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Mr. Laz
04-14-2005, 12:29 PM
MOCK DRAFT 10.0: Adam Jones headlines CBs
Posted: 5 hours ago

* Asterisk denotes underclassmen.

Team Player Pos. School Prev-rising or falling- High/Low

1. 49ers Alex Smith* QB Utah 1st SAME 1st / 24th
Niners officials have arrived at two conclusions: 1) They won't be able to trade down and 2) The team cannot win in the short term. So, the team should take the QB with the most upside and develop him slowly. Smith could sit behind Tim Rattay in 2005, learn and avoid taking a beating behind a rebuilding offensive line. Smith has a strong arm, outstanding athleticism and winning intangibles.

2. Dolphins Ronnie Brown RB Auburn 2nd SAME 2nd / 25th
Nick Saban is a defensive-minded coach, but he has final say on all Dolphins personnel matters. He needs a workhorse back to make his conservative, ball-control offense work. Brown, with his great combination of power and speed, is tough to tackle and also excels as a receiver.

3. Browns Derrick Johnson OLB Texas 3rd SAME 3rd / 6th
Romeo Crennel wants to build the New England way — defense first. Johnson is the consensus best defensive prospect in this draft. Outside linebacker also is key to the success of Crennel's 3-4. Johnson, a great athlete, also shows terrific natural football instincts.

4. Bears Cedric Benson RB Texas 4th SAME 2nd / 8th
The Bears, in a stunner, may opt to go with a running back, and their preference is Benson. They believe they can get their wide receiver at the top of Round 2. Benson would be the prototypical Chicago back, especially in cold weather. He has nice bulk (222 pounds), runs hard between the tackles, and has both the vision and the speed to get outside.

5. Buccaneers Carnel Williams RB Auburn 5th SAME 4th / 25th
Coach Jon Gruden says he never can have enough offensive cogs. The public favorite is Tampa native Mike Williams, but the Bucs are in more need of a workhorse back. This Williams has the body to take the pounding and the speed to be a home-run threat.

6. Titans Aaron Rodgers* QB California 6th SAME 1st / 16th
Despite what Titans officials say, the team is rebuilding. Although Jeff Fisher is a defensive-minded coach, GM Floyd Reese will make this call. Rodgers would sit behind Steve McNair, learn without undue pressure and keep from taking a beating behind a shoddy offensive line.

7. Vikings (from Raiders) Braylon Edwards WR Michigan 7th SAME 1st / 7th
The Vikings rebuilt their defense through the free-agent market and trades and would look to replace some of Randy Moss' production here. Edwards, a playmaker with a solid frame and great hands, has All-Pro potential. He immediately would become Daunte Culpepper's go-to receiver.

8. Cardinals Adam Jones* CB West Virginia 8th SAME 8th / 32nd
The Cardinals might be reeling here as they plan to take one of the top three backs. Their next greatest need is cornerback. Jones lacks great size (5-9 5/8) but is a big-time playmaker with a confident, winning attitude. He tends to gamble, but his risky decisions usually pay off. Jones would need to show more discipline to function in the aggressive defense of Clancy Pendergast.

9. Redskins Antrel Rolle CB Miami (Fla.) 9th SAME 6th / 13th
After trading Champ Bailey last year and losing free agent Fred Smoot this year, the Redskins now have a glaring need at cornerback. Rolle (6-0 5/8, 197, 4.49) has good size and decent speed but his impressive intelligence and instincts would be a perfect fit as an assignment corner in Gregg Williams' disciplined defense.

10. Lions Erasmus James DE Wisconsin 15th (+5) 6th / 15th
While it appeared the Lions were set to use this spot to bulk up their offensive line, they may try to fill that need with a vet such as the 49ers' Scott Gragg after June 1 cap cuts. James is too talented a pass rusher to pass up. He is an every-down, two-way end who plays with great intensity and terrific leverage. He is the type of strong presence on the edge who will take double teams away from James Hall.

