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alpha_omega
03-30-2005, 06:46 PM
For those who might be interested...

NFL Yearbook: 1990 Kansas City Chiefs
ESPN Classic
Thur. 3/31 @ 9:30pm Central

Bowser
03-30-2005, 06:47 PM
DeBerg lives!

siberian khatru
03-30-2005, 06:52 PM
"Holding, No. 79, 10-yard penalty, still 3rd down ..."

Bowser
03-30-2005, 06:53 PM
"Holding, No. 79, 10-yard penalty, still 3rd down ..."

:cuss:

Deberg_1990
03-30-2005, 08:54 PM
"Holding, No. 79, 10-yard penalty, still 3rd down ..."

Damnit Szott!!!

Honestly, I believe that 1990 team was one of our best teams of the Carl and Marty years. Deberg was on fire that year. Stephon Paige had a career year, DT in his prime. We had a great D except for that Oilers game.

Spott
03-30-2005, 08:55 PM
"Holding, No. 79, 10-yard penalty, still 3rd down ..."

I'll always remember Szott for that. BTW, that happened on 1st down.

siberian khatru
03-30-2005, 09:00 PM
BTW, that happened on 1st down.

Thanks, I couldn't remember and just took a stab at it.

Count Alex's Losses
03-30-2005, 09:03 PM
What is this holding on Szott nonsense about?

Spott
03-30-2005, 09:10 PM
What is this holding on Szott nonsense about?

1990 playoffs. We were playing in Miami in the wild card game. We were down 17-16 with under a minute left. KC had 1st and 10 from the Miami 28 and we were running out the clock to set up for a game winning FG. On 1st down, Okoye runs for 11 yards, but Szott gets called for holding, which puts the ball back at the 38 yard line. We only get 3 more yards and Lowery misses a 52 yard FG with about 30 seconds left just under the crossbar. We had that game in the bag until that holding call.

Count Alex's Losses
03-30-2005, 09:17 PM
1990 playoffs. We were playing in Miami in the wild card game. We were down 17-16 with under a minute left. KC had 1st and 10 from the Miami 28 and we were running out the clock to set up for a game winning FG. On 1st down, Okoye runs for 11 yards, but Szott gets called for holding, which puts the ball back at the 38 yard line. We only get 3 more yards and Lowery misses a 52 yard FG with about 30 seconds left just under the crossbar. We had that game in the bag until that holding call.

Ugh, that is f*cking horrible.

Bowser
03-30-2005, 09:19 PM
Ugh, that is f*cking horrible.

Nah, the horrible part is that it was a phantom holding call. We got hosed then as bad as when the refs didn't call the second Gonzalez TD in the '97 playoffs against the Broncos. :shake:

Spott
03-30-2005, 09:20 PM
Ugh, that is f*cking horrible.

That was the first of many times watching a Chiefs game that I truly wanted to put my foot through the damn TV. There were other Chief screw ups before then, but that kind of behavior was expected of us in the 80's. Damn that game. We blew a 16-3 lead in the 4th quarter, too.

:cuss:

Spott
03-30-2005, 09:21 PM
Nah, the horrible part is that it was a phantom holding call. We got hosed then as bad as when the refs didn't call the second Gonzalez TD in the '97 playoffs against the Broncos. :shake:

That holding call was as bogus as that holding call on Manusky on the FG attempt early in that 97 game against Denver.

Bowser
03-30-2005, 09:22 PM
That holding call was as bogus as that holding call on Manusky on the FG attempt early in that 97 game against Denver.

Yeah, that one, too!

:banghead:

Deberg_1990
03-30-2005, 09:24 PM
Ughh....you guys are bringing back too many bad memories.......

KCinNY
03-30-2005, 10:15 PM
Damnit Szott!!!

Honestly, I believe that 1990 team was one of our best teams of the Carl and Marty years. Deberg was on fire that year. Stephon Paige had a career year, DT in his prime. We had a great D except for that Oilers game.

Agreed.

