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BigChiefFan
03-31-2005, 03:44 PM
Just a thought, but if Miami is Hellbent on a 2nd rounder. Why not wait for the draft and trade down in the 2nd round, pickup a pick and give them a lower 2nd rounder?

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 03:46 PM
Sure. That would work.

Another reason it's not a bad idea to just wait this thing out as long as no other teams are in on the bidding.

Spokane Chief Fan
03-31-2005, 03:53 PM
How about next years second? It should be lower. Also I would sure like us to somehow package some picks or maybe picks and a safety to move up this year and get Derrick Johnson. I think he is going to be one hell of a disruptive force.

Hoover
03-31-2005, 03:54 PM
Great Idea, but it would just be a second day pick, and Miami has to have the hots for whoever is on the board

htismaqe
03-31-2005, 03:56 PM
How about next years second? It should be lower. Also I would sure like us to somehow package some picks or maybe picks and a safety to move up this year and get Derrick Johnson. I think he is going to be one hell of a disruptive force.

I'm never in favor of trading next year's picks...

BigChiefFan
03-31-2005, 03:56 PM
Great Idea, but it would just be a second day pick, and Miami has to have the hots for whoever is on the board
I think we have discussions prior to the draft and see what Miami would be willing to accept in the 2nd round. The fins don't even have a 2nd rounder, so I'm sure they would be happy just to have one.

Hoover
03-31-2005, 03:56 PM
How about next years second? It should be lower. Also I would sure like us to somehow package some picks or maybe picks and a safety to move up this year and get Derrick Johnson. I think he is going to be one hell of a disruptive force.
They want a 2nd this year because they don't have one.

BigChiefFan
03-31-2005, 03:57 PM
How about next years second? It should be lower. Also I would sure like us to somehow package some picks or maybe picks and a safety to move up this year and get Derrick Johnson. I think he is going to be one hell of a disruptive force.
I'd rather trade next year's pick as well, but Miami doesn't have alot of picks this year. They will certainly want at least one pick this year.

Mr. Laz
03-31-2005, 04:04 PM
Just a thought, but if Miami is Hellbent on a 2nd rounder. Why not wait for the draft and trade down in the 2nd round, pickup a pick and give them a lower 2nd rounder?

only problems is that you usually can't trade down until draft time and another team sees somebody they want.

you gonna be on the clock with miami for a trade for surtain and on another team to trade down.

cutting it kinda close on the time there


not to mention whether Miami gets pissed and says they don't want a lower 2nd rounder when the trade happens right then.

carlos3652
03-31-2005, 04:09 PM
How about next years second? It should be lower. Also I would sure like us to somehow package some picks or maybe picks and a safety to move up this year and get Derrick Johnson. I think he is going to be one hell of a disruptive force.

Not next years, if Miami wants to do that they keep him and franchise him or wait until he is a RFA - they would get a 3rd rounder no less...

I wouldnt mind trading our 2nd on draft day, but hopefully there are 0 teams interested at that point. Trade our 1st for a low 1st and a 2nd, Trade our 2nd, get a 2nd and 3rd, trade our 3rd and 5th to Miami for Surtain and still have a pick in the 1st round, 2 2nd rounder's, Conditional 3rd on Day 1.

Day 2, give up our 4th for Sharper, get Carlos Hall with a 7th, then we have 2 5th, 2 6th and 1 7th rounders to do whatever with... get another

Hope this makes sense, I would cream my pants if we end up with 4 1st day picks after flirting with only having 1.

CB, CB, DE, WR in day 1... With Surtain in Red and Gold to boot...

And then I woke up...

BigChiefFan
03-31-2005, 04:13 PM
only problems is that you usually can't trade down until draft time and another team sees somebody they want.

you gonna be on the clock with miami for a trade for surtain and on another team to trade down.

cutting it kinda close on the time there


not to mention whether Miami gets pissed and says they don't want a lower 2nd rounder when the trade happens right then.If you trade down, You'll be on the clock later in the 2nd round and you can conduct your business then. Like I said, you talk with Miami PRIOR to the draft and ask them what they would be willing to accept in the 2nd round. They don't have a 2nd rounder, I'm sure they understand, that we have to make moves as well, to improve our team.

Logical
03-31-2005, 04:25 PM
How man Pro Bowl players has Carl drafted in the 2nd round.

Answer 0

Nuf said.

BigChiefFan
03-31-2005, 04:27 PM
How man Pro Bowl players has Carl drafted in the 2nd round.

Answer 0

Nuf said.
Exactly. I'm advocating trading the 2nd rounder for Surtain. I just think we can trade down a little and still land Surtain.

Logical
03-31-2005, 04:47 PM
Exactly. I'm advocating trading the 2nd rounder for Surtain. I just think we can trade down a little and still land Surtain.You actually trust Carl to do something that difficult successfully.

Cmon man I have more respect for you than to believe you think this is possible in the real world.

BigChiefFan
03-31-2005, 04:52 PM
You actually trust Carl to do something that difficult successfully.

