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Mr. Flopnuts
04-03-2005, 11:04 PM
I hate to say it, but this looks like one big rumor



http://www.examiner.net/stories/040205/spo_040205057.shtml


Saturday, April 2, 2005
Story last updated at 10:58 AM on Saturday, April 2, 2005
Chiefs deny that Surtain deal is done


Florida newspapers report that cornerback has agreed to contract


By Rick Dean
Morris News Service


Two South Florida newspapers reported Friday that the Chiefs have agreed in principal on a multi-year contract extension that would be the first step in a trade for Miami cornerback Patrick Surtain.



If those reports are true, it's news to Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil.

"I don't know if that's true or not," Vermeil said Friday. "I was with Carl (Peterson, team president) all day yesterday in Baton Rouge, and he didn't say anything about it. I think it's more of a rumor."

But even if the Chiefs and Surtain have agreed on number, Kansas City would have to secure his rights in a trade with Miami that might be more difficult to secure.

New Dolphins coach Nick Saban told south Florida reporters Thursday that the team would not compromise on its trade demand, which is believed to be a first-day pick in this year's draft.

Kansas City, which has picks in the first and second rounds plus a compensatory pick that cannot be traded late in the third round, reportedly are offering a fourth-round pick.

Both the Miami Herald and the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported that the Chiefs and representatives for Surtain had agreed on an extension to Surtain's contract that would pay a signing bonus of more than $10 million.

Surtain, a Pro Bowl cornerback in 2002 and '03 and an alternate last year, is a 28-year-old corner who has been a starter in the talent-laden Dolphins secondary since 1999, his second pro season. His 25 interceptions over the last five years are the most by an active NFL corner in that time.

He has one year remaining on his Miami contract that calls for him to receive a $6 million base salary with an $8.38 million cap number. The Dolphins, who feature a veteran corner in Sam Madison and a promising newcomer in Will Poole, gave Surtain permission in February to seek a trade.

The Chiefs, who failed in their bid to recruit free agent corner Samari Rolle of Tennessee and never even got a visit from Washington free agent Fred Smoot, have acknowledged their interest in trading for Surtain before they go into the April 23 draft.

"It would be nice if we were going to do it because that frees you up to look at other players at other positions," Vermeil said. "It allows you more flexibility."

Saban, though, says the Dolphins will be inflexible in their trade demands.

"If someone else wants to work a business deal for (Surtain), fine," Saban said. "But we will not compromise on our price. I'm not going to tell you what that is, but it's not to be compromised.

"I like Patrick and want him to be on our team," Saban added. "If he's not, it's going to be because it can't work out business-wise. I don't know if we can sign him long-term."

Chiefs notes

Vermeil said Friday that he still anticipates having nine-time Pro Bowl guard Will Shields available for duty in 2005. Shields, who has played 12 seasons and has made 192 consecutive starts for the Chiefs, is considering retirement.

"I think he's planning on playing, but he hasn't made it official," Vermeil said. "We'll get together this next week and talk about it. I expect him to (play), but I don't want to speak for him."

Chiefs free agent linebacker Monty Beisel, a Kansas native who played at Kansas State, is expected to visit the New England Patriots and Green Bay Packers soon after talking to Pittsburgh this week.

Vermeil said the Chiefs continue to be interested in retaining Beisel, who has played all three linebacker positions. "He knows we want him back, but he's also free to shop for a better opportunity," Vermeil said. "But if he isn't coming back, we need to know that, too, so that we can go on."

Chiefs Pantalones
04-03-2005, 11:07 PM
Dude, the Dolphins signed CB Mario Edwards. It's just a matter of when, not if, that Surtain is a Chief.

Only really bad luck, mixed with Carl's ego lifted to Hitler status would make this deal not happen.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-03-2005, 11:08 PM
Dude, the Dolphins signed CB Mario Edwards. It's just a matter of when, not if, that Surtain is a Chief.

Only really bad luck, mixed with Carl's ego lifted to Hitler status would make this deal not happen.


bad luck, check. hitler status, check. oh sh!t ;)

Chiefs Pantalones
04-03-2005, 11:11 PM
bad luck, check. hitler status, check. oh sh!t ;)

ROFL

Yeah, I thought that too after I read it a second time.

