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Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 01:07 AM
My 11 year old son saved his money for this Jersey.. We recieved it the other day and it's a screen printed piece of shit that sells for 19.99 at just about any store.. He payed approx $45.00.. :banghead:

You are bidding on a brand new Seattle Supersonics Sonics Ray Allen Reebok Hardwood Classics jersey. NBA Official licensed, made by Reebok Hardwood Classics. 100% authentic product. The main color is yellow. The size is L large. The style of this jersey retro back from the Lenny Wilkens "The Golden Rules" era, originated from the 1969-70 season. The condition is brand new never worn with original tags. Shipping & Handling is $8.50 within US/Canada. $5.00 extra for International Buyer. 1-3 weeks delivery time. I ONLY accept Paypal (must verified with confirmed address). Please don't ask me for other payment methods. ***PAYMENT MUST BE MADE WITHIN 2 DAYS AFTER THE AUCTION END*** Feel free to send me email for any questions. Happy bidding!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5171917430

Taco John
03-28-2005, 01:12 AM
Hate to say it, but sounds like he learned a hard lesson about buying online. If you care about quality, you need to inspect it first hand before you put money on it... It's too easy to be tricky using Ebay.

Is at least this part true: "NBA Official licensed, made by Reebok Hardwood Classics."

Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 01:17 AM
Hate to say it, but sounds like he learned a hard lesson about buying online. If you care about quality, you need to inspect it first hand before you put money on it... It's too easy to be tricky using Ebay.

Is at least this part true: "NBA Official licensed, made by Reebok Hardwood Classics."

Yes, but it's an absolute piece of shit. worth 20.00 tops..

100% authentic product.

Thats the quote that pisses me off.. I've been trading e-mails with the seller trying to get a refund.. Should I leave neg feedback? I warned my kid about this before he placed his bid.. I was quite skeptical..

Yosef_Malkovitch
03-28-2005, 01:21 AM
Thats the quote that pisses me off.. I've been trading e-mails with the seller trying to get a refund.. Should I leave neg feedback? I warned my kid about this before he placed his bid.. I was quite skeptical..

I would wait to see whether you can get a full or partial refund. If not, then yes I would leave neg feedback.

Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 01:22 AM
I would wait to see whether you can get a full or partial refund. If not, then yes I would leave neg feedback.


That is exactly what I'm doing..

J Diddy
03-28-2005, 01:23 AM
Yes, but it's an absolute piece of shit. worth 20.00 tops..



Thats the quote that pisses me off.. I've been trading e-mails with the seller trying to get a refund.. Should I leave neg feedback? I warned my kid about this before he placed his bid.. I was quite skeptical..

how good was the buyers rating?
If it was good, then he probably cares about maintaining it. I know the biggest thing I look for on neg feedback is that it was misrepresented and was unable to get a refund. I would threaten to throw that in and file a complaint to Ebay. I don't know if it would do any good, however it seems like it would be easier to him to give back the $45.

Anyway, hope it works out good for you. Sucks that it had to effect your kid.

Taco John
03-28-2005, 01:23 AM
I think the seller has you on this one... The wording is really tricky, but can be claimed to be true... What does "100% Authentic Product" really even mean?

Indeed, your son got ripped off... But it's going to cost you more headache than it's worth to set it right... So your best bet is to use it to your advantage as a father and make sure that he learns a lesson from this. At least that way, you can get something valuable for the money, even if it's not what you had in mind.

Definitely leave negative feedback... "Sold my son a jersey that was all hype, and little in quality. I'd never buy from this seller again. The quality just isn't there."

Rausch
03-28-2005, 01:25 AM
If I paid for a Basketball jersey I'd expect someone to hit me in the back of the head with a dirty spade...

Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 01:29 AM
All his other items are the same scam.. :shake:

I have not left neg feedback yet, we have been trading e-mails and I'm still hoping he gives at least a partial refund.. And yes, My son has definitely learned a valuable lesson no matter what happens going forward..

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZauctionmaster79

J Diddy
03-28-2005, 01:31 AM
Threaten to message every high bidder on how his product is poop.