11. Cowboys Shawne Merriman* DE Maryland 11th SAME 11th / 23rd
Bill Parcells is a 3-4 defensive coach at heart and is looking to acquire the personnel to make the transition. His goal is to select two key defenders in the first round in order to commit to the 3-4. Merriman would be a great start. A terrific athlete, he played both end and 3-4 outside linebacker in college.

12. Chargers
(from Giants) Mike Williams* WR USC 12th SAME 5th / 21st
The Chargers need a young playmaking receiver to continue to balance their offense. Williams is big (6-4 5/8, 229), physical and fast enough to create mismatches all over the field. The team would be thrilled if Williams remains available here.

13. Texans Marcus Spears DE LSU 13th SAME 13th / 2nd round
The Texans must upgrade their aging, injury-prone defensive line that is key to their success in the 3-4. Spears, a run-stuffing wide body (6-4, 304), has the athleticism to play two-gap end. He also has enough upfield push to squeeze the pocket and provide pass-rush support for 2004 first-rounder Jason Babin.

14. Panthers Troy Williamson* WR South Carolina 14th SAME 7th / 2nd round
With the loss of Muhsin Muhammad, the Panthers need a playmaking receiver. Williamson has good size (6-1 3/8, 203) and blazing speed (4.32 40-yard dash at the Combine). Paired with Steve Smith, the Panthers will have two vertical threats to take pressure off their power rushing attack.

15. Chiefs Travis Johnson DT Florida State 17th (+2) 11th / 17th
The Chiefs' line is the weakest of several weak links on defense. The acquisition of former Titan Carlos Hall for a fifth-round pick adds a wave rusher for the nickel package but the addition of Johnson addresses their biggest need, upgrading run defense. Johnson, a big (6-3 7/8, 296), physical presence, is a strong run defender who also could get some upfield pass-rush push in their attacking one-gap scheme.

16. Saints Carlos Rogers CB Auburn 16th SAME 15th / 2nd round
Rogers, whose stock is rising, would give the Saints an immediate upgrade. In addition to his great speed (4.44) and quickness, he is physical and fearless and provides good run support. He needs to improve his ball skills, however.

17. Bengals Alex Barron OT Florida State 10th (-7) 5th / 17th
Traditionally the Bengals select the best player available, and Barron fits that bill. While coach Marvin Lewis hopes to improve his run defense here, Barron could be a franchise tackle who can replace aging vet Willie Anderson and line up opposite Levi Jones for a long time. Barron, huge (6-7˝, 320) with outstanding athleticism, excels in pass protection. He must adjust if called upon to play RT because he isn't a great run blocker.

18. Vikings David Pollack DE Georgia 18th SAME 6th / 21st
Ted Cottrell's defense already has enjoyed an infusion of talent, and it continues here. Cottrell prefers the 3-4 and Pollack could be the missing piece to make the conversion from a 4-3. Pollack (6-2 3/8, 270) is very athletic and versatile with great speed, quickness, instincts and hustle. Best suited as a pass rusher, he also can stuff the run and play the open field. Pollack can either line up as a pass-rushing end or a 3-4 OLB.

19. Rams Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma 19th SAME 18th / 28th
The Rams must do a better job of protecting Marc Bulger. Brown would be an immediate upgrade at right tackle with his long, strong arms, working best in pass protection. He has the tools for run blocking but must get stronger and bulkier to excel there.

20. Cowboys (from Bills) Darryl Blackstock* OLB Virginia 20th SAME 20th / 2nd round
The addition of Blackstock would secure Parcells' conversion to the 3-4. Blackstock has good size (6-2˝, 238) and is an outstanding athlete (4.60 40, 39-inch vertical jump). At Virginia, he played OLB in a 3-4 under Al Groh, a Parcells protégé — which only shortens the learning curve. While there are some character issues, Parcells would get Blackstock to toe the line.

21. Jaguars Justin Miller* CB Clemson 21st SAME 21st / 2nd round
The Jaguars have upgraded their defensive line with free agents and now must upgrade at cornerback to compete in the pass-happy AFC South. Miller possesses great change-of-direction and ball skills and is both tough and physical. He also is a productive kick returner.

