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Mr. Laz
03-31-2005, 12:39 PM
2005 DRAFT TWO-ROUND PROJECTION
March 31, 2005 * indicates underclassman
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First round

1 San Francisco Braylon Edwards WR Michigan

2 Miami Ronnie Brown RB Auburn

3 Cleveland *Alex Smith QB Utah

4 Chicago *Mike Williams WR Southern California

5 Tampa Bay Cedric Benson RB Texas

6 Tennessee *Adam Jones CB West Virginia

7 Minnesota (from Oakland) *Troy Williamson WR South Carolina

8 Arizona *Aaron Rodgers QB California

9 Washington *Shawn Merriman DE Maryland

10 Detroit Derrick Johnson LB Texas

11 Dallas Alex Barron OT Florida State

12 San Diego (from NY Giants) Antrel Rolle CB Miami

13 Houston Carnell Williams RB Auburn

14 Carolina Travis Johnson DT Florida State

15 Kansas City Erasmus James DE Wisconsin

16 New Orleans Carlos Rogers CB Auburn

17 Cincinnati Shaun Cody DT Southern California

18 Minnesota David Pollack DE Georgia

19 St. Louis *Heath Miller TE Virginia

20 Dallas (from Buffalo) Marcus Spears DE LSU

21 Jacksonville Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma

22 Baltimore Roddy White WR Alabama-Birmingham

23 Seattle Dan Cody DE Oklahoma

24 Green Bay Matt Roth DE Iowa

25 Denver *Justin Miller CB Clemson

26 New York Jets Luis Castillo DT Northwestern

27 Atlanta Khalif Barnes OT Washington

28 San Diego Reggie Brown WR Georgia

29 Indianapolis Marlin Jackson CB Michigan

30 Pittsburgh Demarcus Ware LB Troy State

31 Philadelphia *Odell Thurman LB Georgia

32 New England *Channing Crowder LB Florida



Second round

33 San Francisco *Thomas Davis FS Georgia

34 Cleveland Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma

35 Philadelphia (from Miami) *Ciatrick Fason RB Florida

36 Tampa Bay David Baas C/G Michigan

37 Tennessee Matt Jones WR Arkansas

38 Oakland *Fabian Washington CB Nebraska

39 Chicago Alex Smith TE Stanford

40 New Orleans (from Washington) Atiyyah Ellison DT Missouri

41 Detroit *Brodney Pool FS Oklahoma

42 Dallas Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee

43 New York Giants *C.J. Moseley DT Missouri

44 Arizona Corey Webster CB LSU

45 Carolina Elton Brown OG Virginia

46 Kansas City Mike Patterson DT Southern California

47 Houston Eric Green CB Virginia Tech

48 Cincinnati Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska

49 Minnesota *Ernest Shazor SS Michigan

50 St. Louis Marcus Johnson OG Mississippi

51 Green Bay (from New Orleans) *Brandon Browner DB Oregon State

52 Jacksonville Justin Tuck DE Notre Dame

53 Baltimore Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin

54 Seattle *Daryl Blackstock LB Virginia

55 Buffalo Chris Colmer OT North Carolina State

56 Denver Jonathan Babineaux DT Iowa

57 New York Jets Bryant McFadden CB Florida State

58 Green Bay Andrew Walter QB Arizona State

59 Atlanta *Chris Henry WR West Virginia

60 Indianapolis *Jovan Haye DE Vanderbilt

61 San Diego Chris Canty DE Virginia

62 Pittsburgh Vincent Jackson WR Northern Colorado

63 Philadelphia Cro Thorpe WR Florida State

64 New England Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma



Third round

65 San Francisco Logan Mankins OG Fresno State

66 St. Louis (from Miami) Sione Pouha DT Utah

67 Cleveland Donte Nicholson SS Oklahoma

68 Tennessee Wesley Britt OT Alabama

69 Oakland *Chris Spencer C Mississippi

70 Miami (from Chicago) Evan Mathis OG Alabama

71 Tampa Bay Adam Terry OT Syracuse

72 Detroit Adam Snyder OT Oregon

73 Houston (from Dallas) Fred Gibson WR Georgia

74 New York Giants *Josh Bullocks FS Nebraska

75 Arizona Kay-Jay Harris RB West Virginia

76 Washington Courtney Roby WR Indiana

77 Philadelphia (from Kansas City) Chris Kemoeatu OG Utah

78 Houston Micahel Munoz OT Tennessee

79 Carolina *Marion Barber RB Minnesota

80 Minnesota Mike Nugent PK Ohio State

81 St. Louis Jason Campbell QB Auburn

82 New Orleans *Rian Wallace LB Temple

83 Cincinnati Stanley Wilson CB Stanford

84 Baltimore Jeremy Parquet OT Southern Mississippi

85 Seattle J.J. Arrington RB California

86 Buffalo Claude Terrell OG New Mexico

87 Jacksonville *Eric Shelton RB Louisville

88 New York Jets Jerome Mathis WR Hampton

89 Green Bay Alfred Fincher LB UConn

Denver - lost due to salary cap violations

90 Atlanta Ronald Bartell CB Howard

91 Tampa Bay (from San Diego) Anthony Bryant DT Alabama

92 Indianapolis Kirk Morrison LB San Diego State

93 Pittsburgh Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma State

94 Philadelphia Michael Boley LB Southern Mississippi

95 Arizona (from New England) Lorenzo Alexander DT California

96(c) Tennessee Charlie Frye QB Akron

97(c) Denver *Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech

98(c) Seattle Robert McCune LB Louisville

99(c) Kansas City Jordan Beck LB Cal-Poly

100(c) New England Dan Buenning OG Wisconsin

101(c) Denver Dustin Colquitt P Tennessee

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keg in kc
03-31-2005, 12:42 PM
I'd be throwing shit at my TV after that.

el borracho
03-31-2005, 12:44 PM
if this were the "Gong Show" a giant hook would appear from the edge of the screen and yank this mock away.

Mr. Laz
03-31-2005, 12:46 PM
you guys like how the nfl takes away denvers 3rd round pick because of salary cap violations and then gives them two 3rd round picks in compensation.

:banghead:

Brock
03-31-2005, 12:47 PM
Erasmus James, maybe. The rest looks questionable to say the least.

whoman69
03-31-2005, 12:52 PM
Downing, Sims, Freeman, Sharpe, Siavii. 5 DTs drafted since DV got here. No freaking way we take a DT that high. If we take the #5 rated DE with Carlos Rogers still on the board, then Carl is going to prove everything wrong I have been saying about how its not a given he will screw up our picks.

keg in kc
03-31-2005, 12:54 PM
Now that I've done a little looking, that Beck kid's actually intriguing. But the rest suck.

I'd still throw shit at my TV.

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 01:09 PM
If we take Erasmus James, I'm gonna go ballistic...

Spicy McHaggis
03-31-2005, 01:13 PM
Wow, I really hope that draft doesn't happen. My TV will have a huge hole in it if we draft James and N.O. picks Rogers right after.

Frankie
03-31-2005, 01:17 PM
Erasmus James, maybe. The rest looks questionable to say the least.
Beck at the end of the 3rd? I don't think that's a bad choice at all. Erasmus James shares my first round preference with Carlos Rogers. So my only objection to the above mock is the 2nd rd choice.

Frankie
03-31-2005, 01:18 PM
If we take Erasmus James, I'm gonna go ballistic...

I'd love that pick. Either him or Rogers.

philfree
03-31-2005, 01:25 PM
I love the 2nd round pick. If Patterson's still available when we get to our 2nd pick I'd have the card turned in within 5 ticks of the clock. That is of course providing we've taking care of our needs at CB.

PhilFree :arrow:

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 01:34 PM
Frankie, have you seen James play?

1) His size. He's only about 260 pounds, but he's almost 6'5". He's too light to bull through 330-pound OT's, but he's too tall to get under them ala Dwight Freeney.

2) His injuries. The guy has suffered through quite a few injuries the past couple of years and missed the entire 2003 season.

3) His lack of big-game skills. He's VERY raw and dominated alot of lesser competition through sheer athleticism. When I watched him play against a team like Iowa, that had very good technique OT's, he was completely neutralized.

James is, AT BEST, a project. We need production.

Coogs
03-31-2005, 01:37 PM
I love the 2nd round pick. If Patterson's still available when we get to our 2nd pick I'd have the card turned in within 5 ticks of the clock. That is of course providing we've taking care of our needs at CB.

