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Mr. Flopnuts
04-05-2005, 12:23 AM
I've made it pretty obvious this guy is THE ONE that I think will lead us to the promised land. Or should I say the final piece of the illustrious puzzle. This is mostly old news, I just found it interesting that the Miami papers are now talking about the possibility of a 4th rounder this year and a conditional 2nd rounder next year being acceptable. That would be awesome from this Chiefs fans chair. I just post this stuff as I find it, if it's getting old let me know and I'll knock it off. ;)



http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2005/04/05/a11c_dolphins_0405.html


Miami adds Edwards to defensive backfield
By Greg A. Bedard

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, April 05, 2005

In a move that could signal the departure of cornerback Patrick Surtain, the Dolphins on Monday announced the signing of veteran cornerback Mario Edwards to a one-year contract.

The financial terms of the deal were not available, but Edwards, 29, is believed to have signed for the veteran's minimum to join a defensive backfield that currently is crowded.
But if Surtain is traded to Kansas City as expected, Edwards would compete with Reggie Howard and Will Poole for the spot opposite Sam Madison. If Surtain remains in Miami, Edwards would be the favorite at the nickel spot.

The Chiefs have agreed to Surtain's contract terms including an eight-figure signing bonus but continue to face off with the Dolphins over compensation. Dolphins coach Nick Saban said last week that he will insist on at least a third-round draft choice most likely a second-rounder. But the Chiefs have not yet offered more than a fourth-round pick.

While the Chiefs may give in to the Dolphins' demands, a compromise might be reached with Kansas City sending Miami its fourth-round selection this year and a conditional second-round pick next year. The second-round pick would be contingent on Surtain making enough starts.

By signing the 6-foot, 200-pound Edwards, Saban continues to remake his defense into the big, physical unit that he desires.

Edwards spent his first four seasons with the Dallas Cowboys, who drafted him in the sixth round of the 2000 draft from Florida State. Edwards played for Tampa Bay last season.

In his career, Edwards has made 50 starts with 195 tackles, four interceptions and 33 passes defensed.

tk13
04-05-2005, 12:26 AM
Good, it's more picks given up, but I like the idea of saving this year's 2nd so we can get one more body that might be able to play this year. Priest, Roaf, Shields, etc... don't seem to be interested in playing much longer, we need to make this team this year as good as we can make it.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-05-2005, 12:30 AM
Good, it's more picks given up, but I like the idea of saving this year's 2nd so we can get one more body that might be able to play this year. Priest, Roaf, Shields, etc... don't seem to be interested in playing much longer, we need to make this team this year as good as we can make it.


I agree wholeheartedly, that's why I'm hoping we can give up next years 2nd instead of this one. And hell, if we can squeeze the cap room, and trade up for DJ, all the better.

Logical
04-05-2005, 12:33 AM
While I agree about Surtain, your thread header is likely to offend quite a few BB members.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-05-2005, 12:35 AM
While I agree about Surtain, your thread header is likely to offend quite a few BB members.


Well, we all offend each other from time to time from where I'm sittin. No one else seems to really worry too much about it, so I won't either. However if it offends you personally Vlad, I'll apologize. You've always been stand up with me.

BIG_DADDY
04-05-2005, 12:36 AM
While I agree about Surtain, your thread header is likely to offend quite a few BB members.

For religious reasons or grammar?

Phobia
04-05-2005, 12:36 AM
If the Chiefs use their 2nd rounder to draft a player who actually contributes this year, I'll streak around Nzoner's game room in jubilation. I don't see it happening. The last 2nd rounder the Chiefs drafted who lived up to that billing is arguably Tongue. Prior to that? Grunhard.

It's ironic that the Chiefs can't find a starter with their 2nd round pick in the past decade but they drafted stars with their 2nd rounders in the 80's and sucked ass.

Logical
04-05-2005, 12:37 AM
Well, we all offend each other from time to time from where I'm sittin. No one else seems to really worry too much about it, so I won't either. However if it offends you personally Vlad, I'll apologize. You've always been stand up with me.