22. Ravens Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma 22nd SAME 11th / 2nd round
The Ravens named Jim Fassel offensive coordinator and brought in Rick Neuheisel to mentor QB Kyle Boller with a commitment to opening up the passing game. The team would be thrilled if Clayton still were on the board here. Clayton, drawing comparisons to Marvin Harrison, is a playmaker who can score from anywhere on the field. He is a bit
undersized (5-10 3/8, 193) but shows elite speed, hands and agility.

23. Seahawks Fabian Washington* CB Nebraska 23rd SAME 23rd / N/A
Playing in the NFC West, with the Rams' passing attack and the Cardinals' talented young receiving corps, the Seahawks need to add more high-quality corners. Washington, who had an Olympian Combine workout (4.29 40, 3.91 short shuttle, 41˝-inch vertical), compensates for his undersized frame (5-10˝, 188) with athleticism and strong coverage skills. He'd contribute in the nickel package at first but should develop into a solid starter.

24. Packers Demarcus Ware OLB Troy State 24th SAME 24th / 2nd round
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila is the Packers' only viable pass rusher. Ware played outside linebacker in college but would move to end as a pro. He shows both the speed and burst to be a dynamic pass rusher and has both the athleticism and instincts to play the run.

25. Broncos Corey Webster CB LSU 29th (+4) 15th / 2nd round
With the free-agent loss of Kelly Herndon, the Broncos need to add a solid cornerback to either start opposite Champ Bailey or play in the nickel package if Lenny Walls returns to his pre-injury form. Webster, with good size (6-0 1/8, 199) and long arms, plays physical at the line and is willing in run support. He uses his frame and ball skills to his advantage downfield, making up for a slight speed deficiency.

26. Jets Heath Miller* TE Virginia 26th SAME 25th / 2nd round
Miller may be the biggest mystery. If healthy he may warrant a top-10 pick. A serious abdominal injury has kept him from working out for any teams and he may not be healthy by draft day. The Jets, who need a top TE, have a history with this type of pick. Last year's first-rounder, LB Jonathan Vilma, had failed most teams' physicals because of concern over a knee injury. The Jets' doctors cleared Vilma and he became an all-rookie performer.

27. Falcons Brodney Pool* S Oklahoma 25th (-2) 19th / 2nd round
Last year, Jim Mora and his coaching staff installed a good attacking defensive scheme, but what they discovered is that they didn't have the ideal personnel at safety. Pool, an outstanding athlete, is strong in run support and solid in coverage. He is the physical safety the Falcons' defensive coaches covet.

28. Chargers Shaun Cody DT USC 27th (-1) 19th / 29th
The Chargers need an infusion of depth and talent at defensive end. The line is the anchor of coordinator Wade Philips' 3-4 scheme. At 6-3 7/8, Cody has unusually short legs, which works to his advantage in gaining leverage on offensive linemen, a must as a two-gap defender. Cody plays with great intensity and would help the interior pass rush.

29. Colts Barrett Ruud ILB Nebraska 31st (+2) 18th / 2nd round
The Colts have many needs on defense. Bill Polian has long been a believer in selecting the best available player, who in this case also fills a big need. Ruud, a versatile defender, isn't the most gifted athlete, but he plays smart and has great character, both important traits to the Colts.

30. Steelers Matt Jones WR Arkansas 30th SAME 30th / 2nd round
The Steelers already have three former college QBs in their huddle. With the success of Hines Ward and Antwaan Randle El, however, they won't be afraid to select the former Arkansas QB and make him their next conversion project. Jones would step into the role vacated by Plaxico Burress, especially on red zone fade routes.

31. Eagles Matt Roth DE Iowa 28th (-3) 21st / 2nd round
The Eagles lost free-agent defensive end Derrick Burgess and are looking for a two-way replacement to play opposite Jevon Kearse, who will get pressure off the edge and play strong run defense. Roth plays with nonstop hustle and sometimes gets a little out of control. To adapt to Jim Johnson's upfield scheme, Roth would need to improve his pass-rush discipline to match his great potential.

32. Patriots Channing Crowder* OLB Florida 32nd SAME 18th / 2nd round
The Patriots' defense is driven by aging LBs, but Tedy Bruschi's health may cause him to miss the season, and Ted Johnson and Willie McGinest are 32 and 33, respectively. The Pats would need to accept some character concerns regarding Crowder, who without those issues, wouldn't stay on the board this long. Aggressive with nonstop hustle, he can play undisciplined, but he still is young, having played only two years at Florida.

Brock
04-14-2005, 12:31 PM
That's what, the 8th DT the Chiefs would select over the past 3 years? :shake:

jspchief
04-14-2005, 12:32 PM
It's official, Fox doesn't know sh*t about this team.

Frankie
04-14-2005, 12:35 PM
Now everyone and their sisters runs a mock! (That doesn't sound right, somehow.) This one makes no sense in so many levels.

beer bacon
04-14-2005, 12:35 PM
Foxsports has been saying for a while that defensive line is our weakest link on our defense for a while. As long as they keep saying that I will keep disregarding them.

Mark M
04-14-2005, 12:36 PM
Run defense is the biggest area of need?

:spock:

This mock makes me miss voyager ...

MM
~~:eek:

CosmicPal
04-14-2005, 12:41 PM
That's what, the 8th DT the Chiefs would select over the past 3 years? :shake:

Look on the bright side, because of us- Denver has to go out and get washed up free agents at DL.

ck_IN
04-14-2005, 12:58 PM
I don't see this happening but if it did it would be the official announcement that Sims is a bust. A fact that most of us already know.

Coogs
04-14-2005, 01:01 PM
Check out these pass defense stats for us from last season. You can sort each column by highlighting the column heading, and we are last on damn near every one of them...

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2004/regular


And...

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-RECEIVING/2004/regular

Bowser
04-14-2005, 01:21 PM
Who's running Fox's mock drafts? Jack Steadman?

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2005, 01:31 PM
Who's running Fox's mock drafts? Jack Steadman?

Bobby Betheard.

KCTitus
04-14-2005, 01:31 PM
That's what, the 8th DT the Chiefs would select over the past 3 years? :shake:

What a painful thought...Im reminded of the time when Marty was drafting LT's for 4 years.

Gravedigger
04-14-2005, 01:37 PM
15. Chiefs Travis Johnson DT Florida State 17th (+2) 11th / 17th
The Chiefs' line is the weakest of several weak links on defense. The acquisition of former Titan Carlos Hall for a fifth-round pick adds a wave rusher for the nickel package but the addition of Johnson addresses their biggest need, upgrading run defense. Johnson, a big (6-3 7/8, 296), physical presence, is a strong run defender who also could get some upfield pass-rush push in their attacking one-gap scheme.


OK our D line is definetly not the weakest of our defense it goes CB, LB, S, then Dline. I think this mock is one of the more rediculous ones I've seen. This is why fox covers the NFC cause both the division and the company that covers it are both boring and rediculous. I'm glad only two of our games are on FOX and the superbowl in detroit which we will be attending will be on CBS.

chiefz
04-14-2005, 01:37 PM
The line is the weakest part of our defense?

When did Foxsports hire Bozo the Clown?

CosmicPal
04-14-2005, 01:47 PM
Check out these pass defense stats for us from last season. You can sort each column by highlighting the column heading, and we are last on damn near every one of them...


No, we're not:

Passing D:

KC is 8th in the NFL in sacks. We are actually in the top ten in sacks, in the NFL.

We were obviously able to put pressure on the QB, however the biggest problem in the passing D was the fact that we gave up some mighty big plays for KC is LAST in yards per game, 26th in the NFL in INT's, and 30th in the NFL in passing TDs given up.

We obviously need major improvement in the defensive backfield.

