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Coach
03-28-2005, 06:07 PM
Haven't seen this. If repost, my apologies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7462-2005Mar28.html

Brown Opts to Go to Denver

By Nunyo Demasio
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 28, 2005; 5:32 PM

Courtney Brown, the talented yet injury-prone defensive end, today accepted the Denver Broncos's offer, concluding a protracted courtship involving several suitors -- including the Washington Redskins -- according to sources familiar with the situation.

The 6-foot-4, 290-pounder kept the Redskins and Broncos in suspense through a process that started March 14, by twice postponing his decision -- initially the previous weekend and then Thursday. As recently as Friday, Brown remained torn between the teams, sources said, after final telephone pitches from Denver Coach Mike Shanahan and Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs.

Terms of the contract were undisclosed, but sources described it as a multiyear deal with incentives heavily tied to Brown's ability to stay healthy.

Gibbs, also the team president, wasn't available to comment today.

Brown's decision was the latest free-agent setback -- albeit a relatively minor one -- for Washington, which failed to re-sign linebacker Antonio Pierce (New York Giants) and cornerback Fred Smoot (Minnesota Vikings). One of Washington's goals in the offseason was landing a pass-rush specialist. Last year, the Redskins were tied for fourth in the NFC with 40 sacks, yet most came on blitzes by linebackers and defensive ends. (Only 10 sacks were collected by the club's regular defensive ends, led by Ron Warner's 3.5.)

Brown -- the top overall pick in the 2000 draft -- was released by the Cleveland Browns on March 14 after declining to take a substantial pay cut. Brown drew heavy interest despite having missed 33 games during his five-year NFL career, finishing the past four seasons on the injured reserve.

The Broncos and Redskins -- the first teams Brown visited -- were considered the front-runners, although the Jacksonville Jaguars also made an offer. The Seattle Seahawks, the last team Brown visited, balked at a contract offer.

The Broncos were so certain about landing Brown that they informed other NFL team officials and publicly expressed confidence. Conversely, Gibbs expressed skepticism about landing Brown, noting his visits with other teams after Washington's offer.

Denver held Brown's first visit March 15. But the day before -- only hours after Brown's release -- Gibbs and Greg Blache, Washington's de facto defensive line coach, flew to Cleveland for dinner with Brown and wife, Candace. On March 17, Brown visited Redskins Park before bucking a free-agency trend by departing without accepting Washington's offer.

The weekend of March 19, Brown was expected to choose between the Broncos and Redskins and to cancel his other visits. Instead, Brown visited the Jacksonville Jaguars (March 21) and Seattle Seahawks (last Tuesday). Then after telling teams that he would make a decision by Thursday, Brown informed them he needed more time.

He rebuffed the Redskins despite having ties to the club. Star linebacker LaVar Arrington played at Penn State with Brown from 1996 to 1999 and the two remain close. Washington recently signed Pierson Prioleau, a reserve safety and stellar special-teams player, who is Brown's second cousin. And Foge Fazio, a Redskins defensive consultant, was Cleveland's defensive coordinator in 2001 and 2002. Yet another link was that Brown's agent, Marvin Demoff, also represents Gregg Williams -- assistant head coach, defense.

Beyond the Broncos's offer, their sole tie was apparently enough: Defensive line coach Andre Patterson, who held the same position in Cleveland and formed a rapport with Brown.

Redskins Note: The Redskins announced today the re-signing of kicker Jeff Chandler.

Cochise
03-28-2005, 06:42 PM
ROFL

jspchief
03-28-2005, 06:45 PM
The Denver Browns. Heh, you can't make this sh*t up.

Mile High Mania
03-28-2005, 06:48 PM
Somebody already coined the phrase Denver Browncos.

Skip Towne
03-28-2005, 06:51 PM
Haven't seen this. If repost, my apologies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7462-2005Mar28.html

Brown Opts to Go to Denver

By Nunyo Demasio
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 28, 2005; 5:32 PM

Courtney Brown, the talented yet injury-prone defensive end, today accepted the Denver Broncos's offer, concluding a protracted courtship involving several suitors -- including the Washington Redskins -- according to sources familiar with the situation.