That 1990 team was very, very good. It's too bad that Paige's career was cut short by injury. The guy was a top notch WR(and an undrafted FA if I recall).

whoman69
03-30-2005, 10:57 PM
The season rested on Steve DeBerg's broken thumb. He came back the next year with the offense sputtering and he was soon replaced.

shaneo69
03-31-2005, 09:03 AM
Since I was too young to remember the '69 season, that 1990 group ranks as my favorite Chiefs team of all-time. But the losses from that season really stick out. The Monday Night classic at Denver. Derrick's 7 sack game. Warren Moon's career day. And on my 21st birthday, I drove to Indy to see them play the Colts, and they somehow let freakin' Jack Trudeau beat 'em. And then, of course, the playoff disaster in Miami. Our whole defense was pro-bowl quality that year, and our offense featured career years by DeBerg, Word, and Paige. The defensive coaching staff included Cowher and Dungy. That team should've been in the Super Bowl.


On a side note, I don't know if you can look this up anywhere, but I believe that the referee for both the 1990 playoff loss at Miami and the 1997 playoff loss at home against Denver was Jerry Markbreit. Coincidence?

ceebz
03-31-2005, 10:18 AM
For some reason I thought that holding call was on Grunny. *shrug*

I still think the worst crap ever to happen against the Chiefs was the 'foreign substance' fiasco in the 97 playoff game against the Donkeys.

No ejections, no penalties, hell, Denver wasn't even charged a time out. They just stopped the game, walked the Denver Oline to the sideline, wiped 'em off, and started the game as though nothing had happened.

HemiEd
03-31-2005, 10:33 AM
This whole thread just wrecked my day! :cuss: At least no one brought up our kicking problems in the 95 play off game. :cuss:

Mark M
03-31-2005, 10:38 AM
1990 playoffs. We were playing in Miami in the wild card game. We were down 17-16 with under a minute left. KC had 1st and 10 from the Miami 28 and we were running out the clock to set up for a game winning FG. On 1st down, Okoye runs for 11 yards, but Szott gets called for holding, which puts the ball back at the 38 yard line. We only get 3 more yards and Lowery misses a 52 yard FG with about 30 seconds left just under the crossbar. We had that game in the bag until that holding call.

Thanks ...

you just added another month onto my therapy sessions.

MM
~~:sulk:

Lzen
03-31-2005, 12:14 PM
Yeah, the ending did kinda suck. But it was still an enjoyable season. I think I'll record it tonight. Thanks for the heads up. Especially thanks for telling us several hours ahead.

alpha_omega
03-31-2005, 06:00 PM
Thought i'd give this a bump since its on tonight

CosmicPal
03-31-2005, 06:19 PM
1990 playoffs. We were playing in Miami in the wild card game. We were down 17-16 with under a minute left. KC had 1st and 10 from the Miami 28 and we were running out the clock to set up for a game winning FG. On 1st down, Okoye runs for 11 yards, but Szott gets called for holding, which puts the ball back at the 38 yard line. We only get 3 more yards and Lowery misses a 52 yard FG with about 30 seconds left just under the crossbar. We had that game in the bag until that holding call.

Gawd, I remember that. I was young too. Had a bunch of peeps over at my townhouse that day and we all had been drinking all day long, starting around 9AM. I had an argument with my father that morning and felt absolutely horrible about the way I talked to him. But, I figured a Chiefs win would make it all better.

As soon as Lowry kicked it, I thought it was good and starting screaming and jumping up and down in complete utter joy. When I realized I was the only drunken idiot dancing around, I looked at the TV to see that he had missed it. My heart sunk faster that a ton of bricks. I stood there motionless for the longest time. Everyone went out to the bars after that, but I stayed behind as I was way too drunk and depressed. It was a terrible day.

Deberg_1990
03-31-2005, 06:53 PM
Our whole defense was pro-bowl quality that year, and our offense featured career years by DeBerg, Word, and Paige. The defensive coaching staff included Cowher and Dungy. That team should've been in the Super Bowl.




I do truly believe that team was one of Martys best during his time here in KC. If they had beaten Miami, I believe they would have had to travel to Buffalo the next week though. I highly doubt they would have won that game. But its nice to dream.......sigh...

