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oaklandhater
04-02-2005, 04:12 AM
What do you guys think the Best Mob movie is

Fire Me Boy!
04-02-2005, 04:12 AM
The Godfather, no question.

Fire Me Boy!
04-02-2005, 04:13 AM
Followed by The Godfather II and The Usual Suspects (Keiser Soze was part of the mob).

Fire Me Boy!
04-02-2005, 04:18 AM
My gawd... 10 of the 15 choices either star Robert DeNiro or Al Pacino. That's awesome.

oaklandhater
04-02-2005, 04:19 AM
Followed by The Godfather II and The Usual Suspects (Keiser Soze was part of the mob).


The Godfather 3 kinda of ruined the hole trillogy for me

oaklandhater
04-02-2005, 04:20 AM
My gawd... 10 of the 15 choices either star Robert DeNiro or Al Pacino. That's awesome.


Most of the Best Mob Movies they were in

Fire Me Boy!
04-02-2005, 04:22 AM
The Godfather 3 kinda of ruined the hole trillogy for me
GF3 shouldn't affect anyone's love for either of the other 2 films... it would have been TONS better if they'd spent the damn money to get Robert Duvall and Coppola had the sense to NOT cast his damn daughter. Originally, Winona Rider was cast for the role (I believe), but turned it down last minute -- I think to do Edward Scissorhands. If she'd kept the part and they'd paid Duvall the $$$ he wanted, it would have been a lot better.

oaklandhater
04-02-2005, 04:26 AM
GF3 shouldn't affect anyone's love for either of the other 2 films... it would have been TONS better if they'd spent the damn money to get Robert Duvall and Coppola had the sense to NOT cast his damn daughter. Originally, Winona Rider was cast for the role (I believe), but turned it down last minute -- I think to do Edward Scissorhands. If she'd kept the part and they'd paid Duvall the $$$ he wanted, it would have been a lot better.


i all most Cryed when i heard Robert Duvall wasnt comeing back One of the biggest let downs ive ever had. ON that note i wanted to smile when his daughter was shot at the end.

FloridaChief
04-02-2005, 04:35 AM
Since we're on the subject, here's a little something I found in my local paper today....

`Godfather!: The Musical' Celebrates Family Life
By Bob Ross Of The Tampa Tribune
Published: Apr 1, 2005

It worked well for ``The Producers,'' ``Hairspray'' and ``Chicago.'' So it seems natural that the newest movie-musical conversion looms as inevitable as it is uncalled for.

Thirty-three years after emerging as one of America's most beloved film classics, the all-time gangster-family favorite ``The Godfather'' is being developed as a Hollywood musical.

Combining the miracle of computer-generated imagery with the latest in pop-music sensibilities, the big-budget, song-and-dance filled ``Godfather! The Musical'' will bring the Corleone clan closer to today's young moviegoers, many of whom think ``gangster'' yarns are confined to hip-hop conflicts and clothing lines.

Producer Albert S. Ruddy and director Francis Ford Coppola have already passed the highest hurdle facing their project: The filmmakers have obtained rights (not cheaply, of course) from the Marlon Brando estate to use the legendary actor's image to reprise his Oscar-winning role as Don Vito Corleone.

Using digital re-creations of Brando's famous face and voice, Coppola will turn the jowly crime boss into a singing inspiration for his wife (``I'll Take Care of Everything''), his daughter (``Keep Carlo at Home'') and his fiery eldest son (``A Real Man Spends Time With His Family'').

To create Brando's vocal parts, sound technicians will sample his songs from ``Guys and Dolls,'' so that ``Luck Be a Lady'' will find new life as, say, ``Luca, Be a Friend.''

In another ``Guys and Dolls'' homage, big-shot producer Jack Woltz will greet Don Corleone's emissary Tom Hagen with an updated version of ``Fugue for Tinhorns,'' best known for its round-robin lyric ``I got the horse right here.''

Because this ``Godfather'' is a musical, you can expect less gore than in the 1972 original. The violence will be stylized a la ``West Side Story,'' with gun battles staged as tasteful showdowns. Even James Caan's notorious demise at a New Jersey toll booth will be reworked more as a ballet than a bloodbath.

