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DanT
04-13-2005, 03:31 PM
Cool pit bull story...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=817&e=18&u=/ap/heroic_pit_bulls
Wed Apr 13, 8:14 AM ET Strange News - AP



OMAHA, Neb. - Two dogs whose breed has a reputation for being mean played the roles of rescuers for a woman who was being attacked by another dog.



A red chow was on top of Angie Pecoraro, 22, in her yard on Monday when two pit bulls jumped over a fence and fought off the chow, Nebraska Humane Society spokeswoman Pam Wiese said.


Witnesses said the chow had bitten Pecoraro several times on her hands, arms and stomach, Wiese said.


An ambulance took Pecoraro to a hospital, where she was treated and released, Wiese said.


The Humane Society impounded the chow, and its owner was ticketed for not having the dog restrained and for harboring a dangerous animal. It will be quarantined to make sure it doesn't have rabies, Wiese said.

chiefs4me
04-13-2005, 03:42 PM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow. Don't start in on Red Chows...that is what I have always had and you won't find a more loyal dog.

Bowser
04-13-2005, 03:43 PM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow. Don't start in on Red Chows...that is what I have always had and you won't find a more loyal dog.

So you're saying this 22 year old provoked the dog into attacking her?

JimNasium
04-13-2005, 03:43 PM
It will be quarantined to make sure it doesn't have rabies, Wiese said.
I can't believe they are quarantining this dog. It should be euthanised and tested for rabies. :shake:

eazyb81
04-13-2005, 03:44 PM
About time pit bulls get some good publicity. They are great dogs, but can be easily abused by bad owners.

Bowser
04-13-2005, 03:45 PM
I can't believe they are quarantining this dog. It should be euthanised and tested for rabies. :shake:

Those life loving PETA freaks are going to want to kill you for saying that.

Pitt Gorilla
04-13-2005, 03:45 PM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow. Don't start in on Red Chows...that is what I have always had and you won't find a more loyal dog.Enter Big Daddy...

JimNasium
04-13-2005, 03:46 PM
Those life loving PETA freaks are going to want to kill you for saying that.
Won't be the first time someone has wanted to kill me. :)

chiefs4me
04-13-2005, 04:00 PM
So you're saying this 22 year old provoked the dog into attacking her?





There has to be more to the story. The pits just decided at that moment to jump their fence...:rolleyes:

Jenny Gump
04-13-2005, 04:30 PM
Sounds to me like they thought they were going to miss out on all the white meat.

Bowser
04-13-2005, 04:35 PM
There has to be more to the story. The pits just decided at that moment to jump their fence...:rolleyes:

Of course, because no dog has ever gone batshit without reason before.

CosmicPal
04-13-2005, 04:35 PM
A mother and her son were flying Southwest Airlines from El Paso to San Diego. The son, who had been looking out the window, turned to his mother and asked, "If big dogs have baby dogs and big cats have baby cats, why don't big planes have baby planes?"

The mother (who couldn't think of an answer) told her son to ask the stewardess. So the boy walked back to the flight attendant and asked, "If big dogs have baby dogs and big cats have baby cats, why don't big planes have baby planes?"
The stewardess responded, "Did your mother tell you to ask me that?" The boy said, "Yes, she did."
"Well then, tell your mother that there are no baby planes because Southwest always pulls out on time. Have your mother explain that to you.

Calcountry
04-13-2005, 04:59 PM
Enter Big Daddy...Yeah, I am 8 posts down and wondering where he is already. lol

Donger
04-13-2005, 05:03 PM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow. Don't start in on Red Chows...that is what I have always had and you won't find a more loyal dog.

Quite simply, never trust ANY breed of dog that is capable of ripping your throat out if it decides to do so.

Cochise
04-13-2005, 05:05 PM
I have never dealt with Pit Bulls, but when I was growing up my neighbors had a chow and that thing was the meanest MFer on 4 legs. I would have rather gone over the fence to retrieve a baseball from a friggin wolverine than that thing and it's kill total of neighborhood pets had to be into the double digits from when it would get out. To this day those freakin things scare me.

Jenson71
04-13-2005, 05:14 PM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow. Don't start in on Red Chows...that is what I have always had and you won't find a more loyal dog.

They're known as being excellent guard dogs for a reason.

chiefs4me
04-13-2005, 05:59 PM
Sounds to me like they thought they were going to miss out on all the white meat.





ROFL.........:thumb:

RedNFeisty
04-13-2005, 06:09 PM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow. Don't start in on Red Chows...that is what I have always had and you won't find a more loyal dog.


OMG, I love dogs, Pitts and Chows included, however, the Chows I owned were the worse for fighting. I had a Great Dane at the same time my mom had three Red Chows. The three chows fought consistently. The three in a circle going at each other and Alex (Great Dane) would take one at a time and toss them over his "shoulder". Funniest damn sight!! Alex was my baby, I was the only one that he let walk him, my mom was always drug. He was also my sleeping buddy!!

It all has to do with the dog and owners, not the breed. :thumb:

ENDelt260
04-13-2005, 06:11 PM
A mother and her son were flying Southwest Airlines from El Paso to San Diego. The son, who had been looking out the window, turned to his mother and asked, "If big dogs have baby dogs and big cats have baby cats, why don't big planes have baby planes?"

The mother (who couldn't think of an answer) told her son to ask the stewardess. So the boy walked back to the flight attendant and asked, "If big dogs have baby dogs and big cats have baby cats, why don't big planes have baby planes?"
The stewardess responded, "Did your mother tell you to ask me that?" The boy said, "Yes, she did."
"Well then, tell your mother that there are no baby planes because Southwest always pulls out on time. Have your mother explain that to you.

Haha... sweet. I don't know how it landed in this thread, but funny anyway.

Freekofnature
04-13-2005, 06:50 PM
Im not exactly sure but I heard long time ago in CHina they used those big chow chows on tigers and one chow chow was capable of killing a tiger.

I guess I shouldnt mess with one. They bark like mean MFers too.

Freekofnature
04-13-2005, 06:52 PM
I have never dealt with Pit Bulls, but when I was growing up my neighbors had a chow and that thing was the meanest MFer on 4 legs. I would have rather gone over the fence to retrieve a baseball from a friggin wolverine than that thing and it's kill total of neighborhood pets had to be into the double digits from when it would get out. To this day those freakin things scare me.
How big was it?

The big ass ones are capable of killing tigers.

Crazy.

Freekofnature
04-13-2005, 07:05 PM
http://ak.essortment.com/chowchows_rdkr.htm

Chow chows: pros & cons of owning one
Chow Chows dogs have their pros and cons. Here is a brief history of their breed and an overview.

So, you want to buy a Chow! First of all, read the overview of the characteristics and qualities of a Chow. Remember that these are intelligent, but somewhat difficult to train dogs. Then, read over and think about the pros and cons of owning a Chow. An informed pet owner is a good pet owner.

Here is a brief history on the breed: The Chow Chow is one of our most ancient breeds. Chow Chow ancestors were noted for having escorted the Tartars on their assault of China. The generally accepted belief is that Chows are an original breed of dog that was first domesticated by the Mongolians. Existence of Chows has been documented as far back as eleventh century B.C. Chows are featured on Chinese pottery and in ancient paintings. One hypothesis for the source of the Chow’s name is that it comes from the Chinese word “chaou.” This Chinese word translates to the English equivalent of “a dog of great strength.”

Chows became fashionable in the U.S. roughly around the same time that they were gaining respect in England. "Chinese Chum" was the winner of the first U.S. Chow Chow competition in 1905. “Chinese Chum” also won best of breed at the Westminster Dog Show in 1906.

An overview of the characteristics and qualities of the Chow:

The Chow Chow is a compact, powerful breed whose typical appearance is one of leonine self-sufficiency. Chows have thick, rough coats. Chow Chows may be red, cream, brown, or black in color. Chow Chows should have large heads. A proper Chow Chow will carry his/her head erectly. The Chow Chow has deep-set eyes, usually brown in color. A lion-like ruff accentuates the Chow Chow’s short muzzle. The Chow Chow’s nose is broad and black in color. The Chow Chow is noted for possessing a uniquely blue-black tongue. A Chow Chow should have a chest that is broad and deep. Chow Chows are also noted for having an attractive tail that curls over the back. A Chow Chow’s forelegs should be straight, while its hind legs should be heavier and more muscular. A full grown male should stand about 20 in tall and may weigh more than 50 pounds. Females will be only slightly smaller and weigh only slightly less than their male counterparts.

Pros of owning a Chow:

Chow Chows are loyal watchdogs. Chow Chows are steadfast protectors of domicile and family. They are naturally unfriendly to and suspicious of strangers. This helps Chow Chows to be good guard dogs. Chows rarely bite unless threatened or cornered. Chow Chows seem to naturally give a growl warning, at least twice, before attacking or biting a perceived danger.

Chow Chows may be more difficult to train than some other breeds, but have a natural instinct to protect their owners. When properly trained, Chow Chows will give their lives for their homes and families.

Chow Chows are often compared to cats, as they will let their owners know when they want attention and affection. They do not require large amounts of petting and touching, nor do they seem to prefer being fawned over by their owners.

Cons of owning a Chow:

Chow Chows have an independent and sometimes extremely stubborn in nature.

Chow Chows can be jealous. Be cautious when introducing a new baby into the Chow Chow’s home.

Chows are prone to killing small animals such as rodents and cats. A Chow Chow may even leave a mouse or other dead animal at your door as a gift, not unlike a cat. Chow Chows have been known to kill smaller animals just for sport.

Chow Chows are difficult to train, and are not recommended for first time pet owners. If you are unable or unwilling to show your dog who is the boss, don’t buy a Chow Chow.

For more information on Chow Chows, contact your American Kennel Association.

stumppy
04-13-2005, 08:22 PM
Alex was my baby, I was the only one that he let walk him, my mom was always drug. He was also my sleeping buddy!!


Now I know where the phrase " Lucky Dog " came from.

unlurking
04-13-2005, 08:37 PM
A mother and her son were flying Southwest Airlines from El Paso to San Diego. The son, who had been looking out the window, turned to his mother and asked, "If big dogs have baby dogs and big cats have baby cats, why don't big planes have baby planes?"

The mother (who couldn't think of an answer) told her son to ask the stewardess. So the boy walked back to the flight attendant and asked, "If big dogs have baby dogs and big cats have baby cats, why don't big planes have baby planes?"
The stewardess responded, "Did your mother tell you to ask me that?" The boy said, "Yes, she did."
"Well then, tell your mother that there are no baby planes because Southwest always pulls out on time. Have your mother explain that to you.
ROFL

As far as chows, they can be extremely loyal and faithful pets, but I have seen some mean ass chows before. IMO, it has less to do with the breed, and more to do with the upbringing.

chiefs4me
04-13-2005, 08:38 PM
OMG, I love dogs, Pitts and Chows included, however, the Chows I owned were the worse for fighting. I had a Great Dane at the same time my mom had three Red Chows. The three chows fought consistently. The three in a circle going at each other and Alex (Great Dane) would take one at a time and toss them over his "shoulder". Funniest damn sight!! Alex was my baby, I was the only one that he let walk him, my mom was always drug. He was also my sleeping buddy!!

It all has to do with the dog and owners, not the breed. :thumb:




You got that right...it's all in how you raise them...:thumb: I just think this story is funny because the pits picked that moment to jump the fence.:rolleyes:

Pants
04-13-2005, 09:17 PM
lol, c4me got owned again.

chiefs4me
04-13-2005, 09:23 PM
lol, c4me got owned again.



really.........where? :rolleyes:

Pants
04-13-2005, 09:24 PM
really.........where? :rolleyes:

lol, I think I read about 15 posts proving you wrong on how peaceful Chows are.

Bowser
04-13-2005, 09:29 PM
lol, I think I read about 15 posts proving you wrong on how peaceful Chows are.

Go easy on her Metro.....

elvomito
04-13-2005, 09:30 PM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow. Don't start in on Red Chows...that is what I have always had and you won't find a more loyal dog.

you couldn't be more wrong.
chows are known as "man-biters" (i don't know about red chows though)
and, pits will take sides with a human vs a dog ANY day
chows for the most part were used for food, not companionship

chiefs4me
04-13-2005, 09:36 PM
you couldn't be more wrong.
chows are known as "man-biters" (i don't know about red chows though)
and, pits will take sides with a human vs a dog ANY day
chows for the most part were used for food, not companionship





oh be still my heart....a man said I was wrong :harumph: however will I sleep tonight.....:rolleyes:

Pants
04-13-2005, 09:36 PM
you couldn't be more wrong.
chows are known as "man-biters" (i don't know about red chows though)
and, pits will take sides with a human vs a dog ANY day
chows for the most part were used for food, not companionship

ROFL

Pants
04-13-2005, 09:37 PM
oh be still my heart....a man said I was wrong :harumph: however will I sleep tonight.....:rolleyes:

He didn't say it because he's a man or you're a woman, it's because you ARE wrong. Once you learn that, never mind - scratch that - you never learn.

chiefs4me
04-13-2005, 09:40 PM
lol, I think I read about 15 posts proving you wrong on how peaceful Chows are.





I don't really have time for your crap tonight.. but here we go. I said they do not attack for no reason and they are loyal. I never said peaceful..:rolleyes: but you look for any reason to nitpick...and I have figured out why. You must have unresolved problems or feelings about older women....ROFL

Cochise
04-13-2005, 09:41 PM
I don't really have time for your crap tonight.. but here we go. I said they do not attack for no reason and they are loyal. I never said peaceful..:rolleyes: but you look for any reason to nitpick...and I have figured out why. You must have unresolved problems or feelings about older women....ROFL

and believe us, she is an OLDER woman.

elvomito
04-13-2005, 09:45 PM
I don't really have time for your crap tonight.. but here we go. I said they do not attack for no reason and they are loyal. I never said peaceful..:rolleyes: but you look for any reason to nitpick...and I have figured out why. You must have unresolved problems or feelings about older women....ROFL

okay okay you raised a good one!

that brings you honor, not the breed

personally i want general tso to drop in

Pants
04-13-2005, 09:46 PM
You must have unresolved problems or feelings about older women....ROFL

I thought that was Saul. Besides, I don't know WTF you mean by that. It's just painful to see someone spew so much stupid shit ALL THE TIME.

So, would you say that Chows aren't peaceful dogs?

chiefs4me
04-13-2005, 09:46 PM
and believe us, she is an OLDER woman.




:deevee:........43 next month

chiefs4me
04-13-2005, 09:52 PM
I thought that was Saul. Besides, I don't know WTF you mean by that. It's just painful to see someone spew so much stupid shit ALL THE TIME.

So, would you say that Chows aren't peaceful dogs?



Trying to bait me are? :rolleyes:

Put me on Ignore and you won't have to read my stupid crap...:harumph:


Sweetdreams...ROFL

Pants
04-13-2005, 09:54 PM
Trying to bait me are? :rolleyes:

Put me on Ignore and you won't have to read my stupid crap...:harumph:


Sweetdreams...ROFL

I'm not trying to bait. Something that obvious isn't bait. I'm trying to prove to you that you were wrong.

dtebbe
04-13-2005, 10:05 PM
Chows have to be the most prolithic breeders on earth. It seems like just about every other mutt you see has some chow in it. And honestly, I have never seen a chow that was worth a $hit.

:bang: CHOW

DT

Gravedigger
04-13-2005, 11:43 PM
I believe that any dog is made into a ferocious animal not born into. Of course chow's and pitbulls are more agressive breeds but any dog can be made into a house pet or a protector. And the best dog I ever had was a part chow dtebbe. He would always bark when people were coming until you told him not to then he'd stop other then that he was the nicest dog and never attacked anybody.

Cochise
04-14-2005, 07:22 AM
How big was it?

The big ass ones are capable of killing tigers.

Crazy.

I don't remember it being especially big, but I was only like 7 or 8. I just know that if you had given me the choice of spending 5 minuntes in a shark tank or that thing's yard I would have went running for my trunks.

Bwana
04-14-2005, 07:29 AM
All I want to know is WHERE IN THE HELL IS BIG DADDY?

jarjar
04-14-2005, 07:33 AM
Chows are a notoriously aggressive breed. They don't have the problems in the media that Pit Bulls do, but in my opinion they aren't any less likely to be problem dogs than Pits. Chows are not recommended for homes with small children, and you will hear that repeated in a lot of places.

Not that I really think any breed is dangerous to it's owner (within reason), but some breeds are very dangerous to strangers and other animals. Chows, like Pit Bulls, are one example of breed you don't want to run into in a back alley. Another thing, I hate seeing other dog owners talk bad about Pit Bulls in their ignorance, and a Chow owner doing it is just... seriously.

Cochise
04-14-2005, 07:35 AM
Another thing, I hate seeing other dog owners talk bad about Pit Bulls in their ignorance, and a Chow owner doing it is just... seriously.

Allow us to introduce you to chiefs8me...

Kerberos
04-14-2005, 07:52 AM
:deevee:........43 next month

Does this mean you will show us your breasts now on your 43rd birthday?

:D



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Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 07:54 AM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow.

The dog was in her yard attacking her. I don’t care what breed the dog is, the owner should be held responsible for not keeping it restrained.
I’ve also owned a pit, and your right they were after the chow. Mine was very friendly to humans, but if she came across another dog, it was on.

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 07:57 AM
oh be still my heart....a man said I was wrong :harumph: however will I sleep tonight.....:rolleyes:

Well, at least you come to a conversation with an informed opinion and not just a bunch of emotional crap. :thumb:

Cochise
04-14-2005, 08:03 AM
The dog was in her yard attacking her. I don’t care what breed the dog is, the owner should be held responsible for not keeping it restrained.

Whatever dude, she provoked it, Chows don't attack for no reason, no matter what their upbringing or owner might be like. You doggie racist. :shake:

bringbackmarty
04-14-2005, 08:04 AM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow. Don't start in on Red Chows...that is what I have always had and you won't find a more loyal dog.
Or in this case, stupid.
What kind of guard dog mauls someone in someone elses yard?
well we don't know all of the details, like where exactly thew woman was standing, in relation to the chow's owner, who it sounds like wasn't there at all. so you can't assume the pit bulls weren't protecting the woman. Any animal will attack for no reason if it's been abused enough in the right way.
Pit bulls are more loyal than Chows, Alsatians, Boston's, Dachsunds, Cock-a-poo-s, Bloodhounds, the mighty beagle, Frisbee dogs, to name a few, are all are more loyal than chows it seems.
The dog should be destroyed, after someone trains it to maul it's owner.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 08:04 AM
Chows have to be the most prolithic breeders on earth. It seems like just about every other mutt you see has some chow in it. And honestly, I have never seen a chow that was worth a $hit.

:bang: CHOW

DT



:rolleyes:

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 08:05 AM
Whatever dude, she provoked it, Chows don't attack for no reason, no matter what their upbringing or owner might be like. You doggie racist. :shake:

Yup, that’s me. I’m a doggy snob. If you ain’t got Labs, you ain’t got chit.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 08:06 AM
Allow us to introduce you to chiefs8me...






please learn how to spell my name....:harumph:

Bowser
04-14-2005, 08:07 AM
Yup, that’s me. I’m a doggy snob. If you ain’t got Labs, you ain’t got chit.

My Heeler/Beagle mix said to kiss her ass, right before she pissed down her leg and went running for cover. Little wuss. :shake:

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 08:08 AM
Or in this case, stupid.
What kind of guard dog mauls someone in someone elses yard?
well we don't know all of the details, like where exactly thew woman was standing, in relation to the chow's owner, who it sounds like wasn't there at all. so you can't assume the pit bulls weren't protecting the woman. Any animal will attack for no reason if it's been abused enough in the right way.
Pit bulls are more loyal than Chows, Alsatians, Boston's, Dachsunds, Cock-a-poo-s, Bloodhounds, the mighty beagle, Frisbee dogs, to name a few, are all are more loyal than chows it seems.
The dog should be destroyed, after someone trains it to maul it's owner.





bite me asshole...

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 08:10 AM
My Heeler/Beagle mix said to kiss her ass, right before she pissed down her leg and went running for cover. Little wuss. :shake:

My rat terrier is about the same. It amazes me cat’s will actually run from her. I’ve always wondered what she’d do if a cat actually turned around and faced her down.

Cochise
04-14-2005, 08:12 AM
The dog should be destroyed, after someone trains it to maul it's owner.

Any dog that attacks another human except an intruder or whatever ought to be destroyed. If you can't control your friggin mutt or at least leave it in the house then you shouldn't be allowed to have one.

Kerberos
04-14-2005, 08:41 AM
Or in this case, stupid.
What kind of guard dog mauls someone in someone elses yard?
well we don't know all of the details, like where exactly thew woman was standing, in relation to the chow's owner, who it sounds like wasn't there at all. so you can't assume the pit bulls weren't protecting the woman. Any animal will attack for no reason if it's been abused enough in the right way.
Pit bulls are more loyal than Chows, Alsatians, Boston's, Dachsunds, Cock-a-poo-s, Bloodhounds, the mighty beagle, Frisbee dogs, to name a few, are all are more loyal than chows it seems.
The dog should be destroyed, after someone trains it to maul it's owner.


Dachsunds are one of the most LOYAL one owner dogs you can find. So I disagree with that assumption a little.

My weenie dog is the most loyal dog I have ever owned ... friend of mine has three of them and his are th same way.

BUT ... they are one owner dogs so that might be some of your point .. they are not really loyal to more than 1 person in my experience.



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phisherman
04-14-2005, 08:52 AM
god, who cares :harumph:

chiefs4me: your chow isn't the same as every other chow in the world

i've only been around one in my life on a consistent basis, and she was one mean b***h!

bp

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 08:58 AM
Chows do not attack for no reason.....and the pits were not protecting the lady,they were only after the chow. Don't start in on Red Chows...that is what I have always had and you won't find a more loyal dog.

You're batshit crazy if you think that is true.

In college, my roomate and I were playing catch in the yard.......a ball went over my head and into the neighbor's yard(who was sitting her fat greasy ass, with her lazy greasy husband and 4 dogs in the yard).......wouldn't get my ball, so I went to get it..........

Their RED CHOW decided it was a good idea to bite me on the back of my left leg.......bit the hell out of my left calf.......Bad Idea, since I kick like a mule with my right. It bit me and I stomped its fargin head half flat.

yeah........that broad sounded alot like you, as she yelled at ME for being mean to her innocent little dog.

Over the course of weeks, that mutt found an occasional Blowdart in its ass.............and eventually a Meatball suprise.

Should have kicked the owners too.

Brock
04-14-2005, 09:01 AM
Chows are pretty fuggin stupid dogs.

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 09:04 AM
My buddy had one in HS..........It was a black one.

He was a cow barber.........professional show cattle clipper/groomer when we were 16-17.

We decided one day to give that wooly dog a summer haircut.......shaved him like a lion.........left from the legs up wooly, the bottoms of his legs and end of his tail.........It looked awesome, but I still hated his dog. It was stupid.........dumber than the Mutt we had named "dummy", who jumped a bar mower and got his legs all cut off.

Cochise
04-14-2005, 09:09 AM
bite me on the back of my left leg.......bit the hell out of my left calf.......Bad Idea, since I kick like a mule with my right. It bit me and I stomped its fargin head half flat.

If a dog bit me I would not only kick the crap out of it until it was yelping like I'd torn its crank off, i would have been calling the dogcatcher to come give that fleabag the needle.

jspchief
04-14-2005, 09:11 AM
Everything I've always heard has said that Chows are among the more aggressive dog breeds.

In general I don't believe that breed is as responsible as upbringing, but there are some breeds that are clearly more aggressive.

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 09:13 AM
Any dog that attacks another human except an intruder or whatever ought to be destroyed. If you can't control your friggin mutt or at least leave it in the house then you shouldn't be allowed to have one.

I agree and disagree with this. If your dog is out roaming the neighborhood and bites someone, the dog should be taken away and the owner fined heavily, but not necessarily destroyed for it.
Sometimes the people bit actually do bring it on themselves.
Personal story here, when I lived in Tulsa I had a female pit, she was one of the best dogs I’ve ever had.
One day she’s raise’n a huge ruckus so I go to our fenced in back yard to see what the deal was. There I found one of the neighbor’s kids leaning over our fence beating her with a stick. I, of course, yelled at the kid and told him she’d snatch his face off if given half a chance and to just leave her alone. Thing is, if she’d bitten this punk brat, my dog would’ve been taken away, destroyed, and I’d be in big trouble even though she was in my fenced in yard.
It’s :BS: but that’s the way it is.

Mark M
04-14-2005, 09:21 AM
The two meanest dogs I've ever met were a Chiauaha (sp?) and a Dachsund. The owner of the former was mean as hell to it, while the owner of the latter had two Chows that were the biggest babies I've ever seen.

Just goes to show that there are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

MM
~~:shrug:

Cochise
04-14-2005, 09:23 AM
I agree and disagree with this. If your dog is out roaming the neighborhood and bites someone, the dog should be taken away and the owner fined heavily, but not necessarily destroyed for it.
Sometimes the people bit actually do bring it on themselves.
Personal story here, when I lived in Tulsa I had a female pit, she was one of the best dogs I’ve ever had.
One day she’s raise’n a huge ruckus so I go to our fenced in back yard to see what the deal was. There I found one of the neighbor’s kids leaning over our fence beating her with a stick. I, of course, yelled at the kid and told him she’d snatch his face off if given half a chance and to just leave her alone. Thing is, if she’d bitten this punk brat, my dog would’ve been taken away, destroyed, and I’d be in big trouble even though she was in my fenced in yard.
It’s :BS: but that’s the way it is.

Well, that is different because she was in your yard and he was beating it with a stick. You werent being irresponsible with it or anything. I'm referring to dogs that people don't keep secured. The one that runs around loose all the time, for whatever reason, maybe it jumps the fence or digs under it. If they bite someone they should be destroyed IMO. People should have to keep their dogs locked up if they want to keep them. If they get out then they should build a higher fence, keep it in the house, or get rid of it.

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 09:23 AM
If a dog bit me I would not only kick the crap out of it until it was yelping like I'd torn its crank off, i would have been calling the dogcatcher to come give that fleabag the needle.

Imagine 2 300lb greasy trailer-parkers-4-life Squealing and screaming at you at the top of their lungs for kicking their dog.......as it bites you.

They both deserved a kick to the lips.

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 09:28 AM
Well, that is different because she was in your yard and he was beating it with a stick. You werent being irresponsible with it or anything. I'm referring to dogs that people don't keep secured. The one that runs around loose all the time, for whatever reason, maybe it jumps the fence or digs under it. If they bite someone they should be destroyed IMO. People should have to keep their dogs locked up if they want to keep them. If they get out then they should build a higher fence, keep it in the house, or get rid of it.

I mostly agree with that, just against destroying a dog because the owners an irresponsible jackass. But I’m a dog person and my opinion is probably prejudiced.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 09:30 AM
god, who cares :harumph:

chiefs4me: your chow isn't the same as every other chow in the world

i've only been around one in my life on a consistent basis, and she was one mean b***h!

bp



Well i guess you care or you wouldn't of clicked on the thread...:rolleyes:


I never said my chows were the same as others........:harumph:


chows are also good judge of character.....so if she was a bitch to you.......:)

jynni
04-14-2005, 09:33 AM
In college, my roomate and I were playing catch in the yard.......a ball went over my head and into the neighbor's yard(who was sitting her fat greasy ass, with her lazy greasy husband and 4 dogs in the yard).......wouldn't get my ball, so I went to get it..........

Their RED CHOW decided it was a good idea to bite me on the back of my left leg.......bit the hell out of my left calf.......Bad Idea, since I kick like a mule with my right. It bit me and I stomped its fargin head half flat.

So you were surprised that the chow bit you for trespassing on its territory?

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 09:37 AM
You're batshit crazy if you think that is true.

In college, my roomate and I were playing catch in the yard.......a ball went over my head and into the neighbor's yard(who was sitting her fat greasy ass, with her lazy greasy husband and 4 dogs in the yard).......wouldn't get my ball, so I went to get it..........

Their RED CHOW decided it was a good idea to bite me on the back of my left leg.......bit the hell out of my left calf.......Bad Idea, since I kick like a mule with my right. It bit me and I stomped its fargin head half flat.

yeah........that broad sounded alot like you, as she yelled at ME for being mean to her innocent little dog.

Over the course of weeks, that mutt found an occasional Blowdart in its ass.............and eventually a Meatball suprise.

Should have kicked the owners too.



I knew I gave you the nickname Killer for a reason.......ROFL


so let me get this right...you are mad because you got bit by a dog in a yard you weren't supposed to be in.....:rolleyes: and I guess you think you can go anywhere you want to...is that it?

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 09:39 AM
So you were surprised that the chow bit you for trespassing on its territory?




ROFL..........rep to you...:thumb:

Bwana
04-14-2005, 09:46 AM
I knew I gave you the nickname Killer for a reason.......ROFL


so let me get this right...you are mad because you got bit by a dog in a yard you weren't supposed to be in.....:rolleyes: and I guess you think you can go anywhere you want to...is that it?I can see his point though. I have a neighbor who has a "thing." The thing is a 3/4 wolf and 1/4 German Shepard. I was playing with my dogs last year, kicking a giant ball and it ended up over the fence. The ditch pig nieghbor was sitting out back cleaning her hot tub and I asked her to toss it back over. She gave me this smart ass answer of, "if you can get past my dog, you can come and get it yourself." I'm thinking WTF? :spock: I asked again and she said nope.

I went in my shop and grabbed a 17 inch pipe wrench, walked over, went in the yard, growled at the dog which ran over behind the ditch pig and got my ball. As I was leaving LMAO, all I said was "nice dog." The look on her face was priceless.

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 10:00 AM
Yeah.

A good dog doesn't bite people for walking into a yard, with the owners sitting right there.

If my dog bit someone, I'd shoot him at the next available moment.

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 10:02 AM
I knew I gave you the nickname Killer for a reason.......ROFL


so let me get this right...you are mad because you got bit by a dog in a yard you weren't supposed to be in.....:rolleyes: and I guess you think you can go anywhere you want to...is that it?

Would you say the same thing if say........a 6 year old Neighbor kid had gone to the same spot to get a ball? It would have been teh Kids fault for getting bitten? the difference is, a kid would have gotten mauled.

Should have killed ALL of their dogs.

I think you enjoy your roll of being an ignorant rutt.

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 10:08 AM
Yeah.

A good dog doesn't bite people for walking into a yard, with the owners sitting right there.

If my dog bit someone, I'd shoot him at the next available moment.

I sort of disagree, but a reasonable responsible owner would’ve fetched the ball for ya or at least restrained the dog(s) while you got the ball.
Sounds like they wanted to be jackasses, and as such shouldn’t biatch about the outcome of there jackassery, IMO.

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 10:10 AM
If your dog bites a kid.........and there were alot of small kids wondering around that same neighborhood.......you, as the owner are responsible.

I have zero patience for a mean dog.

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 10:16 AM
If your dog bites a kid.........and there were alot of small kids wondering around that same neighborhood.......you, as the owner are responsible.

I have zero patience for a mean dog.

If you’ve got your dogs restrained (fenced in yard like mine always are, penned or chained) and a kid walks into their territory it’s not the dog’s fault for defending its territory. Parents should be responsible for educating their kids about dogs, and staying out of other's yards, as much as dog owners are responsible for ensuring there dogs are restrained.
I have no patience for a mean dog either, but just because a dog follows its instinct doesn’t mean it’s a “mean” dog.

Brock
04-14-2005, 10:23 AM
If you’ve got your dogs restrained (fenced in yard like mine always are, penned or chained) and a kid walks into their territory it’s not the dog’s fault for defending its territory. Parents should be responsible for educating their kids about dogs, and staying out of other's yards, as much as dog owners are responsible for ensuring there dogs are restrained.
I have no patience for a mean dog either, but just because a dog follows its instinct doesn’t mean it’s a “mean” dog.

You're still gonna get sued if a kid gets bit.

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 10:25 AM
You're still gonna get sued if a kid gets bit.

I know. That’s the reality and IMO it’s :BS: but it’s still gonna be what happens.

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 10:29 AM
Well...........inside a fence, is reasonable expectation of securing a dog.

taking 5 steps onto an unfenced yard, where a dog is chained, but can get to the street....isn't, IMO.

My neighborhood kids Routinely kick balls across teh street into our yard.......If I'm outside with Fido..........sometimes he'll go towards them.......and even though He'd not hurt anyone, unless nut bashing them with a waggin tail........I still call him back and restrain him.

An owner is responsible for the actions of Any animal they own.

I'm someone climbs your 6' fence, comes into your house, whatever........that is different IMO.

Any dog that bites me, has signed its death warrant. period. Any dog that bites my kid or nephews or neices.......has signed its death warrant.

I'll gladly pay that $100 fine for discharging a firearm in city limits.

DanT
04-14-2005, 10:42 AM
In my opinion, the temperment of any given dog depends on more than just how the dog was raised, it depends on the dog's ancestry. We have a couple of Samoyeds. They kind of look like Chows (except they're mostly white and have happier faces) and also come from East Asia, but the tribal people that developed the breed were interested in selecting dogs with friendly personalities, not ferocious guard dogs.

Here's a link to a page about Samoyeds and an excerpt about the dog's ancestry:

http://www.samoyed.org/ows/versatilebeauty.html

The Samoyed may have fared better under its primitive owners than did breeds developed by other Arctic people. Tribal Samoyed breeders must have loved their dogs greatly to create gentle animals that dote on children and have basically calm, predictable temperaments. As living blankets, Sams often brought comfort to Samoyed people in Siberia's biting cold winter nights. In warm, modern homes, many Samoyeds prefer to sleep next to (or in) their masters' beds, despite the hot discomfort of their heavy, double coats.

Such devotion does not cause a Samoyed to loyally defend his owner or owner's property. Sams usually trust and love all people and almost certainly will wag a tail at the burglar rather than exercise the toothy end. Warning barks as strangers approach his master's property only mean the Sam is excited with the prospect of someone new to love. Its loud voice makes the Samoyed a very useful watch dog despite the breed's total incompetence as an attacking guard dog.

Its light-hearted approach to life may reflect the general attitude of the original Samoyed people. In any case, the Sam's happy-go-lucky outlook has contributed to the American Kennel Club's description of the breed: "The big, white, smiling dog carries in its face the spirit of Christmas the whole year through."

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 10:44 AM
If your dog bites a kid.........and there were alot of small kids wondering around that same neighborhood.......you, as the owner are responsible.

I have zero patience for a mean dog.



I think you have zero patience.........:)

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 10:45 AM
you're just saying that because I don't like stupid people.

Bwana
04-14-2005, 10:46 AM
even though He'd not hurt anyone, unless nut bashing them with a waggin tail
ROFL You just described my Mastiff to the T. He's now 9 months old, weighs in at 140 pounds and loves kids more than food. Getting hit with that tail is like being on the wrong end of bull whip.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 10:50 AM
Well...........inside a fence, is reasonable expectation of securing a dog.

taking 5 steps onto an unfenced yard, where a dog is chained, but can get to the street....isn't, IMO.

My neighborhood kids Routinely kick balls across teh street into our yard.......If I'm outside with Fido..........sometimes he'll go towards them.......and even though He'd not hurt anyone, unless nut bashing them with a waggin tail........I still call him back and restrain him.

An owner is responsible for the actions of Any animal they own.

I'm someone climbs your 6' fence, comes into your house, whatever........that is different IMO.

Any dog that bites me, has signed its death warrant. period. Any dog that bites my kid or nephews or neices.......has signed its death warrant.

I'll gladly pay that $100 fine for discharging a firearm in city limits.




ROFL.......So if you come into my backyard uninvited......and my dog bites you, you think you have the right to kill him.:rolleyes:

I think I have found something bigger then texas.....your ego...:)


oh and I know you will reply with name calling....that's your SOP...ROFL

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 10:50 AM
My dog has a vicous bullwhip for a tail........that fuzzy yellow ball the size of a shoe, is a svelt 90lbs+ now and is tall for the breed. That dangerous Stegasaurus Tail is about Baow height to the average man, and face high on the average kid. He's just so damn excited to see people, that we have to be careful. I'm working with him...wrestle, wrestle-fight.....get him wound up and say "play nice" and he'll go calm..........its working, but have some more to do.

The problem solving skills of my fido are amazing me lately.............I threw a 5' stick in his kennel to chew on during the day........he ran in, bit the middle and looked confused when it hit both sides of the door...he dropped it, looked at me, looked at it, tilted his head.....grabbed the end and pulled it through.

Last night.........I have a basket I keep his toys in....I had a bottle of tennis balls I'd just bought in it....He took the bottle out of the basket, took the lid off with his feet and dumped the balls out.

Proof that he KNOWS when he's effin up, and deserves punishment.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 10:52 AM
you're just saying that because I don't like stupid people.





aw Killer.....you don't like yourself...let's talk about it..:hmmm:

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 10:53 AM
ROFL.......So if you come into my backyard uninvited......and my dog bites you, you think you have the right to kill him.:rolleyes:

I think I have found something bigger then texas.....your ego...:)


oh and I know you will reply with name calling....that's your SOP...ROFL

DP4MEmyselfI..........
You don't have a clue about looking at the big picture do you? Maybe I should use the crayons?

Its not about YOUR mutt, in YOUR back yard.


when some kid, delivery person, mail man, or the pool guy you're humping comes into your yard, and it bites them........don't cry to me if they sue your "my husband makes EleventyBajillion Dollars" ass.

it just occured to me, that you're Pre-trimspa Anna Nichole smith.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 10:56 AM
If I had a dog that bit someone, I'd have it put to sleep, unless it was defending me or my kids of course, but to bite for no reason is not good. :shake:

Bwana
04-14-2005, 10:58 AM
In my opinion, the temperment of any given dog depends on more than just how the dog was raised, it depends on the dog's ancestry.

You are 100% correct. I raised and sold Labs for 20 years and just like people, a lot of what a dog is made of is in its ancestry. Bad genes run in lines of dogs and are caused a lot of the time simply from to much interbreeding. Much like the banjo player on Deliverance.

Raising a dog in a kind gently way won't do much good if it's perdisposed genetocally to be a mean son of a beech.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 11:01 AM
You are 100% correct. I raised and sold Labs for 20 years and just like people, a lot of what a dog is made of is in its ancestry. Bad genes run in lines of dogs and are caused a lot of the time simply from to much interbreeding. Much like the banjo player on Deliverance.

Raising a dog in a kind gently way won't do much good if it's perdisposed genetocally to be a mean son of a beech.
yep, I agree, my daughter had a pit bull since it was a puppy, but when it got to be about 2 years old, it got mean as hell, (it ended up "running away").

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 11:03 AM
now Badgranny, don't go being rational now, you're going to make dp4me spittle on her keyboard.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 11:05 AM
DP4MEmyselfI..........
You don't have a clue about looking at the big picture do you? Maybe I should use the crayons?

Its not about YOUR mutt, in YOUR back yard.


when some kid, delivery person, mail man, or the pool guy you're humping comes into your yard, and it bites them........don't cry to me if they sue your "my husband makes EleventyBajillion Dollars" ass.

it just occured to me, that you're Pre-trimspa Anna Nichole smith.





Then how come it's about your mutt in your backyard...You must forget who you are talking to..I am not your wife......ROFL


Why would the mailman or delivery person come into my backyard uninvited? As for kids playing in my yard, it happens every day. that's when you put your dogs in their dog run, inside or don't let kids in your yard....common sense is all it takes.

Now about the pool man that came one time this year...not that he isin't a little cutie...but he is only like 25... and he came to buy all of the accessories from our pool, like pump and crap. I already said the other half was taking it down on me and building a bar and hottub room.
So if I wanna go swimming, I have to go next door now.....:deevee:


oh and I wish he made eleven whatever you said billion dollars....ROFL hell I would take care of us all......skip asked him to get online and I went and asked him for the 100th time and that was his reply...I don't change wording like others...:rolleyes:


yea I know....go bake a pie....ROFL

Bwana
04-14-2005, 11:05 AM
yep, I agree, my daughter had a pit bull since it was a puppy, but when it got to be about 2 years old, it got mean as hell, (it ended up "running away").That's the reason I spend A LOT of time with a pup and its parents before I ever consider bringing it home. I study not only how it interacts with people, but with the "pack" of pups itself. If you know what to look for, your chances are almost 100% you will end up with a good dog. If the pup has the correct hereditary traits, the rest is up to the owner and proper socialization of the dog.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 11:06 AM
now Badgranny, don't go being rational now, you're going to make dp4me spittle on her keyboard.
I speak only the truth, I don't care what she does on her keyboard, bottom line is a dog that bites for no reason needs to be put down.

Your right when you say if a dog bit someone in her yard they would sue, I would, if the damn thing is dangerous it need to be either done away with or tied up.

go bowe
04-14-2005, 11:07 AM
I don't really have time for your crap tonight.. but here we go. I said they do not attack for no reason and they are loyal. I never said peaceful..:rolleyes: but you look for any reason to nitpick...and I have figured out why. You must have unresolved problems or feelings about older women....ROFLso, do you know any "older women"?

i like 'em mature, you know... :p :p :p

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 11:10 AM
anyway............its all about genetics and conditioning.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 11:10 AM
That's the reason I spend A LOT of time with a pup and its parents before I ever consider bringing it home. I study not only how it interacts with people, but with that "pack" of pups itself. If you know what to look for, your chances are almost 100% you will end up with a good dog.
We were living in San Antonio at the time she got the pup, her boyfriend got it from someone who he said was really dirty people and the dogs looked dirty and starving, he wanted to save this one so he gave it to her, there was no reason for this dog to be mean except for its bloodline, she really loved it, treated it like a kid, bought it everything, and it got to where you couldn't trust it.

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 11:12 AM
T I went and asked him for the 100th time and that was his reply...I don't change wording like others...:rolleyes:


yea I know....go bake a pie....ROFL

I don't blame the man for not subjecting himself to public humiliation, knowing what an ignorant nag his #1 Broad is, online.

I'm guessing he's fully aware, and supports you being *here* so you'll leave him alone.

Frankie
04-14-2005, 11:14 AM
About time pit bulls get some good publicity. They are great dogs, but can be easily abused by bad owners.

Nah, they were just protecting their next lunch.

CoMoChief
04-14-2005, 11:15 AM
I dont care what anyone says about those two kinds of dogs. those dogs are meaner than shit and will always be like that, they are genetically mean and aggressive.

Brock
04-14-2005, 11:15 AM
I don't blame the man for not subjecting himself to public humiliation, knowing what an ignorant nag his #1 Broad is, online.

I'm guessing he's fully aware, and supports you being *here* so you'll leave him alone.

no doubt

CoMoChief
04-14-2005, 11:16 AM
but then again dogs dont attack unless they feel like there in danger. when a dog senses fear in someone, they know it, and they know to be cautious and sometimes they turn on ya. its just natural instinct of them tellin you to stay away.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 11:17 AM
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=87

badgirl
04-14-2005, 11:19 AM
but then again dogs dont attack unless they feel like there in danger. when a dog senses fear in someone, they know it, and they know to be cautious and sometimes they turn on ya. its just natural instinct of them tellin you to stay away.
Bullshit, what did I just say, my daughters dog got violent for no reason after 2 years of being treated better than a person, there was no reason for this dog to become aggressive against her or anyone else she (the dog) knew.

Another story of a dog was my mom and step dads chow, they raised it for 5 years since it was a baby this dog got so mean it bit my mom in the face, it bit my step dad 2 time, the second time he had to go to the hospital, my mom had to go to the hospital also but she lied and said it was a stray that bit her to protect its ass, well after my step dad went to the hospital they game and got the dog an it was put in a shelter, they called after it was all checked out and told my step dad he could come and get it, soon as they brought it outside, my stepdad reach to get it and it tried to bite him again and also jumped at the worked who brought him outside.
It ended up being put down, which i would have done after the first bite there wouldn't be no second chance

Brock
04-14-2005, 11:20 AM
I don't really care about what breed a dog is, I just don't like stupid dogs. Chows are among the dumbest I've ever seen, while the terrier breed is extremely trainable.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 11:25 AM
but then again dogs dont attack unless they feel like there in danger. when a dog senses fear in someone, they know it, and they know to be cautious and sometimes they turn on ya. its just natural instinct of them tellin you to stay away.

ROFL

badgirl
04-14-2005, 11:26 AM
I don't really care about what breed a dog is, I just don't like stupid dogs. Chows are among the dumbest I've ever seen, while the terrier breed is extremely trainable.
Oh yea, I had a boston terrier which sadly my kids took when they moved away :deevee: she was so smart, we got her at 7 weeks and she was precious, very hyper, but so cute, and smart as a whip. :thumb:

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 11:26 AM
yep, I agree, my daughter had a pit bull since it was a puppy, but when it got to be about 2 years old, it got mean as hell, (it ended up "running away").

ROFL Vey amusing, I love these stories.

Bwana
04-14-2005, 11:26 AM
ROFL

Well hello Troy, what the hell took you so long? :hmmm:

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 11:27 AM
I don't blame the man for not subjecting himself to public humiliation, knowing what an ignorant nag his #1 Broad is, online.

I'm guessing he's fully aware, and supports you being *here* so you'll leave him alone.




you all are so much fun....ROFL who's nagging who. It could be a thread about anything and one of you will come on saying chiefs4me is ...............................................hell it could be about baking and you would still know how to do it better or bigger or softer or whatever...I have never seen so many guys who think they are all that since the 6th grade...:thumb: I am used to it...it is so easy to push certain members buttons...


I must not be to damn stupid..I am sitting here on the pc. gonna hop in my truck after while to pick up kids then come home to my 4 bedroom house. If you wanna come visit you can stay in our camper parked outback............ROFL


And I AM ON THE PC so he will leave ME alone...:harumph:

Don't take my word for it.....don't even come to Texas...I will be in Mo by springfield for 11 days starting the 25th of may...come on down/over/up and meet my husband and I....:)

ENDelt260
04-14-2005, 11:27 AM
Well hello Troy, what the hell took you so long? :hmmm:
He got attacked by some vicious pittbulls and had to fight them off.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 11:29 AM
you all are so much fun....ROFL who's nagging who. It could be a thread about anything and one of you will come on saying chiefs4me is ...............................................hell it could be about baking and you would still know how to do it better or bigger or softer or whatever...I have never seen so many guys who think they are all that since the 6th grade...:thumb: I am used to it...it is so easy to push certain members buttons...


I must not be to damn stupid..I am sitting here on the pc. gonna hop in my truck after while to pick up kids then come home to my 4 bedroom house. If you wanna come visit you can stay in our camper parked outback............ROFL


And I AM ON THE PC so he will leave MR alone...:harumph:

Don't take my word for it.....don't even come to Texas...I will be in Mo by springfield for 11 days starting the 25th of may...come on down/over/up and meet my husband and I....:)




by the way...this invitation is open to everyone...come on over to Bennett Springs Trout park and do some fishing and have a beer......

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 11:32 AM
I think I'd rather put my pecker in a hot George Foreman Grill.


The Beer, fishing and stuff sounds fun.........but I prefer to fish in the Silence.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 11:33 AM
Well hello Troy, what the hell took you so long? :hmmm:

I have been busy as hell. Speaking of pits I haven't even found the time to run mine in the last week. Need to get that done today.

Mark M
04-14-2005, 11:34 AM
I just want to thank chiefs4me for saving this thread ...

MM
~~ROFL

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 11:34 AM
my 2c on chows.
The only unprovoked ive ever seen w/ my own two peepers was a chow who attacked a small boy.
Other than that i dont like hairy dogs.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 11:34 AM
I think I'd rather put my pecker in a hot George Foreman Grill.


The Beer, fishing and stuff sounds fun.........but I prefer to fish in the Silence.





We can do that........and don't forget to bring the wife.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 11:34 AM
I think I'd rather put my pecker in a hot George Foreman Grill.
:eek:

go bowe
04-14-2005, 11:36 AM
man, all this prejudice towards chows...

for years, during my first marriage, i raised champion show dogs - chows..

owned chows over the years since then and have a chow-brown lab mix now...

chows can be aloof, but they are not stupid (just ornery around the edges)...

sure, there are exceptions, but they are probably dogs that never got trained properly or were abused and/or neglected...

any dog can be mean, regardless of the breed...

being territorial and defensive when it comes to a chow's family or property is not a bad thing...

lots of other breeds are like that, or can be trained to be like that - they're called guard dogs...

and chows were not raised primarily for food in china, they were for the most part royal guard dogs...

now, of course, in china, even in the olden days, meat is meat and i have no doubt that chows, along with all other dogs and cats and rats, were eaten from time to time, but nobody would raise them for that purpose - they're all fur and not much meat...

in all my years of showing, training, selling and having chows in my home, i've never once had any personal experience of a negative nature with a chow, nor did any of my customers ever report a problem to me...

of course, that might have had something to do with the blood lines of my dogs as opposed to some others that do in fact seem a little mean around the edges...

bottom line, chows get a lot of bad press, but there isn't something inherently wrong with the breed, it's more a question of how the individual dog is treated/trained, imo...

badgirl
04-14-2005, 11:37 AM
ROFL Vey amusing, I love these stories.
It wasn't meant to be amusing, it really hurt her when the dog disappeared, and I hated to have to let it go, we all cared about her, even to this day and that was 4 years ago, if she talks about "Sandy" she will cry.

eazyb81
04-14-2005, 11:38 AM
As far as chows, they can be extremely loyal and faithful pets, but I have seen some mean ass chows before. IMO, it has less to do with the breed, and more to do with the upbringing.
You can say that about every breed of dog. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive then any other dog, but they are much more susceptible to being adopted by "questionable" owners that take advantage of their loyalty and willingness to please.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 11:39 AM
man, all this prejudice towards chows...

for years, during my first marriage, i raised champion show dogs - chows..

owned chows over the years since then and have a chow-brown lab mix now...

chows can be aloof, but they are not stupid (just ornery around the edges)...

sure, there are exceptions, but they are probably dogs that never got trained properly or were abused and/or neglected...

any dog can be mean, regardless of the breed...

being territorial and defensive when it comes to a chow's family or property is not a bad thing...

lots of other breeds are like that, or can be trained to be like that - they're called guard dogs...

and chows were not raised primarily for food in china, they were for the most part royal guard dogs...

now, of course, in china, even in the olden days, meat is meat and i have no doubt that chows, along with all other dogs and cats and rats, were eaten from time to time, but nobody would raise them for that purpose - they're all fur and not much meat...

in all my years of showing, training, selling and having chows in my home, i've never once had any personal experience of a negative nature with a chow, nor did any of my customers ever report a problem to me...

of course, that might have had something to do with the blood lines of my dogs as opposed to some others that do in fact seem a little mean around the edges...

bottom line, chows get a lot of bad press, but there isn't something inherently wrong with the breed, it's more a question of how the individual dog is treated/trained, imo...





PBJ You are the best......now post some pictures of your dogs...:thumb:

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 11:40 AM
It wasn't meant to be amusing, it really hurt her when the dog disappeared, and I hated to have to let it go, we all cared about her, even to this day and that was 4 years ago, if she talks about "Sandy" she will cry.

PB's raised outside will often times take off. Mine would never take off. I have left the gate open a couple of times and he comes around to the front door and barks to come it. If it's raised right it won't leave. I was more amused about the mean part, could you be a little more specific, mean to who? Did you have papers on the dog that showed it was a APBT or was it a Staff?

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 11:42 AM
It wasn't meant to be amusing, it really hurt her when the dog disappeared, and I hated to have to let it go, we all cared about her, even to this day and that was 4 years ago, if she talks about "Sandy" she will cry.

your missing the point of his post.

go bowe
04-14-2005, 11:45 AM
PBJ You are the best......now post some pictures of your dogs...:thumb:lost all my photos of the show dogs when there was a fire that burned up all my stuff in the mid-70's...

never seemed to take many photos of the dogs since then, and my scanner is broke so i can't scan any snapshots in either...

my lab-chow mix is a little sweetheart, though he does like to bark and scare people coming into our house the first time...

we just tell the person to tell him to shut up and sit down, and he sits right down and starts wagging his big bushy tail...

basically a big chicken, with a loud scary bark, that's all...

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 11:47 AM
What really amazes me about this article is that they didn't find a way to blame the pits.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 11:47 AM
You can say that about every breed of dog. Pit Bulls are no more aggressive then any other dog, but they are much more susceptible to being adopted by "questionable" owners that take advantage of their loyalty and willingness to please.
to some extent thats correct.
where you really run into trouble is when you get people who havent a clue of what the apbt is about other than what TV has told them and there friends,who breed man-biter 2 man-biter.

dog fighters spent thousands of generations breeding that(human aggresion) out of the gamedogs because unlike society(whos knows everthing:rolleyes:they understood what the potential of having a human aggresive dog bred for canin2canine combat.

Might as well load a handgun and toss it in the yard.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 11:50 AM
PB's raised outside will often times take off. Mine would never take off. I have left the gate open a couple of times and he comes around to the front door and barks to come it. If it's raised right it won't leave. I was more amused about the mean part, could you be a little more specific, mean to who? Did you have papers on the dog that showed it was a APBT or was it a Staff?
no papers, but the reason I but "runoff" in parenthises, is cause thats what we told her, we took the dog to the pound and told them how it had been acting, I didn't want her to know it, but if no one took the dog in 30 days, they would put it to sleep, I told them she had became aggressive so I don't know if they even tried to adopt it out.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 11:55 AM
no papers, but the reason I but "runoff" in parenthises, is cause thats what we told her, we took the dog to the pound and told them how it had been acting, I didn't want her to know it, but if no one took the dog in 30 days, they would put it to sleep, I told them she had became aggressive so I don't know if they even tried to adopt it out.

Please define aggressive, aggressive to who? Not people.

eazyb81
04-14-2005, 11:57 AM
to some extent thats correct.
where you really run into trouble is when you get people who havent a clue of what the apbt is about other than what TV has told them and there friends,who breed man-biter 2 man-biter.

dog fighters spent thousands of generations breeding that(human aggresion) out of the gamedogs because unlike society(whos knows everthing:rolleyes:) they understood what the potential of having a human aggresive dog bred for canin2canine combat.

Might as well load a handgun and toss it in the yard.

yep, back in the dogfighting days aggressiveness towards humans was considered a fatal flaw and the ones who displayed were put down. But try explaining that to people who have seen nothing but stories of pit bulls attacking little kids for "no reason".

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 11:57 AM
yea I know....go bake a pie....ROFL

Close. ;)

badgirl
04-14-2005, 11:57 AM
Please define aggressive, aggressive to who? Not people.
to me, my daughter, friends who had always come over, she bit another dogs ear off, if my daughter was playing with her with a toy, she got to where she would actually become mean and at time the kids were a little scared of her, but they would have never agreed to get rid of her because they loved her so much.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 11:58 AM
dog fighters spent thousands of generations breeding that(human aggresion) out of the gamedogs because unlike society(whos knows everthing:rolleyes:they understood what the potential of having a human aggresive dog bred for canin2canine combat.

Might as well load a handgun and toss it in the yard.

Exactly, that's why I keep asking badgirl who her dog was aggressive to. If it was aggressive to people it wasn't an APBT or it was raised really shitty. As I recall badgirl hates dogs. Can't hate dogs and raise a good one.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 12:00 PM
Exactly, that's why I keep asking badgirl who her dog was aggressive to. If it was aggressive to people it wasn't an APBT or it was raised really shitty. As I recall badgirl hates dogs. Can't hate dogs and raise a good one.
I don't like having dogs in the house, not in general, and I have never ever been mean to an animal.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 12:03 PM
to me, my daughter, friends who had always come over, she bit another dogs ear off, if my daughter was playing with her with a toy, she got to where she would actually become mean and at time the kids were a little scared of her, but they would have never agreed to get rid of her because they loved her so much.


Did the dog ever bite a human?
Are you 100% sure it was in fact an APBT? did the dog have papers from the AKC/UKC/ADBA?

side story i have a 4-5 month old yardbred apbt(no papers) that when my buddy walked in unannounced she went apeshit and went after him.
she also chased a lady down who was walking outfront and gave her the wiggle but "please pet me" hand lick.

shes a goodone.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 12:04 PM
to me, my daughter, friends who had always come over, she bit another dogs ear off, if my daughter was playing with her with a toy, she got to where she would actually become mean and at time the kids were a little scared of her, but they would have never agreed to get rid of her because they loved her so much.

I think my last post applies then. That is the type of misinformation that hurts the breed. I can get some of the gamest dogs in the world and none of them, not one is aggressive to people. My buddy walked his 4 year old daughter through a huge yard of them that fight all the time and they did nothing but lick her to death. Either you do a terrible job of raising dogs or the dog wasn't a real APBT, my guess is both probably apply.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 12:07 PM
Close. ;)




ROFL

badgirl
04-14-2005, 12:08 PM
Did the dog ever bite a human?
Are you 100% sure it was in fact an APBT? did the dog have papers from the AKC/UKC/ADBA?

side story i have a 4-5 month old yardbred apbt(no papers) that when my buddy walked in unannounced she went apeshit and went after him.
she also chased a lady down who was walking outfront and gave her the wiggle but "please pet me" hand lick.

shes a goodone.
actually my daughters boyfriend worked in construction and was working in a bad mexican neighborhood and saw the puppies outside and asked the woman if she was getting rid of them, she gave him one she called the runt, he said the mother dog looked almost starved, the pup was 2 mos old when he got her, no papers or anything just some grungy ole people who evidentally didn't give a crap about their dogs.

Mark M
04-14-2005, 12:10 PM
I don't like having dogs in the house, not in general, and I have never ever been mean to an animal.

I'm no doggie psychoanalyst or anything, but having been around them my entire life (except for the one year I spent in D.C.), I can tell you that, as pack animals, they do much better when they're treated as part of the pack.

Keeping them in a cage or a tether outside creates a disconnect with the dog. Sure, you may feed it and play with it, but it doesn't consider itself part of the pack. If it does, it may have issues on exactly where it fits.

They don't always need to be top dog or anything -- they just need to know their position within the pack structure.

From my experience, most people who have problems with their animals do so because they have not properly trained the dog to accept its place, so the dog becomes aggressive trying to move up to the top.

Just my $.02 ...

MM
~~:shrug:

go bowe
04-14-2005, 12:10 PM
I don't like having dogs in the house, not in general, and I have never ever been mean to an animal.hold on, now what about the time you hit me with that big stick? :shrug:

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 12:10 PM
I don't like having dogs in the house, not in general, and I have never ever been mean to an animal.

How much time did you spend training it? How much time did you spend giving it lots of love and attention? How many times a week did you run it's ass off? APBT need to be run and hard. Just because you don't kick the crap out of your dog doesn't make you a good owner. The breed is an awesome breed. I am looking into having a custom made treadmill made for mine right now.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 12:12 PM
I think my last post applies then. That is the type of misinformation that hurts the breed. I can get some of the gamest dogs in the world and none of them, not one is aggressive to people. My buddy walked his 4 year old daughter through a huge yard of them that fight all the time and they did nothing but lick her to death. Either you do a terrible job of raising dogs or the dog wasn't a real APBT, my guess is both probably apply.
no we loved her very much I got attached to her also, it was my kids first dog, they had never up until that time been allowed to have one.
This dog was spoiled to death, we even bought her sweaters, toys, bed, the best of things you can give a dog, she was never hit, there were no reason for her to become mean to us. I don't exactly know what APBT papers are, but she had absolutely no papers.

We got a boston terrier a couple of years ago, she had papers.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 12:13 PM
hold on, now what about the time you hit me with that big stick? :shrug:
I was training you :p
Getting you prepared for the whip :p

badgirl
04-14-2005, 12:14 PM
How much time did you spend training it? How much time did you spend giving it lots of love and attention? How many times a week did you run it's ass off? APBT need to be run and hard. Just because you don't kick the crap out of your dog doesn't make you a good owner. The breed is an awesome breed. I am looking into having a custom made treadmill made for mine right now.
well as I said this was my kids very first dog, it got plenty of attention, my kids were 16, 15 and 11 at the time.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 12:15 PM
actually my daughters boyfriend worked in construction and was working in a bad mexican neighborhood and saw the puppies outside and asked the woman if she was getting rid of them, she gave him one she called the runt, he said the mother dog looked almost starved, the pup was 2 mos old when he got her, no papers or anything just some grungy ole people who evidentally didn't give a crap about their dogs.

Do us all a favor and don't refer to that dog as am APBT. I got a friend a pup off of Damian who is a son of Mayday some of the most sought after blood out there and the dog is great around kids and sleeps with his 5 year old girl. This is Damian

KC Kings
04-14-2005, 12:18 PM
What really amazes me about this article is that they didn't find a way to blame the pits.

That's the entire point of the article. What amazes me with any dog story, is the inability to use common sense when forming oppinions about a breed. You have one side saying all rott's/pit's are mean by nature, and the other said saying it is all the owner, and tells stories about letting thier 200 pound rot sleep in their babies crib.

I could tell the same stories about the rot next door with 4 children never showed a mean streak, until the day my 4 year old son was in our tree house next door teasing the dog, and the rot started growling, drooling, and going ape shit. My son deserved and received a whipping for doing such a stupid thing, but I no longer trusted that dog no matter what the reason he got that mad. On the same token the house behind us has a miniature collie that growls and snaps at the kids along the fence no matter how many times I hit him with a shovel. All the neighbors worry about the rot because he is mean looking and is as large as a grown man, but don't worry about the cute fluffy collie that is a repeat biter.

All dogs can be mean, and human nature is going to make a person more defensive against a mean dog that could kill a man, and ignore a mean dog that could only injure your ankle.

go bowe
04-14-2005, 12:18 PM
I was training you :p
Getting you prepared for the whip :pooooooh...

whips...

now you're talking!! :D :D :D

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 12:18 PM
well as I said this was my kids very first dog, it got plenty of attention, my kids were 16, 15 and 11 at the time.

It just wasn't a real pit, nuff said. That's part of the problem, people see a dog bite someone and it's automatically a pit, that isn't fair to the breed.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 12:23 PM
It just wasn't a real pit, nuff said. That's part of the problem, people see a dog bite someone and it's automatically a pit, that isn't fair to the breed.
I'm sure your correct, that not one APBT out of the hundreds of thousands them in the world have ever become aggressive, for no apparent reason. :rolleyes:

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 12:23 PM
That's the entire point of the article. What amazes me with any dog story, is the inability to use common sense when forming oppinions about a breed. You have one side saying all rott's/pit's are mean by nature, and the other said saying it is all the owner, and tells stories about letting thier 200 pound rot sleep in their babies crib.

I could tell the same stories about the rot next door with 4 children never showed a mean streak, until the day my 4 year old son was in our tree house next door teasing the dog, and the rot started growling, drooling, and going ape shit. My son deserved and received a whipping for doing such a stupid thing, but I no longer trusted that dog no matter what the reason he got that mad. On the same token the house behind us has a miniature collie that growls and snaps at the kids along the fence no matter how many times I hit him with a shovel. All the neighbors worry about the rot because he is mean looking and is as large as a grown man, but don't worry about the cute fluffy collie that is a repeat biter.

All dogs can be mean, and human nature is going to make a person more defensive against a mean dog that could kill a man, and ignore a mean dog that could only injure your ankle.

So your kid was teasing the dog and now you don't trust the dog. :hmmm: Good call ROFL My dog hates our Mexican neighbors because their kids have teased him too. Good way to turn your life into an afternoon snack. I am surprised you didn't teach him about a dog living next door to you like that to begin with.

Bob Dole
04-14-2005, 12:24 PM
On a similar note, Bob Dole thought this was funny (given that it had a happy ending).

Click here (http://www.texarkanarocks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8353)

go bowe
04-14-2005, 12:25 PM
It just wasn't a real pit, nuff said. That's part of the problem, people see a dog bite someone and it's automatically a pit, that isn't fair to the breed.you mean that big ol st. benard dog that bit my ass in college wasn't really a pit bull? :shrug:



(st. benard's are supposed to be all big and cuddly, so having one be aggressive and biting my ass was quite a surprise to say the least...)

and, fwiw, i had friends in the dog show business that bred pit bulls and he sold as many to families with small children as i did with chows...

never heard of one of those dogs ever being a problem...

in fact, i have had absolutely zero bad experiences with a pit bull...

(and that goes for everybody i've ever known in the dog world)

i think they're great dogs... :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 12:26 PM
I'm sure your correct, that not one APBT out of the hundreds of thousands them in the world have ever become aggressive, for no apparent reason. :rolleyes:

Once again you have missed the entire point. APBT's are raised for their gameness and are aggressive twords other animals. If you take that blood and mix it with a dog that has people biting potential you get what you get. That's why it's important to always get the best game raised pit you can get your hands on if your going to own the breed.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 12:32 PM
Once again you have missed the entire point. APBT's are raised for their gameness and are aggressive twords other animals. If you take that blood and mix it with a dog that has people biting potential you get what you get. That's why it's important to always get the best game raised pit you can get your hands on if your going to own the breed.
Evidentally this argument is going in circles so there is no use in carrying on with it, I don't like any dog that is aggressive no matter what kind it is, if she had a lab, or german sheppard I would be telling you the same story, it just happened to be a pit she had, it may have had some other dog in its genes, like I said it didn't have papers, any dog that will bite a human being for no reason at all, should be put to sleep, no matter how it got that way, if it is an aggressive, mean dog it will not change. IMHO

Radar Chief
04-14-2005, 12:39 PM
I'm no doggie psychoanalyst or anything, but having been around them my entire life (except for the one year I spent in D.C.), I can tell you that, as pack animals, they do much better when they're treated as part of the pack.

Keeping them in a cage or a tether outside creates a disconnect with the dog. Sure, you may feed it and play with it, but it doesn't consider itself part of the pack. If it does, it may have issues on exactly where it fits.

They don't always need to be top dog or anything -- they just need to know their position within the pack structure.

From my experience, most people who have problems with their animals do so because they have not properly trained the dog to accept its place, so the dog becomes aggressive trying to move up to the top.

Just my $.02 ...

MM
~~:shrug:

That’s a good way to put it.
We had problems a couple of years ago with the lab and brat terrier fighting. When we asked the veterinarian ‘bout it, she said basically the same thing you did. They’re pack animals and as such will seek to establish a “pecking order”. Since they see Mrs. Radar and I as the alpha male and female, it was up to us to establish this “pecking order” or they’d try to work it out themselves.
So when I give them treats, I give them to the lab first then the brat. Same with affection, when I come home from work I pet the lab first then the brat, and haven’t had a single problem with fighting since.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 12:39 PM
Once again you have missed the entire point. APBT's are raised for their gameness and are aggressive twords other animals. If you take that blood and mix it with a dog that has people biting potential you get what you get. That's why it's important to always get the best game raised pit you can get your hands on if your going to own the breed.
"theget what you get" is called hybrid vigor.you get it by crossing two tight strains of the same family or two families .
bestgame raised pit =gamegred

though IMO a good country momma and daddy is just as good for a pet.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 12:40 PM
Evidentally this argument is going in circles so there is no use in carrying on with it, I don't like any dog that is aggressive no matter what kind it is, if she had a lab, or german sheppard I would be telling you the same story, it just happened to be a pit she had, it may have had some other dog in its genes, like I said it didn't have papers, any dog that will bite a human being for no reason at all, should be put to sleep, no matter how it got that way, if it is an aggressive, mean dog it will not change. IMHO

so you got scared when you felt like you couldnt control the animal anymore and you had it put down.
happens all the time----the dogpound is full of em.

im out.....

vailpass
04-14-2005, 12:44 PM
Hey Big Daddy & MoHillbilly,
Have either of you guys ever read the book " A Feast of Snakes" by Harry Crews?
If so I'm curious to hear your evaluation of the role pit bulls play and how they are raised/trained.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 12:48 PM
i cant read.

Mark M
04-14-2005, 12:52 PM
That’s a good way to put it.
We had problems a couple of years ago with the lab and brat terrier fighting. When we asked the veterinarian ‘bout it, she said basically the same thing you did. They’re pack animals and as such will seek to establish a “pecking order”. Since they see Mrs. Radar and I as the alpha male and female, it was up to us to establish this “pecking order” or they’d try to work it out themselves.
So when I give them treats, I give them to the lab first then the brat. Same with affection, when I come home from work I pet the lab first then the brat, and haven’t had a single problem with fighting since.

While sometimes it's good to let the dogs figure out the order below their humans, we had to do the same thing with Otis, our big shaggy mutt.

He had been severely abused, and while incredibly timid around people, he was agressive with Shadow, the dog we've had for years. He was alright with Karma, but we had to pull out the bud nippers and nip some buds when he went after the old fart.

We now have perhaps the 3 happiest dogs ever. And because they knew their place, they've been OUTSTANDING with our son, especially Otis -- he loves that kid.

MM
~~:thumb:

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 12:54 PM
that second pic made me grin.

rock on puppies.

Mark M
04-14-2005, 12:58 PM
that second pic made me grin.

rock on puppies.

She sits up like a meerkat (or whatever the hell they're called) and gives high 5's so you'll rub her tum tum.

Yes ... I'm one of those people who talks like a jackass to their dogs. At least we don't dress them up in clothes or anything.

Well, I don't.

MM
~~:banghead:

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 12:59 PM
i sound like a complete sissymary when i talk to puppies.

ENDelt260
04-14-2005, 01:04 PM
i sound like a complete sissymary when i talk to puppies.
Didn't we determine the other day that you ARE a complete sissymary?

badgirl
04-14-2005, 01:05 PM
so you got scared when you felt like you couldnt control the animal anymore and you had it put down.
happens all the time----the dogpound is full of em.

im out.....
I think if your good to your animal and show it affection and love it should never become out of control to begin with.
What I suppose to do the first time she snapped at my daughter, knock the hell out of her? What good would that do, how do you think your gonna change a dog when it gets mean for no reason?

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 01:31 PM
Evidentally this argument is going in circles so there is no use in carrying on with it, I don't like any dog that is aggressive no matter what kind it is, if she had a lab, or german sheppard I would be telling you the same story, it just happened to be a pit she had, it may have had some other dog in its genes, like I said it didn't have papers, any dog that will bite a human being for no reason at all, should be put to sleep, no matter how it got that way, if it is an aggressive, mean dog it will not change. IMHO

Actually we are not going around in circles at all, you finally got my point other than the fact that you keep calling it a pit. BTW, You don't sound like a dog person at all.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 01:33 PM
Hey Big Daddy & MoHillbilly,
Have either of you guys ever read the book " A Feast of Snakes" by Harry Crews?
If so I'm curious to hear your evaluation of the role pit bulls play and how they are raised/trained.

Never read it.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 01:34 PM
Didn't we determine the other day that you ARE a complete sissymary?

Me too, I always use baby talk.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 01:39 PM
I think if your good to your animal and show it affection and love it should never become out of control to begin with.
What I suppose to do the first time she snapped at my daughter, knock the hell out of her? What good would that do, how do you think your gonna change a dog when it gets mean for no reason?

canines look to the ALPHA for direction. So you would have been right to correct the dog.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 01:42 PM
Actually we are not going around in circles at all, you finally got my point other than the fact that you keep calling it a pit. BTW, You don't sound like a dog person at all.
I was never allowed to have a dog growing up and never had one till the one I'm talking about, so I don't know a lot about dogs, the dogs that live here with us really love me especially max, the hound, I don't like animals in the house, I am not that much of a animal lover , I can take them or leave them.

I still have this little book my daughter made in second grade she wrote in big letters, I love kittens, I would like to have a kitten but my mom said its to much hair and it might get in our food,

I did have the boston terrier, and I really really loved her, she slept with me and was the only company I had when the kids weren't around, I can see how people could get attached to animals, but I really wouldn't want to cause they just die and then ya got to go through that pain of loosing something close to you and i can do without unnecessary pain because I let myself get close to something.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 01:48 PM
I was never allowed to have a dog growing up and never had one till the one I'm talking about, so I don't know a lot about dogs, the dogs that live here with us really love me especially max, the hound, I don't like animals in the house, I am not that much of a animal lover , I can take them or leave them.



this is exactly the reason i say there should be a required course and fee to own a pet.
Something akin to the Hunters EDU. here in MO.

ENDelt260
04-14-2005, 01:49 PM
I would like to have a kitten but my mom said its to much hair and it might get in our food,

And if that happened, you might grow whiskers or meowers.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 01:50 PM
And if that happened, you might grow whiskers or meowers.
ROFL ROFL that is pretty damn funny, think I'll rep you, although the jokes on me.

well I tried to rep you but it won't put up the page for me, it isn't working.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 01:50 PM
I was never allowed to have a dog growing up and never had one till the one I'm talking about, so I don't know a lot about dogs, the dogs that live here with us really love me especially max, the hound, I don't like animals in the house, I am not that much of a animal lover , I can take them or leave them.

I still have this little book my daughter made in second grade she wrote in big letters, I love kittens, I would like to have a kitten but my mom said its to much hair and it might get in our food,

I did have the boston terrier, and I really really loved her, she slept with me and was the only company I had when the kids weren't around, I can see how people could get attached to animals, but I really wouldn't want to cause they just die and then ya got to go through that pain of loosing something close to you and i can do without unnecessary pain because I let myself get close to something.

Better to love and have lost than to never have loved at all. We lost the bully in my avatar this last year, she was great. We are a little different on the house thing. Taz, my APBT is inside all the time, great guard dog too. As you can see he likes laying on the couch.

Mark M
04-14-2005, 01:51 PM
I was never allowed to have a dog growing up and never had one till the one I'm talking about, so I don't know a lot about dogs, the dogs that live here with us really love me especially max, the hound, I don't like animals in the house, I am not that much of a animal lover , I can take them or leave them.
Then you should never own more than a goldfish.

I don't say that to be mean or insulting. Seriously. It's just that if you don't have that drive to take care of them, then you have no business owning one.

I still have this little book my daughter made in second grade she wrote in big letters, I love kittens, I would like to have a kitten but my mom said its to much hair and it might get in our food,
We've got three dogs. Hair is both a fashion accessory and a condiment. You get used to it, and it's not like it kills you.

I did have the boston terrier, and I really really loved her, she slept with me and was the only company I had when the kids weren't around, I can see how people could get attached to animals, but I really wouldn't want to cause they just die and then ya got to go through that pain of loosing something close to you and i can do without unnecessary pain because I let myself get close to something.
So why love anything or anyone? Again, not trying to be insulting, but if that's your big fear, you're in for a lot of disapointment.

MM
~~:shrug:

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 01:51 PM
I've only got 1 pic of my wolf....and to me, this is what dogs are for...

badgirl
04-14-2005, 01:52 PM
Better to love and have lost than to never have loved at all. We lost the bully in my avatar this last year, she was great. We are a little different on the house thing. Taz, my APBT is inside all the time, great guard dog too. As you can see he likes laying on the couch.
Ha, thats a cute pic, Max lays like that sometimes and his lips are so big they just flop over, we got some pics of him doing that. :)

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 01:52 PM
this is exactly the reason i say there should be a required course and fee to own a pet.
Something akin to the Hunters EDU. here in MO.

You certainly have a point here but I have a hard time backing any legislation anymore. We have WAY too many laws in this country.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 01:56 PM
Then you should never own more than a goldfish.

I don't say that to be mean or insulting. Seriously. It's just that if you don't have that drive to take care of them, then you have no business owning one.


We've got three dogs. Hair is both a fashion accessory and a condiment. You get used to it, and it's not like it kills you.


So why love anything or anyone? Again, not trying to be insulting, but if that's your big fear, you're in for a lot of disapointment.

MM
~~:shrug:
well for part one, I do take care of the dog when I had one, and I do my share of taking care of the 2 that live here, as I said, I would rather not have a dog in the house, or anyother animal, but if they are I am good to them, I would never abuse or hurt an animal, I have a soft heart when it comes to them and I hate to see them abused.

Part two, the hair may not kill me but I would rather not to deal with it, I don't think a house feels clean when animals live in it no matter how clean it looks.

Part three, I do love people but to volunteerly get something and get close to it knowing you'll probably outlive it, is inviting in unecessary pain and I don't need it.

Bwana
04-14-2005, 01:57 PM
Here is a shot of my Mastiff Justice. He is now 9 months and 140 pounds. He should be around 250 when he's done. You talk about a dog that loves kids.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 02:00 PM
You certainly have a point here but I have a hard time backing any legislation anymore. We have WAY too many laws in this country.
force the HSUS to do it and if they dont revoke there tax status.
Drives my girl nuts when i explain to her that the hsus makes enough in revenue to fix and house every dog and cat in america

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 02:02 PM
Here is a shot of my Mastiff Justice. He is now 9 months and 140 pounds. He should be around 250 when he's done. You talk about a dog that loves to eat kids.

ROFL

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 02:11 PM
force the HSUS to do it and if they dont revoke there tax status.
Drives my girl nuts when i explain to her that the hsus makes enough in revenue to fix and house every dog and cat in america

I just don't like more laws. You could throw out the huge majority of our laws in this country and we would be WAY better off. How do you justify making people learn how to raise a dog when we don't do that for their own kids? There are a lot of really crappy parents out there. I want to knock out some parent almost daily out here.

Bwana
04-14-2005, 02:12 PM
ROFL

Mo :shake: ROFL

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 02:15 PM
If DP4ME had a mastiff like bwana, I'll bet she'd have to buy Peanut butter by the Drum.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 02:15 PM
Here is a shot of my Mastiff Justice. He is now 9 months and 140 pounds. He should be around 250 when he's done. You talk about a dog that loves to eat kids.

How do you think Greg affords to feed an animal like that? Throws some sauce on those little bastards heads when they walk by his house and throws them in the back yard.

badgirl
04-14-2005, 02:21 PM
How do you think Greg affords to feed an animal like that? Throws some sauce on those little bastards heads when they walk by his house and throws them in the back yard.
Stumppys namesake dog, that he had to put down last year was as big or bigger than that one.

Freekofnature
04-14-2005, 02:22 PM
Chows are extremely overprotective.

They are actually kinda laidback and lazy.

But with a stranger, not good.

Bwana
04-14-2005, 02:28 PM
How do you think Greg affords to feed an animal like that? Throws some sauce on those little bastards heads when they walk by his house and throws them in the back yard.

You would think so and I admit, that would be a viable solution if he ate more. He really doesn't eat anymore than my lab, but goes through water like it's going out of style.

Bowser
04-14-2005, 02:36 PM
Here is a shot of my Mastiff Justice. He is now 9 months and 140 pounds. He should be around 250 when he's done. You talk about a dog that loves kids.

Jesus, 250 pounds? Did you name him "Sir"?

Bwana
04-14-2005, 02:45 PM
Jesus, 250 pounds? Did you name him "Sir"?
No, he's mellow, it's the lab you have to watch out for. :) Like most Mastiffs, if someone is standing by anyone in the family that he doesn't know, he will walk in between that person and the family member. I always start working with dogs the day I get them. I can walk right up to him and take away his steak bone, stick my head in his dish and act like I'm eating his food while pushing his head out of the way with my head with no problem. I start this from day one because I don't want some little kid reaching out to pet him while he's eating and becoming the main course. Like I said in an earlier post, Most of how a dog turns out, providing there is a decent gene pool, is what you put into them and taking the time with them that they need.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 02:47 PM
more cool stuff http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRCHeros.pdf

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 02:49 PM
I just don't like more laws. You could throw out the huge majority of our laws in this country and we would be WAY better off. How do you justify making people learn how to raise a dog when we don't do that for their own kids? There are a lot of really crappy parents out there. I want to knock out some parent almost daily out here.

two things if they dont take a real look at the problem they will just enact more dumb laws w/out taking a knife to the cancer.
and it all starts at the bottom.how do we expect parents to take care of children when they cant take care of an animal properly.

thank god im a country boy.

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 02:51 PM
If DP4ME had a mastiff like bwana, I'll bet she'd have to buy Peanut butter by the Drum.


ROFL:clap: i laughed and laughed....ROFL

Iowanian
04-14-2005, 02:54 PM
...just when I thought that one hit the windshield with a dull thud of a gnat.

Dartgod
04-14-2005, 02:54 PM
If DP4ME had a mastiff like bwana, I'll bet she'd have to buy Peanut butter by the Drum.
ROFL:clap: i laughed and laughed....ROFL
Yeah, me too. Good one Iowanian. My guess is, she's still trying to figure it out.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 02:59 PM
two things if they dont take a real look at the problem they will just enact more dumb laws w/out taking a knife to the cancer.
and it all starts at the bottom.how do we expect parents to take care of children when they cant take care of an animal properly.

thank god im a country boy.

Tell me about it. It's common sence, for the life of me I have no idea why people try to turn it into rocket science. I watched the show The Nanny on TV the other day. Parents like those blow me away. How a little kid ends up running a parent is beyond me.

jspchief
04-14-2005, 03:08 PM
What really amazes me about this article is that they didn't find a way to blame the pits.

And yet you still managed to find a way to drag out the Pit victim card...

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:11 PM
And yet you still managed to find a way to drag out the Pit victim card...
ROFL

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 03:19 PM
And yet you still managed to find a way to drag out the Pit victim card...

I see you still have your mouth wrapped around Zachs cock. Your jaws ever get sore?

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:20 PM
I see your sucking Zachs cock. Your jaws ever get sore?
Bah I thought it was funny, lighten up francis.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 03:24 PM
ROFL

Oh and look who instantly pops up every time jsp is around. Coincidence, I think not.

jspchief
04-14-2005, 03:25 PM
I see you still have your mouth wrapped around Zachs cock. Your jaws ever get sore?Heh. Thought that might hit a nerve.:p

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:25 PM
Oh and look who instantly pops up every time jsp is around. Coincidence, I think not.
Are you kidding? Jsp and I have gotten into it many times. Of all the posters you choose this one... ROFL

jspchief
04-14-2005, 03:26 PM
Oh and look who instantly pops up every time jsp is around. Coincidence, I think not.I think you're confusing me with someone else. I don't think zach and I have any sort of allegiance, I can barely stand him most of the time.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 03:26 PM
Bah I thought it was funny, lighten up francis.

With the way you went on and on in that avatar thread it occured to me more than once you might play for the other team. Now that I see you got your little butt buddy posting for you I am more convinced than ever.

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:27 PM
Heh. Thought that might hit a nerve.:p
I didn't think he was taking himself this serously today.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 03:27 PM
I think you're confusing me with someone else. I don't think zach and I have any sort of allegiance, I can barely stand him most of the time.

Just be sure and wipe your chin when your finished OK?

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:28 PM
With the way you went on and on in that avatar thread it occured to me more than once you might play for the other team. Now that I see you got your little butt buddy posting for you I am more convinced than ever.
Excuse me while I dedend my online heterosexuality.

ROFL ROFL

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 03:29 PM
Excuse me while I dedend my online homosexuality.

ROFL ROFL

dedend away

jspchief
04-14-2005, 03:31 PM
I didn't think he was taking himself this serously today.Are you kidding? When it comes to dragging the name of the soft and cuddly misunderstood American Pitbull Terrier through the mud, he's dead serious.

Seriously BD, lighten up. It's common knowledge that you beat that drum rather loudly. I was just flipping you some sh*t. I'm sorry if you're in a bad mood because your court date defending those baby-killers you call dogs didn't go well today. :)

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:31 PM
dedend away
Sorry to dissapoint you but I feel no need. So I guess the jury is out for you. ROFL

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:32 PM
Seriously BD, lighten up. It's common knowledge that you beat that drum rather loudly. I was just flipping you some sh*t. I'm sorry if you're in a bad mood because your court date defending those baby-killers you call dogs didn't go well today. :)
I wasn't being sarcastic...I can't believe he took it seriously. His bitterness and hatred carries over into other threads quite well.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 03:36 PM
I wasn't being sarcastic...I can't believe he took it seriously. His bitterness and hatred carries over into other threads quite well.

Not at all, just got the chance to expose your relationship for what it was. One thing hasn't changed for sure though, your inability to bring anything of value to a thread.

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:37 PM
Not at all, just got the chance to expose your relationship for what it was. One thing hasn't changed for sure though, your inability to bring anything of value to a thread.
You are my favorite poster, please do not ever change.

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//2004/SG_2.18.jpg

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 03:43 PM
You are my favorite poster, please do not ever change.

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//2004/SG_2.18.jpg


Still dancing I see, nice!!!

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:44 PM
Still dancing I see, nice!!!
Dancing? You think I am going to sit here and convince you I am straight?

You give yourself waaayyy to much credit man. As if I care enough about what you think to carry on with an idiotic exercise of that nature.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 03:48 PM
Dancing? You think I am going to sit here and convince you I am straight?

Wow is that what you think I meant by that. ROFL


You give yourself waaayyy to much credit man.

Pot meat kettle. ROFL You took the words right off my keyboard.

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 03:50 PM
I am not sure how much credit I give myself...but I do know it is pretty easy to get you to start whining and complaining like a little girl on any thread. So take that for what its worth.

Like I said, please do not ever change your style on this board.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 03:55 PM
I am not sure how much credit I give myself...but I do know it is pretty easy to get you to start whining and complaining like a little girl on any thread. So take that for what its worth.

Like I said, please do not ever change your style on this board.

Anyone who says anything directed at you is whining and crying according to you. This was a great thread till you and your little butt buddy showed up. I don't suppose you would just leave and let it go back the main subject instead of continuing to take it down the mindless road you take all threads down?

MOhillbilly
04-14-2005, 04:00 PM
so when did you get your pup bd?
male or female?
that ped i sent you is bred half like BBB GR CH Spikey(i think) if you got a bitch id look into it. If you want some shirts and some other shit hit me up i know a girl in LA that does custom Ts.

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 04:00 PM
Anyone who says anything directed at you is whining and crying according to you. This was a great thread till you and your little butt buddy showed up. I don't suppose you would just leave and let it go back the main subject instead of continuing to take it down the mindless road you take all threads down?
No, there are alot of people who direct posts at me that I don't accuse of whining. I generally hold on to that label to people who whine, like yourself.

So it was me and JSP who took this thread down the road.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2404414&postcount=204

I am sure that had nothing to do with it.

ROFL

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 04:03 PM
so when did you get your pup bd?
male or female?
that ped i sent you is bred half like BBB GR CH Spikey(i think) if you got a bitch id look into it. If you want some shirts and some other shit hit me up i know a girl in LA that does custom Ts.

The pup off Damian I got my friend just went into heat for the first time a month ago. He is out of town till next week, I was going to show him that.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 04:15 PM
No, there are alot of people who direct posts at me that I don't accuse of whining. I generally hold on to that label to people who whine, like yourself.

So it was me and JSP who took this thread down the road.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2404414&postcount=204

I am sure that had nothing to do with it.

ROFL

You are such a little faggot. Just because I exposed your little butt buddy for what he is I'm whining and took it down this road. Whatever dude, I am never going to ejeculate in your ass so why don't you and your little friend go fishing somewhere else.

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 04:16 PM
You are such a little pillowbiter. Just because I exposed your little butt buddy for what he is I'm whining and took it down this road. Whatever dude, I am never going to ejeculate in your ass so why don't you and your little friend go fishing somewhere else.
ROFL ROFL

Cochise
04-14-2005, 04:17 PM
So to summarize the thread, chows are evil, pits are not, lock up your dog, and zack is a batsander? ;)

ROFL

|Zach|
04-14-2005, 04:22 PM
So to summarize the thread, chows are evil, pits are not, lock up your dog, and zack is a batsander? ;)

ROFL
ROFL

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 04:50 PM
If DP4ME had a mastiff like bwana, I'll bet she'd have to buy Peanut butter by the Drum.





:rolleyes:

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 04:52 PM
:rolleyes:

You gotta admit, it was pretty funny. ROFL

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 04:53 PM
Couple more good pics. This is one of my favorites of Taz at 6 months, what a menace.

ENDelt260
04-14-2005, 04:54 PM
You gotta take some new doggie pics, BD. You always post the same ones.

Course, the dog park one is cool.

BIG_DADDY
04-14-2005, 04:56 PM
You gotta take some new doggie pics, BD. You always post the same ones.

Course, the dog park one is cool.

I will take some pictures of him pretty soon and post them. Summer is almost here, he is going to look great when I can get him out a little more.

chiefs4me
04-14-2005, 05:01 PM
Couple more good pics. This is one of my favorites of Taz at 6 months, what a menace.



I will take the yellow lab in that picture...1 please :thumb:


oh.....we aren't shopping......ROFL

Bwana
04-14-2005, 07:32 PM
Couple more good pics. This is one of my favorites of Taz at 6 months, what a menace.

Good looking beast BD.

Saulbadguy
04-14-2005, 08:08 PM
Pitt bulls should be banned. They are faggot dogs anyways. Only Lakers fans would like them. :p

Bwana
04-14-2005, 08:49 PM
Pitt bulls should be banned. They are pillowbiter dogs anyways. Only Lakers fans would like them. :p

Uh-Oh, now you have gone and done it rep master. :eek:

DanT
04-14-2005, 08:55 PM
Couple more good pics. This is one of my favorites of Taz at 6 months, what a menace.

Great picture!

Jenson71
04-14-2005, 08:58 PM
I've got the coolest dog names of all time.

Somme
Ieper
and
Utah

elvomito
04-14-2005, 09:29 PM
Couple more good pics. This is one of my favorites of Taz at 6 months, what a menace.
is it just me or do poodles look demonic?

bringbackmarty
04-15-2005, 01:21 AM
Dachsunds are one of the most LOYAL one owner dogs you can find. So I disagree with that assumption a little.

My weenie dog is the most loyal dog I have ever owned ... friend of mine has three of them and his are th same way.

BUT ... they are one owner dogs so that might be some of your point .. they are not really loyal to more than 1 person in my experience.



.
sorry, I guess I wasn't clear, I meant dachsunds are more loyal than chows, along with every other breed I listed.

any dog brave enough to chase a ****in' rat, or a snake, or whatever the **** down a dark hole has my respect!

Chows ****in suck big time when you have anything less than an expert owner. You have to give them lots of time people, you just cannot leave them, or pit bulls, rotweilers, german shepards and other large, highly intelligent and agressive dogs "chained up out back." There owbership should be restricted. Breeding left to those who know the breed. too many bad things are bound to happen. With the world population getting bigger and living space shrinking we are going to see more of these types of conflicts.

bringbackmarty
04-15-2005, 01:24 AM
bite me asshole...
grow up, and learn to listen to someone else's poit of view without calling them names, and the world will eventually treat you better.

Saggysack
04-15-2005, 02:46 AM
Pit Bulls are here for one thing and one thing only. The main ingredient in Sweet & Sour Pork.

MOhillbilly
04-15-2005, 07:02 AM
I've got the coolest dog names of all time.

Somme
Ieper
and
Utah

mines Moxie......

yunghungwell
04-15-2005, 09:37 AM
Better to love and have lost than to never have loved at all. We lost the bully in my avatar this last year, she was great. We are a little different on the house thing. Taz, my APBT is inside all the time, great guard dog too. As you can see he likes laying on the couch.

Ike likes laying on the couch also.

Pennywise
04-15-2005, 09:45 AM
Couple more good pics. This is one of my favorites of Taz at 6 months, what a menace.

DAMN NIGGA!

chiefs4me
04-15-2005, 11:36 AM
grow up, and learn to listen to someone else's poit of view without calling them names, and the world will eventually treat you better.








**** you asshole...I will be damned before I let some man on the internet tell me what to do or what to say or how to act.....oh wait your username says it all.......ROFL


who says the world doesn't treat me fine....and I could give a shit how anybody on here treats me.....:harumph: