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Pants
03-30-2005, 02:56 PM
This is to all ya'll who think soccer is a pussy sport, just one example.

As we all know, today was a big day in international soccer as teams all over the world were playing in qualifier matches, I was looking at some pics and stumbled upon this:

(shit like this happens a lot, too)

Pants
03-30-2005, 02:57 PM
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Rain Man
03-30-2005, 02:58 PM
That'll teach him to ask for an autograph from Marvin Harrison.

Iowanian
03-30-2005, 03:00 PM
Like I said.............its fabulous if you live in a mud hut village with nothing to do but shu flies off your eyes and kick an air filled goat bladder around.

I've seen Spectators with more blood on them at a rodeo.

Pants
03-30-2005, 03:04 PM
Like I said.............its fabulous if you live in a mud hut village with nothing to do but shu flies off your eyes and kick an air filled goat bladder around.

I've seen Spectators with more blood on them at a rodeo.

No shit? I've seen spectators getting shived at a soccer game, what's your point? You always argue that people who play soccer are pussies because it's not physical and nobody gets hurt. I show you a guy who's knocked out with a broken jaw and you start talking about rodeo fans.

carlos3652
03-30-2005, 03:10 PM
Like I said.............its fabulous if you live in a mud hut village with nothing to do but shu flies off your eyes and kick an air filled goat bladder around.

I've seen Spectators with more blood on them at a rodeo.

Well I just want to add that I think USA soccer is a pussy sport... although I am a huge soccer fan, I used to go to all Boca Juniors Home games and close Away games when I lived in Argentina in the 80's-00's and I would also like to say that I have seen over 100+ deaths in stadiums before and after games (I stayed away from big rivalry games). And i wish that wouldnt happen. US Soccer is a family thing...

I have played soccer all my life and going to the Wizards games have really hurt my passion for the sport. - Although I still catch the Boca games on Sunday, and my Beloved Argentina when they play....

They play tonight... Hopefully we will keep leading those pig lovers from Brazil in the Standings to reach the World Cup 2006...

Rain Man
03-30-2005, 03:10 PM
I think you're naturally going to have trouble convincing people on a football board that soccer is a violent sport, metrolike.

carlos3652
03-30-2005, 03:12 PM
Well I just want to add that I think USA soccer is a pussy sport... although I am a huge soccer fan, I used to go to all Boca Juniors Home games and close Away games when I lived in Argentina in the 80's-00's and I would also like to say that I have seen over 100+ deaths in stadiums before and after games (I stayed away from big rivalry games). And i wish that wouldnt happen. US Soccer is a family thing...

I have played soccer all my life and going to the Wizards games have really hurt my passion for the sport. - Although I still catch the Boca games on Sunday, and my Beloved Argentina when they play....

They play tonight... Hopefully we will keep leading those pig lovers from Brazil in the Standings to reach the World Cup 2006...

This said, I believe the US is getting better and I think that in 4-8 years it will catch up in passion (hopefully) that it is in the international level...

Pants
03-30-2005, 03:12 PM
I think you're naturally going to have trouble convincing people on a football board that soccer is a violent sport, metrolike.

Well, maybe I like to fight lost causes, did you ever thinkg of THAT, Mr. Rain Man, huh?

HemiEd
03-30-2005, 03:15 PM
Soccer is ruining this country! It should be banned. :cuss:

carlos3652
03-30-2005, 03:21 PM
I think you're naturally going to have trouble convincing people on a football board that soccer is a violent sport, metrolike.

Football... two things to add... you dont play with your foot, and you wear pads? You want to talk tough... talk Rugby... but the US team sucks... so lets talk about "Football"


Dont get me wrong I love sports and I love the chiefs, but people who dont think all sports are dangerous are kidding themselves. here is a link:

http://www.punchbaby.com/media/gitfakt/clips/ouch/gelekaart.mpg

http://www.punchbaby.com/media/gitfakt/clips/ouch/jonhartson.avi

Mr. Kotter
03-30-2005, 03:22 PM
:hmmm:

Iowanian
03-30-2005, 03:23 PM
wipe the drip off of your labia metro...........

I just think Soccer sucks. Its great if you like it, Jumbo...its just that personally, I'd rather watch Oil based Paint Dry.

Mr. Kotter
03-30-2005, 03:24 PM
:shake:

carlos3652
03-30-2005, 03:25 PM
:hmmm:

PIGS I TELL YOU!!!! lol

Here is another link:
http://www.punchbaby.com/media/gitfakt/clips/movies/KungFooFootball.avi

Rain Man
03-30-2005, 03:29 PM
Well, maybe I like to fight lost causes, did you ever thinkg of THAT, Mr. Rain Man, huh?


Hey, did I see you on the news trying to run into Terri Schiavo's house?

Spicy McHaggis
03-30-2005, 03:52 PM
:hmmm:

Okay you like men, we get it. Geez.

Valiant
03-30-2005, 07:20 PM
Well I just want to add that I think USA soccer is a pussy sport... although I am a huge soccer fan, I used to go to all Boca Juniors Home games and close Away games when I lived in Argentina in the 80's-00's and I would also like to say that I have seen over 100+ deaths in stadiums before and after games (I stayed away from big rivalry games). And i wish that wouldnt happen. US Soccer is a family thing...

I have played soccer all my life and going to the Wizards games have really hurt my passion for the sport. - Although I still catch the Boca games on Sunday, and my Beloved Argentina when they play....

They play tonight... Hopefully we will keep leading those pig lovers from Brazil in the Standings to reach the World Cup 2006...


One of my friends from Argentina is getting ready to open a fine dining here in town next year...

PunkinDrublic
03-30-2005, 07:34 PM
I like watching the World cup every couple of years and its fun to watch the atmospere at a pub in Europe but MLS sucks. I like to see team USA do good in the World cup because it pisses the world off knowing most Americans don't care. When is team USA's next world cup qualifying match I know they lost to Mexico the other night.

Saulbadguy
03-30-2005, 07:37 PM
I can't get in to soccer. Maybe if KSU had a team, i'd watch.

|Zach|
03-30-2005, 07:39 PM
I watched Everton vs. Liverpool today. It was a kick ass game.

Saulbadguy
03-30-2005, 07:40 PM
FYI, if you want pictures of a sport with homosexual overtones, look no further than, well, our neighbors in the midwest. Stillwater, Norman, Ames, and Iowa City, the "males in tights rolling around on cushy mats together" capitals of the USA.

Pants
03-30-2005, 07:42 PM
I like watching the World cup every couple of years and its fun to watch the atmospere at a pub in Europe but MLS sucks. I like to see team USA do good in the World cup because it pisses the world off knowing most Americans don't care. When is team USA's next world cup qualifying match I know they lost to Mexico the other night.

They are playing Guatemala right now, winning 2-0 with 14 mins left.

Mr. Kotter
03-30-2005, 07:52 PM
Okay you like men, we get it. Geez.

Sure, my sons, my dad....just not in the same intimate way you do. Heh. :p

PunkinDrublic
03-30-2005, 08:06 PM
FYI, if you want pictures of a sport with homosexual overtones, look no further than, well, our neighbors in the midwest. Stillwater, Norman, Ames, and Iowa City, the "males in tights rolling around on cushy mats together" capitals of the USA.

No kidding especially when you consider they wear ear protectors so they don't bite each others ears and have to stick to a diet to participate.

alanm
03-30-2005, 08:08 PM
Soccer is ruining this country! It should be banned. :cuss:Next thing you know they'll be requiring kids to wear those little pansy bike helmets when they play. ROFL

I'm sorry soccer is a boring pussy sport. :)

KCinNY
03-30-2005, 08:39 PM
Three things that just aren't accepted in this country.

1. Monarchies.
2. The Metric System.
3. Soccer.

Although the World Cup is fun to watch every four years.

Logical
03-30-2005, 08:43 PM
I don't recall anyone saying it was a sport for pussies. More like people who like to watch it and follow it are pussies is what is often said by various posters.

Logical
03-30-2005, 08:46 PM
This said, I believe the US is getting better and I think that in 4-8 years it will catch up in passion (hopefully) that it is in the international level...
ROFL ROFL ROFL You have got to be joking. Soccer is avidly followed on a level that is well below Pro Wrestling, now that is pathetic. Wake up.

Logical
03-30-2005, 08:47 PM
Three things that just aren't accepted in this country.

1. Monarchies.
2. The Metric System.
3. Soccer.

Although the World Cup is fun to watch every four years.

Exactly

jayhawktx
03-30-2005, 08:59 PM
I don't recall anyone saying it was a sport for pussies.

Soccer is a sport for pussies. Have you ever seen these guys up close. The typical soccer pussy is about 5'7" and 130 lbs.

NJ Chief Fan
03-30-2005, 09:12 PM
personally im a soccer fan...i like to watch euro soccer and i watch the world cup..the mls is garbage...soccer fans are f'n nuts and if you think soccer players are a bunch of pussies i bet most of them would **** you up plus they are alot more althletic then 90% of any nfl player i bet your fat asses cant run around for 90 minutes

SNR
03-30-2005, 09:16 PM
It isn't about somebody getting hurt. If so, why would stuff like baseball be popular?

It's that soccer is a boring sport. Ball is kicked one way, ball is kicked the other way, ball is kicked out of bounds... some guy hits it with his head.... that shit lasts for 90 minutes. I can barely watch 5 minutes of soccer without falling asleep.

KCinNY
03-30-2005, 09:17 PM
they are alot more althletic then 90% of any nfl player

That's insane.

NJ Chief Fan
03-30-2005, 09:19 PM
^^its true soccer players are very very althletic the nfl is made up of mostly out of shape fat asses(linemen both sides of the ball)....dont get me wrong im watchin the games every saturday and sunday and mnf

SNR
03-30-2005, 09:22 PM
FYI, if you want pictures of a sport with homosexual overtones, look no further than, well, our neighbors in the midwest. Stillwater, Norman, Ames, and Iowa City, the "males in tights rolling around on cushy mats together" capitals of the USA.It's homoerotic, not homosexual.

KCinNY
03-30-2005, 09:23 PM
Maybe in cardiovascular health, soccer players are superior....maybe.

But as far as the athletic qualities of strength, speed, explosiveness, agility...football players are superior.

SNR
03-30-2005, 09:24 PM
^^its true soccer players are very very althletic the nfl is made up of mostly out of shape fat asses(linemen both sides of the ball)....dont get me wrong im watchin the games every saturday and sunday and mnfHave you seen the average NFL player up close? Even the shitty rookie free agents are ripped as hell.

Maybe if by "90% of the NFL" you mean "all of the kickers and punters" then yeah, you have a point there.

Simplex3
03-30-2005, 09:26 PM
... I can barely watch 5 minutes of soccer without falling asleep.


Soccer is why the Japanese invented this:

NJ Chief Fan
03-30-2005, 09:28 PM
are you sayin that soccer players are not fast? your a f'n crackhead...got watch your rodeo(who the hell can watch this garbage a bunch of dumbasses tying to ride bulls and then you got clowns running around this is the stupidest thing ive ever seen)

soccer players may not be the strongest but they are very athletic...the corner for the pats asante samuels is a converted soccer player and i stick to my word these soccer players would whop any of your a$$e$

Pants
03-30-2005, 09:29 PM
Soccer is a sport for pussies. Have you ever seen these guys up close. The typical soccer pussy is about 5'7" and 130 lbs.

I just spit my bagle out. You are obviosly f*cking clueless.

SNR
03-30-2005, 09:37 PM
are you sayin that soccer players are not fast? your a f'n crackhead...got watch your rodeo(who the hell can watch this garbage a bunch of dumbasses tying to ride bulls and then you got clowns running around this is the stupidest thing ive ever seen)

soccer players may not be the strongest but they are very athletic...the corner for the pats asante samuels is a converted soccer player and i stick to my word these soccer players would whop any of your a$$e$I'm not a pro athlete. Soccer players probably are more athletic than I am. Good for them, it's their f*cking job. That doesn't prove anything.

Match up any soccer player in a fight with Priest Holmes. I'll take Priest.

KCinNY
03-30-2005, 09:47 PM
I'm not a pro athlete. Soccer players probably are more athletic than I am. Good for them, it's their f*cking job. That doesn't prove anything.

Match up any soccer player in a fight with Priest Holmes. I'll take Priest.

Exactly.

Any NFL non-kicker would win a fight with any soccer player.

NJ Chief Fan
03-30-2005, 09:51 PM
i think dante hall would get his ass whopped..and im a fan of his so theres your non kicker who would get there ass whopped

also allen rossum

KCinNY
03-30-2005, 09:52 PM
i think dante hall would get his ass whopped..and im a fan of his so theres your non kicker who would get there ass whopped

also allen rossum

Nah, Dante is stronger than you think.

He's would kick Pele's ass.

Stinger
03-30-2005, 10:03 PM
Nah, Dante is stronger than you think.

He's would kick Pele's ass.


Well considering Pele is over 50 years old I would hope so.

As someone who has played soccer on multiple levels for 28 years let me say most of you have no clue what the heck your talking about.

Count Zarth
03-30-2005, 10:04 PM
This thread is getting really f*cking stupid.
































Everyone knows Hockey players would kick the ass of all other athletes. :D

KCinNY
03-30-2005, 10:20 PM
Well considering Pele is over 50 years old I would hope so.

As someone who has played soccer on multiple levels for 28 years let me say most of you have no clue what the heck your talking about.


Jeez, it was just a joke.

I'll put it this way; Dante (one of the smallest non-kickers in the NFL) could probably win a fight with Bergkamp, Renaldo, Beckham or any other world class soccer player.

Just imagine what Ray Lewis would do to one of those guys.

Spicy McHaggis
03-30-2005, 10:20 PM
This thread is getting really f*cking stupid.


Everyone knows Hockey players would kick the ass of all other athletes. :D

You stole my post for your avatar! Bastard! I demand rep compensation! :p

Count Zarth
03-30-2005, 10:25 PM
You stole my post for your avatar! Bastard! I demand rep compensation! :p

W-what? What post?

milkman
03-30-2005, 10:50 PM
I actually appreciate the athleticism and skill that soccer requires, but even just atalking about the sport puts me toZZZZZZzzzzzz.

alanm
03-30-2005, 11:37 PM
are you sayin that soccer players are not fast? your a f'n crackhead...got watch your rodeo(who the hell can watch this garbage a bunch of dumbasses tying to ride bulls and then you got clowns running around this is the stupidest thing ive ever seen)

soccer players may not be the strongest but they are very athletic...the corner for the pats asante samuels is a converted soccer player and i stick to my word these soccer players would whop any of your a$$e$
WARNING!!! If you rile a soccer player he may kick you in the shins. Oh wait.. They have shin guards for that. ROFL

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 06:16 AM
Well I just want to add that I think USA soccer is a pussy sport... although I am a huge soccer fan, I used to go to all Boca Juniors Home games and close Away games when I lived in Argentina in the 80's-00's and I would also like to say that I have seen over 100+ deaths in stadiums before and after games (I stayed away from big rivalry games). And i wish that wouldnt happen. US Soccer is a family thing...

I have played soccer all my life and going to the Wizards games have really hurt my passion for the sport. - Although I still catch the Boca games on Sunday, and my Beloved Argentina when they play....

They play tonight... Hopefully we will keep leading those pig lovers from Brazil in the Standings to reach the World Cup 2006...The Wizards are shit, as an organization. Either KC, Colorado, Dallas, or the Metros easily have the worst atmosphere in the league, and as such, should not be compared to teams like DC (Barra Brava, among others, are a great bunch), LA, San Jose (smaller crowds of only about 12-15,000 for most games, but damn good atmosphere), and Chicago (Soldier Field hurts, but they're going to be off the chain when they move to Bridgeview Stadium in 2006). Hell, Portland's Timbers Army in the A-League is crazy.

There are lots of passionate supporters groups in the US, but they're hurt by some of MLS's stupid policies. The league has finally awoken, though. Stuff like having the number 8 written in the end zone seats of the new Bridgeview Stadium, for example (for Chicago's Section 8), may be small but show that the league is finally realizing that they can help foster passionate fans while still marketing towards the shitty, fairweather, unconcerned "soccer mom and her kids" demographic (now whether they should go after that or the millions of people in this country who love soccer but have the perception of MLS as being too antiseptic is another matter).

Are we there yet? Hell no, but it's getting better, and will only improve now that Chivas USA is in the league and as more and more teams get their own 20-25,000 seat stadiums (it's hard to foster a great atmosphere in a stadium with 60,000 empty seats). Will we ever have the passion of the Old Firm rivalry or River-Boca? Probably not, at least not any time soon. But the league's play is constantly improving, and so is the crowd enthusiasm.

I'll put it this way; Dante (one of the smallest non-kickers in the NFL) could probably win a fight with Bergkamp, Renaldo, Beckham or any other world class soccer player.Bahahahahahahaha. Let me ask you one quick question. How does it feel to be retarded?

And just because I can, here's a picture of Gooch. Standard Liege is a Belgian side, by the way, and I find this to be rather amusing.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 06:23 AM
By the way, anyone remember the KC-Metros game at Giants Stadium last year? Jimmy Conrad got smacked in the face by Eddie Gaven's elbow, I think, and got busted up pretty bad. He was bleeding profusely, but luckily, it was close to halftime so KC could afford to play with ten men for a couple of minutes, then get him stitched up in the locker room and have him back out there for the second half.

Anyone who thinks soccer's not physical should have seen the US-Guatemala game last night. Looked like they were trying to be pro wrestlers, with as much grabbing and punching and shoving the Guats were doing. The ****ing ref didn't help matters.

