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jspchief
04-06-2005, 09:05 AM
Obviously we've added some new faces to the team, and as a result, some guys will be packing their bags also. We can throw out obvious names like Morton, but considering we haven't gone out and got a replacement for him, I'm not so sure. I'm thinking a large number of the cuts will be depth guys, although some of the more expensive '04 starters could be cut loose too.


Here are our current players at positions we've made additions to:

LB:
*Bell
Fujita
Barber
Mitchell
Fox
Mazlowski
Scanlon

This seems like the easiest one. With Maz a likely injury settlement, he'll be the one making room for Bell. Beisel wasn't even listed on the roster, which was updated enough to have yesterday's addition of Carlos Hall. Could that be a sign? Don't let the door hit you on the ass Monty...

Safety:
*Knight
Woods
Wesley
Harts
Pile
Connot (listed as DB, but I think he's a safety)
Crouch (hahahaha)

This is a bit tougher. My guess is we could cut whoever loses in the battle for starting FS, as an economic move. However, both Woods and Wesley are early in their contract, so maybe the team won't be willing to take the hit, or give up on them so easily. Harts and Pile have been respectable as back-ups, and I doubt Connot would make the roster anyway. We could cut someone from our glut of CBs as well.

D-line:
*Hall
Hicks
Sims
Dalton
Allen
Browning
Siavii
Jabari (who?)
Sharpe
Stills
Walker
Wilkerson

This is another tough one. After the TC fodder (Jabari and Walker), there's no one that's clearly the odd man out. If Stills wasn't so solid on ST, I'd say him. We're still waiting for Wilkerson to blossom. Of course the fans would appear to want Hicks gone, but I just don't see it happening. My guess is Montique Sharpe, unless something happens in TC.

IMO, it will be interesting to seee how this year's roster shapes up. If we get Johnson, I fully expect Morton to be gone. But if we don't, I think we keep him. There's a few other young WRs that may not get a chance. Obviously there's a long list of CBs that should get a pink slip, but past experience indicates that Vermeil keeps a sh*t-ton of defensive backs every year. We still need help at FB, with Joe Hall being the current back-up to T-rich. And we're not even looking for room for the draft picks yet...

milkman
04-06-2005, 09:39 AM
I just can't see how Stills can remain on the roster.

Some of our 5th, 6th and 7th round picks can replace him on STs, and I could replace him in the D rotation.

He has 8 sacks in 5 years.

8 freakin' sacks

That's supposed to be his specialty.

He's fuking useless.
Sack his ass!

Cochise
04-06-2005, 09:42 AM
I just can't see how Stills can remain on the roster.

Some of our 5th, 6th and 7th round picks can replace him on STs, and I could replace him in the D rotation.

He has 8 sacks in 5 years.

8 freakin' sacks

That's supposed to be his specialty.

He's fuking useless.
Sack his ass!

Does going to the pro bowl for special teams mean anything?

jspchief
04-06-2005, 09:43 AM
I just can't see how Stills can remain on the roster.

Some of our 5th, 6th and 7th round picks can replace him on STs, and I could replace him in the D rotation.

He has 8 sacks in 5 years.

8 freakin' sacks

That's supposed to be his specialty.

He's fuking useless.
Sack his ass!

I don't think Stills is that easily replaced on STs. He didn't make the pro bowl for being average. We could probably argue that he offers the Chiefs as much as Gammon does.

Even so, I wouldn't miss him.

milkman
04-06-2005, 09:45 AM
Does going to the pro bowl for special teams mean anything?

Not to me.
Especially when I see him whiff on a couple of blocks that could have gotten Dante into the End Zone last season.

And also because of the fact that I really don't put much stock in PBs.
They are primarily a popularity contest.

jspchief
04-06-2005, 09:48 AM
If any postion in the probowl is legit, a ST gunner is the one. It's not like people are out buying Stills jerseys around the country.

And we're going to cut every player that whiffed last year, we're in trouble.

milkman
04-06-2005, 09:51 AM
If any postion in the probowl is legit, a ST gunner is the one. It's not like people are out buying Stills jerseys around the country.

And we're going to cut every player that whiffed last year, we're in trouble.

What I'm saying is that he made his reputation in '03, but his STs play last season was pretty average.

jspchief
04-06-2005, 09:57 AM
Actually, '03 is where he whiffed on that block against Cleveland that kept him from breaking the TD return record. But I see a lot of people remembering that missed block while forgetting all the blocks that sprung Hall on his other returns.

CosmicPal
04-06-2005, 10:00 AM
McCleon will be a goner

milkman
04-06-2005, 10:00 AM
I actually forgot about that whiff against Cleveland.

So there's another strike against him.

Thanks for the ammo jsp! :p

Dr. Facebook Fever
04-06-2005, 10:02 AM
And also because of the fact that I really don't put much stock in PBs.
They are primarily a popularity contest.
Right...cause Gary Stills is definately a popular household name kind of guy.

He's worth having if for no other reason than special teams imo. Especially if you don't have anyone better.

InChiefsHell
04-06-2005, 10:02 AM
If Bartee is still on the roster, that will be a complete mystery to me. This guy is a CB and does not have one, not ONE INT to his name...that's just fuggin ridiculous. Stills is a better player than Bartee, at least he contributes...cut Bartee before anyone else...

Dr. Facebook Fever
04-06-2005, 10:03 AM
McCleon will be a goner
and Bartee I think........ I hope. Any team that can't find someone better than little Billy shouldn't be taking the field.