The 6-foot-4, 290-pounder kept the Redskins and Broncos in suspense through a process that started March 14, by twice postponing his decision -- initially the previous weekend and then Thursday. As recently as Friday, Brown remained torn between the teams, sources said, after final telephone pitches from Denver Coach Mike Shanahan and Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs.

Terms of the contract were undisclosed, but sources described it as a multiyear deal with incentives heavily tied to Brown's ability to stay healthy.

Gibbs, also the team president, wasn't available to comment today.

Brown's decision was the latest free-agent setback -- albeit a relatively minor one -- for Washington, which failed to re-sign linebacker Antonio Pierce (New York Giants) and cornerback Fred Smoot (Minnesota Vikings). One of Washington's goals in the offseason was landing a pass-rush specialist. Last year, the Redskins were tied for fourth in the NFC with 40 sacks, yet most came on blitzes by linebackers and defensive ends. (Only 10 sacks were collected by the club's regular defensive ends, led by Ron Warner's 3.5.)

Brown -- the top overall pick in the 2000 draft -- was released by the Cleveland Browns on March 14 after declining to take a substantial pay cut. Brown drew heavy interest despite having missed 33 games during his five-year NFL career, finishing the past four seasons on the injured reserve.

The Broncos and Redskins -- the first teams Brown visited -- were considered the front-runners, although the Jacksonville Jaguars also made an offer. The Seattle Seahawks, the last team Brown visited, balked at a contract offer.

The Broncos were so certain about landing Brown that they informed other NFL team officials and publicly expressed confidence. Conversely, Gibbs expressed skepticism about landing Brown, noting his visits with other teams after Washington's offer.

Denver held Brown's first visit March 15. But the day before -- only hours after Brown's release -- Gibbs and Greg Blache, Washington's de facto defensive line coach, flew to Cleveland for dinner with Brown and wife, Candace. On March 17, Brown visited Redskins Park before bucking a free-agency trend by departing without accepting Washington's offer.

The weekend of March 19, Brown was expected to choose between the Broncos and Redskins and to cancel his other visits. Instead, Brown visited the Jacksonville Jaguars (March 21) and Seattle Seahawks (last Tuesday). Then after telling teams that he would make a decision by Thursday, Brown informed them he needed more time.

He rebuffed the Redskins despite having ties to the club. Star linebacker LaVar Arrington played at Penn State with Brown from 1996 to 1999 and the two remain close. Washington recently signed Pierson Prioleau, a reserve safety and stellar special-teams player, who is Brown's second cousin. And Foge Fazio, a Redskins defensive consultant, was Cleveland's defensive coordinator in 2001 and 2002. Yet another link was that Brown's agent, Marvin Demoff, also represents Gregg Williams -- assistant head coach, defense.

Beyond the Broncos's offer, their sole tie was apparently enough: Defensive line coach Andre Patterson, who held the same position in Cleveland and formed a rapport with Brown.

Redskins Note: The Redskins announced today the re-signing of kicker Jeff Chandler.
I hope all the gimps sign with the Donkeys.

Cochise
03-28-2005, 06:54 PM
How long until the "take a good look at this smile, Priest..." thread?

Count Zarth
03-28-2005, 06:56 PM
Only a fool would make a thread like that. Courtney Brown is a poor man's Vonnie Holliday.

Here are some Brownie fan quotes:

This is verbatim.


Good riddance.



The Browns wasted a lot of money on him.



Warren and Brown.....Oh boy is Denver going to have a stellar pass rush and run d......


LOL, the IRONY of Denver's "NEW" defensive line is hilarious!!!


Have fun this year Shannahan!!! LOL


C Brown is absolutely no loss.

Don't base your opinion on his speed from his college days. His numerous knee surgeries have limited his ability. I wouldn't pay him money, he can't stay healthy. Why pay when he can't play?