Awesome game, though. If anyone watched that and came away with the impression soccer is boring, they're ****ing hopeless. The first half was nonstop energy, and the second half had some ridiculous action. Like the Donovan goal being disallowed -- horseshit -- just before the handball by Guatemala that wasn't called that led to EJ trying a bicycle kick and getting a great shot off, only to be denied by the keeper, then the ball being sent back up leading to the Ralston goal. All of that in the span of what, three minutes?

Baby Lee
03-31-2005, 06:27 AM
Soccer is a sport for pussies. Have you ever seen these guys up close. The typical soccer pussy is about 5'7" and 130 lbs.
Pele had an almost identical body to Jim Brown. Perhaps, next to Bo Jackson, one of the most perfectly athletic bodies of the 20th century.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 06:27 AM
Pele had an almost identical body to Jim Brown. Perhaps, next to Bo Jackson, one of the most perfectly athletic bodies of the 20th century.Maradona's still in amazing shape, too.

Well, this shape: O

nmt1
03-31-2005, 06:37 AM
Last night's match was sweet. Prototypical Bruce Arena soccer. I loved watching it when he coached DC United and I love watching it now that he's coaching the US National team.
Keller was brilliant in goal, the back line was strong and they attacked constantly. It's not on par with some of the stronger International sides yet but we're on our way with Arena.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 06:39 AM
Mad attack, yo. Could've easily been 5-0 without some great saves from the Guatemala keeper (I was really impressed by him... made some really smart decisions that kept them in it).

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 06:41 AM
Here's a picture of FC Dallas' newest striker, Carlos Ruiz:

<img src="http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/Cruises/MRCphotos/MZ%20Diver1%20es.jpg" style="width: 399px; height: 572px; border: 0" alt="" />

Oh, by the way, **** you, Landon. You ****ing baby.

Baby Lee
03-31-2005, 06:42 AM
Oh, by the way, **** you, Landon. You ****ing baby.
Tell me you're not busting on Landon Donovan. :cuss:

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 06:44 AM
Tell me you're not busting on Landon Donovan. :cuss:"WAAAAAH WAAAAAAAH WAAAAAH. It's cold in Germany. Coach won't play me. This three months of injustice is more than I can take! I want to go back home to my girlfriend and family and play for the team I played for up until a few months ago's most hated rival!"

We're talking Priest becoming a free agent and picking the Raiders or Donkos over the Chiefs. It hurts like a mother****er. Especially when all San Jose gets in return out of the whole mess is Danny "the Orange Traffic Cone" Califf.

nmt1
03-31-2005, 06:47 AM
Mad attack, yo. Could've easily been 5-0 without some great saves from the Guatemala keeper (I was really impressed by him... made some really smart decisions that kept them in it).

I only got to watch the 2nd half. That offsides on Donovan was completely bogus. The players were clearly even when the ball was kicked. That ref licked sack. That Ruiz dude should've gotten his second yellow for diving at least twice. The missed handball inside Guatemala's six was unacceptable, should've been a PK. The final should've been 5-0.

nmt1
03-31-2005, 06:48 AM
"WAAAAAH WAAAAAAAH WAAAAAH. It's cold in Germany. Coach won't play me. This three months of injustice is more than I can take! I want to go back home to my girlfriend and family and play for the team I played for up until a few months ago's most hated rival!"

We're talking Priest becoming a free agent and picking the Raiders or Donkos over the Chiefs. It hurts like a mother****er. Especially when all San Jose gets in return out of the whole mess is Danny "the Orange Traffic Cone" Califf.

I'm glad Donovan is back in the States. He's a great player and will be good for the MLS. DC better get their back line in order.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 06:49 AM
I only got to watch the 2nd half.The first half was even better, if you can believe it. Pretty much literally NONSTOP attack, mostly by the US, for the first twenty minutes, and a ton of fast attacking play the rest of the way. I expected a good game, but it was incredible.

That ref licked sack.That says it all, really.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 06:52 AM
I'm glad Donovan is back in the States. He's a great player and will be good for the MLS. DC better get their back line in order.If it had been any other team except the Gals, I'd have been disappointed but not as upset. This is like Priest going to the Raiders, or DeAngelo transferring to Mississippi, or Ryne Sandberg going to the Cardinals as a free agent in the prime of his career.

On the bright side, he has to play for Steve Sampson. Ha ha.

Also, DaMarcus Beasley is my new favorite player. A certain diaper-wearing balding 23-year-old has slipped a bit down the list.

Baby Lee
03-31-2005, 07:00 AM
"WAAAAAH WAAAAAAAH WAAAAAH. It's cold in Germany. Coach won't play me. This three months of injustice is more than I can take! I want to go back home to my girlfriend and family and play for the team I played for up until a few months ago's most hated rival!"

We're talking Priest becoming a free agent and picking the Raiders or Donkos over the Chiefs. It hurts like a mother****er. Especially when all San Jose gets in return out of the whole mess is Danny "the Orange Traffic Cone" Califf.
OIC - I don't pay enough attention to the ins and outs of MLS. Just like what he puts on the field for the Nat'l team.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 07:07 AM
OIC - I don't pay enough attention to the ins and outs of MLS. Just like what he puts on the field for the Nat'l team.Basically the deal is that LA sends Ruiz to Dallas and acquires Donovan (not really a popular move among LA faithful, either, it would seem; they love Ruiz and have hated Donovan for the past five seasons -- now they're expected to embrace him while losing their adored star three days before the season begins?), who's apparently going to be released by Bayer Leverkusen on some sort of a free and signed by MLS. There's a press conference -- in LA -- scheduled for today.

I'd have had no problem with it if he'd gone back to the Quakes, of course... "Baby? He is not a baby for wanting out of a negative situation!" ROFL

nmt1
03-31-2005, 07:20 AM
Basically the deal is that LA sends Ruiz to Dallas and acquires Donovan (not really a popular move among LA faithful, either, it would seem; they love Ruiz and have hated Donovan for the past five seasons -- now they're expected to embrace him while losing their adored star three days before the season begins?), who's apparently going to be released by Bayer Leverkusen on some sort of a free and signed by MLS. There's a press conference -- in LA -- scheduled for today.