Not me, I just thought you might not be aware there is a somewhat significant portion of the BB that may be offended. I am not offended at all.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-05-2005, 12:37 AM
For religious reasons or grammar?

I'd hope it wouldn't be for my best Samuel L Jackson impersonation. ;)

Mr. Flopnuts
04-05-2005, 12:39 AM
Not me, I just thought you might not be aware there is a somewhat significant portion of the BB that may be offended. I am not offended at all.


People sh!tpile on each other all the time on this board with no thought of others feelings. If people can't handle an occassional goddamnit, oh well. I can live with that. For the record, it wasn't my intention.

Phobia
04-05-2005, 12:42 AM
Well, we all offend each other from time to time from where I'm sittin. No one else seems to really worry too much about it, so I won't either. However if it offends you personally Vlad, I'll apologize. You've always been stand up with me.

See - that's what I like to see.... a noob who can roll with the punches. This site doesn't need babysitting mods - we're all adults and can act accordingly. If you hear somebody drop a GD on the street, you ignore it and move on with your day - just like it works here. I don't understand why this is so difficult for some people to grasp. By the same token, I like to see people respect those in their immediate vicinity. While I'm no stranger to swearing, I wouldn't do it in front of known clergy. I don't know what my point is, so I'm just gonna press submit and probably head off to bed.

Logical
04-05-2005, 12:42 AM
For religious reasons or grammar?
ROFL

Logical
04-05-2005, 12:43 AM
See - that's what I like to see.... a noob who can roll with the punches. This site doesn't need babysitting mods - we're all adults and can act accordingly. If you hear somebody drop a GD on the street, you ignore it and move on with your day - just like it works here. I don't understand why this is so difficult for some people to grasp. By the same token, I like to see people respect those in their immediate vicinity. While I'm no stranger to swearing, I wouldn't do it in front of known clergy. I don't know what my point is, so I'm just gonna press submit and probably head off to bed.
I love it when Phil rambles, yet feel slightly castigated.:)

Phobia
04-05-2005, 12:45 AM
yet feel slightly castigated.:)

Don't. It wasn't for you. I knew you weren't offended, just pointing out the facts to the FNG.

Joe Seahawk
04-05-2005, 12:49 AM
I honestly think Cornerbacks are over rated..

Last year we had 2 really good shutdown cover corners in Lucas and Trufant, but our Pass defense was pretty much shredded after having our front 7 (once again) get hammered by injuries..

Early in the year when our front 7 was healthy, our pass defense was very good, but once more options became available to the QB no Cornerback can cover in todays NFL and expect not to get burnt often..

I believe having good blitzing linebackers and using them wisely is the key to a great pass defense.. If you can't blitz, you're pretty much fooked in todays NFL IMO..

Woodrow Call
04-05-2005, 12:49 AM
I believe that this trade scenerio is the best the Chiefs can hope for. Getting Surtain and keeping this years 2nd would be huge. They could trade the pick for a player, use it to move up, or at very least get to add 2 top 50 players to a team in need of young talent.

Of course Carl is going to have to do his part if he ends up 2 Savaii type projects it won't matter at all this season. I have to say this Ware buzz at 15 makes me a bit uneasy.

chappy
04-05-2005, 12:59 AM
i would be willing to sling a 'goddamnit, horray, praise the lord' in every thread of this board if we would just sign Surtain

el borracho
04-05-2005, 01:20 AM
No 2nd this year and no future picks. Use the draft to build the team and use free-agency to add the final piece or two.

The Chiefs' defense has been horrible for years. You cannot fix that with just a few players. Additionaly one should consider the fact that CBs role has been diminished in the league and there is no reason to pay two premiums (a pick and huge bonus) for Patrick Surtain.

Seriously, the Chiefs need to sign a free-agent CB (Law? ) and learn how to draft.

We should also keep an eye on the June cuts. Maybe a DE or CB will become available to us then. It would be nice to have the cap room to sign them if one should become available.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-05-2005, 01:30 AM
No 2nd this year and no future picks. Use the draft to build the team and use free-agency to add the final piece or two.