PhilFree :arrow:

We have 4 DT's listed on the depth chart. Dalton, Saivii, Sims, and Browning. If we pick a DT in the 2nd, it means the end of one of those 4. So which one is the odd man out? Sims?

siberian khatru
03-31-2005, 01:46 PM
If we pass up Carlos Rogers and David Pollack, I'm gonna start another "F*CK YOU, CARL! F*CK YOU" thread in record time. And if we draft a DT No. 2, when we could have traded that pick for Surtain, my head's gonna explode like something from "Scanners."

nmt1
03-31-2005, 01:49 PM
If we pass up Carlos Rogers and David Pollack, I'm gonna start another "F*CK YOU, CARL! F*CK YOU" thread in record time. And if we draft a DT No. 2, when we could have traded that pick for Surtain, my head's gonna explode like something from "Scanners."

Sorry but you better start that thread now. Predicting who the Chiefs will draft is worse than predicting the weather.

Spicy McHaggis
03-31-2005, 01:58 PM
After reconsidering I've realized the only person I have a problem with in this draft is James. Patterson is a good value in the second but Ruud is still on the board but I could live with it if we got Beck in the 3rd. I might be eating crow for this later but I think James has much more potential to be a bust than a boom.

Coogs
03-31-2005, 02:09 PM
I know you shouldn't do this, label a player by where they come from, but when I think of D-linemen from Wisconsin, I can't help but think of Wendell Bryant. Nearly everyone thought he was going to be a stud. Instead he is a bust. Makes me wonder about James being overrated a bit too.

Mike Grose
03-31-2005, 02:27 PM
If a CB isn't picked anywhere in the first three rounds by the Chiefs, then CP deserves to be fired.

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 02:33 PM
If a CB isn't picked anywhere in the first three rounds by the Chiefs, then CP deserves to be fired.

I agree.

I think if we get Law or Surtain, there's a good chance we don't draft a CB on the first day.

However, I do know Gunther has expressed his wish for both a FA starter and a drafted CB.

Mr. Laz
03-31-2005, 02:35 PM
If a CB isn't picked anywhere in the first three rounds by the Chiefs, then CP deserves to be fired.

i don't see how even a 3rd round pick is acceptable unless we get surtain or law.


we MUST hit on a good CB this year or we are hurtin' bad

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 02:36 PM
i don't see how even a 3rd round pick is acceptable unless we get surtain or law.


we MUST hit on a good CB this year or we are hurtin' bad

I think even if we get Surtain or Law we must hit on a good CB. After all, with Law's age/injury and Surtain's reported degenerative knee, we're going to be doing this again in a couple of years if we don't address it now.

Mr. Laz
03-31-2005, 02:42 PM
I think even if we get Surtain or Law we must hit on a good CB. After all, with Law's age/injury and Surtain's reported degenerative knee, we're going to be doing this again in a couple of years if we don't address it now.
yep ... warfield isn't getting any younger either.

he's in his 9th year??? i think ... he took so long to develop that we have to start looking for another guy for him too.

also his alchohol issues have to take into consideration


our defense is just a mess :(

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 02:53 PM
yep ... warfield isn't getting any younger either.

he's in his 9th year??? i think ... he took so long to develop that we have to start looking for another guy for him too.

also his alchohol issues have to take into consideration


our defense is just a mess :(

Yeah, Warfield took so long to develop that people still consider him "young".

In reality, he's 3 months OLDER than Patrick Surtain.

Dave Lane
03-31-2005, 03:00 PM
I'd be throwing shit at my TV after that.

I'd be picking things out of the glass so I could take it to the dumpster if this happened!

Dave

Dave Lane
03-31-2005, 03:06 PM
i don't see how even a 3rd round pick is acceptable unless we get surtain or law.


we MUST hit on a good CB this year or we are hurtin' bad

We HAVE to get 2 CBs this offseason or we are forked!

Dave

ChiefsCountry
03-31-2005, 03:16 PM
The only DE I want in the first round is Marcus Spears. Other than that pick a CB.

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 03:17 PM
The only DE I want in the first round is Marcus Spears. Other than that pick a CB.

