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Kyle401
03-29-2005, 07:51 AM
Rules
1. You can trade, but only picks in this draft. Compensatory picks are not tradable. Players and future picks are not tradable. You should use this trade value chart (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2004/TradeValue.htm) to be sure your deal is close in value. If it's not, I'll either amend or veto it. Please prepare trades ahead of time instead of holding us up for hours during your pick.
2. If you will be gone for awhile and are almost up, please email me (or provide someone, somehow) a list of players for your pick.
3. Please don't start a ton of war room threads on the main site. That's what the contacts list is for. As much as you can, keep the discussion contained to the discussion thread (http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=116060) and keep your picks posted here.
4. You should make a selection based on what you think the team will do, not necessarily what you think it should do.
5. Be patient, especially at the beginning as we get going.

1.1 San Francisco - WR Braylon Edwards, Michigan
1.2 Miami - RB Ronnie Brown, Auburn
1.3 Cleveland - LB Derrick Johnson, Texas
1.4 Chicago - WR Mike Williams, USC
1.5 Tampa Bay - RB Carnell Williams, Auburn
1.6 Tennessee - RB Cedric Benson, Texas
1.7 Minnesota (from Oakland) - CB Adam "Pac-man" Jones, West Virginia
1.8 Arizona - QB Alex Smith, Utah
1.9 Washington - CB Antrelle Rolle, Miami
1.10 Detroit - OT Alex Barron, Florida State
1.11 Dallas - DE Shawne Merriman, Maryland
1.12 San Diego (from New York Giants) - DE/DT Shaun Cody, USC
1.13 Houston - DE Marcus Spears, LSU
1.14 Carolina - WR Troy Williamson, South Carolina
1.15 Kansas City - CB Carlos Rogers, Auburn
1.16 New Orleans - SS/OLB Thomas Davis, Georgia
1.17 Cincinnati - DE Erasmus James, Wisconsin
1.18 Philadelphia (from Minnesota) - OT Jammal Brown, Oklahoma
1.19 St. Louis - OT Adam Terry, Syracuse
1.20 Dallas (from Buffalo) - DE Dan Cody, Oklahoma
1.21 Jacksonville - DE David Pollack, Georgia
1.22 San Francisco (from Baltimore) - QB Aaron Rodgers, California
1.23 Seattle - DT Travis Johnson, Florida St.
1.24 Green Bay - DT Anttaj Hawthorne, Wisconsin
1.25 Denver - WR Roddy White, UAB
1.26 N.Y. Jets - TE Heath Miller, Virginia
1.27 Atlanta - WR Mark Clayton, Oklahoma
1.28 San Diego - DE/OLB Matt Roth, Iowa
1.29 Indianapolis - CB Fabian Washington, Nebraska
1.30 Pittsburgh - LB Barrett Ruud, Nebraska
1.31 Minnesota (from Philadelphia) - DE Demarcus Ware, Troy
1.32 New England - LB Channing Crowder, Florida

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2.33 Baltimore (from San Francisco) - OT Kahlif Barnes, Washington
2.34 Cleveland - QB Jason Campbell, Auburn
2.35 Philadelphia (from Miami) - WR/QB Matt Jones, Arkansas
2.36 Tampa Bay - C/G David Baas, Michigan
2.37 Tennessee - CB Marlin Jackson, Michigan
2.38 Oakland - LB Darryl Blackstock, Virginia
2.39 Baltimore (from Chicago) - G Elton Brown, Virginia
2.40 New Orleans (from Washington) - LB Kevin Burnett, Tennessee
2.41 Detroit - S Brodney Pool, Oklahoma
2.42 Dallas - WR Chris Henry, West Virginia
2.43 N.Y. Jets (from N.Y. Giants) - CB Justin Miller, Clemson
2.44 Arizona - RB Ciatrick Fason, Florida
2.45 Carolina - S/LB Ernest Shazor, Michigan
2.46 Kansas City - CB Brandon Browner, Oregon St.
2.47 Houston - DE Justin Tuck, Notre Dame
2.48 Cincinnati - DT Louis Castillo, Northwestern
2.49 Minnesota - K Mike Nugent, Ohio St.
2.50 Arizona (from St. Louis) - CB Corey Webster, LSU
2.51 Seattle (from Green Bay from New Orleans) - LB Odell Thurman, Georgia
2.52 Minnesota (from Jacksonville) - WR Reggie Brown, Georgia
2.53 Chicago (from Baltimore) - RB Marion Barber III, Minnesota
2.54 Green Bay (from Seattle) - S Josh Bullocks, Nebraska
2.55 Buffalo - C Chris Spencer, Ole Miss
2.56 Denver - CB Bryant McFadden, Florida St.
2.57 N.Y. Giants (from N.Y. Jets) - DT Mike Patterson, USC
2.58 Green Bay - LB Michael Boley, Southern Miss.
2.59 Atlanta - CB Antonio Perkins, Oklahoma
2.60 Indianapolis - LB Robert McCune, Louisville
2.61 San Diego - S Gerald Sensabaugh, North Carolina
2.62 Pittsburgh - WR Terrence Murphy, Texas A&M
2.63 Jacksonville ( from Minnesota from Philadelphia) - CB Stanley Wilson, Stanford
2.64 Pittsburgh (from New England) - TE Alex Smith, Stanford

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3.65 Baltimore (from San Francisco) - S Donte Nicholson, Oklahoma
3.66 St. Louis (from Miami) - DE George Gause, South Carolina
3.67 Cleveland - WR Vincent Jackson, Northern Colorado
3.68 Tennessee - QB Adrian McPherson, Indiana
3.69 Oakland - G/T Marcus Johnson, Ole Miss
3.70 Miami (from Chicago) - WR Jerome Mathis, Hampton
3.71 Tampa Bay - WR Fred Gibson, Georgia
3.72 Detroit - QB Charlie Frye, Akron
3.73 Houston (from Dallas) - WR Courtney Roby, Indiana
3.74 N.Y. Giants - RB Eric Shelton, Louisville
3.75 St. Louis (from Arizona) - WR Roscoe Parrish, Miami
3.76 Washington - WR J.R. Russell, Louisville
3.77 Philadelphia (from Kansas City) - LB Rian Wallace, Temple
3.78 Houston - C Ben Wilkerson, LSU
3.79 Carolina - RB JJ Arrington, California, Berkley
3.80 Minnesota - G Evan Mathis, Alabama
3.81 St. Louis - CB Ronald Bartell Jr., Howard
3.82 New Orleans - DT CJ Mosely, Missouri
3.83 Cincinnati - C Jason Brown, North Carolina
3.84 Chicago (from Baltimore) - C Richie Incognito, Nebraska
3.85 Seattle - DE Chris Canty, Virginia
3.86 Buffalo - CB Darrent Williams, Oklahoma State
3.87 Jacksonville - WR Mark Bradley, Oklahoma
3.88 N.Y. Giants (from N.Y. Jets) - CB Eric Green, Virginia Tech
3.89 Green Bay - DE Jovan Haye, Vanderbilt
3.90 Atlanta - DT Johnathan Babineaux, Iowa
3.91 Tampa Bay (from San Diego) - S Oshiomogho Atogwe, Stanford
3.92 Indianapolis - RB Ryan Moates, Louisiana Tech
3.93 Pittsburgh - WR Craphonso Thorpe, Florida State
3.94 Philadelphia - RB Maurice Clarett, Ohio State
3.95 St. Louis (from Arizona from New England) - DT Atiyyah Ellison, Missouri
3.96 Tennessee (Compensatory Selection) - OT Chris Colmer, NC State
3.97 Denver (Compensatory Selection) - S Vincent Fuller, Virginia Tech
3.98 Green Bay (Compensatory Selection) - LB Lance Mitchell, Oklahoma
3.99 Kansas City (Compensatory Selection) - LB Adam Seward, UNLV
3.100 New England (Compensatory Selection) - LB Kirk Morrison, San Diego State
3.101 Denver (Compensatory Selection) - G Chris Kemoeatu, Utah