VonneMarie
04-03-2005, 11:12 PM
With each day passing, I'm almost sure this trade will go down on draft day.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-03-2005, 11:17 PM
ROFL

Yeah, I thought that too after I read it a second time.


I agree he will be a Chief at some point. I'm just nervous someone is going to swoop in and steal him away. He has been number 1 on my wishlist since he became available. A couple of years ago Madison, Taylor, Thomas, and Surtain were all free agents and I was praying we'd land him then. Didn't happen Miami found a way to resign them all. Now it will be doubly cruel for this Chiefs fan if he doesn't end up in Red and Gold.

HolmeZz
04-03-2005, 11:20 PM
We HAVE to deny it, people, or we have no leverage. What's not to understand?

Mr. Flopnuts
04-03-2005, 11:23 PM
We HAVE to deny it, people, or we have no leverage. What's not to understand?


Good point.

BigRedChief
04-04-2005, 02:26 PM
Fins pick up a CB.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2028891

KChiefs1
04-04-2005, 02:56 PM
I get a feeling draft day is going to be a pretty busy day for us Chiefs fans! :thumb:

Chiefs Pantalones
04-04-2005, 02:57 PM
I get a feeling draft day is going to be a pretty busy day for us Chiefs fans! :thumb:

You mean as far as us yelling at our TVs? Yep, you're right.

Wile_E_Coyote
04-04-2005, 03:12 PM
sometime before draft day Surtain is gonna need to be examined by the Chiefs docs. So the deal will have to be done or Miami lets him come to Arrowhead. Some bizzarro reason he fails it could be one hell of a mess

KCTitus
04-04-2005, 03:14 PM
You mean as far as us yelling at our TVs? Yep, you're right.

Save some anger for the planet...

ENDelt260
04-04-2005, 03:14 PM
Save some anger for the planet...
The server will crash by 10am.

KCTitus
04-04-2005, 03:16 PM
The server will crash by 10am.

I hope not, KC wont even have picked until 1pm-1.30pm

ENDelt260
04-04-2005, 03:17 PM
I hope not, KC wont even have picked until 1pm-1.30pm
Christ, I'll be hammered by then.

Logical
04-04-2005, 03:19 PM
With each day passing, I'm almost sure this trade will go down on draft day.Based on the Trent Green trade, I have high hopes that Carl will come to his senses and give up the #2 for a reasonably young all Pro CB.

Chiefnj
04-04-2005, 03:21 PM
Based on the Trent Green trade, I have high hopes that Carl will come to his senses and give up the #2 for a reasonably young all Pro CB.

There's going to be some other hitch so both guys save face; something like swapping 5th rounders. This way Saban can say he got his 2nd round pick and Carl can say they moved up to get a better player in the 5th.

KCTitus
04-04-2005, 03:25 PM
Christ, I'll be hammered by then.

should only add to the celebration on that day...

Logical
04-04-2005, 03:25 PM
There's going to be some other hitch so both guys save face; something like swapping 5th rounders. This way Saban can say he got his 2nd round pick and Carl can say they moved up to get a better player in the 5th.

That would be a bonus. Carl has a much better day 2 record than day 1 IMO. Of course expectations are much lower.

whoman69
04-04-2005, 03:28 PM
I get a feeling draft day is going to be a pretty busy day for us Chiefs fans! :thumb:
Aspirin, check. Mini difribulator, check. Blood pressure medicine, check. Bozo punching toy with Carl's face taped on it, check.

Yep, it's going to be a busy day.

KCTitus
04-04-2005, 03:30 PM
Aspirin, check. Mini difribulator, check. Blood pressure medicine, check. Bozo punching toy with Carl's face taped on it, check.

Yep, it's going to be a busy day.

LOL...you might be sitting on a goldmine there. I'd say sales will be good for at least 4 years or so.

chiefsfolife
04-04-2005, 03:30 PM
That would be a bonus. Carl has a much better day 2 record than day 1 IMO. Of course expectations are much lower.


maybee but carl has found some real gems in the late rounds.....thats his pleaaaaasssssuseea

whoman69
04-04-2005, 03:30 PM
Christ, I'll be hammered by then.
Its time for me to start drinking again. Haven't really drank since my army days in Belgium.