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kc rush
03-28-2005, 04:44 PM
Its Athan, so take it for what its worth.

LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_363948_115&prov=citadel&type=lgns)

Chiefs Have Decisions to Make This Week

Nick Athan - Scout.com
March 28, 2005 at 10:23am ET
With the majority of the Chiefs top brass returning to Arrowhead today, the rumors of a week ago involving several potential new additions to the Kansas City roster could come to fruition this week. We break down the players the Chiefs have targeted as we draw ever closer to April where the talk will be centered on the NFL Draft.

After a quick blast into free agency and the week long NFL meetings in Hawaii, Chiefs President Carl Peterson and Head Coach Dick Vermeil will return to Arrowhead today to discuss the next moves in the Chiefs pursuit to upgrade the defensive personnel.

The hot topic remains cornerback Patrick Surtain . The All-Pro cornerback was rumored to be close to coming to Kansas City late last week. Though we have confirmed the two sides talked through the weekend; no deal has been yet been reached. It appears from all accounts, that the Chiefs are more than willing to pay Surtain the kind of dollars he's seeking but the stickler in this deal remains compensation to the Dolphins to conclude the trade and sign deal.

Kansas City has refused to part with their second round pick and have only offered Miami one of their two fourth round picks in April's draft. The Chiefs appear determined on keeping the second rounder as leverage in the event another player such as the Saints Darren Howard who is still on the trading block after the Dallas Cowboys backed off of him last week. But if not for that reason, the Chiefs might be targeting a certain cornerback from Miami in the draft, but as it appears now they'd have to move up into the Top 10 to snag the Hurricanes Antrel Rolle .

Surtain is clearly the choice of the Chiefs but the teams reluctance to trade that second pick could lead them back to Ty Law . The former Patriot is supposed to shed his walking boot this week and the Chiefs as well as the New York Jets and Indianapolis Colts are eager to take a look at him again. He could return for another visit with the Chiefs next week if talks with Surtain and the Dolphins fall apart.

Law's agent Carl Poston, who also represents Surtain, has indicated that the Patriots have a standing $24 million offer on the table for their former cornerback. But that report has been flatly denied by New England as they appear to have no interest in retaining his services once again.

The Chiefs now face a dilemma as they don't want to get into a bidding war for Law and they have to know eventually another team is going to get into the Surtain sweepstakes. The latest rumor has the San Diego Chargers interested in Surtain and they have plenty of draft picks to send to Miami if they so choose. Now the Chargers have a plethora of young defensive backs but they could make a serious run at Surtain if the Chiefs don't make a move soon.

Kansas City also has interest in Tennessee Titans restricted free agent defensive end Carlos Hall . His agent the infamous Drew Rosenhaus is trying to get the Chiefs to pony up a late round draft pick for his client. Hall is a restricted free agent and the Titans can match any offer for their young defensive end. If they don't match the offer, then Kansas City would have to send Tennessee a seventh round draft pick. But it's unlikely they'll match the offer. The Titans don't feel Hall has much upside. The knock on Hall is his lack of focus on the field. Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham knows Hall very well and he'd like to bring him to Kansas City and is confident he can turn his career around. Hall was very good for the Titans early in his career but struggled in 2004. The Chiefs could probably acquire Hall for a sixth round draft pick if they can come to terms with him on a new contract.

Veteran defensive end Jay Williams was reportedly offered a contract by the Chiefs last week but we've learned that was false. The former Ram and Dolphin is expected to visit St. Louis on Tuesday and will consider playing for either of the Show Me State teams if the money is right. Personally I think Hall has more upside but Williams is a veteran and is very familiar with Vermeil who coached him while he played with the Rams. But my source with the Chiefs told me this morning that he doubted KC would make him a solid offer.

The other hot name on the tongue of Chiefs fans is Houston linebacker Jamie Sharper . The Texans announced they're only seeking a fourth round draft pick for the seven year veteran. The Chiefs still have nobody to play alongside Kendrell Bell , who they signed as a free agent two weeks ago. Both Monty Beisel and Scott Fujita remain unsigned and injuries to Mike Maslowski and Shawn Barber have the team considering trying to fill that linebacker void in the draft. Now that might be hard to do if the Chiefs don't add a veteran cornerback before the draft. They must find another starting cornerback before they can consider upgrading the linebacker position.

So this could be a big week because the Chiefs who have maneuverability with 11 draft picks. It's very unlikely the Chiefs will keep all those picks. They could trade three of them to acquire, Surtain, Hall and Sharper if they so choose. With a defense that is still not ready to compete in the AFC West, the Chiefs can't wait too long to pull the trigger.