Pants
03-28-2005, 01:33 AM
Want us to spam him? lol

Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 01:44 AM
Dear auctionmaster79,
> >
> > We recieved the Jersey today, you're listing said it would be 100%
> authentic.. The one we recieved is definitely not authentic, it is
> screen printed..
> >
> > Please respond, we would like to return with a full refund.. (My 11
> > year
> old saved his money for this jersey)
> >
> > I would prefer settling this through e-mail.. I've never given neg
> feedback and I don't want to start now..Regards
> >
> > t****@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
> From: Auction Master [mailto:auctionmaster79@sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:38 AM
> To: *****comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #5171917430
>
> The jersey is 100% authentic product made by Reebok. Meaning that it's
> not fake and it's not made from any local factories. Yes, it's screen
> print.
>
> Herman


From: "****" <***b@comcast.net>
> Date: 2005/03/28 Mon AM 12:43:24 EST
> To: "'Auction Master'" <auctionmaster79@sympatico.ca>
> Subject: RE: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #5171917430
>
> You made the item sound like it was an authentic Jersey.. Are you not
> willing to give a refund?
>
What do u mean?! The jersey is authentic.

Herman

From: "****" <***b@comcast.net>
> Date: 2005/03/28 Mon AM 12:43:24 EST
> To: "'Auction Master'" <auctionmaster79@sympatico.ca>
> Subject: RE: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #5171917430


So, no refund?

Pants
03-28-2005, 01:51 AM
Ask him why he doesn't mention the fact that they are print screens?

elvomito
03-28-2005, 01:53 AM
file a buyer claim with paypal. that's always worked for me.

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_comres_flow&trans_id=

DenverChief
03-28-2005, 01:55 AM
auctionmaster79@sympatico.ca

I know some gay porn sites :hmmm:

regald
03-28-2005, 03:31 AM
If you did it through paypal, file a buyer's complaint. If you paid via Credit Card with PayPal, contact your CC company and PayPal, he'll be screwed. If you sent him cash in the mail, file a report with ebay stating the product was listed incorrectly (I don't recall the name of the form).

If you paid through PayPal, you can get your money back and PayPal will freeze his account, regardless of whether it's his fault or not since you're the buyer.

If you would've emailed him stating that your 11 year old son purchased the Jersey under the assumption that it was an authentic jersey which retails for $80, he would be more leniant with the request as opposed to making accusations that he lied and blatantly asking for a refund.

-A popular ebay seller

trndobrd
03-28-2005, 05:15 AM
Is it haunted?

ExtremeChief
03-28-2005, 08:14 AM
Here are a couple of the guy's feedbacks. He does have a 96.8% rating, but the jersey thing has happened before.

this jersey sucks
Buyer bogray1230vs22 ( 26Feedback score is 10 to 49) Feb-11-05 13:31 5142448127
Reply by auctionmaster79: I don't made this jersey, call Reebok if the jersey "sucks". Enjoy eBaying!! Feb-13-05 07:59

Negative feedback rating Lied. Not an authentic jersey. Beware tricky seller
Buyer nazzy190 ( 7 ) Feb-09-05 12:58 5148702412
Reply by auctionmaster79: Don't accused me. Waited for a month, no payment. Bad buyer, bidded for fun


"Authentic" would make you think you are getting the real deal, but technically he didn't lie. Also, with the large amount of positive feedbacks he has received, he probably won't be threatened by one negative feedback from you.


Sorry Joe

Saulbadguy
03-28-2005, 08:19 AM
Joe Seahawk-

You mean like this Jersey?

http://store.reebok.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1378975&cp=1419541.1419542.1139858&page=2&pageBucket=0&parentPage=family

The jersey IS authentic. You are in the wrong. The "Reebok Hardwood classics jersies" are screen printed. The shame is your son paid over retail value.

jspchief
03-28-2005, 08:31 AM
Typically with jerseys, you have two types

1. "Authentic" jersey that will have stitched on names and numbers, and is usually better quality material.

2. "Replica" jersey that will be screen printed and is usually the cheaper material.

I don't know basketball jerseys like I know football jerseys, but there a few things to consider.

1. Does Reebok make both "authentic" and "replica" jerseys? If they only make one type, you're guilty of not doing your homework, and his description is accurate.

2. If Reebok does make both types of jerseys, what is the typical price difference? I know football "authentics" are considerably more expensive. If that is the case with basketball jerseys also, then you should have recognized the deal as being too good to be true.