I'd have had no problem with it if he'd gone back to the Quakes, of course... "Baby? He is not a baby for wanting out of a negative situation!" ROFL

I have to say I'm more interested in the National team too. As far as MLS, DC ain't getting him so I don't care who has him.

Morty80
03-31-2005, 08:20 AM
Our best athletes don't play soccer. They play football and basketball. That being said, I'll take Ray Lewis, Ty Law, Jamal Lewis, Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson, Chris McAllister, Michael Vick, Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, Roy Williams, Champ Bailey, Clinton Portis, Dante Culpepper, Ed Reed, Donavan McNabb, with Randy Moss in goal. Give them one year with a competent coach and no one in the world beats us. In fact no one would even dare stop on the field out of fear. I just don't see Landon Donovan schooling Michael Vick in any sport.

|Zach|
03-31-2005, 08:30 AM
Our best athletes don't play soccer. They play football and basketball. That being said, I'll take Ray Lewis, Ty Law, Jamal Lewis, Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson, Chris McAllister, Michael Vick, Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, Roy Williams, Champ Bailey, Clinton Portis, Dante Culpepper, Ed Reed, Donavan McNabb, with Randy Moss in goal. Give them one year with a competent coach and no one in the world beats us. In fact no one would even dare stop on the field out of fear. I just don't see Landon Donovan schooling Michael Vick in any sport.
It would take way more than one year.

Baby Lee
03-31-2005, 08:32 AM
Our best athletes don't play soccer. They play football and basketball. That being said, I'll take Ray Lewis, Ty Law, Jamal Lewis, Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson, Chris McAllister, Michael Vick, Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, Roy Williams, Champ Bailey, Clinton Portis, Dante Culpepper, Ed Reed, Donavan McNabb, with Randy Moss in goal. Give them one year with a competent coach and no one in the world beats us. In fact no one would even dare stop on the field out of fear. I just don't see Landon Donovan schooling Michael Vick in any sport.
YOu give way too short a shrift to the specialized skills required to play high level soccer. You have guys who can direct a high speed ball anywhere they want with their head. A skill I liken in difficulty to hitting a MBL fastball. Guy who can place a ball in a 1' square from 30-35 yards. Not to mention the stamina required to run at full speed at minute 1 and minute 90, and any point in between.
You'd have better luck turning Duante Culpepper into an NHL forward.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 08:33 AM
Dude, the vast majority of the best soccer players in the world and in the USA have been training rigorously to play soccer since they were eight or nine years old. The general "development cycle" of a player is basically considered to have been completed by the time they're 22-23 years of age. That's the point where you either "have it" or don't. You can add to your game after that, but the foundation is basically either set or will never be there by that time in most cases.

If you honestly believe Clinton Portis and Randy Moss would be able to trap balls and run circles around the best players in the world in under a year, you're a clueless imbecile. Would we kick everyone's ass if we had countless 6'3" 180 pounders out there (I say 180 rather than 200 because the excess, unnecessary muscle on people who are ripped would get run off or never be developed in soccer; the frames are just as muscular and powerful, just more streamlined and lighter) who had lived and breathed soccer since they were 10 rather than just a few exceptions like Gooch? Sure. But there are some damn good athletes out there in the rest of the world who would be pretty damn good football players if they had played football instead of soccer.

Hell, Tony Nhlecko (South African, I think; played for Dallas last year) is built like a linebacker. Not the best player, but he was okay. If all it took to be good at soccer was great athleticism, though, a lot of washouts would have had great careers.

Bwana
03-31-2005, 08:37 AM
Just seems like the place to throw this up.

carlos3652
03-31-2005, 08:40 AM
One of my friends from Argentina is getting ready to open a fine dining here in town next year...


Where at, I would definitely give it a look if its close to home, the closest thing I have here in KC is Piropos.

carlos3652
03-31-2005, 09:03 AM
I really enjoy watching the US team, but give me a break when they win vs Costa Rica, Guatemala, T&T, and Panama (Mexico is actually a good team). I think 3 teams make it to the world cup from this region, if the US doesnt make it, you have to shoot yourself...

Argentina has to play vs Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Colombia, @Bolivia in higher altitudes than the rockies in colorado where the air is so thin you can't breath...

So when the US wins these so called regionals (barely) its not a great accomplishment, when they beat Mexico I will have a higher view of their team, right now they look average at best.

Mr. Kotter
03-31-2005, 09:14 AM
It would take way more than one year.

13 months.

Tops.

|Zach|
03-31-2005, 09:16 AM
13 months.

Tops.
Heh, do you think that or are you trying to start shit. :p

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 09:36 AM
So when the US wins these so called regionals (barely) its not a great accomplishment, when they beat Mexico I will have a higher view of their team, right now they look average at best.Dude, we are 6W-1D-2L against Mexico in the last nine games we've played, including the game on Sunday at Azteca at 7,200 ft and in Mexico City smog. That's including a dominating 2-0 win in the 2002 World Cup Round of 16 before outplaying Germany but losing 0-1 in the quarterfinals, if you'll remember.

And before you dog Costa Rica, here's how they did in the 2002 World Cup:

1.BRAZIL 3 3 0 0 11- 3 9
2.TURKEY 3 1 1 1 5- 3 4
3.Costa Rica 3 1 1 1 5- 6 4
4.China 3 0 0 3 0- 9 0

They beat China, tied with Turkey (an eventual semifinalist), and lost to Brazil (the eventual champion) in the group stage and only lost out on advancing via goal differential.

Their play was probably why CONCACAF got an extra half-spot. Our #4 will play Asia's #5 to go to the World Cup.

By the way, our B-/C team throttled Colombia's B team 3-0 a couple of weeks ago. We were on a 16-game unbeaten streak heading into Azteca.

Mr. Kotter
03-31-2005, 09:42 AM
Heh, do you think that or are you trying to start shit. :p

The latter, of course. :)

|Zach|
03-31-2005, 09:47 AM
The latter, of course. :)
Good times. :)

nmt1
03-31-2005, 09:55 AM
I just don't see Landon Donovan schooling Michael Vick in any sport.