Everyone knows that NFL Free Agency is a sprint and not a marathon. But the Chiefs need to kick it in high gear and acquire more defensive help before they reach the finish line. They can't rely on the NFL Draft to solve their woes on defense. If they do, it could be another cold winter for Chiefs fans.

redbrian
03-28-2005, 04:48 PM
Set panic mode to extreme.

Cochise
03-28-2005, 04:50 PM
That's funny. Athan says the pick is the problem when most every source including CP himself has said that the contract was the problem.

siberian khatru
03-28-2005, 04:52 PM
Set panic mode to extreme.

Mine goes to 11.

redbrian
03-28-2005, 04:58 PM
Mine goes to 11.

One louder than 10, for that extra push.

The Bad Guy
03-28-2005, 05:00 PM
Nick Athan is a douchebag who has zero contacts with the Chiefs.

I've said it on this board numerous times, but I know for a fact he makes up stores. PM Marty McDonald if you want to hear some good ones.

Day 1 of FA during the Vermeil era here, he posts a story on NFLScoop saying that Corey Dillon was a Chief..Thankfully, Marty had to approve the story for it to be published and he pulled it.

The guy is a Ms. Cleo-type fraud. What's even funnier are the yahoo's over at Chiefs Coalition that think his word is gospel.

Big Chief Homer
03-28-2005, 05:03 PM
I see no problem sending a 2nd for surtain,a 4th for sharper and a 7th for hall.That still leaves the #1 pick to use or move down to regain the lost 2nd.you get a decent starting LB instead of a 2nd tier or worse and you get a player Gun likes and thinks can contribute instead of a practice squad guy or camp fodder.

IMO with just those 3 picks you can get players who automatically make the d better.And fill a couple of holes.Then at #15 you can afford to take the best player available.

Id be happy with this

Surtain,Warfield, and draft Rolle

Belle,Fujita,Sharper and Barber healing in the wings with,fox and mitchell in watch and learn mode.

Hall pushing simms and Hicks for playing time.

tyton75
03-28-2005, 05:04 PM
11 is more than 10 now innitt

nascher
03-28-2005, 05:08 PM
"two fourth round picks" We have only 1 !!!! Idiot

Bob Dole
03-28-2005, 05:15 PM
11 is more than 10 now innitt

True enough, Nigel.

KCChiefsFan88
03-28-2005, 06:09 PM
Athan and Warpaint Illustrated, link the Chiefs with about 80 free agents every offseason that they report the Chiefs are "close to signing" and nothing ever happens.

Tuckdaddy
03-28-2005, 06:09 PM
If we don't get Surtain it will be because of Carl. I like what he's done this off season with Bell and Knight but we need a CB bad.

Mr. Laz
03-28-2005, 06:12 PM
If we don't get Surtain it will be because of Carl. I like what he's done this off season with Bell and Knight but we need a CB bad.

whatever you say, TuckitbetweenulegsDaddy

Saulbadguy
03-28-2005, 06:14 PM
Nick Athan is a douchebag who has zero contacts with the Chiefs.

I've said it on this board numerous times, but I know for a fact he makes up stores. PM Marty McDonald if you want to hear some good ones.

Day 1 of FA during the Vermeil era here, he posts a story on NFLScoop saying that Corey Dillon was a Chief..Thankfully, Marty had to approve the story for it to be published and he pulled it.

The guy is a Ms. Cleo-type fraud. What's even funnier are the yahoo's over at Chiefs Coalition that think his word is gospel.
He also predicted Roy is staying, and Coach Fran to KU.

bricks
03-28-2005, 06:50 PM
So this could be a big week because the Chiefs who have maneuverability with 11 draft picks. It's very unlikely the Chiefs will keep all those picks. They could trade three of them to acquire, Surtain, Hall and Sharper if they so choose. With a defense that is still not ready to compete in the AFC West, the Chiefs can't wait too long to pull the trigger.

Ah F*ck off Athan. You pile of sh*t. It's funny he mentions Sharper, when we have heard absolutely no interest from the Chiefs, or any other reliable sources reporting the Chiefs expressing interest in the outside linebacker.

I swear to you. If all this happened, I will personally attend 1 Arrowhead Dr with my Van and Chiefs gear. I will bring my specialized PA system along with my specialized stereo system. I will request an announcement to Chief fans, players, management,and employees. The request will involve myself announcing my happiness, praise towards the organization for an impressive off-season. I will personally strip in front of a live audience, on the front of my chest will show Chiefs symbol, on the back will read Bell/Knight/Surtain/Sharper/Hall. I will crank my stereo system to the Macarena, and do the Macarena!