I would try and explain to the seller what you consider "authentic" to be, and ask if you can return the item. If you can find other e-bay listings that actually differentiate between authentic and replica, it would support your case better. I doubt he's going to refund shipping costs, simply because he's not going to take money out of his pocket for your error.

Sounds to me like the guy is shady, but knows what he's doing. He preys on uninformed consumers, but he's smart enough that his wording is not an outright lie.

Saulbadguy
03-28-2005, 08:33 AM
Good point, JSPChief. That makes me re-think my statement.

Through further research, Reebok does not make an Authentic version of this jersey (stiched letters/numbers), just a replica. The guy stated this was an "authentic" jersey, and did not mention whether it was screen printed or stitched.

I would try to get a refund, but I would offer to ship it back on your dime. Like jspchief said, he is shady and knows what he is doing, but he isn't lying.

Fire Me Boy!
03-28-2005, 08:34 AM
This is exactly the reason I only pay with a credit card on PayPal... if I don't get it, or it's broken or not what I ordered, I file a buyer complaint with PayPal. If that doesn't work, I file a charge back with the credit card (also, it does NOT matter if you pay with a check card, that doesn't work the same way with most banks).

Anyway, I'd go ahead and file all the complaints you can... if he still doesn't refund your $, the neg feedback his ass (but be prepared for a retaliatory negative feedback). Then chalk it up as a life lesson... and for his next birthday buy your kid a real jersey.

Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 09:04 AM
After doing a little research I've decided to not neg feedback the seller.. Reebok NBA Hardwood Classics are screen printed..

I do feel he was deceptive in his sales pitch, but ultimately it was my sons and mine mistake..

My 11 year old vehemently disagrees with me on the decision to not neg feedback the guy, but I'll keep working on him...

Saulbadguy
03-28-2005, 09:10 AM
You have no right to neg feedback him, as he delivered the product in a timely manner.

I'd try to get a refund, and pay shipping fees and refund his auction fee. If not, well, sell it on ebay!

Kyle401
03-28-2005, 09:24 AM
The only time I ever had an issue with something that I bought off ebay was when I bought a used Dewalt drill with a stripped out transmission. I emailed the guy and we agreed to a refund of half of the cost of a new transmission. ~$25.

The difference between that guy and the guy you bought from was that he cared a great deal about his feedback. Auctionmaster79's feedback profile should throw up a few red flags for a bidder looking to buy a jersey. In addition to the feedback that ExtremeChief posted, he also has positive and neutral feedback indicating that the jerseys he sells are not "100% authentic."

great replica jersey at a great price
Buyer jminikel (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jminikel)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif ( 7 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jminikel) )

Mar-07-05 07:035169295083 (http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemWithCategory&item=5169295083)

Good looking jersey. Not authentic though.

Buyer rock8jam (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=rock8jam)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif ( 43 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=rock8jam)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/icon/iconYellowStar_25x25.gif)

Feb-24-05 09:505165917273 (http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemWithCategory&item=5165917273)
Quality of product was a problem

Buyer lattaman3 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=lattaman3)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif ( 8 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=lattaman3) ) Feb-17-05 14:335157844426 (http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemWithCategory&item=5157844426)

This guy bought the exact same product as your son:
Not stitched. Still happy with product. Great condition. Good communication.
Buyer gradg (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=gradg)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif ( 6 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=gradg) ) Feb-14-05 01:545160400637 (http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemWithCategory&item=5160400637)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif


I seriously doubt that your son is going to get any sort of restitution from this seller. He is clearly one of those guys who figures to satisfy the majority of his uneducated or indiscriminate buyers (even while ripping them off) and ignore those who have issues with his shady tactics. The best thing you can do is show your son how to do better character checks when purchasing from ebay.

Iowanian
03-28-2005, 09:33 AM
Nuke his feedback.................and let the Planet go to work.

Say the word, and I'll drop him a line that will make his mothers butt pucker.

redhed
03-28-2005, 09:41 AM
He said "100% authentic product", which it is. If he had said "100% authentic jersey", you might have a cause. But it is def a product.
A lesson on buying things sight unseen hath been learned...

Anyone hear about the guy who bought the Apple laptop computer box on ebay? Yep, dude bought a $700 cardboard box.

Iowanian
03-28-2005, 09:52 AM
I'd still neg him...........Make it clear that the product was deliverd as promised, but the ad was MISLEADING.