Spears is another guy I'm not high on. He's big and has physical skills, but the handful of times I saw him play he was a non-factor. Supposedly, the knock on him is that he just doesn't try very hard. We've already got one of those in Ryan Sims...

CosmicPal
03-31-2005, 03:37 PM
I don't like that mock at all....

James, I can be happy with at the first pick, but Patterson and the OG in the third- no way! Nothing wrong with Patterson, but Carl- listen to me, please- YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PICK A DT. Don't pick another one. Particularly when there are still a lot of good players left on the board in the second round, which will be lost due to the fact we should be getting Surtain. But, let's say we do have the 2nd rounder- I say pick up one of the following in the 2nd round, which would be better for us than Patterson:

Blackstock, LB, Virginia
McFadden, CB, FSU
Browner, DB, Oregon St.
Tuck, DE, Notre Dame
Canty, DE, Virginia
or Ruud, LB, Nebraska

Any of those guys will be better than Patterson. Damn, if all of those guys would be available in the 2nd round- trade down, pick up an extra pick and get two of those guys.

For the third round, instead of the guard, I'd love to see us get either Courtney Roby, WR, Indiana OR Robert McCune, LB, Louisville.

Lastly, the Jorden Beck pick would be awesome! I'd be elated if he fell to us there, but I doubt that would happen.

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 03:39 PM
I don't like that mock at all....

James, I can be happy with at the first pick, but Patterson and the OG in the third- no way! Nothing wrong with Patterson, but Carl- listen to me, please- YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PICK A DT. Don't pick another one. Particularly when there are still a lot of good players left on the board in the second round, which will be lost due to the fact we should be getting Surtain. But, let's say we do have the 2nd rounder- I say pick up one of the following in the 2nd round, which would be better for us than Patterson:

Blackstock, LB, Virginia
McFadden, CB, FSU
Browner, DB, Oregon St.
Tuck, DE, Notre Dame
Canty, DE, Virginia
or Ruud, LB, Nebraska

Any of those guys will be better than Patterson. Damn, if all of those guys would be available in the 2nd round- trade down, pick up an extra pick and get two of those guys.

For the third round, instead of the guard, I'd love to see us get either Courtney Roby, WR, Indiana OR Robert McCune, LB, Louisville.

Lastly, the Jorden Beck pick would be awesome! I'd be elated if he fell to us there, but I doubt that would happen.

Wow.

I can't decide which I like less - the mock draft originally posted, or your list...

Sorry.

CosmicPal
03-31-2005, 03:50 PM
Wow.

I can't decide which I like less - the mock draft originally posted, or your list...

Sorry.

Care to elaborate further, hotshot?

philfree
03-31-2005, 03:51 PM
I don't like that mock at all....

James, I can be happy with at the first pick, but Patterson and the OG in the third- no way! Nothing wrong with Patterson, but Carl- listen to me, please- YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PICK A DT. Don't pick another one. Particularly when there are still a lot of good players left on the board in the second round, which will be lost due to the fact we should be getting Surtain. But, let's say we do have the 2nd rounder- I say pick up one of the following in the 2nd round, which would be better for us than Patterson:

Blackstock, LB, Virginia
McFadden, CB, FSU
Browner, DB, Oregon St.
Tuck, DE, Notre Dame
Canty, DE, Virginia
or Ruud, LB, Nebraska

Any of those guys will be better than Patterson. Damn, if all of those guys would be available in the 2nd round- trade down, pick up an extra pick and get two of those guys.

For the third round, instead of the guard, I'd love to see us get either Courtney Roby, WR, Indiana OR Robert McCune, LB, Louisville.

Lastly, the Jorden Beck pick would be awesome! I'd be elated if he fell to us there, but I doubt that would happen.

It's all speculation but i think you're wrong about all those guys being better then Patterson. I think he'd be great with the way we rotate or linemen and we could get alot out of his interior pass rush skills.

PhilFree :arrow:

Big Chief Homer
03-31-2005, 04:08 PM
If they take a DE in the first and a DT in the second i'm gonna go fuggin' Ballistic.

Maybe i really should go to work that day.

CosmicPal
03-31-2005, 04:29 PM
It's all speculation but i think you're wrong about all those guys being better then Patterson. I think he'd be great with the way we rotate or linemen and we could get alot out of his interior pass rush skills.