Saulbadguy
03-28-2005, 07:18 PM
ROFL
ROFL

Mile High Mania
03-28-2005, 07:41 PM
I'm going to need some time in order to spin this one, so please be patient.

MGRS13
03-28-2005, 07:56 PM
I'm going to need some time in order to spin this one, so please be patient.
The best I can do for you is say you now have your own Ryan Sims, enjoy the ride. :p

Saulbadguy
03-28-2005, 07:57 PM
CourtneyBrownNextDuaneClemons

Cochise
03-28-2005, 08:01 PM
I'm going to need some time in order to spin this one, so please be patient.

ROFL

I almost feel sorry for you. Almost :fire:

Count Zarth
03-28-2005, 08:02 PM
CourtneyBrownNextDuaneClemons

Dipshit! BrownNextHolliday

SBK
03-28-2005, 08:31 PM
Denver's turning into a turd collection facility.

Taco John
03-28-2005, 09:00 PM
Personally, I like the signing. It reminds me of your Bell signing. If it works out, we get a defensive lineman on the cheap... if it doesn't, we cut him with little to no impact.

Talentwise, he's better than anything you've got in your front four (just more injury prone). Not sure why Chiefs fans are laughing.

Taco John
03-28-2005, 09:01 PM
Denver's turning into a turd collection facility.



Have you seen your defense the last few years? If we're a facility, you guys are a fricken turd mega-warehouse.

Woodrow Call
03-28-2005, 09:01 PM
Personally, I like the signing. It reminds me of your Bell signing. If it works out, we get a defensive lineman on the cheap... if it doesn't, we cut him with little to no impact.

Talentwise, he's better than anything you've got in your front four. Not sure why Chiefs fans are laughing.
ROFL

jspchief
03-28-2005, 09:08 PM
Have you seen your defense the last few years? If we're a facility, you guys are a fricken turd mega-warehouse.
yea, our defense is no Cleveland Browns D ROFL

SBK
03-28-2005, 09:19 PM
Have you seen your defense the last few years? If we're a facility, you guys are a fricken turd mega-warehouse.

Ask any Browns fan, Brown and Warren are turds. Hence turd collection.

Taco John
03-28-2005, 09:31 PM
Ask any Browns fan, Brown and Warren are turds. Hence turd collection.



You must have forgot that you have Lional Dalton, Eric Hicks, Ryan Simms, and Jared Allen manning your front four.

Rain Man
03-28-2005, 09:32 PM
Now there's a low-energy signing. I wonder if we'll ever see him break into a run before Denver cuts him.

Stinger
03-28-2005, 09:35 PM
Talentwise, he's better than anything you've got in your front four (just more injury prone). Not sure why Chiefs fans are laughing.

Remind me again who was on the front line durring the game when Jamal Lewis broke the single game rushing record.

ROFL ROFL

beer bacon
03-28-2005, 09:59 PM
You must have forgot that you have Lional Dalton, Eric Hicks, Ryan Simms, and Jared Allen manning your front four.

Jarad Allen in ten starts had 9 sacks. Brown has 17 sacks in five seasons. The most sacks Brown has ever had in a single season is 6. He is so much better then Allen :rolleyes: . Eric Hicks, who just about everyone agrees is mediocre, has 40.5 sacks in seven seasons.

Cochise
03-28-2005, 10:07 PM
Not sure why Chiefs fans are laughing.

It helps with the pain.

Spicy McHaggis
03-28-2005, 10:16 PM
You must have forgot that you have Lional Dalton, Eric Hicks, Ryan Simms, and Jared Allen manning your front four.

Jared Allen > Brown, Lional Dalton > Warren.

Thanks for reminding us.

Chief_Justice
03-28-2005, 10:51 PM
You must have forgot that you have Lional Dalton, Eric Hicks, Ryan Simms, and Jared Allen manning your front four.


And you must have forgot that these four combined for more sacks than Denver's pathetic D-Line last year, despite KC not having a great shut-down CB (insert joke here) like Denver.