Phobia
03-28-2005, 10:00 AM
I'd still neg him...........Make it clear that the product was deliverd as promised, but the ad was MISLEADING.

Every ad is misleading. Have you ever had a burger that looked anything like the picture anywhere?

Iowanian
03-28-2005, 10:01 AM
It DID have twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheeseallonasesameseedbun.

keg in kc
03-28-2005, 10:03 AM
It DID have twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheeseallonasesameseedbun.I always thought it was twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepicklesonionsonasesameseedbud.

Cochise
03-28-2005, 10:10 AM
It pays to read item descriptions on Ebay carefully.

Or even looking up the product of the same name on Reebok's site or other online catalogues would have been good, to make sure you were getting a jersey and not a t-shirt.

Skip Towne
03-28-2005, 10:13 AM
It DID have twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheeseallonasesameseedbun.
No pickles or onion?

Iowanian
03-28-2005, 10:15 AM
DAMN! I was robbed of my Pickows. I'm totally Neg Repping McDawnalds.

sevenand7kc
03-28-2005, 12:44 PM
It's probably too late now, but maybe someone will find use for this -

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs

It's a website that only displays negative/neutral feedback for people. I find it hard going through someone's feedback of several hundred looking for those negative and neutral comments. This will get rid of all the positives and only show you the neg/neutral.

Oh - did you try and contact the person that didn't bid as high as you? Offer to sell it to them for $5 less and see if they bite?

JimNasium
03-28-2005, 01:12 PM
I would bleach the visage of the Virgin Mary on the jersey and turn it around for a profit if I were you.

jarjar
03-28-2005, 01:30 PM
Typically with jerseys, you have two types

1. "Authentic" jersey that will have stitched on names and numbers, and is usually better quality material.

2. "Replica" jersey that will be screen printed and is usually the cheaper material.

I don't know basketball jerseys like I know football jerseys, but there a few things to consider.

1. Does Reebok make both "authentic" and "replica" jerseys? If they only make one type, you're guilty of not doing your homework, and his description is accurate.

2. If Reebok does make both types of jerseys, what is the typical price difference? I know football "authentics" are considerably more expensive. If that is the case with basketball jerseys also, then you should have recognized the deal as being too good to be true.

I would try and explain to the seller what you consider "authentic" to be, and ask if you can return the item. If you can find other e-bay listings that actually differentiate between authentic and replica, it would support your case better. I doubt he's going to refund shipping costs, simply because he's not going to take money out of his pocket for your error.

Sounds to me like the guy is shady, but knows what he's doing. He preys on uninformed consumers, but he's smart enough that his wording is not an outright lie.


And what is your point with all of that? That the seller is cool and smart while the buyer is dumb and gets what he deserved?

Sure he might not be 'technically' breaking the law, but what does that have to do with anything? He's being dishonest, and might as well be stealing from the people falling for his scam.

Furthermore, I've never agreed with the tendency on messageboards for people to attack victims, I find it somewhat appalling.

jarjar
03-28-2005, 01:37 PM
You have no right to neg feedback him, as he delivered the product in a timely manner.

I'd try to get a refund, and pay shipping fees and refund his auction fee. If not, well, sell it on ebay!

The only way the guy doesn't deserve negative feedback is if he didn't realize he was misleading people. I'd say given that hes had a ton of complaints before, he knows exactly what he is doing and deserves to have his ass booted from ebay.

PastorMikH
03-28-2005, 04:43 PM
Also, always check the seller's Feedback before bidding. There were 3 other product quality complaints (neutral to negative) just like Joe Seahawk mentioned here, and another where the buyer never even recieved the shirt. All 4 instances were on jerseys like the one Joe Seahawk's son bidded on AND were in the last 2 months.


Now, if you want to see a legit add on ebay, especially if you are a beer drinking golfer....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7145412900&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1

:thumb:

PastorMikH
03-28-2005, 04:49 PM
You have no right to neg feedback him, as he delivered the product in a timely manner.



I disagree. If the seller sold an inferior product, regardless of how fast it was delivered, and provided the sellor does not try to resolve the problem, Joe should do a neutral to neg feedback.