...except soccer.
Vick's a great athlete but he's a mediocre QB.

AustinChief
03-31-2005, 10:08 AM
ok.. let's look at this logically... the US has one of the top ten teams on the national stage right now.(according to FIFA rankings) In ALL of the other top countries the #1 sport BY FAR is soccer. Yet in the United States, any athlete who was good enough to play basketball, football or baseball would have abandoned soccer in college(or earlier)... IMAGINE where the US would be if even 10% of our REAL athletes stayed with soccer through college and beyond.

I love soccer .. I played it most of my life.. I follow a number of teams now... but the fact remains, the best athletes in the US DO NOT play soccer and that means the best athletes in the WORLD are not playing soccer.

oh and by the way... most soccer players overseas are lazy undiciplined scumbags ... and compared to hockey players they really are whiny pussies.

--Kyle

MOhillbilly
03-31-2005, 10:13 AM
i like soccer i like to watch the EPL and i liked to play it when i was a kid.

My cousins are scratch golfers but they cant kick a ball in a straight line.

football hooligans are cool aswell.

AustinChief
03-31-2005, 10:19 AM
Pele had an almost identical body to Jim Brown. Perhaps, next to Bo Jackson, one of the most perfectly athletic bodies of the 20th century.

I hope you are joking...
Pele was 5'7" and 150lbs

I'm just taking a wild guess that Jim Brown was a tad bigger.

Skip Towne
03-31-2005, 10:23 AM
Anyone who watches that pussified excuse for a sport should be locked in a room and forced to listen to old Tommy Roe tunes. For three days.

carlos3652
03-31-2005, 02:19 PM
Dude, we are 6W-1D-2L against Mexico in the last nine games we've played, including the game on Sunday at Azteca at 7,200 ft and in Mexico City smog. That's including a dominating 2-0 win in the 2002 World Cup Round of 16 before outplaying Germany but losing 0-1 in the quarterfinals, if you'll remember.

And before you dog Costa Rica, here's how they did in the 2002 World Cup:

1.BRAZIL 3 3 0 0 11- 3 9
2.TURKEY 3 1 1 1 5- 3 4
3.Costa Rica 3 1 1 1 5- 6 4
4.China 3 0 0 3 0- 9 0

They beat China, tied with Turkey (an eventual semifinalist), and lost to Brazil (the eventual champion) in the group stage and only lost out on advancing via goal differential.

Their play was probably why CONCACAF got an extra half-spot. Our #4 will play Asia's #5 to go to the World Cup.

By the way, our B-/C team throttled Colombia's B team 3-0 a couple of weeks ago. We were on a 16-game unbeaten streak heading into Azteca.

That 2002 World Cup was fixed, did anyone actually watch the games... my grandma would have officiated those games better, did USA have a good showing yes, and I was proud for the sport, but when US wins a WC is when they will impress me, you think Iraq was good because they got that far in the Olympics, oh yea where was the US then, playing friendlies.... Argentina played their freaking B team came out the winners without a GA.

USA on a 16-0 run and they played who? How many teams in the top 50 of the FIFA WORLD RANKING - A TEAMS.

USA vs the top 10 teams ranked in FiFA in the last 6 years by year:

2005: 0w-0d-1L
2004: 1w-0d-1L (Only W vs Mexico in Texas)
2003: 0w-1d-3L (Only D vs Mexico in US)
2002: 2w-0d-4L (2W vs Mexico in US and Korea)
2001: 1w-0d-2L (Only W vs Mexico in US)
2000: 2w-0d-0L (2W vs Mexico in US)

Hmmm... when the only team you beat is Mexico at Home or in a Neutral setting...

carlos3652
03-31-2005, 02:31 PM
Last 16 games not counting Mexico, Guatemala:


Trinidad & Tobago + 2-1 W Location Trinidad 18,000 (est)
Colombia 3-0 W Location Fullerton, Calif. 7,086
Honduras 1-0 W Location Albuquerque, N.M. 9,222
Haiti 1-1 T Location Miami, Fla. 8,714
Poland 1-0 W Location Poland 10,500
Mexico 1-0 W Location Dallas, Texas 45,048
Honduras 4-0 W Location Foxboro, Mass. 11,533
Grenada * 3-0 W Location Columbus, Ohio 9,137
Grenada * 3-2 W Location St. George's, Grenada 15,267
Poland 1-1 T Location Chicago, Ill. 39,529
Jamaica ^ 1-1 T Location Kingston, Jamaica 27,000
El Salvador^ 2-0 W Location Donovan Foxboro, Mass 25,266
Panama City^ 1-1 T Location Panama City, Panama 14,500
El Salvador^ 2-0 W Location San Salvador, El Salvador 20,000
Panama^ 6-0 W Location Washington, D.C. 19,793
Jamaica^ 1-1 T Location Columbus, Ohio 9,088

When you play 10/16 at home and play vs 0/16 top 25 teams you end up having a good year... I just cant see why you guys are ranked 10th.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 02:36 PM
The Patriots won't impress me until they win another five Super Bowls. Those last few were rigged, man. They haven't beaten anybody.

Logical
03-31-2005, 02:36 PM
By the way, anyone remember the KC-Metros game at Giants Stadium last year? Jimmy Conrad got smacked in the face by Eddie Gaven's elbow, I think, and got busted up pretty bad. He was bleeding profusely, but luckily, it was close to halftime so KC could afford to play with ten men for a couple of minutes, then get him stitched up in the locker room and have him back out there for the second half.

Anyone who thinks soccer's not physical should have seen the US-Guatemala game last night. Looked like they were trying to be pro wrestlers, with as much grabbing and punching and shoving the Guats were doing. The ****ing ref didn't help matters.

Awesome game, though. If anyone watched that and came away with the impression soccer is boring, they're ****ing hopeless. The first half was nonstop energy, and the second half had some ridiculous action. Like the Donovan goal being disallowed -- horseshit -- just before the handball by Guatemala that wasn't called that led to EJ trying a bicycle kick and getting a great shot off, only to be denied by the keeper, then the ball being sent back up leading to the Ralston goal. All of that in the span of what, three minutes?