Count Zarth
03-29-2005, 04:50 AM
Taco John is full of shit as usual, but others have done most of the smackdown in this thread. I'll just contribute this?:

What's funny is that the player in his sig ISN'T EVEN COURTNEY BROWN! ROFL

Count Zarth
03-29-2005, 04:53 AM
Personally, I like the signing. It reminds me of your Bell signing.

Except that Kendrell Bell is an impact player when healthy. Courtney Brown is a poor-man's Vonnie Holliday.

Ultra Peanut
03-29-2005, 06:27 AM
You must have forgot that you have Lional Dalton, Eric Hicks, Ryan Simms, and Jared Allen manning your front four.Bahahahahaha. You know you can't handle this!

htismaqe
03-29-2005, 07:17 AM
Bahahahahaha. You know you can't handle this!

ROFL

jspchief
03-29-2005, 08:58 AM
Bahahahahaha. You know you can't handle this!

That's awesome. I thought I'd never see that sack dance again after the NFL lit him up for $7k in fines for it. That's a pretty big fine for a rookie who's still trying to make his way in the pre-season.

Mile High Mania
03-29-2005, 09:54 AM
I've only found that it's a 1 year down with big incentives that could become a 5 year deal. They didn't give up a draft pick for him, so if his cap hit in 05 is minimal, which it appears to be, then I don't have an issue with it.

I'm not on cloud 9 after hearing the news, just b/c the injury history concerns me. That being said, the new Dline coach (formerly from CLE) has to see something in him. So, if it truly is for a bargain basement $ amount, the upside could be huge... if he can stay healthy and that's a damn big IF.

We'll see what happens with Pryce and if they are seriously still going after the guy from Baltimore, which it sounds like they are according to the Denver Post today.

If they had dumped big $ on Brown, I'd be depressed... if he plays and avoids injury, then he'll get paid which is a great contract scenario for Denver.

Who knows... I'm still interested in what else they may do prior to the draft.

keg in kc
03-29-2005, 09:58 AM
the new Dline coach (formerly from CLE)Well, that would certainly make me sleep better, were I a Bronco fan.

Braincase
03-29-2005, 10:11 AM
Who needs a D Line when you have Champ Bailey?

vailpass
03-29-2005, 10:15 AM
Who needs a D Line when you have Champ Bailey?

If, and I said 'if', Denver gets their D-line together Champ Bailey will be worth every penny he is paid.

Mile High Mania
03-29-2005, 10:43 AM
This is very true... it's all about the Dline, as that is the piece that has pretty much failed the last few years. Yes a few players have had nice seasons, but the consistent pressure on the QB and stopping the run hasn't been there.

The coaches know this and I just can't fathom the notion that they would bring in guys that they really didn't think had a chance at doing great things.

It's a Risk/Reward situation... right now with Brown, the $ and terms appear to be low, so the risk is low.

Chief_Justice
03-29-2005, 11:06 AM
If, and I said 'if', Denver gets their D-line together Champ Bailey will be worth every penny he is paid.

But....but....but....but....I thought signing a dominant shut-down CB WAS going to make Denver's D-Line better, giving them more time to get to the QB. That's what we were told last year.

So now, in essence, you are saying that once Denver's D-Line becomes great (see relying on injury-prone Brown and lazy, under-achieving Warren) THEN Champ Bailey will become the dominant CB he was suppose to be last season?


Wow.......that's 60 million dollars well spent.

Mile High Mania
03-29-2005, 11:14 AM
While Champ did get beat a number of times, he still had a hell of a season.

SBK
03-29-2005, 11:28 AM
I think every Chiefs fan would love to have Chump, but Im not so sure anyone here is interested in Brown or Warren.

At least Denver signed them to pretty smart contracts.....I still stand by my turd collection facility statement.

So do these guys.