Edubs
04-06-2005, 10:06 AM
Mazlowski is a goner. Older than dirt and injured alot.

Edubs
04-06-2005, 10:07 AM
Bartee will still be on the team McCleon will be gone.

nmt1
04-06-2005, 10:08 AM
Beisel wasn't even listed on the roster, which was updated enough to have yesterday's addition of Carlos Hall. Could that be a sign? Don't let the door hit you on the ass Monty...


Beisel is an unrestricted free agent so he's not a Chief at this point in time.

John_Wayne
04-06-2005, 10:17 AM
Maz should be out, but Barber could be out too due to his injury. Also, it is a DISGRACE to have Scanlon on this roster!!! :-)

Obviously, Crouch and Connot should get another job at Taco Bell or something. But, I'd like to see us trade Woods for something. Maybe package with a 4th round pick to Miami for Surtain since they lost Knight to us.

There's a lot to trim on the D-line. Walker and Jabari will be gone. I don't know what eveyone sees in Browning. I would not shed a tear if he's gone. Also, I think Stills is in jeopardy. Hall is a pass rush specialist like Stills. We can't keep both, can we? We traded Truluck for this reason. Maybe we can get a 6th round pick for Stills? Sharpe could go for all I care too.

milkman
04-06-2005, 10:19 AM
Right...cause Gary Stills is definately a popular household name kind of guy.

He's worth having if for no other reason than special teams imo. Especially if you don't have anyone better.

Like I said.
He was a STs stud in '03.
I thought his play really fell off last year, and that he didn't belong in the the PB at the end of the season, but he had that recognition from '03.

jspchief
04-06-2005, 10:35 AM
Like I said.
He was a STs stud in '03.
I thought his play really fell off last year, and that he didn't belong in the the PB at the end of the season, but he had that recognition from '03.
Which would explain why he made the '03 probowl, and not the '04 one.

Kclee
04-06-2005, 10:37 AM
But, I'd like to see us trade Woods for something. Maybe package with a 4th round pick to Miami for Surtain since they lost Knight to us.


They already replaced him. The Packers on the other hand have 2 saftey spots to fill.

Dr. Facebook Fever
04-06-2005, 10:42 AM
Like I said.
He was a STs stud in '03.
I thought his play really fell off last year, and that he didn't belong in the the PB at the end of the season, but he had that recognition from '03.
I understand that '04 wasn't his best year and you're right that he may be gone. He's just not among the first names on the cut list in my book.

HemiEd
04-06-2005, 10:49 AM
I would cut Mighty Mouse II (McCleon) so fast, we do not need any shrimps trying to cover receivers that are a foot taller than they are anymore! :shake:
Maz needs to go and it is too bad. The 53 man roster only has room for so many specialists, I think Stills needs to go since we kept Gammon. JMO :rolleyes:

milkman
04-06-2005, 10:57 AM
I would cut Mighty Mouse II (McCleon) so fast, we do not need any shrimps trying to cover receivers that are a foot taller than they are anymore! :shake:
Maz needs to go and it is too bad. The 53 man roster only has room for so many specialists, I think Stills needs to go since we kept Gammon. JMO :rolleyes:

If we get Surtain, and draft a corner in the first, then I would not be surprised to see both McPassOn and Bartee get the axe.

milkman
04-06-2005, 10:59 AM
I understand that '04 wasn't his best year and you're right that he may be gone. He's just not among the first names on the cut list in my book.

I'd like to see someone who can contribute both on STs, and in the defensive rotation.

If he can't be replaced on STs, then by all means keep him.
But don't put him out on the field on D, he contributes absolutely nothing there.

HemiEd
04-06-2005, 11:06 AM
If we get Surtain, and draft a corner in the first, then I would not be surprised to see both McPassOn and Bartee get the axe.


I feel very confident that we will get Surtain. If we release Bartee what will the cap hit be? I personally do not know what he is good for, he is definatly not a corner. We have a log jam now at safety without him being in the mix.

Otter
04-06-2005, 11:14 AM
If Bartee is still on the roster, that will be a complete mystery to me. This guy is a CB and does not have one, not ONE INT to his name...that's just fuggin ridiculous. Stills is a better player than Bartee, at least he contributes...cut Bartee before anyone else...

I've come to firmly believe that when Mike Stock left the organiztion he gave those photos to Bartee.

Chiefnj
04-06-2005, 11:20 AM
Going two deep into the depth chart, as of now I forsee the following:

LE: Hicks, Hall
DT: Browning, Sims
DT: Dalton, Siavii
RE: Allen, Wilkerson

LLB: Fuji, Beisel
MLB: Bell, Mitchell
RLB: Barber(?), Fox

CB: Warfield, Sapp
CB: Free Agent, ??? (Who's the 2nd - Bartee, McLeon or Battle???)

SS: Knight, Harts
FS: Woods, Wesely.

HemiEd
04-06-2005, 11:49 AM
CB: Free Agent, ??? (Who's the 2nd - Bartee, McLeon or Battle???)

Wow when you look at it like this, I do not want any of them. Now I see why so many say we need additional CB help. Duh, thanks for making this plain and simple for me.

ROYC75
04-06-2005, 12:11 PM
Going two deep into the depth chart, as of now I forsee the following:



LLB: Fuji, Beisel
MLB: Bell, Mitchell
RLB: Barber(?), Fox



I think Beisel will move on, Barber will not be ready ( PUP ).

You'll probally see Fox, or Mitchell in RLB.

Oh, you forgot to mention Scanlon as the backup MLB.
:p