That's how confident I am that this guy is full of sh*t!

whoman69
03-28-2005, 07:01 PM
I'm kinda rooting for this to happen just to see bricks make a fool of himself.

Skip Towne
03-28-2005, 07:03 PM
Ah F*ck off Athan. You pile of sh*t. It's funny he mentions Sharper, when we have heard absolutely no interest from the Chiefs, or any other reliable sources reporting the Chiefs expressing interest in the outside linebacker.

I swear to you. If all this happened, I will personally attend 1 Arrowhead Dr with my Van and Chiefs gear. I will bring my specialized PA system along with my specialized stereo system. I will request an announcement to Chief fans, players, management,and employees. The request will involve myself announcing my happiness, praise towards the organization for an impressive off-season. I will personally strip in front of a live audience, on the front of my chest will show Chiefs symbol, on the back will read Bell/Knight/Surtain/Sharper/Hall. I will crank my stereo system to the Macarena, and do the Macarena!

That's how confident I am that this guy is full of sh*t!
I seriously doubt you get any interest in that spectacle.

bricks
03-28-2005, 07:15 PM
I seriously doubt you get any interest in that spectacle.

Hmmmm, it seems like Whoaman69 will attend the show.

Phobia
03-28-2005, 07:18 PM
I'm kinda rooting for this to happen just to see bricks make a fool of himself.

Haven't you seen any of his other posts?

Chiefnj
03-28-2005, 08:52 PM
The guy is a Ms. Cleo-type fraud. What's even funnier are the yahoo's over at Chiefs Coalition that think his word is gospel.


If there is a sociology or psychology major looking for an idea for a thesis, you can compare the different attitudes between chiefsplanet and chiefscoalition. Similar Chief fans, but completely different takes on the team.

jspchief
03-28-2005, 09:08 PM
Poston is Law and Surtain's agent?

My prediction is we get neither. Poston has been the agent behind nearly every holdout the Chiefs have had under CP, including all the difficulties with getting our first round picks in camp. Poston and Peterson are like oil and water.

BigChiefFan
03-28-2005, 09:11 PM
Poston is Law and Surtain's agent?

My prediction is we get neither. Poston has been the agent behind nearly every holdout the Chiefs have had under CP, including all the difficulties with getting our first round picks in camp. Poston and Peterson are like oil and water.Thum handles most of the actual negotiations.

Chiefnj
03-28-2005, 09:11 PM
Poston is Law and Surtain's agent?

My prediction is we get neither. Poston has been the agent behind nearly every holdout the Chiefs have had under CP, including all the difficulties with getting our first round picks in camp. Poston and Peterson are like oil and water.

Not as far as I know. I think that is another example of WI being "right on" with their facts. Lots of recent articles said Gary Uberstine (sp?) was his agent.

Chiefnj
03-28-2005, 09:13 PM
From an article a few weeks ago over at 810:

Kansas City has emerged as the leading suitor for cornerback Patrick Surtain, but a deal Sunday didn't seem imminent.

Chiefs President Carl Peterson told the Kansas City Star that he has spoken with Surtain's agent, Gary Uberstine, about a contract.

But a source said Sunday that the Dolphins haven't recently spoken with Peterson about a trade, indicating contract parameters must be agreed upon first.

"It's in the hands of Miami," Peterson said. "They're looking for a draft choice. And it's also in the hands of the agent, who's looking for a big contract. We've talked, but the number is too big.

"If it gets reasonable, then fine. The first part is do the dollars make sense? Now they're a little high."

jspchief
03-28-2005, 09:17 PM
Thum handles most of the actual negotiations.Which doesn't change the fact that Poston and the Chiefs always struggle to reach an agreement...

Not as far as I know. I think that is another example of WI being "right on" with their facts. Lots of recent articles said Gary Uberstine (sp?) was his agent.

Thats good news. I knew Poston was Law's agent, but hadn't heard who Surtain's was.

BigChiefFan
03-28-2005, 09:22 PM
Which doesn't change the fact that Poston and the Chiefs always struggle to reach an agreement...



Thats good news. I knew Poston was Law's agent, but hadn't heard who Surtain's was.Poston's tiff was directly with Carl during the Tait negotiations. That's why I mentioned Thum. Besides that, I don't believe Poston is Surtain's agent anyway.

philfree
03-28-2005, 09:49 PM
Poston's tiff was directly with Carl during the Tait negotiations. That's why I mentioned Thum. Besides that, I don't believe Poston is Surtain's agent anyway.

I thought Tait's agent was Ethan Locke.

PhilFree :arrow:

Wile_E_Coyote
03-28-2005, 10:35 PM
that must leave Sims with Engledork