This is just like the restaraunt we ate at yesterday. I can count the times on one hand that I haven't left a tip - and I usually tip at least 15%. However, yesterday the service was terrible. The wife got mad at me 'cause she said the waitress tried. To which I told her that we tip for service, not for effort. And when the food comes out in a timespan of 15 minutes and my tea glass sits empty for the same amount of time even after I asked 3 times, they aren't getting a tip. The guy may have sold a product, but it was not up to standards that a jersy should be at the starting bid amount. I'd warn him, then I'd hit him with less than positive feedback.

Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 04:51 PM
It appears he was leading people to believe the jersey was like the one in this link..

http://www.footballfanatics.com/?source=froogle&proid=62098

PastorMikH
03-28-2005, 04:53 PM
Joe, does your jersey look exactly like the one in the pic? Tags, labels, everything? If not, you might have a real edge with a product mis-representation claim.

Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 05:01 PM
http://i18.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/64/f1/a2_1.JPG

http://www.footballfanatics.com/images/products/60403.jpg

chiefs4me
03-28-2005, 05:02 PM
It DID have twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheeseallonasesameseedbun.





you left out....picklesonions

TRR
03-28-2005, 05:03 PM
I can just look at the pic of the jersey and tell that it is screen printed. Did you really expect to get an authentic (sewn on letters/numbers) for $45.00?

Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 05:06 PM
I can just look at the pic of the jersey and tell that it is screen printed. Did you really expect to get an authentic (sewn on letters/numbers) for $45.00?

Last month he got this one for 48.00 Very nice Authentic jersey..


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5168453466&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6

Joe Seahawk
03-28-2005, 05:15 PM
I bought this one for myself...

Authentic Shaun Alexander jersey 45.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5178428639&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6

BIG_DADDY
03-28-2005, 05:18 PM
I just received my godson's birthday present today. I finally found him a jersey on Ebay that fit him, a medium. It's a Marcus Allen official throwback, it's bad as hell. I got it for $45, it retails for $300.

PastorMikH
04-03-2005, 10:58 PM
Now, if you want to see a legit add on ebay, especially if you are a beer drinking golfer....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7145412900&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1

:thumb:



Just an update here. I'm fairly pleased. A few weeks back I won this auction for a set of Titleist clubs - paid $15 for the set. The guy threw the driver and a 5 wood in for kicks. I just sold the driver for $18 bucks. :thumb:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7140308322&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

BIG_DADDY
04-03-2005, 11:26 PM
Just an update here. I'm fairly pleased. A few weeks back I won this auction for a set of Titleist clubs - paid $15 for the set. The guy threw the driver and a 5 wood in for kicks. I just sold the driver for $18 bucks. :thumb:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7140308322&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

You drive a hard bargain pastor. ROFL

PastorMikH
04-03-2005, 11:32 PM
You drive a hard bargain pastor. ROFL


Thanks:thumb:


I kinda got a kick out of it. I really didn't expect to get the irons for $16. Then I was really suprised when I saw a set just like them go for $130 a few days later. Then to sell the driver for more than I paid for the entire set - even if it was just $2 - gave me a bit of a laugh.


The Dr I play golf with was telling me the other day after a bad shot to go ahead and throw the club 'cause it only cost me a buck-fifty.

BIG_DADDY
04-04-2005, 12:32 AM
Thanks:thumb:


I kinda got a kick out of it. I really didn't expect to get the irons for $16. Then I was really suprised when I saw a set just like them go for $130 a few days later. Then to sell the driver for more than I paid for the entire set - even if it was just $2 - gave me a bit of a laugh.


The Dr I play golf with was telling me the other day after a bad shot to go ahead and throw the club 'cause it only cost me a buck-fifty.

Nice, sure makes trashing your clubs in a fit of rage more attractive but it doesn't do much for that your pastorly appearance.

Valiant
04-04-2005, 01:39 AM
I would neg rep him still about dishonest tactics...

But it is your own damn fault for not reading his ratings before on the negatives...

PastorMikH
04-04-2005, 06:28 AM
Nice, sure makes trashing your clubs in a fit of rage more attractive but it doesn't do much for that your pastorly appearance.


True. The Doc tends to fling his from time to time. In fact we kid him from time to time about the air time his clubs have, how his club just went farther than the ball and such. I don't do the club throwing bit myself. Appearance is a bit unbecoming and those shafts cost a lot of $ after you replace several.