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4.102 San Francisco - RB Vernand Morency, Oklahoma State
4.103 Cleveland - DT Ronald Fields, Mississippi State
4.104 Miami - OT Wesley Britt, Alabama
4.105 Oakland - ILB Marcus Lawrence, South Carolina
4.106 Chicago - TE Kevin Everett, Miami
4.107 Tampa Bay - LB Lofa Tatupu, USC
4.108 Tennessee - WR Brandon Jones, Oklahoma
4.109 Dallas - S James Bulter, Georgia Tech
4.110 N.Y. Giants - T Michael Munoz, Tennessee
4.111 Arizona - LB Mike Goolsby, Notre Dame
4.112 Washington - DE James Davis, Virginia Tech
4.113 Detroit - DE Bill Swancutt, Oregon State
4.114 Houston - S Junior Rosegreen, Auburn
4.115 Carolina - T Jeremy Parquet, Southern Miss
4.116 Kansas City - QB Andrew Walter, Arizona State
4.117 St. Louis - S Sean Considine, Iowa
4.118 New Orleans - S Andre Maddox, NC State
4.119 Cincinnati - TE Joel Dreesen, Colorado State
4.120 Jacksonville (via Min) - T Ray Willis, Florida State
4.121 Seattle - G Logan Mankins, Fresno State
4.122 Buffalo - RB Frank Gore, Miami
4.123 Jacksonville - RB Cedric Houston, Tennessee
4.124 Baltimore - CB Carl Paymah, Washington State
4.125 Seattle (via GB) - RB Kay-Jay Harris, West Virginia
4.126 Seattle (from Den) - LB Alfred Fincher, Connecticutt
4.127 N.Y. Jets - DT Darrell Shropshire, South Carolina
4.128 Atlanta - OL Pete McMahon, Iowa
4.129 Indianapolis - DT Sione Pouha, Utah
4.130 San Diego - G Scott Young, Brigham Young
4.131 Pittsburgh - OG/OT C.J. Brooks, Maryland
4.132 Philadelphia - DT Anthony Bryant, Alabama
4.133 New England - QB David Greene, Georgia
4.134 St. Louis (Comp) - C Eric Ghiacuic, Central Michigan
4.135 Indianapolis (Comp) - DE Tyler King, Connecticutt
4.136 Tennessee (Comp) - OLB/DE Derek Wake, Penn State

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 07:55 AM
Link to cmh's explanation of what's going on: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=113105

I will update this thread with picks as they are made available. Feel free to begin to list players you would like to see targeted with the 1st rounder. I will start a poll in another thread when we reach our pick.

Link to FFToday thread: http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=116056

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 10:26 AM
Miami has selected Ronnie Brown.

TRR
03-29-2005, 10:29 AM
Trade 2nd for Surtain...

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 10:32 AM
Rule #1 - Players and future picks not tradeable. Sorry.

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 12:55 PM
Browns select - LB Derrick Johnson, Texas

Bears select - WR Mike Williams, USC

Doesn't look like we will get to our pick today unless things really pick up.

Rain Man
03-29-2005, 12:56 PM
Which team are we picking for again?

beavis
03-29-2005, 01:02 PM
Which team are we picking for again?
"The Oakland Raiders select, Maurice Clarette"

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 01:34 PM
Buccaneers select - RB Carnell "Cadillac" Williams, AUB

Picking up steam...

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 01:37 PM
Seems unlikely that the Vikings will take a QB... This mock is looking like a Cardinal fan's wet dream.

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 02:16 PM
Titans select - RB Cedric Benson, Texas

Coogs
03-29-2005, 02:23 PM
I know everybody here is screaming for defense for the Chiefs, but what happens if Smith or Rogers keep falling down the draft board like this on draft day? With Green and Collins both being older, I would love a QBOTF candidate like either one of these two.

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 02:30 PM
The Vikings select - CB Adam "Pac-man" Jones, West Virginia

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 02:34 PM
I know everybody here is screaming for defense for the Chiefs, but what happens if Smith or Rogers keep falling down the draft board like this on draft day? With Green and Collins both being older, I would love a QBOTF candidate like either one of these two.

I doubt they will both slide this far but, even if they do, they will not get past Arizona, Washington, Detroit, and Dallas. All of these teams need an upgrade at QB. They would have to be thrilled if the draft goes this way.

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 02:35 PM
The Cardinals select - QB Alex Smith, Utah

Coogs
03-29-2005, 02:38 PM
I doubt they will both slide this far but, even if they do, they will not get past Arizona, Washington, Detroit, and Dallas. All of these teams need an upgrade at QB. They would have to be thrilled if the draft goes this way.

I agree, but you never know, as those teams have other needs as well. Dallas, IMO, would be the biggest chance of the 3 teams past Arizona to select Rogers.

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 02:48 PM
The Redskins select - CB Antrelle Rolle, Miami

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 02:51 PM
I agree, but you never know, as those teams have other needs as well. Dallas, IMO, would be the biggest chance of the 3 teams past Arizona to select Rogers.

True, they all have needs but, they all also have shaky QB situations. Evidently the Washington GM doesn't feel that QB is as pressing a need as CB.

Rain Man
03-29-2005, 03:51 PM
When will it be our turn?


Not that it matters. The only three people I've heard of have already been drafted.

Rain Man
03-29-2005, 03:53 PM
True, they all have needs but, they all also have shaky QB situations. Evidently the Washington GM doesn't feel that QB is as pressing a need as CB.


That's...perplexing.

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 04:04 PM
The Lions select - OT Alex Barron, Florida State

The Cowboys select - DE Shawne Merriman, Maryland

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 04:08 PM
When will it be our turn?


Not that it matters. The only three people I've heard of have already been drafted.

It all depends on how quick the rest of the Homers get their picks in. We're only 3 picks away now.

Rain Man
03-29-2005, 04:19 PM
Can someone post the top ten or so prospects still on the board now? Or will you be doing a poll?

philfree
03-29-2005, 04:36 PM
So all the DEs cept Merriman is left on the board as well as CB Carlos Rogers and FS/OLB Thomas Davis. My draft board is headed by Rogers, Merriman and Davis if we pick with the 15th selection. It's hard to pick when our CB situation is unresolved so without a Law or Surtain we hve to pick Carlos Rogers if he's still there. We have no choice.


PhilFree :arrow:

Rain Man
03-29-2005, 05:15 PM
Marty's 10 minutes are up. Just give him a guard and let's move on.

Coogs
03-29-2005, 06:04 PM
It really looks like Rodgers, QB from Cal, is going to be there at #15. If this is the case, I take Rodgers, and sign Law and get defense with the next few rounds of the draft.

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 06:10 PM
The Chargers select - DE Shaun Cody, USC

Kyle401
03-29-2005, 06:30 PM
Sorry guys, I had to leave for a few hours. I only have a few minutes. It looks like the draft is basically done for the night so we will pick it up in the morning.