BRONCOS LINING UP THE TURDS You'd think that the Denver Broncos might have developed a little of that caveat emptor thing after getting burned by high-profile free agents like Daryl Gardener and Dale Carter. Instead, the Broncos are doing some more carpe diem when it comes to defensive players with a checkered track record. With former Browns defensive tackle Gerard Warren already in the fold, the Broncos will now sign former Browns defensive end Courtney Brown (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~86~2787262,00.html). Both Warren and Brown were take high in the first round -- and both have been colossal busts in the NFL. But in Denver, they'll line up side-by-side again, where they'll get a second chance that we're not so sure either of them deserves. Brown, per the Denver Post, has agreed to a one-year deal with options that could transform it into a five-year package, including incentives based on playing time and performance. As one league personnel exec told us, "Brown will never been more than an adequate player in the NFL." But at least the Broncos are being careful not to give the keys to the vault to Brown, like they did with Gardener two years ago, who ended up in Denver despite widespread reports that he was a bad influence in the locker room, and fears that he'd revert to turdishness once he gets paid. Brown, the first pick in the 2000 draft, hasn't been able to stay healthy in his five NFL seasons. Even now, he's not expected to be at full strength until May. The Broncos apparently are banking on the fact that the string of injuries were an aberration, and not a sign that Brown's big frame simply can't withstand the day-to-day physical demands of life in the NFL. And even though the Broncos might have protected themselves financially on this one, coach Mike Shanahan hardly can afford another free agent blunder. Though Shanny has been a master of plucking diamonds from the sewage treatment plant on day two of the draft, the team has been horrific in free agency on Shanahan's watch. Then again, Shanahan could sign O.J. Simpson in free agency and still get a glowing review from owner Pat Bowlen, who apparently is deeply hypnotized by those two Super Bowl trophies that Shanny won at a time when the team was blatantly cheating on the salary cap.

Chief_Justice
03-29-2005, 11:36 AM
While Champ did get beat a number of times, he still had a hell of a season.

I disagree.

The games I saw him play in he was getting beat down field a number of times. Granted, I only saw about 6 or 7 of Denver's games last year. You can blame some of that on the rule changes, but he did NOT play like the shut-down CB Denver paid him to be.

I'm not saying he's not talented. We all know he is. He just didn't make very many IMPACT plays last year. In fact, the only impact play that I personally witnessed was the athletic INT he got on Green in the first game against KC. That was a hell of a play!

When you pay a guy 60 million dollars, you expect him to shut down his side of the field and make a HUGE play every couple of games.....the way Deion Sanders use to. Yes, Deion Sanders was a puss and couldn't tackle, but QB's were literally afraid to throw to his side of the field and when they did, he usually made them pay.

Needless to say, no QB was afraid to throw @ Champ last year.

He made the Pro Bowl by default and on reputation. Nothing more, nothing less.

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 11:46 AM
What's funny is that the player in his sig ISN'T EVEN COURTNEY BROWN! ROFL

Not to mention that Trent is picking up a first down.

Hercules Rockefell
03-29-2005, 11:48 AM
BRONCOS LINING UP THE TURDS You'd think that the Denver Broncos might have developed a little of that caveat emptor thing after getting burned by high-profile free agents like Daryl Gardener and Dale Carter. Instead, the Broncos are doing some more carpe diem when it comes to defensive players with a checkered track record. With former Browns defensive tackle Gerard Warren already in the fold, the Broncos will now sign former Browns defensive end Courtney Brown (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~86~2787262,00.html). Both Warren and Brown were take high in the first round -- and both have been colossal busts in the NFL. But in Denver, they'll line up side-by-side again, where they'll get a second chance that we're not so sure either of them deserves. Brown, per the Denver Post, has agreed to a one-year deal with options that could transform it into a five-year package, including incentives based on playing time and performance. As one league personnel exec told us, "Brown will never been more than an adequate player in the NFL." But at least the Broncos are being careful not to give the keys to the vault to Brown, like they did with Gardener two years ago, who ended up in Denver despite widespread reports that he was a bad influence in the locker room, and fears that he'd revert to turdishness once he gets paid. Brown, the first pick in the 2000 draft, hasn't been able to stay healthy in his five NFL seasons. Even now, he's not expected to be at full strength until May. The Broncos apparently are banking on the fact that the string of injuries were an aberration, and not a sign that Brown's big frame simply can't withstand the day-to-day physical demands of life in the NFL. And even though the Broncos might have protected themselves financially on this one, coach Mike Shanahan hardly can afford another free agent blunder. Though Shanny has been a master of plucking diamonds from the sewage treatment plant on day two of the draft, the team has been horrific in free agency on Shanahan's watch. Then again, Shanahan could sign O.J. Simpson in free agency and still get a glowing review from owner Pat Bowlen, who apparently is deeply hypnotized by those two Super Bowl trophies that Shanny won at a time when the team was blatantly cheating on the salary cap.