PhilFree :arrow:

Quite honestly, I don't know enough of Patterson, but my discourse is not so much with Patterson, but the fact that we would be drafting a DT in the 2nd round when clearly, we have so many other needs to be filled.

But, what really gets me, is the fact that we've done nothing but draft DT's it seems. It's like trying to hit the bulls-eye, only instead of having three darts- Carl is using a hundred darts, and STILL can't hit the bulls-eye. That's my problem.

Patterson may clearly be the better player than all of those I suggested in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but I just feel those players would better improve our needs.

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 04:45 PM
Care to elaborate further, hotshot?

Hey, there's no need to call names here. I'm sorry if my post sounded condescending, I didn't mean it that way. I was just stating that I don't like your list.

I've elaborated on why several times ad nauseum, but I'll do it again since I apparently offended you.

First of all, I'm looking for guys that can contribute Day 1 -- that means polish, and it means taking guys with good fundamentals that were productive in college over guys with good 40 times and lots of upside.

Guys I would target:
Marlin Jackson
David Pollack
Carlos Rogers
Matt Roth

Blackstock - everything I've read and seen tells me he's a one-dimensional pass rush specialist. I want day 1 impact out of this draft and, regardless of talent, he won't have impact if he's only on the field in 3rd-and-long situations. Analysis: Project, not polished

Browner - only 2 years of organized ball...pretty much ALL upside with very little experience. Analysis: Project, not polished

Tuck - the only thing that worries me here is that I read his reports and often see "tweener". With the Chiefs, that scares me. Plus, he seems to be a carbon-bopy of Jared Allen and we really need a replacement for Eric Hicks.

McFadden - I actually like this one...

Canty - I worry about his injury status. If that's OK, he could be a good NFL DE.

I really like your idea of going for Roby later.

CosmicPal
03-31-2005, 05:00 PM
Hey, there's no need to call names here. I'm sorry if my post sounded condescending, I didn't mean it that way. I was just stating that I don't like your list.

I've elaborated on why several times ad nauseum, but I'll do it again since I apparently offended you.

First of all, I'm looking for guys that can contribute Day 1 -- that means polish, and it means taking guys with good fundamentals that were productive in college over guys with good 40 times and lots of upside.

Guys I would target:
Marlin Jackson
David Pollack
Carlos Rogers
Matt Roth

Blackstock - everything I've read and seen tells me he's a one-dimensional pass rush specialist. I want day 1 impact out of this draft and, regardless of talent, he won't have impact if he's only on the field in 3rd-and-long situations. Analysis: Project, not polished

Browner - only 2 years of organized ball...pretty much ALL upside with very little experience. Analysis: Project, not polished

Tuck - the only thing that worries me here is that I read his reports and often see "tweener". With the Chiefs, that scares me. Plus, he seems to be a carbon-bopy of Jared Allen and we really need a replacement for Eric Hicks.

McFadden - I actually like this one...

Canty - I worry about his injury status. If that's OK, he could be a good NFL DE.

I really like your idea of going for Roby later.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Didn't mean to call you "hotshot" never really meant to imply anything other than a little sarcasm.

I LOVE all of these guys you mentioned: Marlin Jackson, David Pollack,
Carlos Rogers, and Matt Roth! But, all of these guys will be gone in the 2nd round. With the exception of Jackson and Roth, I'd rather have Pollack and Rogers over Eramus James.

I was merely focusing on the second round selections over Patterson. I really don't expect us to get anything other than a "project" in the second round, but if we were to draft a DB in the second round- that DB just might be a better nickle back than Battle or Bartee.

I'm just not happy with picking up a DT in the second round- hence all my other choices as listed earlier.

I do love those four guys you mentioned, and would be absolutely elated to have any of them- particularly if any of them fell in the 2nd round, but I don't see that happening.

Mr. Laz
03-31-2005, 05:10 PM
a big problem is that there guys we probably are going to need in the 2nd round and miami wants a 2nd round for surtain.


trading for surtain undercuts our drafting a potientially key guy.


like if jackson or roth are there in the 2nd ... but our 2nd is gone for surtain.


:(


dammit ... we should of signed a CB in free agency :cuss:

milkman
03-31-2005, 07:46 PM
Is Jordan Beck a late third round pick?