Rushing D:

Again, our defensive line is doing mighty okay- they are 12th in the NFL in both rushing yards, and of course- rushing yards per game.

But, again, our defensive gave up the big plays: 27th in the NFL in rushing TDs, and 23rd in the NFL in giving up the big runs, 20 yards or greater.

Our defensive line isn't all that bad. Our linebackers and our defensive backfield is where we obviously need profound improvement- particularly if our offense is going to score 35 points a game. This draft should emphasize the LBs and the DBs, if we are ever going to improve this defense.

Coogs
04-14-2005, 01:51 PM
No, we're not:

Passing D:

KC is 8th in the NFL in sacks. We are actually in the top ten in sacks, in the NFL.

We were obviously able to put pressure on the QB, however the biggest problem in the passing D was the fact that we gave up some mighty big plays for KC is LAST in yards per game, 26th in the NFL in INT's, and 30th in the NFL in passing TDs given up.

We obviously need major improvement in the defensive backfield.

Rushing D:

Again, our defensive line is doing mighty okay- they are 12th in the NFL in both rushing yards, and of course- rushing yards per game.

But, again, our defensive gave up the big plays: 27th in the NFL in rushing TDs, and 23rd in the NFL in giving up the big runs, 20 yards or greater.

Our defensive line isn't all that bad. Our linebackers and our defensive backfield is where we obviously need profound improvement- particularly if our offense is going to score 35 points a game. This draft should emphasize the LBs and the DBs, if we are ever going to improve this defense.


Check out the 2nd set of stats I provided. Nearly last in every catagory.

Total Yards - Last
Yards per game - Last
Yards per play - Last
20+ plays - Last
40+ plays - Last
First Downs allowed - 25th
TD allowed - 31st

HemiEd
04-14-2005, 02:04 PM
Who's running Fox's mock drafts? Jack Steadman?


Jack Buck

Mr. Kotter
04-14-2005, 02:05 PM
These guys are clueless....

CosmicPal
04-14-2005, 02:14 PM
Check out the 2nd set of stats I provided. Nearly last in every catagory.

Total Yards - Last
Yards per game - Last
Yards per play - Last
20+ plays - Last
40+ plays - Last
First Downs allowed - 25th
TD allowed - 31st

Coogs, I am not sure what your point is here. I pointed out the same receiving stats in my earlier post. I also pointed out how it is plainly obvious we need help in the defensive backfield, but that we also need better play out of linebackers, and that our defensive line was fine.

Showing the fact that the KC defensive backfield is last/nearly last in all of these categories is irrelevant. They were not getting the job done, we all know that.

We've done two very important things to improve this defense- get a safety to be a proven leader and get a middle linebacker to improve the middle. Now, if we get Surtain and draft a couple of DB's and an attack LB or two- we will be a much more improved defense.

whoman69
04-14-2005, 02:17 PM
I need a link for this, because I just went to Fox Sports and they use the Sporting News service and their mock has us taking Erasmus James. It certainly makes no sense for this organization to go to the well again for a DT when we have drafted 6 in the 4 drafts that DV has run for us.

Coogs
04-14-2005, 02:49 PM
Coogs, I am not sure what your point is here. I pointed out the same receiving stats in my earlier post. I also pointed out how it is plainly obvious we need help in the defensive backfield, but that we also need better play out of linebackers, and that our defensive line was fine.

Showing the fact that the KC defensive backfield is last/nearly last in all of these categories is irrelevant. They were not getting the job done, we all know that.

We've done two very important things to improve this defense- get a safety to be a proven leader and get a middle linebacker to improve the middle. Now, if we get Surtain and draft a couple of DB's and an attack LB or two- we will be a much more improved defense.


I just said we were nearly last in every single passing catagory. You said, no we are not.

I agree with the rest.

DT is not what we need.

the Talking Can
04-14-2005, 02:51 PM
lol...if we take a DT over Rodgers I will hunt CP down.

Mark M
04-14-2005, 02:56 PM
DT is not what we need.

Actually, DT is exactly what we need ...

A DT is not.

MM
~~:sulk:

Coogs
04-14-2005, 02:58 PM
Actually, DT is exactly what we need ...

A DT is not.

MM
~~:sulk:


:LOL: :thumb:

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2005, 03:04 PM
lol...if we take a DT over Rodgers I will hunt CP down.

Its Rogers, Rodgers is the QB from Cal.

CosmicPal
04-14-2005, 03:17 PM
I just said we were nearly last in every single passing catagory. You said, no we are not.



Right, and I just wanted to point out that there was at least something good on our defense, like how we were 8th in sacks. All the good numbers, little that they may be, indicate our D line was better than average.

So there. :D

It's all good.

Coogs
04-14-2005, 03:18 PM
Right, and I just wanted to point out that there was at least something good on our defense, like how we were 8th in sacks. All the good numbers, little that they may be, indicate our D line was better than average.

So there. :D

It's all good.


:thumb:

Warrior5
04-14-2005, 03:27 PM
Glad to see everyone has quit violently agreeing with each other.

Now, whoever wrote this article appears to be pretty ignorant of the Chiefs.

whoman69
04-14-2005, 03:39 PM
Glad to see everyone has quit violently agreeing with each other.

Now, whoever wrote this article appears to be pretty ignorant of the Chiefs.
In military terms, sounds like they failed their piss test.

CoMoChief
04-14-2005, 03:47 PM
If we draft another DT im gonna shoot Carl Peterson. Our run defense wasnt that bad last year and improved from the year before. With one year under Gun im sure it will only improve with Bell and hopefully we can trade up for DJ. No way are the Browns gonna draft a LB that high. They need a QB dont they?

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2005, 03:55 PM
If we draft another DT im gonna shoot Carl Peterson. Our run defense wasnt that bad last year and improved from the year before. With one year under Gun im sure it will only improve with Bell and hopefully we can trade up for DJ. No way are the Browns gonna draft a LB that high. They need a QB dont they?

Browns needs everything basically.

LiL stumppy
04-14-2005, 04:24 PM
Wow,I actually laughed when I saw the mock.

the Talking Can
04-14-2005, 04:29 PM
Its Rogers, Rodgers is the QB from Cal.

:banghead:

thanks, I've probably done that 20 times...

milkman
04-14-2005, 07:59 PM
Whoever did this mock needs to put the bong down and back away! :bong:

Spicy McHaggis
04-14-2005, 09:25 PM
Even if we needed another DT I wouldn't want Johnson at 15. We could get our choice of players there and pick Patterson up with our 2nd.

Dave Lane
04-14-2005, 10:00 PM
Brainless.

Dave

J Diddy
04-14-2005, 11:34 PM
Even if we needed another DT I wouldn't want Johnson at 15. We could get our choice of players there and pick Patterson up with our 2nd.

That, my friend, is not the Carl Peterson Way.

keg in kc
04-14-2005, 11:39 PM
I think I'd react better to drafting a FB at 15 than I would to drafting the twelve billionth d-tackle since the turn of the century.

htismaqe
04-15-2005, 06:13 AM
Well, they got one thing right:

Our run defense is HORRIBLE.

However, there's no way in hell we draft another defensive tackle.

Chiefnj
04-15-2005, 06:59 AM
Well, they got one thing right:

Our run defense is HORRIBLE.

However, there's no way in hell we draft another defensive tackle.

Browning is getting old.
Sims is in a contract year.
Dalton is in his final year of a contract.
Siavii is still very raw.

I wouldn't be surprised if they take a DT. Not in round 1, but somewhere in the draft.

htismaqe
04-15-2005, 07:50 AM
Browning is getting old.
Sims is in a contract year.
Dalton is in his final year of a contract.
Siavii is still very raw.

I wouldn't be surprised if they take a DT. Not in round 1, but somewhere in the draft.

Yeah, I wasn't clear.

There's no way in hell they draft another 1st-day DT.