``From the opening wedding banquet to the final, tentative understanding between Michael and Kay, this story is rich with lyrical potential,'' says Coppola, who adds that he hopes his director-daughter Sofia will be available to help him bring the venerated ``Godfather'' archetype into a context that younger audiences will appreciate.

Even Al Pacino and Diane Keaton are expected to return as the war hero and schoolteacher whose love is challenged by conflicting family obligations. Their big musical number will be ``You Must Believe, That's My Family, Not Me.''

Tampa Trib (http://tampatrib.com/Entertainment/MGBF9RQKX6E.html)

Fire Me Boy!
04-02-2005, 04:36 AM
Dated yesterday... April Fools.

mcan
04-02-2005, 04:37 AM
I loved the Godfather 3. Sophia was barely adequate, but she is damned cute, and fits the role. Clearly she's found her calling as a director though (Lost in Translation and The Virgin Suicides are both fantastic).


The third film wraps up what is essentially Michael's story, so I'm definately against a fourth movie. But, the whole movie is worth it for me just to see Pacino's performance when he gives confession, and finally breaks down for killing Freido... Just amazing. It's one of those absolution movies, and I think it's only considered sub-par because it's held up against two of the best films ever made.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's still a better movie than most of the others on this list...


I voted for The Godfather...

FloridaChief
04-02-2005, 04:43 AM
Dated yesterday... April Fools.

It had better be...

Fire Me Boy!
04-02-2005, 04:44 AM
I loved the Godfather 3. Sophia was barely adequate, but she is damned cute, and fits the role. Clearly she's found her calling as a director though (Lost in Translation and The Virgin Suicides are both fantastic).


The third film wraps up what is essentially Michael's story, so I'm definately against a fourth movie. But, the whole movie is worth it for me just to see Pacino's performance when he gives confession, and finally breaks down for killing Freido... Just amazing. It's one of those absolution movies, and I think it's only considered sub-par because it's held up against two of the best films ever made.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's still a better movie than most of the others on this list...


I voted for The Godfather...
I enjoyed GF3, but since it's the ending of a trilogy, it HAS to be held up against the previous films. I too enjoy the that confession scene, it is truly amazing. And just for the record, there will not be a fourth film. Coppola owns the rights to the franchise, and he as publicly said, unequivocally, there will NOT be a fourth film unless Puzo pens the screenplay... since he's dead, it ain't happening.

As for Sophia Coppola being cute... today, she's not bad. Then, dog friggin' ugly, if you ask me. But she's a terrible actress (phenomenal director).

Fire Me Boy!
04-02-2005, 04:45 AM
It had better be...
No way that happens. Besides, for any amount of realism, do you realize how old Don Corleone would have to be to be Michael's father if Michael is played by a 64 y/o Pacino? It'd be like "The Godfather -- The Geriatric Version." It would have been more believable if Pacino would be playing Vito as a sort of cameo performance.

BIG_DADDY
04-02-2005, 04:50 AM
There certainly may be better but I have watched scarface more than any movie ever so it would be a sin to not cast my vote for Tony.

mcan
04-02-2005, 05:01 AM
I enjoyed GF3, but since it's the ending of a trilogy, it HAS to be held up against the previous films. I too enjoy the that confession scene, it is truly amazing. And just for the record, there will not be a fourth film. Coppola owns the rights to the franchise, and he as publicly said, unequivocally, there will NOT be a fourth film unless Puzo pens the screenplay... since he's dead, it ain't happening.

As for Sophia Coppola being cute... today, she's not bad. Then, dog friggin' ugly, if you ask me. But she's a terrible actress (phenomenal director).


Actually, I had heard that Puzo really wanted to write a fourth film and was working on several script treatments before he died. But, Coppola thought that the Godfather was Michael's story, and so it was over when Micheal died in the third film.

Then they kicked around ideas about doing a "next generation" Godfather film with Andy Garcia as an older Don Vincent, but distancing it from the Godfather trilogy, or making it a mini series...

Fire Me Boy!
04-02-2005, 05:05 AM
Actually, I had heard that Puzo really wanted to write a fourth film and was working on several script treatments before he died. But, Coppola thought that the Godfather was Michael's story, and so it was over when Micheal died in the third film.

Then they kicked around ideas about doing a "next generation" Godfather film with Andy Garcia as an older Don Vincent, but distancing it from the Godfather trilogy, or making it a mini series...
I saw a thread on this a few months ago... I don't personally believe it. I remember when Puzo died, the media asked Coppola if he'd be doing a fourth film and that's when he said (as I remember it), "No," for the reasons I mentioned.

mcan
04-02-2005, 05:09 AM
I saw a thread on this a few months ago... I don't personally believe it. I remember when Puzo died, the media asked Coppola if he'd be doing a fourth film and that's when he said (as I remember it), "No," for the reasons I mentioned.


Yeah, I'm sure your right. The information I got was from the Godfather boxed set special features. Puzo was alive and they interviewed him, and he was all for it. In fact, I kinda got the feeling that this is all Puzo's life was about, and he sensed that he better do one more thing before he passed. As much as a fourth Godfather film wouldn't make any sense to me, I kinda feel bad that Puzo didn't get to do it...

FloridaChief
04-02-2005, 05:16 AM
The persistant rumor I've heard is that Puzo was toying w/ the idea of writing a prequel of sorts detailing the first war between the Five Families.

Fire Me Boy!
04-02-2005, 05:17 AM
I never heard that one... could be interesting, but generally speaking I'm getting REALLY tired of Hollywood's insistence on making prequels, sequels and remakes.

KCWolfman
04-02-2005, 09:09 AM
GF3 shouldn't affect anyone's love for either of the other 2 films... it would have been TONS better if they'd spent the damn money to get Robert Duvall and Coppola had the sense to NOT cast his damn daughter. Originally, Winona Rider was cast for the role (I believe), but turned it down last minute -- I think to do Edward Scissorhands. If she'd kept the part and they'd paid Duvall the $$$ he wanted, it would have been a lot better.
Tom Hagen has nothing to do with the family in latter novel. He is busy setting up his own version of a political mob on the East Coast.

However, on the second part you are right.

KCWolfman
04-02-2005, 09:19 AM
Actually, I had heard that Puzo really wanted to write a fourth film and was working on several script treatments before he died. But, Coppola thought that the Godfather was Michael's story, and so it was over when Micheal died in the third film.

Then they kicked around ideas about doing a "next generation" Godfather film with Andy Garcia as an older Don Vincent, but distancing it from the Godfather trilogy, or making it a mini series...
It has already been written a few months ago, and fills in the gaps nicely between sequels. It is The Godfather Returns written by Mark Winegardner (sp?).

The book gets big into minor characters like Fredo, Johnny Fontane, and Tom Hagen. Also, my favorite character in the book, Nick Geraci, is new and adds a decent rival for Michael.

It is not the Godfather, hell it's not even Omerta, but it is better than most of the other novels by Puzo.

Otter
04-02-2005, 11:07 AM
If you’re looking for a somewhat cerebral and realistic movie then you go Godfather I & II.

If you’re looking for some kick ass entertainment mafia style, Goodfellas.

Goodfellas by a nose.

Frazod
04-02-2005, 11:22 AM
Obviously The Godfather rules all mob movies.

Of the others on the list:

Casino - thought it sucked. At least Scorsese ripped himself off when he made a bad copy of Goodfellas

Goodfellas - Brilliant. In my collection.

Donnie Brasco - great flick. In my collection.

Scarfare - great flick. In my collection.

Untouchables - I liked it alot better before I learned it was almost complete fiction (kind of like Memphis Belle). Still, it was awesome, and I can't help but think about it when I see some of the various spots they filmed scenes downtown. This is one of the VHS tapes I have that I need to upgrade.

Carlito's Way - one saw it once. Don't remember much about it, other than not being terribly impressed.

Godfather Part II - Obviously great, but not quite as great as the first one. I've got the DVD set of three.

Once Upon a Time in America - F#CKING SUCKED MY ASS. It is incomprehensible to me how people like this bloated piece of shit. Overraught, overlong, disjointed, and devoid of any character I could have the slightest amount of sympathy for. The Moonstruck of mob movies. Yuck. I bought it on DVD having never seen it and promptly gave it away just to get it the hell out of my house.

Gotti - excellent. I don't know if it's out on DVD, but if it is I'll get it.

Boss of Bosses and Bronx Tale - never seen either of them.

Godfather III - living proof that one bad actress can ruin an otherwise great film. Sofia Coppola SUCKS MY ASS. What was her father thinking? She destroys every scene she's in.