LOL watching a soccer fanatic defend the lack of interesting action in their beloved game is really hillarious. I have never said there is not a bunch of frenetic running around of little or no interest with two or three minutes of real interest in a game. On the other hand it is not a great deal more boring than baseball.

carlos3652
03-31-2005, 02:45 PM
The Patriots won't impress me until they win another five Super Bowls. Those last few were rigged, man. They haven't beaten anybody.

The Patriots have won 3.... how many championships can we count for the US.... Its like saying the Iraqi team is awsome... they havent won anything but they are showing good upside... LOL - Your point would be valid if I said that about Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina, Uruguay or any other team that had already won 2+ WC's or more but that wasnt my point...

I guess you didnt see the world cup games because they were played at between 12am - 6am in the morning, Korea was helped the whole way through... Brazil made it look easy, and US benifited from a weak group and weak Bracket to face Germany....

Skip Towne
03-31-2005, 02:57 PM
I hope you are joking...
Pele was 5'7" and 150lbs

I'm just taking a wild guess that Jim Brown was a tad bigger.
Maybe he meant James Brown.

Captain Obvious
03-31-2005, 03:03 PM
Who has the remote?

Baby Lee
03-31-2005, 03:20 PM
I hope you are joking...
Pele was 5'7" and 150lbs

I'm just taking a wild guess that Jim Brown was a tad bigger.
Spotty use of language. I meant build and relative dimensions. Extra thick ankles. Pristine mix of flexibility and strength in knees and hips. High concentration of fast twitch fibers. Compact frame and low center of gravity, leading to excellent agility and balance.
All adding up to a frame that had agility, balance, strength, stamina, and resistance to injury that others don't possess.
And are you sure that those numbers come from the prime of his career? He was a short, slight, wiry guy when he first went to WC at age 16. But boomed up into a veritable oak tree over the years.

AustinChief
03-31-2005, 03:33 PM
Spotty use of language. I meant build and relative dimensions. Extra thick ankles. Pristine mix of flexibility and strength in knees and hips. High concentration of fast twitch fibers. Compact frame and low center of gravity, leading to excellent agility and balance.
All adding up to a frame that had agility, balance, strength, stamina, and resistance to injury that others don't possess.
And are you sure that those numbers come from the prime of his career? He was a short, slight, wiry guy when he first went to WC at age 16. But boomed up into a veritable oak tree over the years.

Those are from his prime playing days.. you are correct though.. he was much smaller earlier on...

carlos3652
03-31-2005, 03:50 PM
Spotty use of language. I meant build and relative dimensions. Extra thick ankles. Pristine mix of flexibility and strength in knees and hips. High concentration of fast twitch fibers. Compact frame and low center of gravity, leading to excellent agility and balance.
All adding up to a frame that had agility, balance, strength, stamina, and resistance to injury that others don't possess.
And are you sure that those numbers come from the prime of his career? He was a short, slight, wiry guy when he first went to WC at age 16. But boomed up into a veritable oak tree over the years.

Who at age 16 has the ability to take a team and make it the best in the world in any professional sport ? Other than Maradona, I cant name any...

Logical
03-31-2005, 04:13 PM
Pele had an almost identical body to Jim Brown. Perhaps, next to Bo Jackson, one of the most perfectly athletic bodies of the 20th century.

You are normally fairly rationale, I have no idea what happened on this post. Comparing a lithe and acrobatic 5-7 130 to 150 pounder (over his career) that had only leg muscle to a 6-2 230 lb all muscle fullback. Yep pretty identical.ROFL

Logical
03-31-2005, 04:16 PM
You are normally fairly rationale, I have no idea what happened on this post. Comparing a lithe and acrobatic 5-7 130 to 150 pounder (over his career) that had only leg muscle to a 6-2 230 lb all muscle fullback. Yep pretty identical.ROFL

Oh I see this has been covered. I saw Pele up close when the KC soccer team played the Cosmos when he was standing on the sidelines. He was at most 5-8 and 150 some pounds at that point.

ENDelt260
03-31-2005, 04:30 PM
personally im a soccer fan...i like to watch euro soccer and i watch the world cup..the mls is garbage...soccer fans are f'n nuts and if you think soccer players are a bunch of pussies i bet most of them would **** you up plus they are alot more althletic then 90% of any nfl player i bet your fat asses cant run around for 90 minutes
Being in shape and being a pussy are not mutually exclusive conditions. No, I can't run around non stop for 90 minutes. But, I bet there's more than a couple cross country runners I could take in a bar fight.

carlos3652
03-31-2005, 06:22 PM
Being in shape and being a pussy are not mutually exclusive conditions. No, I can't run around non stop for 90 minutes. But, I bet there's more than a couple cross country runners I could take in a bar fight.

Soccer players do not = Cross Country weenies... Im sure you can beat the crap out of the ethiopians... Soccer players are built and have legs that can eat you alive, although Im sure you would hold your own.... I was just trying to show you how that you would have a harder time bringing him down than the CC weenie...

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 07:17 PM
LOL watching a soccer fanatic defend the lack of interesting action in their beloved game is really hillarious. I have never said there is not a bunch of frenetic running around of little or no interest with two or three minutes of real interest in a game. On the other hand it is not a great deal more boring than baseball."Boring" is completely subjective, but if soccer contains "two or three minutes of real interest in a game," your typical football game contains about forty seconds.

The Patriots have won 3.... how many championships can we count for the US.... Its like saying the Iraqi team is awsome... they havent won anything but they are showing good upside... LOL When Iraq runs to the quarterfinals of the World Cup, I'll be pretty damn impressed. As for upside, do you have ANY perspective?