Cmon man I have more respect for you than to believe you think this is possible in the real world.
I appreciate the compliment, but I think anybody who has been a GM for as long as Carl has, shouldn't have an excuse to not be able to pull this off. It's just a trade down and then trade the traded down 2nd rounder for Surtain.

Mr. Laz
03-31-2005, 06:35 PM
but I think anybody who has been a GM for as long as Carl has, shouldn't have an excuse to not be able to pull this off. It's just a trade down and then trade the traded down 2nd rounder for Surtain.
:spock:

excuse ... he don't need no stinkin' excuse

he'll do what he's done for year... he'll blame someone besides himself and then tell all the fans their too stupid to understand the complicated matters of the NFL like he does.


you don't need an excuse when your a liar and a jack@ss

CoMoChief
03-31-2005, 06:44 PM
We need to draft Matt Jones from Arkansas if hes available.

BigChiefFan
03-31-2005, 07:35 PM
:spock:

excuse ... he don't need no stinkin' excuse

he'll do what he's done for year... he'll blame someone besides himself and then tell all the fans their too stupid to understand the complicated matters of the NFL like he does.


you don't need an excuse when your a liar and a jack@ss

"shouldn't have an excuse to not be able to pull this off."

I'm saying he DOESN'T have a reason or an excuse to not be able to pull this off. It's just a trade down. Then when we are on the clock with the traded down pick, we trade with the 'fins.

I agree Carl likes to think he knows more than the average Joe, but trading down isn't brain surgery. Surely even Carl can pull off trading down. You are acting like it's an unaccomplishable feat. It isn't. As a matter of fact, if there is one GM, who knows how to trade down it's Carl Peterson.

Logical
03-31-2005, 07:39 PM
"shouldn't have an excuse to not be able to pull this off."

I'm saying he DOESN'T have a reason or an excuse to not be able to pull this off. It's just a trade down. Then when we are on the clock with the traded down pick, we trade with the 'fins.

I agree Carl likes to think he knows more than the average Joe, but trading down isn't brain surgery. Surely even Carl can pull off trading down. You are acting like it's an unaccomplishable feat. It isn't. As a matter of fact, if there is one GM, who knows how to trade down it's Carl Peterson.


Carl only trades down out of fear. You will notice he has miserable results when he does trade down. Of course Carl pretty much loses in every trade he makes so this is no suprise. But over the years it has been pretty clear to me that when Carl is unprepared because his planned pick was taken already he trades down out of fear in a lame attempt to gain more time to recover. This is how we end up with a Trezelle Jenkins and a running back when all our needs are on the defensive side of the field.

BigChiefFan
03-31-2005, 07:54 PM
Carl only trades down out of fear. You will notice he has miserable results when he does trade down. Of course Carl pretty much loses in every trade he makes so this is no suprise. But over the years it has been pretty clear to me that when Carl is unprepared because his planned pick was taken already he trades down out of fear in a lame attempt to gain more time to recover. This is how we end up with a Trezelle Jenkins and a running back when all our needs are on the defensive side of the field.
I take SOME solice in knowing that Gunther has had his say in the players to go after in FA this year. I also believe Carl will take Gunther's opinion with more merit this year as well. That being said, if we give up the 2nd rounder for Surtain, I would have to give Carl credit for making an astounding acquisition for a 2nd rounder in Surtain. Carl's drafts haven't been great, but any competent GM should be able to trade down with a fair amount of ease.

milkman
03-31-2005, 08:00 PM
I take SOME solice in knowing that Gunther has had his say in the players to go after in FA this year. I also believe Carl will take Gunther's opinion with more merit this year as well. That being said, if we give up the 2nd rounder for Surtain, I would have to give Carl credit for making an astounding acquisition for a 2nd rounder in Surtain. Carl's drafts haven't been great, but any competent GM should be able to trade down with a fair amount of ease.

I just don't get why people think that Gun is such a good talent evaluator.
He is, I believe, in part responsible for the likes of Bartee, Patrick Dennis and Frank Moreau, among others.

While I have a low opinion of Marty's style of play, and his game decisions in the playoffs, I am almost certain that he was the man responsible for the defensive talent the Chiefs had when he was the coach.

Gun is a (slightly) above average DC, but I really am leary of his eye for talent.

BTW, I know that Moreau was a RB.

BigChiefFan
03-31-2005, 08:03 PM
I just don't get why people think that Gun is such a good talent evaluator.
He is, I believe, in part responsible for the likes of Bartee, Patrick Dennis and Frank Moreau, among others.

While I have a low opinion of Marty's style of play, and his game decisions in the playoffs, I am almost certain that he was the man responsible for the defensive talent the Chiefs had when he was the coach.

Gun is a (slightly) above average DC, but I really am leary of his eye for talent.

BTW, I know that Moreau was a RB.
He's also responsible for bringing in Sammy Knight and Kendrell Bell. He molded Keith Bulluck into a stud LBer and he has taken players like Tracy Simien and still had damn good defenses. Don't sell Gunther short. He knows defense.