Miller's Crossing - one of my favorites. I bought it on DVD the day it came out.

Road to Perdition - This is my personal choice for Number 2 right behind the Godfather. Magnificent film. In the collection.

NOT ON THE LIST

Billy Bathgate. Ironically I picked up the DVD just last night. Great story and peformances, plus full frontal nudity from Nicole Kidman.

Bugsy. Great flick. In the collection.

And another one that I might pick up - Mobsters. Not on par with some of the others listed, but still very entertaining. Covers the early days of the Luciano, Lansky and Seigal.

BigOlChiefsfan
04-02-2005, 02:36 PM
Fuggedaboudit. It's da Godfaddah, all da way. Part 2 places a close second. Goodfellahs showed in thoid. Millah's Crossing finished next, just outta da money. THEN comes da Godfaddah part III, ba da bing! What was Coppola thinking, with da daughter and all? That freakin' mook.
All da rest is a buncha also-rans, tho' some show promise of steppin' up in class.

Leave the gun, take the cannolli.

Brock
04-02-2005, 02:37 PM
I don't really consider The Godfather movies to be about the mob. I'd say by far the most realistic mob movie has to be Donnie Brasco.

gblowfish
04-02-2005, 02:48 PM
"My Blue Heaven." Steve Martin as a mobster. Chilling. Frightening.
Can I have another Prozac now? :banghead:

Otter
04-02-2005, 03:46 PM
I don't really consider The Godfather movies to be about the mob. I'd say by far the most realistic mob movie has to be Donnie Brasco.

If you had to summarize, what would you say The Godfather is about if not organized crime (ala - the mob)?

Nzoner
04-02-2005, 04:20 PM
Anyone remember the vhs set released in the 80's called The Godfather:The Complete Epic 1902-1958?

It's parts 1 & 2 shown in chronological order with some deleted scenes added back in.

I added it to my collection some years ago and have to say it is an incredible watch if you don't mind spending a full day doing it.

Deberg_1990
04-02-2005, 04:22 PM
Anyone remember the vhs set released in the 80's called The Godfather:The Complete Epic 1902-1958?

It's parts 1 & 2 shown in chronological order with some deleted scenes added back in.

I added it to my collection some years ago and have to say it is an incredible watch if you don't mind spending a full day doing it.

Yea, its been shown on TV a few times that way as well. I prefer Godfather I to Godfather II but thats just me.

Deberg_1990
04-02-2005, 04:24 PM
I don't really consider The Godfather movies to be about the mob. I'd say by far the most realistic mob movie has to be Donnie Brasco.

Yea, i prefer Goodfellows and Donnie Brasco to the Godfather flicks. I like how they detail the everyday joe blow hoodlums and not just the "made" guys.

mcan
04-02-2005, 04:42 PM
I don't really consider The Godfather movies to be about the mob. I'd say by far the most realistic mob movie has to be Donnie Brasco.


Donnie Brasco is fantastic. But I don't think your argument makes sense. Donnie Brasco is about a cop making a friend that is in the mob, and then having to betray him because of his job. It's a buddie pic, not a mob movie. On the other hand, The Godfather is a film about the maffia all the way. It's about a kid who inherits the throne of a mob family, and tries hard to do things right and it changes him into a brutal man. Meanwhile, everything about it is all mafia, mafia, mafia...

Tribal Warfare
04-02-2005, 06:54 PM
shouldn't Pulp Fiction be included? I would still vote for the Godfather though

Count Alex's Losses
04-02-2005, 07:13 PM
I actually enjoyed Goodfellas more than The Godfather so I voted for it.

Deberg_1990
04-02-2005, 07:15 PM
I actually enjoyed Goodfellas more than The Godfather so I voted for it.

Im half shocked you didnt mention Star Wars yet? In an odd way, you could consider the "Empire" as organized Crime right?? Sidious is the Godfather and Vader/Anakin is his top "made" guy?

Count Alex's Losses
04-02-2005, 07:17 PM
Im half shocked you didnt mention Star Wars yet? In an odd way, you could consider the "Empire" as organized Crime right?? Sidious is the Godfather and Vader/Anakin is his top "made" guy?

No, there is a huge difference between the Empire and organized crime. Organized crime = Jabba the Hutt.