He played at Cal Poly Slo, not exactly a powerhouse.

milkman
03-31-2005, 07:48 PM
I'd also have to say that picking James, when there are quality CBs there would really be moronic.

Andin round 2, if we don't trade the pick for Surtain, there's no way we should be taking a DT.
That pick would have to be LB.

Bowser
03-31-2005, 07:50 PM
Hell, any one of us could pull names out of a hat as well as this site does...

milkman
03-31-2005, 07:56 PM
a big problem is that there guys we probably are going to need in the 2nd round and miami wants a 2nd round for surtain.


trading for surtain undercuts our drafting a potientially key guy.


like if jackson or roth are there in the 2nd ... but our 2nd is gone for surtain.


:(


dammit ... we should of signed a CB in free agency :cuss:

This is why I am hoping that Carl will not only pull the trigger on Surtain, but that he'll trade down in the first, and pick up a 2nd.
There really are a lot of players in the 2nd round that could contribute on D for us.

I know, this is the real world, and I'm just dreaming.
But sometimes, even a cynic like me has to have a dream.

Dammit Carl! :cuss:

Mr. Laz
03-31-2005, 08:02 PM
Hell, any one of us could pull names out of a hat as well as this site does...

that's not true ... i've seen a ranking of the history of correct predictions etc and they had GBN 3rd with like 75% correct.

Bowser
03-31-2005, 08:10 PM
that's not true ... i've seen a ranking of the history of correct predictions etc and they had GBN 3rd with like 75% correct.

Well, I hope for the sake of the Chiefs that this isn't true....

Mr. Laz
03-31-2005, 08:14 PM
Well, I hope for the sake of the Chiefs that this isn't true....
ROFL ROFL

i didn't say any particular pick was correct... just that they aren't without some credibility

Tribal Warfare
03-31-2005, 09:01 PM
like I said if KC doesn't make a play for Derrick Johnson at the #9 or #10 range I'll be pissed

Manila-Chief
04-01-2005, 02:59 AM
I think even if we get Surtain or Law we must hit on a good CB. After all, with Law's age/injury and Surtain's reported degenerative knee, we're going to be doing this again in a couple of years if we don't address it now.

I disagree with this 2nd. round Mock pick .... coz ... I hope we don't have it ... seems as if Miami will not release Surtain for a 4th. round pick so I hope it is spent on Surtain.

Rufusmage, I fully agree. My reading of Rodgers ... it looks like he has the posibility of becoming an impact CB. So, if he falls to us I hope we grab him. As someone said on here elsewhere ... Warfield is a few months older than Sutrain so we need youth to be developed. Also, I don't see too many that will fall to us that has the possibility of making an impact.

I agree with one of you .... these guys don't know much about the Chief's needs. It is really a Mock draft. Our FO has determined that CB, LB, and S were our positions of greatest need. I think I remember them saying that DL were our strongest group. So, why would they use a 1st. and 2nd. on DL? Maybe one of those but not both of them...

philfree
04-01-2005, 03:23 AM
Quite honestly, I don't know enough of Patterson, but my discourse is not so much with Patterson, but the fact that we would be drafting a DT in the 2nd round when clearly, we have so many other needs to be filled.
But, what really gets me, is the fact that we've done nothing but draft DT's it seems. It's like trying to hit the bulls-eye, only instead of having three darts- Carl is using a hundred darts, and STILL can't hit the bulls-eye. That's my problem.

Patterson may clearly be the better player than all of those I suggested in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but I just feel those players would better improve our needs.

If we're trying to fill needs with our 2nd round pick via the draft(instead of trading for Surtain ie) our chances of success will be slim. As much as I do believe we should draft a cb in each of the 1st two rounds if we don't get Surtain or Law if Patterson is still available I'll be torn.


PhilFree :arrow:

Ari Chi3fs
04-01-2005, 04:07 AM
you guys like how the nfl takes away denvers 3rd round pick because of salary cap violations and then gives them two 3rd round picks in compensation.

:banghead:

no shit, if that is their punishment... I say we need to start fudging the cap...

recycle
04-01-2005, 04:21 AM
I'd love that pick. Either him or Rogers.

Don't forget Ron Goldman!

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