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Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 01:22 PM
2 hits through 4 innings. 0-0

Donger
04-13-2005, 01:25 PM
Looks like our bats our on fire again...

I hate bats; mean little critters.

I bet they're even worse when they're on fire.

SCTrojan
04-13-2005, 01:33 PM
The way it looks so far, one or two runs are going to be big. I just hope we're the one who gets them.

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 01:37 PM
Get used to it.

I'm going on record saying KC will have lowest total RBI in the major leagues.

Oh, we'll have some breakout games, but we're gonna have a shitpot full of 1-3 run games. There is absolutely no consistent pop in that lineup. They are as boring an offfensive team to watch as you'll find. That said, I'm sure they'd be ripping it up in the Texas League........

Dr. Facebook Fever
04-13-2005, 01:38 PM
What the hell is it with all of the damn weekday games? Do they not WANT the crowd to be as large as possible?

BigChiefFan
04-13-2005, 01:40 PM
Go Royals!!

BourbonMan
04-13-2005, 01:42 PM
2 hits through 4 innings. 0-0


GET TO WORK YOU LOWLIFE.

cmh6476
04-13-2005, 01:42 PM
Get used to it.

I'm going on record saying KC will have lowest total RBI in the major leagues.

Oh, we'll have some breakout games, but we're gonna have a shitpot full of 1-3 run games. There is absolutely no consistent pop in that lineup. They are as boring an offfensive team to watch as you'll find. That said, I'm sure they'd be ripping it up in the Texas League........
we used to lose 9-10. Now we'll start losing 2-3 :(

ENDelt260
04-13-2005, 01:44 PM
I should've bought the MLB package. I can't believe I'm missing out on this excitement.

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 01:45 PM
Looks like Pena has his head on his shoulders today after the opening day gaffe. He pulls Zack in the 7th, puts in Jaime Cerda.

SCTrojan
04-13-2005, 01:45 PM
Well, the game's in the bullpen's hands now. :rolleyes:

Simplex3
04-13-2005, 01:47 PM
What the hell is it with all of the damn weekday games? Do they not WANT the crowd to be as large as possible?
Yet another gigantic flaw in the MLB "system". They've failed to recognize that work has become more important over the last 50 years and people are less likely to be able to just take off for a day. They need to get over that and play nights and weekends like every other major sport.

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 01:51 PM
Looks like Pena has his head on his shoulders today after the opening day gaffe. He pulls Zack in the 7th, puts in Jaime Cerda.
No... I'd say his head is firmly in his a$$ again...... yes he should have taken Hernandez out after the 7th on Monday, but Grienkie is coasting through 6 innings after only 86 pitches, heaven forbid he get used to throwing more pitches sometime in his career. Cerda promptly puts runners on in the 7th! Hello 3-5.

OmahaChief
04-13-2005, 01:52 PM
Looks like Pena has his head on his shoulders today after the opening day gaffe. He pulls Zack in the 7th, puts in Jaime Cerda.

Typical Pena, pull a pitcher that is dominating and bring in the suspect pen. Pena continues to over manage as he has in the past. Thanks Tony!

OmahaChief
04-13-2005, 01:54 PM
Nice pitch Mac! At least that will be one more run against Cerda. I have been ready for him to be run out of town on a rail since last year. I don't need a releiver that gives up a walk or hit every effin inning he pitches.

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 01:54 PM
Wow.... what a shock.... take a pitcher on cruise control out and bring in your crap from the pen, taadaa... 2-0 hole! F-U Pena! :cuss:

tk13
04-13-2005, 01:56 PM
Man, I don't care if Greinke goes deep into games, he doesn't try to gas it up there, and he's not coming off Tommy John surgery. That's the biggest reason I didn't want Hernandez to stay in the other day. Greinke is the one guy in the rotation that really needs to work on extending himself deep into games.

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 01:57 PM
Our bullpen is terrible.

OmahaChief
04-13-2005, 01:57 PM
Pena costs us more games a year with his crap moves then he wins us games by making the right moves. The guy had a good year when nothing went wrong and we extend him. Eff Pena. I can't stand him now and did not like him when we were winning. That being said those effing bully pitchers should get their head out of their ass or get on the bus to Omaha.

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 01:58 PM
Man, I don't care if Greinke goes deep into games, he doesn't try to gas it up there, and he's not coming off Tommy John surgery. That's the biggest reason I didn't want Hernandez to stay in the other day. Greinke is the one guy in the rotation that really needs to work on extending himself deep into games.

Tony Pena as a manager stinks. To try and explain otherwise is futile. The data points are stacked.

Pitt Gorilla
04-13-2005, 02:01 PM
Positive sign: Buck is gunning out just about everyone that attempts to steal. He must have really worked on his throwing in the offseason.

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:01 PM
Stairs is a freakin pimp! One of very few who ALWAYS looks like he wants to win last year and this year.

Cochise
04-13-2005, 02:01 PM
Well nice to pull Greinke and let Cerda have a cup of coffee in this game. When are our pitchers going to be old and experienced enough to throw more than 6 innings?

Get used to the 2-1 games. I think the pitching is going to be pretty good but this lineup sucks donkey balls.

It's not really Pena's fault I guess. You're supposed to be able to expect more than 2 hits from your lineup over 6 innings. Doesn't matter who's pitching when your offense is throwing up gooseeggs like it's going out of style.

We're going to give some people CGSO's this year that have no business getting one in their careers.

OmahaChief
04-13-2005, 02:01 PM
Man, I don't care if Greinke goes deep into games, he doesn't try to gas it up there, and he's not coming off Tommy John surgery. That's the biggest reason I didn't want Hernandez to stay in the other day. Greinke is the one guy in the rotation that really needs to work on extending himself deep into games.

Like I said last year for an ex catcher Pena is clueless how to manage a pitching staff.

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:03 PM
That's it boys.... be sure to score after your good pitcher is out of the game and you will need more than 2 runs!! :rolleyes: :banghead:

Pitt Gorilla
04-13-2005, 02:04 PM
That's it boys.... be sure to score after your good pitcher is out of the game and you will need more than 2 runs!! :rolleyes: :banghead:Are you seriously bitching about us scoring runs?

tk13
04-13-2005, 02:04 PM
Tony Pena as a manager stinks. To try and explain otherwise is futile. The data points are stacked.
I question some of his lineup moves and so forth sometimes, but usually I think he takes a bit too much criticism over how he handles the pitching staff, I think handling the bullpen is a crapshoot sometimes and I do like how he's generally done his best to protect our young arms. There are managers out there who'd probably handle this pitching staff far worse than Pena, gas our young starters out and still not use the bullpen right. If Pena gets fired that's my greatest fear, that we bring in a Dusty Baker-type manager.

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:06 PM
wait...we scored? :clap:


This gametracker is a piece of shit.

shakesthecat
04-13-2005, 02:07 PM
Holy crap!

HTF did Stairs leg out a triple? Did the CF fall down?

petegz28
04-13-2005, 02:08 PM
Someone tell these dumbass ROyals to TAKE A FREAKING PITCH!

The reliever for the M's threw 3 pitches and got 2 outs!

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:08 PM
Bottom 7TH B:2 S:1 O:0
Matt Stairs triples (1) on a fly ball to center fielder Jeremy Reed.

PHOG
04-13-2005, 02:08 PM
2-1, Mariners, going to the top of the 8th.

I agree, gametracker does suck. :(

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:09 PM
What does everyone use to track the games?

shakesthecat
04-13-2005, 02:10 PM
What does everyone use to track the games?

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/live/MLB_20050413_SEA@KC

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:11 PM
I question some of his lineup moves and so forth sometimes, but usually I think he takes a bit too much criticism over how he handles the pitching staff, I think handling the bullpen is a crapshoot sometimes and I do like how he's generally done his best to protect our young arms. There are managers out there who'd probably handle this pitching staff far worse than Pena, gas our young starters out and still not use the bullpen right. If Pena gets fired that's my greatest fear, that we bring in a Dusty Baker-type manager.

I'll have to disagree. Pena rarely makes a good call to the pen.

Unless Greinke was experiencing tightness or something, he should have been left in. 86 pitches thru 6? Come on. That kid can easily handle 100-110 pitches an outing going every 5 days. I've seen enough of Pena to know that he f's up the pitching as much as he does the lineup card. Honestly, I think the guy is way in over his head. jmo

Pitt Gorilla
04-13-2005, 02:12 PM
What does everyone use to track the games?Kcroyals.com or Mlb.com has a great gamecenter.

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:13 PM
Someone tell these dumbass ROyals to TAKE A FREAKING PITCH!

The reliever for the M's threw 3 pitches and got 2 outs!

That's coaching. So it doesn't surprise me like it used to. However, it still frustrates the crap outta me.

PHOG
04-13-2005, 02:13 PM
What does everyone use to track the games?

I'm using MLB Gameday 2005, not the greatest..

1 out, 1 on (walk :rolleyes: )

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:13 PM
Ichiro is 0-4..thats not bad.

petegz28
04-13-2005, 02:15 PM
Does Madougal know what a STRIKE ZONE is?

Pitt Gorilla
04-13-2005, 02:15 PM
Throw a f*cking strike!!

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:15 PM
Wild thing is really in the groove today..............

OmahaChief
04-13-2005, 02:15 PM
I question some of his lineup moves and so forth sometimes, but usually I think he takes a bit too much criticism over how he handles the pitching staff, I think handling the bullpen is a crapshoot sometimes and I do like how he's generally done his best to protect our young arms. There are managers out there who'd probably handle this pitching staff far worse than Pena, gas our young starters out and still not use the bullpen right. If Pena gets fired that's my greatest fear, that we bring in a Dusty Baker-type manager.

What I fail to understand is why Pena pulls a starter that is dominating and does not have that many pitches. He thinks that 100 is some magic number that if a pitcher goes over or near before he begins and inning he must pull him. He fails to use his gut and seems to use some text book formula to manage. I can't stand that. As for Baker, the arm problems of Wood and Prior could be inpart becuase he let them throw but with power pitches like that they almost all break down at some point.

Pitchers like Walter Johnson, Steve Carlton and Nolan Ryan threw a ton of pitches and somehow their careers were not wasted with blown out arms.

PHOG
04-13-2005, 02:16 PM
Just walked Sexson on 4 straight pitches, 1st and 2nd, 2 outs.. :shake:

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:16 PM
I vote Mack should hit the next batter.

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:16 PM
Start up the bullpen I guess... No reason to leave him in there to FIND his control..

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:17 PM
Start up the bullpen I guess... No reason to leave him in there to FIND his control..


I guess thats what they did... Go get em Shawn...

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:20 PM
Can we get some freakin offense please!!! Bottom of the 8th, let's score two and see what Affeldt can do in a save situation this year!!

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:21 PM
Lets see if we can two more runs and then shut the door... Nice job getting the popup Shawn...

OmahaChief
04-13-2005, 02:21 PM
I'll have to disagree. Pena rarely makes a good call to the pen.

Unless Greinke was experiencing tightness or something, he should have been left in. 86 pitches thru 6? Come on. That kid can easily handle 100-110 pitches an outing going every 5 days. I've seen enough of Pena to know that he f's up the pitching as much as he does the lineup card. Honestly, I think the guy is way in over his head. jmo

I totally agree with you.

PHOG
04-13-2005, 02:21 PM
I assume they got out of the inning with no runs, the tracker is showing a 0 in the inning score slot, didn't say how... :hmmm:

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:22 PM
Can we get some freakin offense please!!! Bottom of the 8th, let's score two and see what Affeldt can do in a save situation this year!!

Thank gawd Buck Twenty-Five is up to bat.................

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:22 PM
woo freakin hoo..... two pitches and one out....... way to be patient Graffy. :mad:

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:23 PM
Whats with the early swings guys?

Two down already...

PHOG
04-13-2005, 02:23 PM
Nice patience, Graf :rolleyes:

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:23 PM
2 batters, 3 pitches, 2 outs....so far, we're on course for a standard inning..........

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:24 PM
Hasagawa threw 6 f-ing pitches and got 4outs!!!! WTF!!!! :cuss:

Pitt Gorilla
04-13-2005, 02:24 PM
Take a pitch!

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:25 PM
RALLY CAPS!

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:25 PM
Hasagawa threw 6 f-ing pitches and got 4outs!!!! WTF!!!! :cuss:

Fellas, this doesn't happen without excellent coaching..............

Mark M
04-13-2005, 02:25 PM
Whats with the early swings guys?

Two down already...

Just like last year ... and the year before ... and the year before.

No patience at the plate at all.

MM
~~:cuss:

PHOG
04-13-2005, 02:27 PM
Well...

MLB Gameday 2005 crapped out on me...

It's faster getting updates here anyways... :thumb:

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:27 PM
that potent offense is amazing! :rolleyes:

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:29 PM
Affeldt in yet another non-save situation. Bleep'em!

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:30 PM
affeldt is in there now...

shakesthecat
04-13-2005, 02:31 PM
that potent offense is amazing! :rolleyes:

What did expect this year?

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:32 PM
Affeldt vs Ibanez...

Ball 1
Strike 1
Ball 2
Ibanez grounds out to 2nd...

1 down.

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:33 PM
Affeldt vs Winn

Ball 1
Strike 1 (foul)
Flies out to Stairs...

2 down...

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:35 PM
Affeldt vs. Olivo

Ball 1
Strike 1 (foul)
called strike 2
flies out to right (Matt Stairs)


Nice inning Jeremy...

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:36 PM
Alright...Gotay, Sweeney, Stairs...

SCTrojan
04-13-2005, 02:36 PM
Affeldt goes 3 up, 3 down.

Oh, yeah. We're going to scratch out a couple of runs in the bottom half of the ninth.

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:37 PM
Stairs will hit a homer. I just know it!

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:37 PM
Eddie Guardado is coming into the ballgame to close for the Mariners. Let's light em up..

Due up:
Gotay
Sweeney

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:39 PM
winning run on first!

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:39 PM
Guardado vs Gotay

Ball 1
Ball 2
Called strike 1

Singles with a ground ball to right...


NICE JOB!

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:40 PM
atta boy, Rueben. Took 3 pitches before he took a cut - basehit

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:40 PM
NM. Gotay out at 2nd. Sweeney hits to first.

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:40 PM
Eli Marrero in for Matt Stairs.

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:40 PM
Eddie Guardado vs Mike Sweeney



First pitch Sweeney grounds into double play...

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:42 PM
Eli Marrero in for Matt Stairs.


:banghead:

EM is a worthless pos. Dear lord, I would have taken my chances with Stairs going lefty-lefty.....

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:42 PM
Eddie Guardado vs Mike Sweeney



First pitch Sweeney grounds into double play...
Pay attention...... force out only..... only one out.

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:43 PM
Full count to Marrero...

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:43 PM
Guardado vs Marrero

Ball 1
Ball 2
Called strike 1
strike 2 (foul)
Ball 3
strike 3 swinging...


:cuss:

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:44 PM
On cue..........

Marreo whiffs. nice

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:44 PM
Marrero still 0 for season!!! He's crap!!

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:44 PM
Pay attention...... force out only..... only one out.


my bad...

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:45 PM
Come on, Emil!

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:47 PM
Guardado vs Pickering


Ball 1
Ball 2
Strike 1 swinging
tying run steals to second...
Ball 3
Strike 2 foul
foul
BALL 4


runners on first and second...
Barroa up...

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:47 PM
brown walks...... come on..... one damn hit!!!!

SCTrojan
04-13-2005, 02:47 PM
Good AB by Brown.

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:47 PM
Outstanding AB, Emil. Dude took some pitches and got a walk. :clap:

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:48 PM
Angel will save us.

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:48 PM
Guardado vs Berroa

Ball 1
Ball 2

mound visit

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:50 PM
goodnight! :rolleyes:

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:50 PM
Guardado vs Berroa

Ball 1
Ball 2

mound visit

Ball 3
Called strike right on the corner.
strike 2 foul
strike 3 swinging...

:cuss:

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 02:51 PM
4 f_cking hits............. did we deserve to win anyway?

SCTrojan
04-13-2005, 02:52 PM
:cuss:

This offense is killing me.

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:53 PM
Heh. I don't think its my gametracker that sucks. Its the lack of a decent internet connection at my work.

We have 10mb for 6500 workstations. We need a T3.

Cochise
04-13-2005, 02:53 PM
this "in every game" thing is not as cool as I thought it would be.

mcan
04-13-2005, 02:53 PM
This offense is killing me.


It is very offensive isn't it... :rolleyes:

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:54 PM
Angel has been figured out. Pretty much every pitcher knows to pitch to the outside to him.

SCTrojan
04-13-2005, 02:55 PM
Who would've thought after last year that our starting pitching would be the strength of the club.

Saulbadguy
04-13-2005, 02:55 PM
Seattle vs.
Kansas City
top
10th

Sweet..we are getting another shot at it! :clap:

PHOG
04-13-2005, 02:56 PM
Well...some questionable decisions regarding Pena (replacing Greinke to start the 7th, PHing Marrero of all people for anybody :mad: )

We now have our 1st losing streak of the young season. :(





We'll get'em tomorrow.....

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 02:56 PM
4 f_cking hits............. did we deserve to win anyway?

We have marginal, and I mean marginal, major league talent in our lineup. That lack of run production is of no surprise. We are not a power hitting team, we are not a running team, we are a team of mish-mash crap hitting. This is going to be one brutal season at the plate.

On the bright side, our starting pitching (sans Lemon Time) has been OUTSTANDING!

tk13
04-13-2005, 02:59 PM
bnar;niabn;era$*)@$&)*(@$Y)*(

Blah.

I don't have a problem with the Marrero move, he has a career track record of killing lefties and Stairs doesn't, of course it'd help if he actually remembered to bring that with him to Kansas City. At least our starting pitching doesn't suck, I've waited a long time to say that. Hopefully Bautista comes out and pitches well tomorrow and salvages a win.

mcan
04-13-2005, 03:00 PM
On the bright side, our starting pitching (sans Lemon Time) has been OUTSTANDING!


Lemon Time! ROFL

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 03:03 PM
bnar;niabn;era$*)@$&)*(@$Y)*(

Blah.

I don't have a problem with the Marrero move, he has a career track record of killing lefties and Stairs doesn't, of course it'd help if he actually remembered to bring that with him to Kansas City. At least our starting pitching doesn't suck, I've waited a long time to say that. Hopefully Bautista comes out and pitches well tomorrow and salvages a win.

We're cursed.

We should not be bringing in Vet Latin American players. They end up waiting to suck once they get into our lineup.

Does anyone know what Marrero batted this Spring? I don't have it offhand..........

Cochise
04-13-2005, 03:05 PM
Well, who are you going to call out for the silent bats?

Gotay got a hit in the 9th when we needed a baserunner to tie the game. Hit a homer Sunday. Don't blame him.

Stairs triples and scores, then gets repaid by being lifted for Marrero who strikes out. Don't blame Stairs.

How about DeJesus - our leadoff hitter, batting .258, and hitless today.

How about Pickering, who Ken Harvey cannot nearly be so brutal as. Pickering is .200 on the season with a home run and 5 K's in 14 AB's.

Berroa has to put the ball in play in the 9th and at least give them a chance to make a mistake. It would have been better to try to bunt for a base hit than to chalk up the game-ending whiff.

Last of all, Buck is hitting .136 . I'm not sure that a you couldn't hit .136 by simply holding the bat out over the plate.

All these years people have been bitching about the pitching coach, well, where the hell is the hitting coach. Can we at least get a hit every other inning?

tk13
04-13-2005, 03:05 PM
Well listening to Pena on the postgame, even the announcers apparently knew Greinke was on a 85 pitch count today, because of the fact he took that ball off his arm the last time and they didn't want him to go from throwing 30 pitches one game and getting hurt to throwing 100 or more. I guess I'll live with that as long as we let him go to 100+ from now on....

PHOG
04-13-2005, 03:07 PM
Hopefully when Bautista is mowing them down, Pena leaves him in like he did vs. LAA...

Just maybe he was taking it easy on Greinke because of the arm being hit last week? :shrug:

ChiTown
04-13-2005, 03:09 PM
Well, who are you going to call out for the silent bats?

Gotay got a hit in the 9th when we needed a baserunner to tie the game. Hit a homer Sunday. Don't blame him.

Stairs triples and scores, then gets repaid by being lifted for Marrero who strikes out. Don't blame Stairs.

How about DeJesus - our leadoff hitter, batting .258, and hitless today.

How about Pickering, who Ken Harvey cannot nearly be so brutal as. Pickering is .200 on the season with a home run and 5 K's in 14 AB's.

Berroa has to put the ball in play in the 9th and at least give them a chance to make a mistake. It would have been better to try to bunt for a base hit than to chalk up the game-ending whiff.

Last of all, Buck is hitting .136 . I'm not sure that a you couldn't hit .136 by simply holding the bat out over the plate.

All these years people have been bitching about the pitching coach, well, where the hell is the hitting coach. Can we at least get a hit every other inning?


There is no offensive identity to this team - None. I've been saying this since we broke for Spring training. So, the fact that we suck at the plate is of no surprise. What's surprising was the lack of offseason movement to get a fn identity for this team. THAT FRUSTRATES THE FOCK OUTTA ME!

PHOG
04-13-2005, 03:09 PM
Well listening to Pena on the postgame, even the announcers apparently knew Greinke was on a 85 pitch count today, because of the fact he took that ball off his arm the last time and they didn't want him to go from throwing 30 pitches one game and getting hurt to throwing 100 or more. I guess I'll live with that as long as we let him go to 100+ from now on....

Oh, guess that answers my question. :doh!:

vckcchiefs04
04-13-2005, 03:16 PM
Well listening to Pena on the postgame, even the announcers apparently knew Greinke was on a 85 pitch count today, because of the fact he took that ball off his arm the last time and they didn't want him to go from throwing 30 pitches one game and getting hurt to throwing 100 or more. I guess I'll live with that as long as we let him go to 100+ from now on....
Screw that!! It's just plain chicken $hit.... the guy was fine, Pena just does not want to be blamed if the kids are get's blown out or something. He will let a guy gettin over TJ surgery go well over 100 pitches, but a guy who was hit by a ball but just fine go only 86.... there is no sense there, just pure spineless manager and organization. :cuss:

Cochise
04-13-2005, 03:16 PM
There is no offensive identity to this team - None. I've been saying this since we broke for Spring training. So, the fact that we suck at the plate is of no surprise. What's surprising was the lack of offseason movement to get a fn identity for this team. THAT FRUSTRATES THE FOCK OUTTA ME!

There's one thing that bugs me, and I'm sure Allard and Tony know more about baseball than me, but here it is anyway.

I like Stairs, and all, but why play people like he and pickering? If we're going to have a low-rent, nothing-special lineup, do you want guys who are going to hit .250 (in pickering's case, in a good year) and chip in 15 HR's? Or should we get people who are better contact hitters, quicker on their feet, and try to manufacture runs?

I guess what I am saying is, you give up something if you have no power in your lineup, but is it worth running out 15 HR a year guys in your power spots? Why not use your organization's 9 best contact hitters, put the ball in play to force the other team to make plays, bunt, steal bases, and try to play to your strengths.

I dunno, perhaps I am stupid, but I don't know how much good it does.

Cochise
04-13-2005, 03:19 PM
Screw that!! It's just plain chicken $hit.... the guy was fine, Pena just does not want to be blamed if the kids are get's blown out or something. He will let a guy gettin over TJ surgery go well over 100 pitches, but a guy who was hit by a ball but just fine go only 86.... there is no sense there, just pure spineless manager and organization. :cuss:

I am fine with removing Greinke because of the bruise. Seems like I'm fine with every individual time they pull a young pitcher early. It's just that they always find an excuse to do it. There's always some reason why a chumpcicle like Field has to come in and give up a couple of dongs instead of letting Zack or Runelvys pitch to 2 more batters or something.

beavis
04-13-2005, 04:14 PM
Well listening to Pena on the postgame, even the announcers apparently knew Greinke was on a 85 pitch count today, because of the fact he took that ball off his arm the last time and they didn't want him to go from throwing 30 pitches one game and getting hurt to throwing 100 or more. I guess I'll live with that as long as we let him go to 100+ from now on....
I heard them say it on the way to the game, so I'm pretty sure they knew it.

beavis
04-13-2005, 04:14 PM
I am fine with removing Greinke because of the bruise. Seems like I'm fine with every individual time they pull a young pitcher early. It's just that they always find an excuse to do it. There's always some reason why a chumpcicle like Field has to come in and give up a couple of dongs instead of letting Zack or Runelvys pitch to 2 more batters or something.
It wouldn't have been an issue if we could hit a ball out of the infield.

This line of reasoning makes me think of when people blame the Chiefs offense for losing games.

beavis
04-13-2005, 04:24 PM
BTW, today was my first time seeing Greinke pitch. The kid is just phenomenal. I mentioned this in another thread, but he totally punked Sexson today. It was hilarious, made him look foolish. The radar gun said 62 after the first one, and 64 on the strike three. There was audible "whoa" from the crowd, and a standing ovation afterwards.

OmahaChief
04-13-2005, 04:44 PM
There's one thing that bugs me, and I'm sure Allard and Tony know more about baseball than me, but here it is anyway.

I like Stairs, and all, but why play people like he and pickering? If we're going to have a low-rent, nothing-special lineup, do you want guys who are going to hit .250 (in pickering's case, in a good year) and chip in 15 HR's? Or should we get people who are better contact hitters, quicker on their feet, and try to manufacture runs?

I guess what I am saying is, you give up something if you have no power in your lineup, but is it worth running out 15 HR a year guys in your power spots? Why not use your organization's 9 best contact hitters, put the ball in play to force the other team to make plays, bunt, steal bases, and try to play to your strengths.

I dunno, perhaps I am stupid, but I don't know how much good it does.

Considering Stairs plays harder then most guys on our team I will take him any day. As for Pick, well its not like Harvey is lighting it up here in Omaha and they are about the same age so that is a wash. You have to have a couple guys with a bit of pop at the plate in my opinion and that is what purpose they are to serve.

Cochise
04-13-2005, 04:49 PM
Considering Stairs plays harder then most guys on our team I will take him any day. As for Pick, well its not like Harvey is lighting it up here in Omaha and they are about the same age so that is a wash. You have to have a couple guys with a bit of pop at the plate in my opinion and that is what purpose they are to serve.

Yeah, I meant that Stairs is probably a poor example, because his effort is always high and he seems to give clutch hits and all that. But, what I really mean to ask is, at what point should you not keep a guy around only for power potential if they don't really bring much else.