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KChiefs1
04-15-2005, 10:39 PM
Ravens looking to move up… While most teams around the league appear to be far more interested in moving down in next week’s draft, Baltimore reportedly has their eyes on one of the top WRs and would be willing to move up from the 22nd spot overall to get their man. The Ravens are said to be particularly interested in Southern Cal WR Mike Williams, but would have to move up to close to the top 10 - at least – to get him. If Williams turns out to out of reach, Oklahoma WR Mark Clayton may be the Ravens’ fallback target at receiver; Clayton, though, is likely to go in the top 20 so Baltimore would still be forced to move up at least a few spots. Like just about every team in the league, though, the Ravens are leaving their options open and would also be willing to move down. And failing to get a top WR, they could look to upgrade at DE to smooth the transition to a 4-3 base defense. Indeed, the Ravens have had DE prospects David Pollack of Georgia, Matt Roth of Iowa and Oklahoma’s Dan Cody in for visits in recent days.

Chiefs could trade down 7 spots & pickup the Ravens 2nd round pick(53). It would be in the Chiefs favor by 100pts but the Chiefs could throw in one of their 5th round picks to even it up.

Tribal Warfare
04-15-2005, 10:47 PM
No

royr17
04-15-2005, 11:00 PM
Here is the chiefs tradin partner to get another 2nd round pick or a 3rd round pick ........

royr17
04-15-2005, 11:01 PM
Come on Carl pull the trigger on this trade with the ravens .......

Tribal Warfare
04-15-2005, 11:05 PM
Hell No, for what more back ups

Tribal Warfare
04-15-2005, 11:06 PM
get quality and grab Derrick Johnson

royr17
04-15-2005, 11:06 PM
Cause we need the pic so we can get Marlin Jackson in round 1 or Daryl Blackstock, and get a CB or LB in round 2 and be able to trade our pick to MIAMI for Surtain.

royr17
04-15-2005, 11:08 PM
get quality and grab Derrick Johnson

Im not sold on DJ, i think he's not as good as some make him out to be, i mean you read the reports, he doesnt shed blocks too well, sounds like a Kawika Mitchell to be that cant get into the backfield. He can hit and tackle but whats the use in that if you cant shed them blocks.

|Zach|
04-15-2005, 11:16 PM
Im not sold on DJ, i think he's not as good as some make him out to be, i mean you read the reports, he doesnt shed blocks too well, sounds like a Kawika Mitchell to be that cant get into the backfield. He can hit and tackle but whats the use in that if you cant shed them blocks.
Dude, you have compared Derrick Johnson to Kawika Mitchell and Daryl Blackstock to Derrick Thomas in the same week.

HolmeZz
04-15-2005, 11:17 PM
Assuming there was nobody I liked available at 15, I'd be all for trading down a few spots to gain a pick to trade to Miami.

HolmeZz
04-15-2005, 11:18 PM
Im not sold on DJ, i think he's not as good as some make him out to be, i mean you read the reports, he doesnt shed blocks too well, sounds like a Kawika Mitchell to be that cant get into the backfield. He can hit and tackle but whats the use in that if you cant shed them blocks.

Why are you still allowed to post here? STFU

Tribal Warfare
04-15-2005, 11:20 PM
Cause we need the pic so we can get Marlin Jackson in round 1 or Daryl Blackstock, and get a CB or LB in round 2 and be able to trade our pick to MIAMI for Surtain.



Jackson has nagging injury problems, and Blaystock is a one dimensional 3-4 rushbacker.

KC can still obtain Surtain with this years 4th and next years 2nd or 3rd round pick. I say this, because Carl has only offered the 4th

Gravedigger
04-15-2005, 11:20 PM
No way! I don't care we need a first round pick we need one top draft pick not 2 second rounders or any lower. I'm tired of us not taking advantage of players when they are available we need to trade up not trade down.

J Diddy
04-15-2005, 11:35 PM
No way! I don't care we need a first round pick we need one top draft pick not 2 second rounders or any lower. I'm tired of us not taking advantage of players when they are available we need to trade up not trade down.

If it gives us an extra 2nd that makes the whole Surtain deal very real.
7 draft spots won't make that biggashit, a probowl corner will.

At least in this season.

Tribal Warfare
04-15-2005, 11:39 PM
If it gives us an extra 2nd that makes the whole Surtain deal very real.
7 draft spots won't make that biggashit, a probowl corner will.

At least in this season.


KC can still obtain Surtain with this years 4th and next years 2nd or 3rd round pick. I say this, because Carl has only offered the 4th

royr17
04-15-2005, 11:39 PM
Dude, you have compared Derrick Johnson to Kawika Mitchell and Daryl Blackstock to Derrick Thomas in the same week.

Dude only upon getting picked up on blokes easily.

Blackstock and DT upon bein able to rush the passer and be successful.

royr17
04-15-2005, 11:40 PM
Why are you still allowed to post here? STFU

Because im not a troll like alot of these guys here are.

royr17
04-15-2005, 11:42 PM
Jackson has nagging injury problems, and Blaystock is a one dimensional 3-4 rushbacker.

KC can still obtain Surtain with this years 4th and next years 2nd or 3rd round pick. I say this, because Carl has only offered the 4th

Yea i assume that because Carl wants to keep the 2nd rounder, thats why i see them trading down to pick up another 2nd so that they can send to them, Carl wants to be able to get a player in the 2nd round, and from the looks, dont be too surprised if the chiefs trade down pick up a additional 2nd or 3rd and draft OLB Daryl Blackstock in the 1st round.

I really see it happening.

Tribal Warfare
04-15-2005, 11:42 PM
Dude only upon getting picked up on blokes easily.

Blackstock and DT upon bein able to rush the passer and be successful.

KC doesn't need another one dimensional 3-4 rusherbacker or specialist

royr17
04-15-2005, 11:43 PM
No way! I don't care we need a first round pick we need one top draft pick not 2 second rounders or any lower. I'm tired of us not taking advantage of players when they are available we need to trade up not trade down.

Only one question Gravedigger, why do you adopt Johnnie Morton when he's goin to be cut and after what he said about KC ........ you do know what he said dont you ?

keg in kc
04-15-2005, 11:43 PM
Jackson has nagging injury problemsHe missed four games in four years at Michigan and one of those was because he was serving a suspension because of an offseason incident. He played in 11 games, started 7, as a freshman, started and played every game as a sophomore, was injured and missed three games to a leg injury when they had him playing out of position as a free safety his junior year and then he started every game last season when they returned him to corner.

Tribal Warfare
04-15-2005, 11:48 PM
He missed four games in four years at Michigan and one of those was because he was serving a suspension because of an offseason incident. He played in 11 games, started 7, as a freshman, started and played every game as a sophomore, was injured and missed three games to a leg injury when they had him playing out of position as a free safety his junior year and then he started every game last season when they returned him to corner.


Don't forget this offseason he sprained his ankle in offseason workouts, but overcame it time to proceed to the 40 yard dash

keg in kc
04-15-2005, 11:51 PM
He sprained his wrist, not his ankle. Wasn't anything serious.

royr17
04-15-2005, 11:52 PM
Don't forget this offseason he sprained his ankle in offseason workouts, but overcame it time to proceed to the 40 yard dash

Plus Marlin Jackson would love to be a chief i could tell from readin his interview where he said he loved to play in Arrowhead Stadium. But really man my reasonin is on tradin down, a 1st round corner isnt goin to change the season for us like a pro-bowl corner would, and we could trade away that pick, we could still draft Marlin Jackson and get a OLB in the 2nd round by the name of Burnett cause i feel when we pick that Blackstock wouldnt be there, but i'd be very happy if we drafted Burnett.

Tribal Warfare
04-15-2005, 11:54 PM
He sprained his wrist, not his ankle. Wasn't anything serious.


like I said nagging injuries, and that mounts up quick

keg in kc
04-15-2005, 11:55 PM
like I said nagging injuries, and that mounts up quickYou must have brown eyes.

Tribal Warfare
04-15-2005, 11:58 PM
Plus Marlin Jackson would love to be a chief i could tell from readin his interview where he said he loved to play in Arrowhead Stadium. But really man my reasonin is on tradin down, a 1st round corner isnt goin to change the season for us like a pro-bowl corner would, and we could trade away that pick, we could still draft Marlin Jackson and get a OLB in the 2nd round by the name of Burnett cause i feel when we pick that Blackstock wouldnt be there, but i'd be very happy if we drafted Burnett.

I don't care if they like to be in a KC uniform. Hell, Brian Shea wanted to be in KC uniform, but he's not a Chief. No more of this low grade mediocre BS. IUt's time to grab the brass ring, and go for quality. That means getting DJ when he's in range

royr17
04-16-2005, 12:01 AM
I don't care if they like to be in a KC uniform. Hell, Brian Shea wanted to be in KC uniform, but he's not a Chief. No more of this low grade mediocre BS. IUt's time to grab the brass ring, and go for quality. That means getting DJ when he's in range

Dude what would you rather have a OLB that wins ROTY and the chiefs dont make the playoffs or a CB that gets us to the super bowl ?

Tribal Warfare
04-16-2005, 12:03 AM
You must have brown eyes.


crystal blue eyes rochambeau



so far I'm correct the kid does have nagging injuries

keg in kc
04-16-2005, 12:03 AM
so far I'm correct the kid does have nagging injuriesNo, so far you're full of shit. But, hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument.

royr17
04-16-2005, 12:04 AM
No, so far you're full of shit. But, hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument.

Im with you here keg. He is full of shit. :p

Tribal Warfare
04-16-2005, 12:05 AM
Dude what would you rather have a OLB that wins ROTY and the chiefs dont make the playoffs or a CB that gets us to the super bowl ?


It seems you haven't been reading my posts, I proposed a Surtain deal, and a way to get DJ

Tribal Warfare
04-16-2005, 12:07 AM
No, so far you're full of shit. But, hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument.

alright, right to the explentitives . Now I know I'm getting somewhere

royr17
04-16-2005, 12:11 AM
It seems you haven't been reading my posts, I proposed a Surtain deal, and a way to get DJ

Yea you havent beein readin my posts, miami wants a first day pick and wont trade surtain unless they get one thats why i see the chiefs trading down.

Dont get me wrong DJ might be good, i might be missin things, but from what i saw of him i wasnt impressed, there are better linebackers out there, and i really think the best one in the draft is Kevin Burnett from Tennessee and he could be had in round 2.

So tradin down would allow us to pick up another 2nd or 3rd and we could use the 1st to get a corner that could be trained by surtain and still get a all-pro lb in the 2nd round.

Tribal Warfare
04-16-2005, 12:18 AM
Yea you havent beein readin my posts, miami wants a first day pick and wont trade surtain unless they get one thats why i see the chiefs trading down.

Dont get me wrong DJ might be good, i might be missin things, but from what i saw of him i wasnt impressed, there are better linebackers out there, and i really think the best one in the draft is Kevin Burnett from Tennessee and he could be had in round 2.

So tradin down would allow us to pick up another 2nd or 3rd and we could use the 1st to get a corner that could be trained by surtain and still get a all-pro lb in the 2nd round.




this is very shaky Burnett is a backup LB in the pros, and why not DJ. He's not overhyped at the #9-#11 position, because if KC's going to the superbowl it has to be this year Shields is going to retire. None of this hit or miss stuff. I would take my chances on "the most NFL ready player that has come up in years". I read this on many many reviews , and what I've seen the kid is a dead ringer to Jack Ham and Jack Lambert

keg in kc
04-16-2005, 12:19 AM
alright, right to the explentitives . Now I know I'm getting somewhereYeah, 'cause it's really un-f*cking-characteristic of me to use an..."explentitive".

Tribal Warfare
04-16-2005, 12:24 AM
Yeah, 'cause it's really un-f*cking-characteristic of me to use an..."explentitive".


another one, if you talk in a uncivilized fashion I'll call you on it. I'm not name calling

keg in kc
04-16-2005, 12:27 AM
another one, if you talk in a uncivilized fashion I'll call you on it. I'm not name callingBe prepared to 'call' me on it a lot, then, because I don't give a shit about talking in a "civilized" fashion, especially at 1:30 am. That's just the way I talk. Or type. Or whatever the f*ck you want to call it.

And I don't think anyone's done any namecalling. I simply said you're full of shit. Which you were. If you want to filter that to "full of crap" then go right ahead. :shrug:

royr17
04-16-2005, 12:27 AM
this is very shaky Burnett is a backup LB in the pros, and why not DJ. He's not overhyped at the #9-#11 position, because if KC's going to the superbowl it has to be this year Shields is going to retire. None of this hit or miss stuff. I would take my chances on "the most NFL ready player that has come up in years". I read this on many many reviews , and what I've seen the kid is a dead ringer to Jack Ham and Jack Lambert

Whatever, everybody has there opinions. Another reason why i dont want DJ is cause he played under GROB for goodness sakes, his head is probably full of crap right now.

Tribal Warfare
04-16-2005, 12:32 AM
Whatever, everybody has there opinions. Another reason why i dont want DJ is cause he played under GROB for goodness sakes, his head is probably full of crap right now.



That can be fixed with Gun coaching him. one TC with Gun he'll look like Derrick Thomas who can cover

Gravedigger
04-16-2005, 12:40 AM
But we will still get surtain no matter what the cost and we all know this either that or we will get ty law. So I say move up instead of down cause instead of having an extra second lets get a good pick.

Gravedigger
04-16-2005, 12:42 AM
And yes I know what morton said but I adopted him before his actions and he was the only one left available.

royr17
04-16-2005, 12:44 AM
And yes I know what morton said but I adopted him before his actions and he was the only one left available.

Umm actually gochiefs adopted him.

royr17
04-16-2005, 12:45 AM
That can be fixed with Gun coaching him. one TC with Gun he'll look like Derrick Thomas who can cover

The guy will be more of a Derrick Brooks type of player not a Derrick Thomas that can cover.

Tribal Warfare
04-16-2005, 12:57 AM
The guy will be more of a Derrick Brooks type of player not a Derrick Thomas that can cover.



DT use to cover people while he was playing at Alabama. I'm making this comparison because both had the same playing style while in college. Derrick Brooks ain't too shaby either an all- world pro- bowler

Gravedigger
04-16-2005, 01:26 AM
If somebody else adopted him it's new news to me.

FRCDFED
04-16-2005, 07:51 AM
Nice argument guys!! The bottom line is that we could learn a lesson or two from Baltimore when it comes to drafting. The reason that they are able to work wonders with the cap is that they build their team through the draft. Look at all the starters drafted by Balt. and you will know what I mean.

Balt. identifies a few players that they are interested in and pull the trigger to get them. The draft is not about finding 8 - 10 players to fill a roster, it's about getting an opportunity to draft the best players coming out of college.

What Carl hasn't figured out is that you don't get the "best" players when you continuously trade down for more picks, you just get "players." Sometimes the risk of trading up doesn't pay off but at least you are trying to use the system to your advantage. Look how deep the WR class was last season with tall rangy receivers with good speed. How many did we get.......ZERO!! We could've had a couple of decent LB's in round 2 and how many did we get........ZERO (decent ones). We are always trading down and trying to turn a turd into a decent NFL star.

Instead of taking a chance on tweaners or players that just had one decent college season we should start taking a chance on those who had SOLID college careers.

bricks
04-16-2005, 09:36 AM
I think derrick johnson is amazing...the whole knock on Johnson was that plenty of scouts said he was a bit small to play in the NFL. He has added 12 pounds of muscle, and, went from 230lbs to 242lbs. I agree with Royr17, Johnson has a tendency to throw himself into blockers, his ability to shed off blockers is a problem for him, that is the only weakness in his game...Perhaps it was because he was too small, light. Although I feel adding a few extra pounds can make a difference for him in that aspect of his game.


Overall, Derrick Johnson is pretty much everything you want in WLB...I could pretty much see why he is a highly projected draft pick, and, I could also understand Tribal warfare's fascination for him. I'm also a DJ lover myself..I think he's an outstanding athlete, very athletic, posseses great speed. Definately has the ability to play sideline to sideline. Is an amazing coverage linebacker, at times, scouts say he could cover as well as a CB, S could. He is a ball hawk with great hands, can snag passes out of the air. He's the type of Linebacker that can change games, and we haven't had one of those since Derrick Thomas. He is the best linebacker out of college in a long time that can force fumbles. He has killer instincts, plays with a great motor, never gives up on plays...Is a tackling machine, and a great blitzer as well. Plays with a lot of fire, determination. Violence is the correct word I was looking for.
He may not get a lot of sacks, unless a team uses him differently. Still, overall he is something special, with very, very few weaknesses.

I would like for the Chiefs to draft Johnson, realistcally speaking, I think he'll be gone early. Unless, we trade up. If we were to do that, say goodbye to a lot of this years draft picks, Surtain, and, possibly some of next years draft picks imo....While I'd love to have him, don't get me wrong, I just think it is a REAL long shot and way too much of a sacrifice for the Chiefs too get him.

KChiefs1
04-16-2005, 10:24 AM
DRAFT PREVIEW | LINEBACKERS
Taking Johnson No. 1 could be a spark to 3-4
Saturday, April 16, 2005
Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter

Texas linebacker Derrick Johnson could be the impact player the Browns need to power their conversion to the 3-4 defense.

Johnson, the top-rated defensive player in the draft, is one the Browns are considering with the No. 3 overall pick. Earlier this week, Browns Director of Player Personnel Bill Rees said outside linebacker is "the critical position" in the 3-4 scheme.

"[Outside linebacker] is where you want your playmakers," he said. "Derrick plays inside but can rush off the edge. He can play outside and put pressure on the quarterback."

If the Browns are looking for a big-play linebacker, Johnson is their guy. Last year as a senior, he forced an NCAA-record nine fumbles. He also set a Texas record for linebackers with nine career interceptions.

"I have a knack for the ball," said Johnson. "It's my biggest asset, other than my speed."

Thanks to a stellar pro day workout, Johnson's stock is rising. His agent, Vann McElroy, said Friday that teams are trying to trade up for him and the Browns have undoubtedly fielded calls. But if Johnson is there at No. 3, the Browns might not be willing to part with him.

"They've shown a lot of interest in me and they really seem to like me," Johnson said Friday. "They think I can spark their 3-4 defense. I'd be honored to play for the Browns and I'm as excited about them as they seem to be about me."

Johnson has heard his stock is rising.

"I think I've solidified my position as the best defensive player in the draft over the past few months," he said. "My goal is to be No. 1, but I'd like to go as high I can."

Browns General Manager Phil Savage said Johnson (6-3, 242) is "somewhat intriguing" because Texas didn't use him much as a pass rusher. But Longhorns coach Mack Brown said Friday that Johnson has what it takes.

"Derrick will be a great pass rusher in the NFL," said Brown. "In addition to his speed, he's got long arms, great reach and he can grab and pull."

Brown said Johnson rushed more last year under first-year coordinator Greg Robinson, who had been an NFL defensive coordinator for 14 years, but that the Longhorns generally blitzed their safeties.

"We wanted him to stay where he was and use his speed to make plays sideline to sideline," said Brown. "And with the safeties blitzing, Derrick covered the backs coming out of the backfield."

Brown said Johnson will be a great pro "because he's only going to get bigger, better and stronger. I can see him becoming a 250- or 260-pound linebacker who can still run a 4.5."

Brown said Johnson benefited tremendously from one season with Robinson, who has two Super Bowl rings. "He really helped Derrick get prepared for the NFL," said Brown.

When Robinson arrived, he showed Johnson 15 of his good plays and 15 of his bad ones. He pointed out that Johnson was reacting too quickly -- and turning his explosiveness into a liability.

"He slowed me down to make my percentage of getting to the ball much better," said Johnson. "I'm a lot more under control now and don't get fooled on play-action."

Robinson also stressed stripping the ball and Johnson took it to heart, forcing nine fumbles. In comparison, the Browns forced 11 fumbles last season.

"Every time I try to stop a person, I'm thinking ball!,' " said Johnson.

Robinson, now the head coach at Syracuse, said: "I can't say enough about him. He's going to be something special in the NFL." He told NFL.com's Pat Kirwan that Johnson is the best linebacker he's ever coached.

In 2004, Johnson earned the Butkus Award for the nation's best linebacker and the Bronko Nagurski Award for the nation's best defensive player.

"But the thing that really sets him apart is his character and work ethic," said Brown. "He was [a] unanimous [pick as] captain and was never in my office once for a negative. He's just a wonderful guy."

Johnson's rise to the NFL seems inevitable. His older brother, Dwight, played for the Giants and Eagles. His cousin, Bert Emanuel, played for the Falcons, Bucs and Dolphins.

"Football is in my blood," he said. "I don't think I could've gotten out of it. My mom has 21 brothers and sisters, so I have a lot of cousins playing football. You had to play just to see if you could make it."

Johnson compares himself to Derrick Brooks, the future Hall of Fame linebacker for the Bucs. And from the sound of things, he might not be too far off.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670

bricks
04-16-2005, 10:37 AM
DRAFT PREVIEW | LINEBACKERS
Taking Johnson No. 1 could be a spark to 3-4
Saturday, April 16, 2005
Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter

Texas linebacker Derrick Johnson could be the impact player the Browns need to power their conversion to the 3-4 defense.

Johnson, the top-rated defensive player in the draft, is one the Browns are considering with the No. 3 overall pick. Earlier this week, Browns Director of Player Personnel Bill Rees said outside linebacker is "the critical position" in the 3-4 scheme.

"[Outside linebacker] is where you want your playmakers," he said. "Derrick plays inside but can rush off the edge. He can play outside and put pressure on the quarterback."

If the Browns are looking for a big-play linebacker, Johnson is their guy. Last year as a senior, he forced an NCAA-record nine fumbles. He also set a Texas record for linebackers with nine career interceptions.

"I have a knack for the ball," said Johnson. "It's my biggest asset, other than my speed."

Thanks to a stellar pro day workout, Johnson's stock is rising. His agent, Vann McElroy, said Friday that teams are trying to trade up for him and the Browns have undoubtedly fielded calls. But if Johnson is there at No. 3, the Browns might not be willing to part with him.

"They've shown a lot of interest in me and they really seem to like me," Johnson said Friday. "They think I can spark their 3-4 defense. I'd be honored to play for the Browns and I'm as excited about them as they seem to be about me."

Johnson has heard his stock is rising.

"I think I've solidified my position as the best defensive player in the draft over the past few months," he said. "My goal is to be No. 1, but I'd like to go as high I can."

Browns General Manager Phil Savage said Johnson (6-3, 242) is "somewhat intriguing" because Texas didn't use him much as a pass rusher. But Longhorns coach Mack Brown said Friday that Johnson has what it takes.

"Derrick will be a great pass rusher in the NFL," said Brown. "In addition to his speed, he's got long arms, great reach and he can grab and pull."

Brown said Johnson rushed more last year under first-year coordinator Greg Robinson, who had been an NFL defensive coordinator for 14 years, but that the Longhorns generally blitzed their safeties.

"We wanted him to stay where he was and use his speed to make plays sideline to sideline," said Brown. "And with the safeties blitzing, Derrick covered the backs coming out of the backfield."

Brown said Johnson will be a great pro "because he's only going to get bigger, better and stronger. I can see him becoming a 250- or 260-pound linebacker who can still run a 4.5."

Brown said Johnson benefited tremendously from one season with Robinson, who has two Super Bowl rings. "He really helped Derrick get prepared for the NFL," said Brown.

When Robinson arrived, he showed Johnson 15 of his good plays and 15 of his bad ones. He pointed out that Johnson was reacting too quickly -- and turning his explosiveness into a liability.

"He slowed me down to make my percentage of getting to the ball much better," said Johnson. "I'm a lot more under control now and don't get fooled on play-action."

Robinson also stressed stripping the ball and Johnson took it to heart, forcing nine fumbles. In comparison, the Browns forced 11 fumbles last season.

"Every time I try to stop a person, I'm thinking ball!,' " said Johnson.

Robinson, now the head coach at Syracuse, said: "I can't say enough about him. He's going to be something special in the NFL." He told NFL.com's Pat Kirwan that Johnson is the best linebacker he's ever coached.

In 2004, Johnson earned the Butkus Award for the nation's best linebacker and the Bronko Nagurski Award for the nation's best defensive player.

"But the thing that really sets him apart is his character and work ethic," said Brown. "He was [a] unanimous [pick as] captain and was never in my office once for a negative. He's just a wonderful guy."

Johnson's rise to the NFL seems inevitable. His older brother, Dwight, played for the Giants and Eagles. His cousin, Bert Emanuel, played for the Falcons, Bucs and Dolphins.

"Football is in my blood," he said. "I don't think I could've gotten out of it. My mom has 21 brothers and sisters, so I have a lot of cousins playing football. You had to play just to see if you could make it."

Johnson compares himself to Derrick Brooks, the future Hall of Fame linebacker for the Bucs. And from the sound of things, he might not be too far off.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670

I'm telling you, if Cleveland covets this guy at #3 overall. And we are at #15 overall? It would take a miracle for us to get him. Long shot really.

KChiefs1
04-16-2005, 10:37 AM
Browns leaning toward LB in draft
Friday, April 15, 2005 By STEVE DOERSCHUK Repository sports writer

BEREA — Eight days out, the Browns’ first two selections in the 2005 draft are coming into focus.

Don’t be surprised if those picks are Texas linebacker Derrick Johnson at No. 3 and Akron quarterback Charlie Frye at No. 34.

A dozen other scenarios remain plausible, but indications are the Browns like and need both enough to consider taking the plunge.

Johnson makes sense at No. 3 for several reasons.

In addition to that General Manager Phil Savage calls him “a sideline-to-sideline playmaker,” Head Coach Romeo Crennel won Super Bowls with a deep linebacking corp.

“In New England,” Crennel said after a news conference this week, “we were fortunate enough to have four or five good outside linebackers, and we wanted to use them.”

Crennel recently gained a veteran outside linebacker when Matt Stewart jumped from Atlanta in free agency, bringing with him experience in a 3-4.

Not so with the other tentative starter on the outside. Chaun Thompson was still raw in his learning of Butch Davis’ 4-3, but now must figure out a new system in his third year out of NCAA Division II West Texas A&M.

Johnson might handle Crennel’s defense as well as Thompson, given Johnson’s glorious four-year career at traditional power Texas.

Linebackers seldom get drafted as high as third, but Johnson is supposed to be the best prospect at the position since LaVar Arrington, a No. 2 pick in 2000. Nfldraftscout.com has Johnson at No. 2 on its draft board, trailing only Auburn running back Ronnie Brown.

Johnson was a pass-rushing terror for Texas and certainly would be asked to bring the heat in Cleveland.

“My history has been that outside linebackers turn into defensive ends on third downs,” Crennel said.

Pat Kirwan, a former Jets personnel executive, wrote on nfl.com that Johnson is a Derrick Brooks-type. Brooks is a Hall of Fame candidate from Tampa Bay’s defense.

“Greg Robinson, Johnson’s defensive coordinator at Texas and a former NFL defensive coordinator with two Super Bowl rings, told me Johnson is the best linebacker he has ever coached,” Kirwan wrote.

Among factors pointing to Johnson:

• The Browns are thin at the position.

• The team needs to be deep with the switch to the 3-4.

• There’s a steep drop-off between Johnson and the next-highest-rated linebacker, Troy State’s DeMarcus Ware, and another deep drop to Tennessee’s Kevin Burnett and Virginia’s Darryl Blackstock.

• The later-round linebacker crop seems thin.

• Few think Johnson will be around long after No. 3.

Drafting Johnson probably would mean the Browns passed on quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith. Savage hasn’t ruled out those two, but he concedes taking one could be problematic.

That’s why Frye might be more option. Smokescreens aside — there are plenty — it is thought Savage and right-hand man Bill Rees both are high on the Akron passer.

Frye’s stock is rising on nfldraftscout.com, which pegs him as the 33rd-best player in the draft and No. 3 at QB, just ahead of Auburn’s Jason Campbell.

Crennel will get specific about Frye to a point.

“I know Charlie is very competitive,” Crennel said. “I know he can throw on the move. There’s some question about the straight drop-back passing game.”

But there’s a question about every player in this draft. Johnson, for example, gets the job done in run defense but isn’t a classic mauler.

Not everyone thinks Frye has a realistic chance to follow Chad Pennington, Byron Leftwich and Ben Roethlisberger from the Mid-American Conference to the ranks of productive NFL starting quarterback.

The War room scouts of the Sporting News don’t include Frye in their “Super 99.”

It’s clear the Browns like Frye, but unclear whether they like him as a top-of-Round-3 pick and suspect he might fall that far. If he doesn’t, and they don’t have a quarterback, keep an eye on Purdue’s Kyle Orton.

Nfldraftscout.com not only sees Frye as worthy of a No. 34 pick, but sees him as a Brett Favre type, with the Packers perhaps liking him in Round 1, at No. 24.

When Favre was drafted by the Falcons in 1991, the spot was No. 33 overall.

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