Some of the top players still available:

CB Carlos Rogers, Auburn
QB Aaron Rodgers, Cal
DE Justin Tuck, Notre Dame
DE Marcus Spears, LSU
SS/OLB Thomas Davis, Georgia
WR Mark Clayton, OK
TE Heath Miller, Virginia
OT Jammal Brown, OK
CB Justin Miller, Clemson
DE Erasmus James, Wisconsin
DT Antajj Hawthorne, Wisconsin
LB Channing Crowder, Florida
LB Kevin Burnett, Tennessee
DE David Pollack, Georgia

I started a poll before Houston and Carolina made their picks. We will only have 2-3 hours max to make the selection once Houston and Carolina pick so if they take our player we will go to the next one on the list. We will probably have to make our selection no later than 10:00 a.m. tommorrow morning.

Uncle_Ted
03-29-2005, 06:43 PM
I started a poll before Houston and Carolina made their picks. We will only have 2-3 hours max to make the selection once Houston and Carolina pick so if they take our player we will go to the next one on the list.

Yikes don't do it that way! If everyone wants Carlos Rogers for example, but he's gone, then we might get someone that only 2 or 3 people want.

Maybe let everyone vote for 3 choices in the poll? Still not perfect but better ...

philfree
03-29-2005, 06:52 PM
Yikes don't do it that way! If everyone wants Carlos Rogers for example, but he's gone, then we might get someone that only 2 or 3 people want.

Maybe let everyone vote for 3 choices in the poll? Still not perfect but better ...

That's good think, Unc!

PhilFree :arrow:

cmh6476
03-29-2005, 07:10 PM
That's good think, Unc!

PhilFree :arrow:
i think there's enough activity during the day all he'd have to do is start a new poll and it wouldnt take long to get enough hits that you could make a decision :thumb:

I'm on the road again tomorrow Kyle, so go ahead and make the selection for us. I should be fine after that and can finish up our last two picks. Thanks for your help! :thumb:

htismaqe
03-29-2005, 07:49 PM
The Vikings select - CB Adam "Pac-man" Jones, West Virginia

There's absolutely no chance of this happening.

They've spent nearly $25M in signing bonuses on Winfield and Smoot in the last 2 years. Both of them are very young.

No way do they take a CB.

htismaqe
03-29-2005, 07:57 PM
The Chargers select - DE Shaun Cody, USC

This makes no sense, unless they think the Chargers plan to use Cody at OLB. At 254 lbs. he'll struggle as a 3-4 DE.

Besides, he'll last late into the 1st. Taking him here is a big reach when a guy like Marcus Spears (who fits the 3-4 DE role perfectly) still on the board...

Coogs
03-30-2005, 06:00 AM
If Aaron Rodgers falls to us of draft day, I sure hope we take him. I watched him play 3 or 4 times this year, a wouldn't mind at all if he wound up being our QBOTF.

Get Law or Surtain to complete the defense this season, and build for the future in the draft.

milkman
03-30-2005, 06:08 AM
This makes no sense, unless they think the Chargers plan to use Cody at OLB. At 254 lbs. he'll struggle as a 3-4 DE.

Besides, he'll last late into the 1st. Taking him here is a big reach when a guy like Marcus Spears (who fits the 3-4 DE role perfectly) still on the board...

Are you thinking of Dan Cody OK.
Shaun Cody is the DT from USC that weighs in at about 290.

If CB and OLB weren't such a great need for the Chiefs, I'd love to have this guy suit up at DE.

This would be a great pick for the Bolts.

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 06:34 AM
The Texans select - DE Marcus Spears, LSU

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 07:03 AM
The Panthers select - QB Aaron Rodgers, California

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 08:20 AM
In a strange turn of events the Panthers have changed their pick to WR Troy Williamson, S. Carolina.

Draft Commissioner rejected Rodgers pick because the Panthers Homer only selected him with the intention of trading him for later picks. He wanted to move down but couldn't find a trade partner.

htismaqe
03-30-2005, 08:37 AM
Are you thinking of Dan Cody OK.
Shaun Cody is the DT from USC that weighs in at about 290.

If CB and OLB weren't such a great need for the Chiefs, I'd love to have this guy suit up at DE.

This would be a great pick for the Bolts.

I saw DE and Cody and thought "Dan".

Shaun Cody isn't a DE, although he might play there for the Bolts.

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 08:40 AM
The Chiefs select - CB Carlos Rogers, Auburn

This one's for you Laz :)

Spicy McHaggis
03-30-2005, 09:40 AM
I saw DE and Cody and thought "Dan".

Shaun Cody isn't a DE, although he might play there for the Bolts.

Yeah I thought Shaun played DT for USC. I guess the pick makes sense with the 3-4 scheme. Olshansky and Cody would make good bookends for some years to come.

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 10:09 AM
Yeah I thought Shaun played DT for USC. I guess the pick makes sense with the 3-4 scheme. Olshansky and Cody would make good bookends for some years to come.

Shaun did play DT in college but the Chargers homer has him pegged as a DE in their defense. Sorry for the confusion.

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 10:10 AM
The Saints select SS/OLB Thomas Davis, Georgia

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 10:18 AM
What position would you guys most like to address in the 2nd round? I know from Laz's thread yesterday, he would like to get Blackstock in the 2nd. What does everyone else think?

htismaqe
03-30-2005, 11:37 AM
What position would you guys most like to address in the 2nd round? I know from Laz's thread yesterday, he would like to get Blackstock in the 2nd. What does everyone else think?

It depends on who is available.

It also depends on whether or not we get Surtain or Law.

I'm not high on Blackstock, if we're going to draft for a pass rush, I would rather go DE than OLB. Blackstock is the kind of guy that might only be on the field once or twice a series, kinda like Gary Stills.

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 12:23 PM
It depends on who is available.

It also depends on whether or not we get Surtain or Law.

I'm not high on Blackstock, if we're going to draft for a pass rush, I would rather go DE than OLB. Blackstock is the kind of guy that might only be on the field once or twice a series, kinda like Gary Stills.

If we didn't have either Law or Surtain on draft day would you draft a second CB in the 2nd?

I never have seen Blackstock play, but from all that I have read, he is a good football player.

Blackstock is an excellent athelte who plays the game with a great deal of explosiveness. He has great size; good height and a good build for the position. He has good ability as an edge rusher. He shows good explosiveness off the ball and good upfield speed. He is above average with his hands and does a good job of getting around blocks and to the quarterback. In the run game, he shows the same awareness of oncoming blocks and does a good job of not allowing blockers to lock onto him. He is good in pursuit, showing good straight line speed. He is disciplined and will stay at home on misdirection plays. One thing Blackstock does well is play within himself. He is very under control and doesn't often overrun plays or get caught out of position while making tackles. He does need to work on his coverage ability though. He is a bit stiff changing directions in coverage and doesn't show great awareness or instincts in zones.Blackstock will be a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 strongside candidate at the next level. He has a great combination of size and speed for the position and is a great edge rusher. He could also play as a defensive end on obvious passing downs. Blackstock should be a late 1st/early 2nd round choice.

He's not a good cover guy but I don't think that he is comparable to Stills. Stills is only a decent pass rusher. He doen't play the run very well and he is often caught out of position and overrunning plays in the backfield.

buddha
03-30-2005, 12:28 PM
Blackstock is much more physical than Stills from what I've seen of him. If we get the Auburn CB in the first round, I would be pleased.

htismaqe
03-30-2005, 01:02 PM
If we didn't get Law or Surtain, I would take a guy like Rogers in the 1st and STILL take a CB...