Deberg_1990
04-02-2005, 07:24 PM
No, there is a huge difference between the Empire and organized crime. Organized crime = Jabba the Hutt.

yea, i guess your right. The Empire would actually be a form of Government.

KCinNY
04-02-2005, 08:59 PM
I'm with Otter.

Goodfellas by an eyelash over Godfathers I and II.

The book that it's based on ("Wiseguy" by Nicholas Pileggi) is excellent too.

luv
04-02-2005, 09:09 PM
I never heard that one... could be interesting, but generally speaking I'm getting REALLY tired of Hollywood's insistence on making prequels, sequels and remakes.


I think people tend to run out of ideas. They play off of old ones, or just completely try to remake something that has already been done. So many "teen flicks" are remakes of older classics, but they don't realize it cuz they weren't around for the original. I guess it can work if you wait long enough to remake something. I know we're talking about Mob Movies (I voted for GoodFellas), but an axample would be the remake of Audrey Hepburn's "Sabrina". The newer version is not nearly as good as the original, but younger people ask Audrey who? :shake:

Fire Me Boy!
04-03-2005, 09:00 AM
I think people tend to run out of ideas. They play off of old ones, or just completely try to remake something that has already been done. So many "teen flicks" are remakes of older classics, but they don't realize it cuz they weren't around for the original. I guess it can work if you wait long enough to remake something. I know we're talking about Mob Movies (I voted for GoodFellas), but an axample would be the remake of Audrey Hepburn's "Sabrina". The newer version is not nearly as good as the original, but younger people ask Audrey who? :shake:
The remake of Sabrina is decent... I'm kinda weird about that one. I like the cast better from the remake (I'll explain in a sec), but I like the original film better. My biggest problem with the original is there is NO way you can ever make Audrey Hepburn look plain. I just doesn't work for me... no makeup, hair a mess or dressed to the 9s, Audrey was always drop dead gorgeous, it didn't matter what you did to her. So the early parts of the original film just didn't do it for me. But... I know what you mean.

Baby Lee
04-03-2005, 09:13 AM
As The Godfather is among the top five films of all time for any genre, it stands to reason that it'd be the top mob movie.
But I've become fascinated in finding the mentality of organized crime throughout history and throughout ethnicities. Gangs of New York, Mean Streets, Deadwood, Miller's Crossing, Ichi the Killer, etc.

Deberg_1990
04-03-2005, 10:46 AM
. Gangs of New York, Mean Streets, Deadwood, Miller's Crossing, Ichi the Killer, etc.

Check out Boyz in the Hood and Menace II Society as well. Two of the classics of the "hood/ghetto" crime flicks.

buddha
04-03-2005, 11:20 AM
Godfather II is an amazing film. It is one of the few examples of a sequel that was better than the original. It's not MUCH better, but I think it is one of the all-time greats. I love The Usual Suspects as well. I think many of the others on the list are fairly pedestrian compared to these films.

KCWolfman
04-03-2005, 11:23 AM
Everyone is in agreement that either I or II simply lead the pack with the other right behind.

After that, I honestly liked A Bronx Tale as it was closest to reality and (incidently) loosely based on the childhood of Chaz Palminteri.

buddha
04-03-2005, 11:43 AM
Everyone is in agreement that either I or II simply lead the pack with the other right behind.



Except for those 22 people who voted for Goodfellas... :p

Goodfellas was a fine movie, but is it in the same stratosphere as Godfather I or II...? No.

chiefsfolife
04-03-2005, 12:02 PM
Snatch

chiefsfolife
04-03-2005, 12:04 PM
yea...pulp fiction was one of THEE best

Nzoner
04-03-2005, 12:29 PM
Goodfellas was a fine movie, but is it in the same stratosphere as Godfather I or II...? No.

Although I voted for The Godfather I disagree as The Godfather 1 & 2 show us the earlier years of the mob.Personally,I think each movie deserves to be classified as great especially if you break it down further as to whose eyes each film shows us the mob through,the Don and or wise guys.

Fire Me Boy!
04-03-2005, 03:37 PM
Godfather II is an amazing film. It is one of the few examples of a sequel that was better than the original.


NOPE! You're wrong. :harumph: There is no "in my opinion" here... you're just wrong. :harumph: (joking, by the way... I do think you're wrong, though... but I suppose you're entitled to your wrong opinion :p )