The Chiefs' defense has been horrible for years. You cannot fix that with just a few players. Additionaly one should consider the fact that CBs role has been diminished in the league and there is no reason to pay two premiums (a pick and huge bonus) for Patrick Surtain.

Seriously, the Chiefs need to sign a free-agent CB (Law? ) and learn how to draft.

We should also keep an eye on the June cuts. Maybe a DE or CB will become available to us then. It would be nice to have the cap room to sign them if one should become available.


I disagree. Pat Surtain has the stats to show that he is the best CB in the league. Whatever rule changes have happened, I don't believe you pass on an opportunity to add arguably the best CB in the league to your squad for a 2nd round pick. You do need more than 1 guy, but we've already signed 2. Combine Surtain and a decent 1st round draft pick, that makes 4. That's changing out over 33% of our D, and that should be enough to compliment our potent offense. Just my opinion.

ENDelt260
04-05-2005, 02:14 AM
If the Chiefs use their 2nd rounder to draft a player who actually contributes this year, I'll streak around Nzoner's game room in jubilation.

Like you wouldn't do that anyway.

Warrior5
04-05-2005, 06:44 AM
While I agree about Surtain, your thread header is likely to offend quite a few BB members.

Since you brought it up, Logical...

FTR, GD does offend me. I don't expect anyone to modify their language just to placate me, but just wanted to go on record. Thanks for committing some electrons to this topic.

And thanks for the update on Surtain, chiefman420...much appreciated.

InChiefsHell
04-05-2005, 06:50 AM
For religious reasons or grammar?

BOth, i personally am quite offended by the goddam title of this goddam thread...goddamit...

KChiefs1
04-05-2005, 06:55 AM
The Chiefs need to figure out a way to move into the 6-9 pick range so they can draft DJ & I think it's possible to do that with the Eagles 31 & 35 picks. What would the Chiefs have to give up? I figure their 15 pick this year & probably their first round pick next year. Is that too much to make sure you get DJ? The Chiefs could then trade the 2nd round pick for Surtain which means the Chiefs would have added Bell, Knight, Surtain & DJ to their defense this offseason. I think that'd be enough to get the Chiefs to the playoffs.

Is this feasible? :hmmm:

John_Wayne
04-05-2005, 07:06 AM
No. Don't give a conditional 2nd next year. Give a conditional 3rd next year. No one else is bidding on Surtain. Miami has to come to us. We're the only business in town.

StcChief
04-05-2005, 07:11 AM
No. Don't give a conditional 2nd next year. Give a conditional 3rd next year. No one else is bidding on Surtain. Miami has to come to us. We're the only business in town.

My thought exactly.

No one else right now interested, let's hope it stays that way.

Conditional pick, like the Welbourne deal makes the most sense.

It'll happen. Carl is playing hardball like always.

whoman69
04-05-2005, 07:15 AM
No. Don't give a conditional 2nd next year. Give a conditional 3rd next year. No one else is bidding on Surtain. Miami has to come to us. We're the only business in town.
I like it. There's no one else bidding on the guy. Why are we upping our bid so much?

And I'm not offended for the threadstarter taking the lord's name in vain. I'm offended because he's using code to suggest a new world order controlled by the gnomes of zurich. Can't you see it? You must be aliens then. Where's my aluminum foil hat?

Manila-Chief
04-05-2005, 07:17 AM
No. Don't give a conditional 2nd next year. Give a conditional 3rd next year. No one else is bidding on Surtain. Miami has to come to us. We're the only business in town.

I agree! Or maybe add a late round pick to the 4th. ... i.e. a 5th. or 6th. this year.

Which is a little bit dangerous coz it seems we get more starters late in the draft????

Lzen
04-05-2005, 07:51 AM
The Chiefs need to figure out a way to move into the 6-9 pick range so they can draft DJ & I think it's possible to do that with the Eagles 31 & 35 picks. What would the Chiefs have to give up? I figure their 15 pick this year & probably their first round pick next year. Is that too much to make sure you get DJ? The Chiefs could then trade the 2nd round pick for Surtain which means the Chiefs would have added Bell, Knight, Surtain & DJ to their defense this offseason. I think that'd be enough to get the Chiefs to the playoffs.