As for Blackstock, I'm not suggesting he's equal in talent to Stills. However, what I've seen of Blackstock is that he can't cover a TE and isn't real reactive vs. the run. It doesn't matter how talented he is, if he only sees 10 snaps a game he's basically Gary Stills.

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 01:03 PM
The Bengals select - DE Erasmus James, Wisconsin

The Eagles (from Vikings) select - OT Jammal Brown, Oklahoma
The Vikings give
1.18
The Eagles give
1.31
2.63

The Rams select - OT Adam Terry, Syracuse

whoman69
03-30-2005, 01:33 PM
I would draft CB in the first even if we got Surtain or Law. First off, if its Law, then the pick is insurance. Even without that, we still need a nickle back and they are on the field in increasing numbers with all the 3 and 4 receiver sets employed.

htismaqe
03-30-2005, 02:07 PM
I would draft CB in the first even if we got Surtain or Law. First off, if its Law, then the pick is insurance. Even without that, we still need a nickle back and they are on the field in increasing numbers with all the 3 and 4 receiver sets employed.

Yeah, I guess I'm not making myself clear.

If we get Law or Surtain I would draft a CB (Rogers) in round 1, and look DE/WSLB/WR in the 2nd.

If we don't get Law or Surtain I would draft a CB (Rogers) in round 1 AND draft a CB in round 2.

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 02:22 PM
The Cowboys select - DE Dan Cody, Oklahoma

The Jaguars select - DE David Pollack, Georgia

The 49er's (from Baltimore) select - QB Aaron Rodgers, California
49er's give
2.33
3.65
Ravens give
1.22

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 04:08 PM
The Seahawks select - DT Travis Johnson, Florida St.

Kyle401
03-30-2005, 04:31 PM
The Packers select - DT Anttaj Hawthorne, Wisconsin

philfree
03-30-2005, 04:37 PM
Yeah, I guess I'm not making myself clear.

If we get Law or Surtain I would draft a CB (Rogers) in round 1, and look DE/WSLB/WR in the 2nd.

If we don't get Law or Surtain I would draft a CB (Rogers) in round 1 AND draft a CB in round 2.

Perxactly. IMO we have a chance to fix our secondary this year but just adding one FA ain't gonna do it. A FA plus a 1st round CB (if he pans out) will go a long way in fixing our secondary. To me when you have a position that needs "fixing" adding one player is just a band-aid and leaves you one injury away from stink. A FA vet and a 1st round pick is a cure. We need a pound of cure not a 1/2 gram of duff.

PhilFree :arrow:

milkman
03-30-2005, 04:52 PM
If we didn't get Law or Surtain, I would take a guy like Rogers in the 1st and STILL take a CB...

As for Blackstock, I'm not suggesting he's equal in talent to Stills. However, what I've seen of Blackstock is that he can't cover a TE and isn't real reactive vs. the run. It doesn't matter how talented he is, if he only sees 10 snaps a game he's basically Gary Stills.

First, to go back to your thoughts on Shaun Cody, he is being projected as DE in the draft, even in a 4-3.
He's big, strong, fast and quick.
He's one of the few guys that I've seen play, and he's going to be big time runstuffing/pass rush DE.

As for Blackstock, every scouting report I've read on him says that he has improved against the run each year in college, becoming a sloid run defender by last season.

They say his only real weakness is his pass coverage skills, and while they haven't improved as much as his run defense, they have, and he is expected to continue to improve because he's a film study-holic, and a hard worker.

milkman
03-30-2005, 04:55 PM
Perxactly. IMO we have a chance to fix our secondary this year but just adding one FA ain't gonna do it. A FA plus a 1st round CB (if he pans out) will go a long way in fixing our secondary. To me when you have a position that needs "fixing" adding one player is just a band-aid and leaves you one injury away from stink. A FA vet and a 1st round pick is a cure. We need a pound of cure not a 1/2 gram of duff.

PhilFree :arrow:

And just adding Bell to the LB corps is a band-aid.
As bad as the secondary is, the LBers are equally as bad.

We need to add another CB in FA, or via trade, and in the draft.
But we need to add another LB in FA and in the draft as badly.

philfree
03-30-2005, 05:05 PM
And just adding Bell to the LB corps is a band-aid.
As bad as the secondary is, the LBers are equally as bad.

We need to add another CB in FA, or via trade, and in the draft.
But we need to add another LB in FA and in the draft as badly.

I can't disagree with that but I think Fujita will make a comeback of sorts with bell in the middle. Also there's a better lot of CBs in this draft then there are LBs. We have the chance to fix the CBs so IMO we need to make CB hay while the sun is shinning.


PhilFree :arrow:

milkman
03-30-2005, 05:25 PM
I can't disagree with that but I think Fujita will make a comeback of sorts with bell in the middle. Also there's a better lot of CBs in this draft then there are LBs. We have the chance to fix the CBs so IMO we need to make CB hay while the sun is shinning.


PhilFree :arrow:

I am a proponent of trading down, using your draft day trade scenario with the Eagles.
At 31, I think we have a real shot at Marlin Jackson, and at 35, I think we have a real shot at Blackstock, or if you prefer, Burnett.

Our 2nd round pick to Miami would complete the day.

New starters on D, Bell, Blackstock, Surtain and Knight, with Jackson as the nickel.

That sounds like a lot of fixes in one offseason.

philfree
03-30-2005, 06:01 PM
I am a proponent of trading down, using your draft day trade scenario with the Eagles.
At 31, I think we have a real shot at Marlin Jackson, and at 35, I think we have a real shot at Blackstock, or if you prefer, Burnett.

Our 2nd round pick to Miami would complete the day.

New starters on D, Bell, Blackstock, Surtain and Knight, with Jackson as the nickel.

That sounds like a lot of fixes in one offseason.

I don't have a problem with that plan though I have seen where some folks have Marlin moving to FS in the NFL. I think that was from a speed issue but I just looked and he ran a 4.48 at his pro day work which is better then his combine time. I like Jackson so I was hoping he'd run well. To me we need to be careful in our attempt to fix everything that we end up not fixing anything. Who plays WLB?

PhilFree :arrow:

Ebolapox
03-30-2005, 06:05 PM
unfortunately, there's no poll, you lameass terrif*cker

-EB-

milkman
03-30-2005, 06:10 PM
I don't have a problem with that plan though I have seen where some folks have Marlin moving to FS in the NFL. I think that was from a speed issue but I just looked and he ran a 4.48 at his pro day work which is better then his combine time. I like Jackson so I was hoping he'd run well. To me we need to be careful in our attempt to fix everything that we end up not fixing anything. Who plays WLB?

PhilFree :arrow:

Blackstock at the Will, Fujita at Sam.

And I've seen all that talk about Jackson to FS, which doesn't make any sense, since he excelled at CB in school, but struggled at FS when he ws moved there in his junior season.

philfree
03-30-2005, 06:24 PM
Blackstock at the Will, Fujita at Sam.

And I've seen all that talk about Jackson to FS, which doesn't make any sense, since he excelled at CB in school, but struggled at FS when he ws moved there in his junior season.

Blackstock at Will huh :hmmm: O-tay I read a report comparing him to LT which is kinda of exciting. And I hear what you're saying about Jackson. Like I said I think the FS talk was more of a speed issue in workouts then performance on the field. When I watched him play he played well and he does have the size to play bump so....yeah I like him. I like Corey Webster too even though he's kinda fallen from grace. He was injured this year but played and he didn't fair as well and I think he was still not 100% at the Sr Bowl and he showed poorly. If he returns to form he could be a steal if he keeps slipping. I can't ignore his 14 INTs he had in his Soph and Jr years.