If you're calling us and our league "crap" and totally disregarding the fact that we were at frigging CANADA's level only a little more than ten years ago, I can't help but disagree. We have utterly owned Mexico lately, we made it to the quarterfinals of the latest World Cup (your whining about it being somehow rigged aside), and we're tied at #10 with Italy in the current FIFA World Rankings. That's not "crap," and your attempt to diminish it speaks to your apparently deeply embedded bias and recalcitrance to giving us any credit for the long distance we've come in such a short time rather than any truth of the matter.

- Your point would be valid if I said that about Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina, Uruguay or any other team that had already won 2+ WC's or more but that wasnt my point...Uruguay? You South American homer. Those wins in 1930 and 1950 have very little bearing on quality in 2005.

I guess you didnt see the world cup games because they were played at between 12am - 6am in the morning, Korea was helped the whole way through... Brazil made it look easy, and US benifited from a weak group and weak Bracket to face Germany....I have most of the World Cup on tape, and I would hardly call a group including a recognized world power and one of the host nations (who made it to the semifinals) -- not to mention a half-decent Euro side rounding it out -- "weak." Then we schooled Mexico (who had two wins and a draw, winning Group G, which included Italy, Croatia, and Ecuador) and lost to Germany in the quarters after outplaying them in large part due to a non-call on a clear handball that kept the ball from going into the net. We had a great World Cup, and our ongoing progress is staggering.

None of your weak rationalization can take that away from us.

Logical
03-31-2005, 07:43 PM
"Boring" is completely subjective, but if soccer contains "two or three minutes of real interest in a game," your typical football game contains about forty seconds.

....Perhaps proving my point that it is not soccer players who are pussies but those who love to watch soccer. Anybody who does not love the hitting on every play in a football game probably would love soccer instead.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 08:30 PM
Perhaps proving my point that it is not soccer players who are pussies but those who love to watch soccer. Anybody who does not love the hitting on every play in a football game probably would love soccer instead.Anyone who thinks soccer is boring is brain damaged to a fairly large degree.

Dave Lane
03-31-2005, 08:44 PM
OK I'm putting up the poll to kick soccer to the curb. Geez forget about this snooze fest lets talk football!

Dave

Stinger
03-31-2005, 09:23 PM
Perhaps proving my point that it is not soccer players who are pussies but those who love to watch soccer. Anybody who does not love the hitting on every play in a football game probably would love soccer instead.

Anyone who doesn't believe there is contact or hitting in soccer is not looking hard enough or is blind.

Pants
03-31-2005, 09:25 PM
Perhaps proving my point that it is not soccer players who are pussies but those who love to watch soccer. Anybody who does not love the hitting on every play in a football game probably would love soccer instead.

You're wrong, I love both. Different types of excitement. The rewards in soccer are much greater but much rarer.

Skip Towne
03-31-2005, 09:31 PM
Soccer players remind me of ice skaters and ballet dancers. Highly skilled at something too boring to watch. It's fans are effeminate at the very least.

Pants
03-31-2005, 09:42 PM
Soccer players remind me of ice skaters and ballet dancers. Highly skilled at something too boring to watch. It's fans are effeminate at the very least.

Skip, you shouldn't talk when you're f*cking clueless, it makes you look real stupid. Have you seen the fans in Europe and South America? People get killed.

Stinger
03-31-2005, 09:44 PM
Skip, you shouldn't talk when you're f*cking clueless, it makes you look real stupid. Have you seen the fans in Europe and South America? People get killed.

Skips just trying to pull your chain. And if people don't get they just don't no fault to them. They are just missing out :)

Logical
03-31-2005, 10:26 PM
You're wrong, I love both. Different types of excitement. The rewards in soccer are much greater but much rarer.
ROFL

Skip Towne
03-31-2005, 10:32 PM
Skip, you shouldn't talk when you're f*cking clueless, it makes you look real stupid. Have you seen the fans in Europe and South America? People get killed.
You are the clueless one fairy boy. If you can't see it it is because you are part of it.

|Zach|
03-31-2005, 10:47 PM
I never quite understood why the "to each their own" idea never quite sticks in discussions of soccer.

I like Soccer alot...some people don't and I can understand that. No big deal. Why someone would spend time trying to convince others they are idiots for liking it is beyond me.

Logical
03-31-2005, 10:58 PM
I never quite understood why the "to each their own" idea never quite sticks in discussions of soccer.

I like Soccer alot...some people don't and I can understand that. No big deal. Why someone would spend time trying to convince others they are idiots for liking it is beyond me.

I understand your point but what is more amazing to me is that the very few soccer enthusiasts will never understand that Americans do not love this sport and for the most part find it terribly boring. So clearly both sides exhibit the same stubborn tendencies.

|Zach|
03-31-2005, 11:02 PM
I understand your point but what is more amazing to me is that the very few soccer enthusiasts will never understand that Americans do not love this sport and for the most part find it terribly boring. So clearly both sides exhibit the same stubborn tendencies.
I can see that but it seems like the anti soccer folks go out of their way a lot more to rip on Soccer. It is just kind of funny to me. There can't be a single soccer thread without all kinds of worthless tripe. Its not like there are a bunch of people making threads talking shit on other sports and touting soccer's superiority. There are usually just simple stuff talking about the U.S. team and some English Premier League stuff.

Whatever makes you happy. :hmmm:

Logical
03-31-2005, 11:08 PM
I can see that but it seems like the anti soccer folks go out of their way a lot more to rip on Soccer. It is just kind of funny to me. There can't be a single soccer thread without all kinds of worthless tripe. Its not like there are a bunch of people making threads talking shit on other sports and touting soccer's superiority. There are usually just simple stuff talking about the U.S. team and some English Premier League stuff.

Whatever makes you happy. :hmmm:How on earth have you missed all the ripping on Major League Baseball that goes on here at the Planet?

|Zach|
03-31-2005, 11:09 PM
How on earth have you missed all the ripping on Major League Baseball that goes on here at the Planet?
I have not missed any of it. :hmmm:

Pants
03-31-2005, 11:11 PM
MLS does suck, though. I could never get into it for some reason.

recycle
04-01-2005, 02:28 AM
Soccer is safer than the great outdoors.

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recycle
04-01-2005, 04:03 AM
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