Is this feasible? :hmmm:


Are you insane? No freakin' way we give up our 1st this year and our 1st next year. :shake:

Cochise
04-05-2005, 07:54 AM
Trade a lower this year and a conditional 3rd for Surtain.

Trade our 1 and 2 to move up in the first and get Derrick Johnson.

Lzen
04-05-2005, 07:56 AM
Well, we all offend each other from time to time from where I'm sittin. No one else seems to really worry too much about it, so I won't either. However if it offends you personally Vlad, I'll apologize. You've always been stand up with me.

Eh, I may not like it when people use that. But I've learned that if you're on this bb or most any message board, you've got to learn to roll with the punches. So I guess what I'm saying is that I wouldn't walk into a bar and expect everyone to change their behavior. I've seen and heard much worse.

I will say that I'm sure God doesn't appreciate it when you do that. But that's a personal thing for everyone to deal with, IMO. I think Vlad is making a bigger deal out of it than anyone who would feel offended would make.

Lzen
04-05-2005, 07:57 AM
Trade a lower this year and a conditional 3rd for Surtain.

Trade our 1 and 2 to move up in the first and get Derrick Johnson.

By conditional 3rd I assume you mean for the 2006 draft? If that's the case, I would agree with this scenario.
:thumb:

Mark M
04-05-2005, 08:00 AM
I honestly think Cornerbacks are over rated..

Last year we had 2 really good shutdown cover corners in Lucas and Trufant, but our Pass defense was pretty much shredded after having our front 7 (once again) get hammered by injuries..

Early in the year when our front 7 was healthy, our pass defense was very good, but once more options became available to the QB no Cornerback can cover in todays NFL and expect not to get burnt often..

I believe having good blitzing linebackers and using them wisely is the key to a great pass defense.. If you can't blitz, you're pretty much fooked in todays NFL IMO..

Joe Seahawk nailed it.

While the Chiefs definitely could use Surtain, pass defense starts in the opponents backfield. If a QB gets 4+ seconds to throw the ball, it won't matter who's playing CB -- someone will get open. KC needs another LB or even rush end to accomplish that.

I say trade the 2nd for Surtain, move up and get DJ or Pollack by offering this year's first, one of the later picks we've got (4th or 5th) plus a conditional 2nd next year.

Not sure about the "value chart" teams use if this would too much or not enough, but it's a place to start. Regardless, I would not give up next year's first for anything, even if Carl will draft a freaking FB with it.

MM
~~:arrow:

penguinz
04-05-2005, 08:01 AM
BOth, i personally am quite offended by the goddam title of this goddam thread...goddamit...
I think you need to add spelling to your list. ;)

bigbucks24
04-05-2005, 08:39 AM
Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan
No. Don't give a conditional 2nd next year. Give a conditional 3rd next year. No one else is bidding on Surtain. Miami has to come to us. We're the only business in town.

A third next year is generally regarded to have the same value as a 4th this year. So you would be getting a Pro Bowl corner for 2 4th round picks? I'm not sure Saban is willing to do that. Though I do think it is all posturing at this point, it seems that Saban will not be giving Surtain away.

bigbucks24

Saulbadguy
04-05-2005, 08:54 AM
Apr. 5 - The Miami Herald is reporting that the Dolphins are looking to trade the No. 2 pick in this year's draft. With so many areas of need, the Dolphins are trying to secure as many picks as possible. It's unclear who might be willing to deal with Miami, but potential trade partners should emerge as the April 23-24 draft approaches, speculates the newspaper.

htismaqe
04-05-2005, 09:13 AM
Apr. 5 - The Miami Herald is reporting that the Dolphins are looking to trade the No. 2 pick in this year's draft. With so many areas of need, the Dolphins are trying to secure as many picks as possible. It's unclear who might be willing to deal with Miami, but potential trade partners should emerge as the April 23-24 draft approaches, speculates the newspaper.

Holy shit.

TRADE IT ALL!

Give everything we got to Miami for Surtain and the right to Derrick Johnson!

:D