PhilFree :arrow:

milkman
03-30-2005, 06:32 PM
Blackstock at Will huh :hmmm: O-tay I read a report comparing him to Lawrence Taylor which is kinda of exciting. And I hear what you're saying about Jackson. Like I said I think the FS talk was more of a speed issue in workouts then performance on the field. When I watched him play he played well and he does have the size to play bump so....yeah I like him. I like Corey Webster too even though he's kinda fallen from grace. He was injured this year but played and he didn't fair as well and I think he was still not 100% at the Sr Bowl and he showed poorly. If he returns to form he could be a steal if he keeps slipping. I can't ignore his 14 INTs he had in his Soph and Jr years.


PhilFree :arrow:

Of the 2, Jackson or Webster, everything I've read seems to indicate Jackson is more ready to come in and play now.

That's what we need.

If we stay at 15, I expect Carlos Rogers will be our pick, though.

philfree
03-30-2005, 06:45 PM
Of the 2, Jackson or Webster, everything I've read seems to indicate Jackson is more ready to come in and play now.

That's what we need.

If we stay at 15, I expect Carlos Rogers will be our pick, though.

I believe that's right. I do think Webster if 100% could contribute as a rookie though. I haven't seen his pro day 40 time though. He didn't run on the 1st LSU pro day and I'm not sure they've had their 2nd set of work outs. If they did if was in the last couple of days. IMO Jackson and Webster are both being a little overlooked while some rawer talent is stealing the limelight because of their speed and athletic ability. Upside I guess is the proper term.


PhilFree :arrow:

htismaqe
03-30-2005, 07:49 PM
First, to go back to your thoughts on Shaun Cody, he is being projected as DE in the draft, even in a 4-3.
He's big, strong, fast and quick.
He's one of the few guys that I've seen play, and he's going to be big time runstuffing/pass rush DE.

As for Blackstock, every scouting report I've read on him says that he has improved against the run each year in college, becoming a sloid run defender by last season.

They say his only real weakness is his pass coverage skills, and while they haven't improved as much as his run defense, they have, and he is expected to continue to improve because he's a film study-holic, and a hard worker.

At 290, he has tons of potential to be a good DE, particularly in a 3-4.

Everything I've read on Blackstock is that he's pretty one-dimnesional and took great advantage of the fact that UVA was one of a handful of schools in D-1 that run a 3-4. The one time I saw him play he didn't drop back in coverage once, he purely rushed the passer.

He's NOT a Will. We need guys who can play right away, not more projects. Putting Blackstock at WSLB would be a big project.

htismaqe
03-30-2005, 07:50 PM
Blackstock at the Will, Fujita at Sam.

And I've seen all that talk about Jackson to FS, which doesn't make any sense, since he excelled at CB in school, but struggled at FS when he ws moved there in his junior season.

Jackson will be a CB in the NFL, and my bet is that he'll be a damn good one.

I watched the guy play at Meecheegan and he's exactly what we need - ready to play Day 1.

philfree
03-30-2005, 08:05 PM
At 290, he has tons of potential to be a good DE, particularly in a 3-4.

Everything I've read on Blackstock is that he's pretty one-dimnesional and took great advantage of the fact that UVA was one of a handful of schools in D-1 that run a 3-4. The one time I saw him play he didn't drop back in coverage once, he purely rushed the passer.

He's NOT a Will. We need guys who can play right away, not more projects. Putting Blackstock at WSLB would be a big project.

I don't think Blackstock is just a pass rusher though that's the strongest part of his game. To me he's a down hill player. IMO he's a SLB in a 4-3 and I've read nothing that says he's a liability against the run. I read an interview of his and he is extremely confident that he can play in any scheme. FWIW

PhilFree :arrow:

htismaqe
03-30-2005, 08:16 PM
This is the Blackstock scouting report from NFL Draft Countdown. Other reports I've read sound basically the same.

Strengths: Has good size...Tall and rangy frame...Does an excellent job at getting after the quarterback and is a great pass rusher...Good quickness and has a burst...Excellent athletic ability...Very productive.
Weaknesses: A liability versus the run...Not a natural in coverage...Lacks fluid hips...Doesn't change direction well...Plays in a 3-4 defense that is perfectly tailored to his skills and may need to be in a similar scheme in the pros.
Notes: Overshadowed by Ahmad Brooks and Kai Parham at times...Would be a perfect fit at outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme...A little overrated due to his pass rush numbers and is basically still a raw, one-trick pony at this point.


FYI, they are pretty accurate with their mocks and they have him going 31st in the FIRST round to Philly.

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 06:50 AM
The donkeys select - WR Roddy White, UAB

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 06:58 AM
unfortunately, there's no poll, you lameass terrif*cker

-EB-

I will start a poll in another thread when we reach our pick.

Poll (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=113162)

Unfortunately you are about 10 hours too late, jeenyus.

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 07:54 AM
About my pick, I am not really thrilled about Roddy White, but since all the DBs are gone and we filled our defensive line up with that 32nd against the run, 27th in sacks Browns front 4, WR in my opinon is our next biggest need. White, has a good upside, but his value now is fairly low. I dont see him having a major impact this year. Also, everything i hear about the guy, is not impressive, personality wise. Kind of a slacker, who doesnt give full effort all of the time. Not my kind of guy, but should fit in well with Courtney Brown and Gerrard Warren.

ROFL

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 08:22 AM
The Jets select - TE Heath Miller, Virginia

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 09:27 AM
The Falcons select - WR Mark Clayton, Oklahoma

The Chargers select - OLB/DE Matt Roth, Iowa

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 09:31 AM
So the Chargers took a 290-pound DT with hopes of moving him to DE and then took a 270-pound DE with hopes of moving him to OLB?

This looks awfully dumb to me, but that being said, I hope Matt Roth doesn't go to an AFC West team unless it's the Chiefs. It's bad enough watching Gallery play for the Raiders...

Brock
03-31-2005, 09:33 AM
That is one messed up draft.

philfree
03-31-2005, 11:14 AM
This is the Blackstock scouting report from NFL Draft Countdown. Other reports I've read sound basically the same.

Strengths: Has good size...Tall and rangy frame...Does an excellent job at getting after the quarterback and is a great pass rusher...Good quickness and has a burst...Excellent athletic ability...Very productive.
Weaknesses: A liability versus the run...Not a natural in coverage...Lacks fluid hips...Doesn't change direction well...Plays in a 3-4 defense that is perfectly tailored to his skills and may need to be in a similar scheme in the pros.
Notes: Overshadowed by Ahmad Brooks and Kai Parham at times...Would be a perfect fit at outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme...A little overrated due to his pass rush numbers and is basically still a raw, one-trick pony at this point.


FYI, they are pretty accurate with their mocks and they have him going 31st in the FIRST round to Philly.

I'm reading a premium service that I suscribed to and it states Blackstock
has been improving his play against the run and is strong in chasing down RBs in the backfield. Says his "weakness" is pass coverage. Suonds like to me he plays the way Gun likes his defense to play. In the other teams backfield. I'd curious as to when the profile you used was written. Oh and by the way don't we need to get more sacks from our LBs?

PhilFree:arrow:

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 11:26 AM
So the Chargers took a 290-pound DT with hopes of moving him to DE and then took a 270-pound DE with hopes of moving him to OLB?

