describe the upcoming draft as one of the most unusual in their experience. And its hard to know whether that’s playing a part , but with the draft rapidly approaching - we’ll be kicking off the second day of the 2005 draft a month today as we speak – the ‘buzz’ level regarding the upcoming draft is about the lowest we ever seen it this close to the big day Of course, the fact that its Easter weekend, a bit of a down period for people around the league, isn’t helping, but again this weekend there isn’t much to report. There’s also a chance that the dearth of news and near news could also be a bit of a reflection of the fact that the top of the 2005 draft board remains in something of a state of fluidity. Tennessee G.M. Floyd Reese, whose Titans pick 6th overall this year, for example, says that “in years prior you’d have five to ten lead-pipe cinches who’d go first, second, third, or fourth and it didn’t matter which team got the slot. That’s all out this year. I don’t think you could name the top 6 or 8 players on people’s boards and you couldn’t name the teams taking them.” Packers’ head coach Mike Sherman echoed some similar sentiments saying that “in a good draft you’d have 10-12 impact guys at the top of the board. I don’t think you see that this year.” Sherman added, though, that the positive news for this year’s draft is that “there is some good depth. You can really get a good player in the 3rd or 4th rounds.”

I found Sherman's quote to be interesting. For those wanting to grab a CB at 15 may not be anybetter than someone later in the draft. However, getting into the top 8 or so seems like a must if we are to get an impact player this draft.

I would do the deal for DJ if the opportunity presents itself.

Mr. Laz
03-27-2005, 07:42 PM
I guess what I'm asking is, do you think that any owner/GM - given our current cap situation - could realistically sign both CBs?.
absolutely ... not a single doubt in my mind that it could be done. heck i think it has been done before.

last year philly signed javon kearse and terrell owens to new contracts at the same time along with normal stuff.

heck we signed Green/holmes/gonzo at the same time


it's all a matter of how much money that an owner is willing to front/risk.