The funny part about that article is that Shanahan probably gets more credit then he deserves for late-round picks since he hasn't pulled one out in years, but his FA signings are much better then he's given credit for.

vailpass
03-29-2005, 11:54 AM
But....but....but....but....I thought signing a dominant shut-down CB WAS going to make Denver's D-Line better, giving them more time to get to the QB. That's what we were told last year.

1) Football fact for you: there does not exist the NFL cover back who can stay with an NFL reciever for more than a few seconds. Period. If a QB is allowed to stand in the pocket and wait there is not a cover back in the league who won't get beat.
When Champ was aquired Denver had Hayward and Pryce covering both ends along with tow of the nastiest, fastest LB's in the West.
When Pryce went down the pass rush suffered.

So now, in essence, you are saying that once Denver's D-Line becomes great (see relying on injury-prone Brown and lazy, under-achieving Warren) THEN Champ Bailey will become the dominant CB he was suppose to be last season?

2) Please note that I said, then repeated, "if" Denver can get their D-line together Champ will be worth every penny.


Wow.......that's 60 million dollars well spent.

3)If you doubt that salary $ on premier cover backs is money well spent I suggest you review the game tapes from KC's last two seasons. Ask yourself how far the Chiefs could have gone had they only been able to prevent teams fromscoring at will through the air when it matterd most.

Mile High Mania
03-29-2005, 12:09 PM
I have never hidden my displeasure when watching Bailey get burned as badly as he did in 2004.

But, Vailpass hit it on the head... opposing QBs had incredibly too much time. Look at the games when Bailey really looked foolish. Oakland @ Denver, the Cincy game, the Falcons game... there are 3 games where the QBs had so much freaking time to let the plays develop.

I do agree that Bailey was not the "shutdown" they paid for, but I think it can be directly related to the loss of Pryce and the rotation of guys on the Dline who were not stellar.

We'll see if they can improve it this year.

QBs threw at EVERY badass CB last year. There's a reason the guys in the Baltimore secondary went wild... their pass rush helped them out greatly. I'm not saying that McAllister and Reed are lucky, they're badasses... if the Raven's d-line weren't in the face of the QB, there might be a different story.

KCTitus
03-29-2005, 12:27 PM
This is the 2nd #1 overall pick Cleveland let go...boy, that's worse than CP drafting right there.

I hope Denver enjoys the success that Cleveland had with Mr. Brown.

Count Zarth
03-29-2005, 12:30 PM
Not to mention that Trent is picking up a first down.

Yeah I checked it out. Courtney Brown has never sacked Trent Green, let alone tackle him.

Tuckdaddy
03-29-2005, 12:34 PM
Personally, I like the signing. It reminds me of your Bell signing. If it works out, we get a defensive lineman on the cheap... if it doesn't, we cut him with little to no impact.

Talentwise, he's better than anything you've got in your front four (just more injury prone). Not sure why Chiefs fans are laughing.

Taco because he is a loser. Just like Warren.

vailpass
03-29-2005, 01:05 PM
Taco because he is a loser. Just like Warren.

At this point it's hard to argue with that. Hopefully a change of program/organization will bring out a good year or two from both of these projects.