This looks awfully dumb to me, but that being said, I hope Matt Roth doesn't go to an AFC West team unless it's the Chiefs. It's bad enough watching Gallery play for the Raiders...

Aren't the Chargers moving to a 3-4? The 3-4 uses big ends (see R. Seymour 6'6" 310 lbs) and big OLB (see W. McGinest 6'-5" 270 lbs).

Draft Showcase on Shaun Cody:

Cody is a versatile lineman who can play both inside and outside. He is very aggressive and plays the game with intensity. Cody has a quick first step off the ball. He gets good penetration and makes a lot of plays in the opposing backfield. He does a great job of using his hands to get off blocks, and has a variety of different moves to get to the QB. Cody also shows good awareness and stays home and makes plays on screens and draws. He has decent speed in pursuit and closes quickly on ball carriers. While he can play both DT and DE, he is at this point, a tweener. As an end, Cody lacks the pure speed coming off the edge and as a tackle, he lacks prototypical size and strength. He fits best as a 3-4 DE, but if he plays in a 4-3, his best bet is to bulk up and stay inside. He had an ACL injury as a sophomore but came back strong and has shown no ill effects of the injury. He has also blocked 4 field goals in his career.

Also Roth played a little LB in college before switching to DE.

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 11:40 AM
The Colts select - CB Fabian Washington, Nebraska

philfree
03-31-2005, 11:49 AM
I'm reading a premium service that I suscribed to and it states Blackstock
has been improving his play against the run and is strong in chasing down RBs in the backfield. Says his "weakness" is pass coverage. Suonds like to me he plays the way Gun likes his defense to play. In the other teams backfield. I'd curious as to when the profile you used was written. Oh and by the way don't we need to get more sacks from our LBs?

PhilFree:arrow:

Those guys got Blackstock running as 4.52 40 so I ain't putting much stock in them. He ran a 4.71 at the combine according to my source. Scouts,inc says he needs to improve when stacking against the run but they also echo what I posted. He'sa downhill in the the backfield type of player who is good in pursuit and an excllent pass rusher.

PhilFree:arrow:

Coogs
03-31-2005, 11:55 AM
All I can remember about Virginia from this past season is their defense getting torched by Fresno State in their bowl game. For supposedly having some of the best LB's in college they looked very much like what we already have. Granted, that was just 1 game, but it wasn't much to see.

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 12:10 PM
Does anyone have any firsthand knowlege of Robert McCune, Louisville?

Combine: 6'0", 245 lb, 34 reps, 4.50 40, pulled a hamstring in his positional drills.

McCune is a solid, dependable player who has been a leader on the Cardinal defense. He is an instinctive player who does a good job of finding the ball and getting to it. He has good sideline to sideline speed and decent change of direction skills. He lacks height but is well built and has good strength. When having to take on blockers, McCune tends to struggle. He is at his best when allowed to run to the ball. He does a good job of getting through traffic and avoiding blockers, but doesn't show the strength or ability with his hands to get away from blockers. When he gets to the ball, McCune is a very dependable tackler who is capable of making some big hits. On the blitz, he has pretty good straight line speed and explosion, but could do a better job with his timing. In coverage, McCune shows good awareness and enough agility to make plays. He can run with tight ends and backs, and also displays good awareness in zone.

He played the middle in college but, with his coverage ability and speed, could he make the transition to the outside? :shrug:

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 12:11 PM
I'm reading a premium service that I suscribed to and it states Blackstock
has been improving his play against the run and is strong in chasing down RBs in the backfield. Says his "weakness" is pass coverage. Suonds like to me he plays the way Gun likes his defense to play. In the other teams backfield. I'd curious as to when the profile you used was written. Oh and by the way don't we need to get more sacks from our LBs?

PhilFree:arrow:

Personally, I would prefer to see more sacks from our front 4 and more passes defensed and tackles by our LB's.

Of course, I've been spoiled rotten and converted to a base zone fan (the scheme that Carolina runs) by watching the Iowa Hawkeyes...

philfree
03-31-2005, 12:12 PM
All I can remember about Virginia from this past season is their defense getting torched by Fresno State in their bowl game. For supposedly having some of the best LB's in college they looked very much like what we already have. Granted, that was just 1 game, but it wasn't much to see.

I did read where Blackstock really got handled in that game by an o lineman.


PhilFree :arrow:

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 12:13 PM
Aren't the Chargers moving to a 3-4? The 3-4 uses big ends (see R. Seymour 6'6" 310 lbs) and big OLB (see W. McGinest 6'-5" 270 lbs).

Draft Showcase on Shaun Cody:

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Also Roth played a little LB in college before switching to DE.

The Chargers DC under Marty is Wade Phillips. They've run a 3-4 ever since he got there.

And yes, Roth came to Iowa as a LB...

Coogs
03-31-2005, 12:13 PM
That is one messed up draft.

You got that right.

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 01:53 PM
The Steelers select - LB Barrett Ruud, Nebraska

The Vikings select - DE Demarcus Ware, Troy

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 01:58 PM
The Patriots select - LB Channing Crowder, Florida

The Ravens select - OT Kahlif Barnes, Washington

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 02:00 PM
The Patriots select - LB Channing Crowder, Miami

The Ravens select - OT Kahlif Barnes, Washington

Crowder played at Florida.

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 02:01 PM
Crowder played at Florida.

Realized that when I was editing the top. Fixed, Thanks. :thumb:

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 02:55 PM
The Browns select - QB Jason Campbell, Auburn

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 03:54 PM
The Eagles select - WR/QB Matt Jones, Arkansas

DenverChief
03-31-2005, 04:08 PM
1.7 Minnesota (from Oakland) - CB Adam "Pac-man" Jones, West Virginia

Why would Minnesota draft Jones when they just signed Smoot?

Rain Man
03-31-2005, 04:10 PM
I wish I recognized the players from this point out. I've been working a lot, and haven't had a chance to buy any of the draft magazines.

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 04:22 PM
Why would Minnesota draft Jones when they just signed Smoot?

Absolutely horrible start of the draft for the Vikings, they're forced to take the BPA. Pac Man is a play maker, and there's a few possibilities for getting him more playing time (moving Winfield to saftey if Chavous leaves, moving Brian Williams to FS if Sharper gets hurt, etc). Depth is also needed at CB.

There was also some talk that, in this scenario they may try to trade Winfield to the Chiefs. Apparently they had the cap space to use last year, so his signing bonus counted in full against last year's cap meaning that there would be no big hit this year.

If you want to read all of the other homers' reasoning, you can click the link in the first post to go to the thread at FFToday.

Kyle401
03-31-2005, 04:24 PM
I wish I recognized the players from this point out. I've been working a lot, and haven't had a chance to buy any of the draft magazines.

You can read about some of the players for free at this site. (http://www.draftshowcase.com)

Kyle401
04-01-2005, 08:09 AM
Finally moving again.

The Buccaneers select - C/G David Baas, Michigan

The Titans select - CB Marlin Jackson, Michigan

The Raiders select - LB Darryl Blackstock, Virginia (rufusmaque will be so disappointed)

cmh6476
04-01-2005, 08:16 AM
Finally moving again.

The Buccaneers select - C/G David Baas, Michigan

The Titans select - CB Marlin Jackson, Michigan

The Raiders select - LB Darryl Blackstock, Virginia (rufusmaque will be so disappointed)
great job man. If you wanna keep this thing goign I'll let you have it! I just started a new thread so we could eventually begin a new poll :thumb:

Totally your call!

htismaqe
04-01-2005, 08:18 AM
Finally moving again.

The Buccaneers select - C/G David Baas, Michigan

The Titans select - CB Marlin Jackson, Michigan

The Raiders select - LB Darryl Blackstock, Virginia (rufusmaque will be so disappointed)

I'm more disappointed that Jackson is gone...

Coogs
04-01-2005, 09:29 AM
Some of the top players left...

Defense first...

Brodney Pool S Oklahoma
Kevin Burnett OLB Tennessee
Justin Miller CB Clemson
Justin Tuck DE Notre Dame
Odell Thurman ILB Georgia
Luis Castillo DT Northwestern
Bryant McFadden CB Florida State
Corey Webster CB LSU
Mike Patterson DT USC
Eric Green CB Virginia Tech
Josh Bullocks S Nebraska
Brandon Browner CB Oregon State
Chris Canty DE Virginia

Offense next...

Charlie Frye QB Akron
Chris Henery WR West Virginia
Chris Spencer C Ole Miss
Reggie Brown WR Georgia
Fred Gibson WR Georgia
Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
Elton Brown G Virginia


Kicker...

Mike Nugent Ohio State

htismaqe
04-01-2005, 09:32 AM
Some of the top players left...

Defense first...

Brodney Pool S Oklahoma
Kevin Burnett OLB Tennessee
Justin Miller CB Clemson
Justin Tuck DE Notre Dame
Odell Thurman ILB Georgia
Luis Castillo DT Northwestern
Bryant McFadden CB Florida State
Corey Webster CB LSU
Mike Patterson DT USC
Eric Green CB Virginia Tech
Josh Bullocks S Nebraska
Brandon Browner CB Oregon State
Chris Canty DE Virginia

Offense next...

Charlie Frye QB Akron
Chris Henery WR West Virginia
Chris Spencer C Ole Miss
Reggie Brown WR Georgia
Fred Gibson WR Georgia
Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
Elton Brown G Virginia


Kicker...

Mike Nugent Ohio State

Well, since we HAVE a 2nd-round pick, it's automatically assumed we didn't get Surtain.

So therefore, I pass on Burnett and draft Justin Miller, CB.

Coogs
04-01-2005, 09:37 AM
Well, since we HAVE a 2nd-round pick, it's automatically assumed we didn't get Surtain.

So therefore, I pass on Burnett and draft Justin Miller, CB.

I'm not real high on any of the offensive guys left on draft sites around this pick. Looks like another CB, Thurman, or a D-lineman may be the route to go. Mid 2nd is too high for Nugent, but I don't think he will last until our 3rd. If we trade down and pick up a couple of extra picks, I wouldn't mind a mid 3rd on Nugent. He is supposed to be better than Kaeding.

Coogs
04-01-2005, 12:01 PM
Are we up yet?

cmh6476
04-01-2005, 12:08 PM
Are we up yet?
2.39 Baltimore (via Chi) - OG Elton Brown, Virginia
2.40 New Orleans (from Wash) - OLB Kevin Burnett, Tennessee
2.41 Detroit - S Brodney Pool, Oklahoma
2.42 Dallas - WR Chris Henry, West Virginia
2.43 NY Jets (via NYG) - CB Justin Miller, Clemson
2.44 Arizona
2.45 Carolina
2.46 Kansas City


Let's come up with about 10 guys and we'll start a new poll :thumb:

cmh6476
04-01-2005, 12:10 PM
2.39 Baltimore (via Chi) - OG Elton Brown, Virginia
2.40 New Orleans (from Wash) - OLB Kevin Burnett, Tennessee
2.41 Detroit - S Brodney Pool, Oklahoma
2.42 Dallas - WR Chris Henry, West Virginia
2.43 NY Jets (via NYG) - CB Justin Miller, Clemson
2.44 Arizona
2.45 Carolina
2.46 Kansas City


Let's come up with about 10 guys and we'll start a new poll :thumb:

That leaves these guys from the list above. Which should I list in a poll? :shrug:


Defense first...

Justin Tuck DE Notre Dame
Odell Thurman ILB Georgia
Luis Castillo DT Northwestern
Bryant McFadden CB Florida State
Corey Webster CB LSU
Mike Patterson DT USC
Eric Green CB Virginia Tech
Josh Bullocks S Nebraska
Brandon Browner CB Oregon State
Chris Canty DE Virginia

Offense next...

Charlie Frye QB Akron
Chris Spencer C Ole Miss
Reggie Brown WR Georgia
Fred Gibson WR Georgia
Jerome Mathis WR Hampton



Kicker...

Mike Nugent Ohio State

PHOG
04-01-2005, 12:14 PM
That leaves these guys from the list above. Which should I list in a poll? :shrug:


Defense first...

Justin Tuck DE Notre Dame
Odell Thurman ILB Georgia
Luis Castillo DT Northwestern
Bryant McFadden CB Florida State
Corey Webster CB LSU
Mike Patterson DT USC
Eric Green CB Virginia Tech
Josh Bullocks S Nebraska
Brandon Browner CB Oregon State
Chris Canty DE Virginia

Offense next...

Charlie Frye QB Akron
Chris Spencer C Ole Miss
Reggie Brown WR Georgia
Fred Gibson WR Georgia
Jerome Mathis WR Hampton



Kicker...

Mike Nugent Ohio State

I would list those 10 Def. players as the off. players don't really impress me....

To bad I have to get ready for work.. :banghead:

I would like to vote.

Coogs
04-01-2005, 12:19 PM
I would list those 10 Def. players as the off. players don't really impress me....

To bad I have to get ready for work.. :banghead:

I would like to vote.

Maybe the defensive 10, Fry, and one of the WR's. Maybe could limit the CB's to 2, but I don't know which 2.

cmh6476
04-01-2005, 12:28 PM
What about a trade down here? Should we look into it, since this might actually be a possibility?

We got a corner in the first, then we try and trade down for someone else's second and a third. Use the third to trade to Miami for surtain and take a OLB or DE with our later second rounder.

Then we still have our compensatory third and dont we have quite a few picks in the 4th and 5th where we could look at WR, QB, LB/DE, or OL.

Whatcha guys think? :shrug:

htismaqe
04-01-2005, 12:32 PM
Take McFadden.

Kyle401
04-01-2005, 12:59 PM
What about a trade down here? Should we look into it, since this might actually be a possibility?

We got a corner in the first, then we try and trade down for someone else's second and a third. Use the third to trade to Miami for surtain and take a OLB or DE with our later second rounder.

Then we still have our compensatory third and dont we have quite a few picks in the 4th and 5th where we could look at WR, QB, LB/DE, or OL.

Whatcha guys think? :shrug:

A trade down would be very practical in the real draft. But since they do not allow player trades in this mock, we would just end up with an extra 3rd round pick.

cmh6476
04-01-2005, 02:02 PM
cards just took:

Ciatrick Fason, RB Florida

Kyle401
04-01-2005, 02:23 PM
The Panthers select - S/LB Ernest Shazor, Michigan

cmh6476
04-01-2005, 02:23 PM
carolina selects:

S/OLB Ernest Shazor, Michigan

we are on the clock!

Kyle401
04-01-2005, 03:12 PM
The Chiefs select - CB Brandon Browner, Oregon St.

Kyle401
04-04-2005, 07:00 AM
I was out of town this weekend here's the update:

The Texans select - DE Justin Tuck, Notre Dame

The Bengals select - DT Luis Castillo, Northwestern

The Vikings select - K Mike Nugent, Ohio St.

The Cardinals select - CB Corey Webster, LSU

The Seahawks select - LB Odell Thurman, Georgia

The Vikings select - WR Reggie Brown, Georgia

The Bears select - RB Marion Barber III, Minnesota

The Packers select - S Josh Bullocks, Nebraska

The Bills select - C Chris Spencer, Ole Miss

The donkeys select - CB Bryant McFadden, Florida St.

Kyle401
04-04-2005, 10:00 AM
The Giants select - DT Mike Patterson, USC

The Packers select - LB Michael Boley, Southern Miss.

Kyle401
04-04-2005, 01:43 PM
The Falcons select - CB Antonio Perkins, Oklahoma

The Colts select - LB Robert McCune, Louisville

The Chargers select - S Gerald Sensabaugh, North Carolina

chiefscafan
04-04-2005, 03:41 PM
tHAT DRAFT WOULD SUCK

Kyle401
04-04-2005, 04:13 PM
the Patriots select - WR Terrence Murphy, Texas A&M

The Jaguars select - CB Stanley Wilson, Stanford

The Steelers select - TE Alex Smith, Stanford

whoman69
04-04-2005, 05:12 PM
What, are we stacking up on CBs? Could have used a LB here.

Kyle401
04-05-2005, 06:49 AM
What, are we stacking up on CBs? Could have used a LB here.

The selections we made in this mock were based on the assumption that we would not end up with either Law or Surtain. The commissioner of the draft asked that we make selections based on the current roster assuming no other additions.

Kyle401
04-05-2005, 06:55 AM
The Ravens select - S Donte Nicholson, Oklahoma

The Rams select - DE George Gause, South Carolina

The Browns select - WR Vincent Jackson, Northern Colorado

The Titans select - QB Adrian McPherson, Indiana

The Raiders select - G/T Marcus Johnson, Ole Miss

Kyle401
04-05-2005, 02:11 PM
The Dolphins select - WR Jerome Mathis, Hampton

The Bucs select - WR Fred Gibson, Georgia

The Lions select - QB Charlie Frye, Akron

htismaqe
04-05-2005, 02:19 PM
The Bucs select - WR Fred Gibson, Georgia


GREAT 3rd round pick.

Kyle401
04-05-2005, 02:24 PM
GREAT 3rd round pick.

Yeah, I was hoping that we would be picking between Frye, Gibson, and Ruud for our 3rd. Hopefully Ruud will still be there, but I doubt it. :grovel:

Spicy McHaggis
04-05-2005, 02:58 PM
Yeah, I was hoping that we would be picking between Frye, Gibson, and Ruud for our 3rd. Hopefully Ruud will still be there, but I doubt it. :grovel:

It looks like Ruud went at #30.

Rudy lost the toss
04-05-2005, 03:05 PM
somehow we managed to draft worse than carl :spock:

Kyle401
04-05-2005, 03:59 PM
It looks like Ruud went at #30.
Ah thanks, I must have missed that when I scanned through my list. I don't know how I thought he might still be available but I guess I was just hoping. Should have double checked.

Kyle401
04-05-2005, 04:05 PM
The Texans select - WR Courtney Roby, Indiana

The Giants select - RB Eric Shelton, Louisville

The Rams select - WR Roscoe Parrish, Miami

The Redskins select - WR J.R. Russell, Louiville

The Eagles select - LB Rian Wallace, Temple

The Texans select - C Ben Wilkerson, LSU

Kyle401
04-06-2005, 07:40 AM
The Panthers select - RB JJ Arrington, Califonia, Berkley

The Vikings select - G Evan Mathis, Alabama

The Rams select - CB Ronald Bartell Jr., Howard

Kyle401
04-06-2005, 10:21 AM
The Saints select - DT CJ Mosely, Missouri

The Bengals select - C Jason Brown, North Carolina

The Bears select - C Richie Incognito, Nebraska

Chiefnj
04-06-2005, 10:24 AM
Leroy Hill, OLB Clemson.

Rain Man
04-06-2005, 10:28 AM
somehow we managed to draft worse than carl :spock:

Yeah, but we're cheaper.

Kyle401
04-06-2005, 10:36 AM
Leroy Hill, OLB Clemson.

He has been productive in college, but is a little small at 6'1 224 lbs. There has been at least a little consideration about moving him to SS, as he has pretty good coverage skills and decent speed. I think that he will still be there later in the draft.

htismaqe
04-06-2005, 11:46 AM
He has been productive in college, but is a little small at 6'1 224 lbs. There has been at least a little consideration about moving him to SS, as he has pretty good coverage skills and decent speed. I think that he will still be there later in the draft.

Sounds like Donnie Edwards...

htismaqe
04-06-2005, 11:47 AM
somehow we managed to draft worse than carl :spock:

Maybe you should have bothered to read the stipulations of the draft...

Kyle401
04-06-2005, 11:50 AM
The Seahawks select - DE Chris Canty, Virginia

Kyle401
04-06-2005, 12:44 PM
The Bills select - CB Darrent Williams, Oklahoma State

The Jaguars select - WR Mark Bradley, Oklahoma

The Giants select - CB Eric Green, Virginia Tech

Kyle401
04-06-2005, 01:17 PM
The Packers select - DE Jovan Haye, Vanderbilt

The Falcons select - DT Johnathan Babineaux, Iowa

Kyle401
04-06-2005, 03:19 PM
The Bucs select - S Oshiomogho Atogwe, Stanford

Kyle401
04-06-2005, 04:18 PM
The Colts select - RB Ryan Moates, Louisiana Tech

whoman69
04-06-2005, 05:48 PM
If this draft plays out then LB Rian Wallace, Temple is going to be an All-Pro for Philadelphia and we are going to have John Welbourne to show for it.

Kyle401
04-07-2005, 07:07 AM
The Steelers select - WR Craphonso Thorpe, Florida State

The Eagles select - RB Maurice Clarett, Ohio State (sort of)

The Rams select - DT Atiyyah Ellison, Missouri

The Titans select - OT Chris Colmer, NC State

KChiefs1
04-07-2005, 07:10 AM
If this draft plays out then LB Rian Wallace, Temple is going to be an All-Pro for Philadelphia and we are going to have John Welbourne to show for it.

Sad, but true. :banghead:

Kyle401
04-07-2005, 10:31 AM
The Broncos select - S Vincent Fuller, Virginia Tech

The Packers select - LB Lance Mitchell, Oklahoma

htismaqe
04-07-2005, 10:35 AM
Well, the Steelers took my pick. :D

Kyle401
04-07-2005, 10:41 AM
Well, the Steelers took my pick. :D

ROFL Maybe we can work out a trade?

Kyle401
04-07-2005, 12:46 PM
The Chiefs select - LB Adam Seward, UNLV

Spicy McHaggis
04-07-2005, 02:25 PM
The Chiefs select - LB Adam Seward, UNLV

Good pick

Kyle401
04-08-2005, 07:01 AM
The Patriots select - LB Kirk Morrison, San Diego State

The Broncos select - G Chris Kemoeatu, Utah

Kyle401
04-08-2005, 07:10 AM
That finishes out the 3rd round. The commissioner has elected to extend the draft to include the 4th round. The selections made in the fourth thus far are listed in the top post.

I haven't decided yet whether to have a poll for our 4th round selection or not. It seems that the level of interest has fallen with each round. If you would like to have a poll let me know.