Deberg_1990
03-31-2005, 06:55 PM
It's too bad that Paige's career was cut short by injury. The guy was a top notch WR(and an undrafted FA if I recall).

Agreed. He was a great reciever. Anyone remember his 300 yard recieving game in like 1988 I beleive?? I doubt many people remember it because our team was crap in those years. If I remember right, both Blackledge and Kenney both QB'd that game?

Spott
03-31-2005, 07:04 PM
Agreed. He was a great reciever. Anyone remember his 300 yard recieving game in like 1988 I beleive?? I doubt many people remember it because our team was crap in those years. If I remember right, both Blackledge and Kenney both QB'd that game?

That game was actually back in the 85 season finale against San Diego. I think Bill Kenney had like 337 passing yards and 309 of them were to Paige. I don't remember Blackledge playing that game, but maybe he did.

Saulbadguy
03-31-2005, 07:06 PM
Got it queued up on the DVR..thanks.

CosmicPal
03-31-2005, 07:17 PM
Got it queued up on the DVR..thanks.

Are you using the Comcast DVR?

Just curious, I ordered one at 5.00/mo and I am still waiting for it. It looks pretty kewl

Saulbadguy
03-31-2005, 07:19 PM
Are you using the Comcast DVR?

Just curious, I ordered one at 5.00/mo and I am still waiting for it. It looks pretty kewl
Cox DVR. Motorola DCT something something. It works pretty good...my favorite part, DUAL TUNER! You can record a show/watch another show,or record 2 shows at once.

Deberg_1990
03-31-2005, 07:21 PM
Cox DVR. Motorola DCT something something. It works pretty good...my favorite part, DUAL TUNER! You can record a show/watch another show,or record 2 shows at once.

I have the Direct TV DVR with TIVO. It rocks! I cant beleive i lived without one for so long!

Deberg_1990
03-31-2005, 07:22 PM
That game was actually back in the 85 season finale against San Diego. I think Bill Kenney had like 337 passing yards and 309 of them were to Paige. I don't remember Blackledge playing that game, but maybe he did.

wow, i didnt realize it had been quite that long...20 years...wow..

CosmicPal
03-31-2005, 07:23 PM
Cox DVR. Motorola DCT something something. It works pretty good...my favorite part, DUAL TUNER! You can record a show/watch another show,or record 2 shows at once.

Ahhh, okay...not sure what kind I'm getting, but it can record up to 60 hours, immediate playback, can record one program and watch another, etc. Looking forward to it.

Count Alex's Losses
03-31-2005, 07:23 PM
I hear a distant cousin of William Bartee was covering Paige that day.

Ultra Peanut
03-31-2005, 08:13 PM
While on the subject of ESPN Classic, I missed their showing of the 1973 National Championship basketball game between Memphis State and UCLA today. Damnit. I've never seen it before, and they don't have it listed as airing again any time soon.

ceebz
03-31-2005, 09:56 PM
Man, I just can't believe how stacked we were on defense in 1990.

If only we had Lewis, Ross, and Cherry now.

HemiEd
03-31-2005, 10:13 PM
But it is only a detour we have been on since the 1990 play-off loss? :cuss:

mississippichiefan
03-31-2005, 10:14 PM
That holding call if I remember correctly was the first holding call of the game on either team . Man that sure brought back memories of Derrick Thomas , what a defense . Then the thing about Willie Lanier , man I miss those defenses .

HemiEd
03-31-2005, 10:16 PM
That holding call if I remember correctly was the first holding call of the game on either team . Man that sure brought back memories of Derrick Thomas , what a defense . Then the thing about Willie Lanier , man I miss those defenses .


Do you miss those offenses?

Count Alex's Losses
03-31-2005, 10:26 PM
That was pretty cool.

60 sacks in one year? Sheesh.

KCinNY
03-31-2005, 10:56 PM
How in the hell did Albert Lewis miss that interception on that Clayton TD catch in the Miami playoff game.

:banghead: