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KChiefs1
04-17-2005, 12:17 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/draft/2005/mockdraft2.html

Player Pos. School
1. San Francisco Aaron Rodgers QB California
Comment: Bay Area team, Bay Area quarterback
2. Miami Alex Smith QB Utah
Comment: Life hasn't been good without Dan Marino
3. Cleveland Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
Comment: Trent Dilfer needs a go-to guy
4. Chicago Ronnie Brown HB Auburn
Comment: Bears finished 25th in rushing
5. Tampa Bay Cedric Benson HB Texas
Comment: Bucs finished 29th in rushing
6. Tennessee Antrel Rolle CB Miami
Comment: Replace one Rolle (Samari) with another
7. Minnesota Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
Comment: Speed receiver to replace Randy Moss
8. Arizona Carnell Williams HB Auburn
Comment: Backfield vacancy with Emmitt gone
9. Washington Adam Jones CB West Virginia
Comment: Joe Gibbs drafts another Darrell Green
10. Detroit Derrick Johnson OLB Texas
Comment: Playmaker for a play-deficient defense
11. DALLAS Marcus Spears DE LSU
Comment: Bill Parcells wants a defense with muscle
12. San Diego Shawne Merriman DE Maryland
Comment: NFL's 29th-ranked pass rush needs help
13. Houston Demarcus Ware OLB Troy
Comment: Best speed pass-rush in the draft
14. Carolina Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
Comment: The NFL's best defensive line gets better
15. Kansas City Thomas Davis S Georgia
Comment: A Roy Williams clone
16. New Orleans Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
Comment: NFL's 27th-ranked pass defense needs help
17. Cincinnati Mike Williams WR Southern California
Comment: Carson Palmer also threw to Williams at USC
18. Minnesota David Pollack DE Georgia
Comment: High-energy player to replace Chris Hovan
19. St. Louis Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma
Comment: Rams allowed 50 sacks
20. DALLAS Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
Comment: Best player on the board at this pick
21. Jacksonville Fabian Washington CB Nebraska
Comment: Needs someone to cover Marvin Harrison
22. Baltimore Alex Barron OT Florida State
Comment: Ravens like size and athleticism
23. Seattle Brodney Pool S Oklahoma
Comment: Best defender on the board at this pick
24. Green Bay Marlin Jackson CB Michigan
Comment: NFL's 25th-ranked pass defense needs help
25. Denver Marcus Johnson G Mississippi
Comment: Broncos need to replace Dan Neil
26. NY Jets Justin Miller CB Clemson
Comment: An elite returner to replace Santana Moss
27. Atlanta Matt Roth DE Iowa
Comment: You can never have enough pass rushers
28. San Diego Travis Johnson DT Florida State
Comment: True nose tackle for 3-4 scheme
29. Indianapolis Jonathan Babineaux DT Iowa
Comment: Best pass-rush tackle in the draft
30. Pittsburgh Heath Miller TE Virginia
Comment: Big body, big target for Ben Roethlisberger
31. Philadelphia Chris Spencer C Mississippi
Comment: Eagles continue stacking good players in queue
32. New England Odell Thurman MLB Georgia
Comment: Need to replace Tedy Bruschi

KChiefs1
04-17-2005, 12:30 PM
Thomas Davis
Position: Free/Strong Safety/Outside Linebacker
College: Georgia
Height: 6-1
Weight: 231
Hometown: Shellman, Ga.
OVERVIEW
Davis is regarded by many as one of the finest athletes ever produced by Georgia. Blessed with the size of a linebacker and the quickness of a cornerback, Davis has been a major force for the Bulldogs since making his way into the lineup as a freshman.

A Class AA All-State honorable mention selection by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and Georgia Sports Writers Association as a senior at Randolph-Clay (Shellman, Ga.) High, Davis was also named team MVP. The versatile athlete competed as a running back, quarterback, defensive end, defensive back, wide receiver, punter, kicker and kickoff returner at various times throughout his career.

He rushed for 1,032 yards as a senior and averaged 30 yards per reception as a junior. Davis holds the school record for touchdowns scored in a game with five and also averaged 30 yards a punt. He led the region in scoring as a senior with 108 points in the regular season and had two kickoff returns, one punt return and one fumble return for touchdowns. He also played baseball and ran track, qualifying for the state meet in the 100 meters.

Davis redshirted as a freshman in 2001, then saw action in every game as a free safety and strongside outside linebacker in 2002. He started four games during his freshman year, recording 61 tackles (39 solo) with three sacks, four stops for losses, 11 quarterback pressures, three fumble recoveries, three pass deflections and an interception.

In 2003, Davis earned All-America second-team honors from The Sporting News and was a consensus All-Southeastern Conference choice. He entered fall camp as the starting strongside linebacker, but injuries in the secondary forced him to shift to free safety before the season opener. Davis would go on to record a career-high 138 tackles (89 solo) with 4 sacks, eight stops behind the line of scrimmage and 12 quarterback pressures. He recovered a fumble for a touchdown, caused two fumbles, returned a blocked punt for a score and intercepted a pass.

The consensus All-American and All-SEC pick again lined up at free safety in 2004. Davis was forced to sit out the Kentucky game with knee and ankle sprains, but still managed to lead the team in tackles that year. He collected 81 hits (57 solo) with three sacks, five stops for losses, four pressures, three forced fumbles, an interception and four pass breakups.

Davis opted to enter the 2005 NFL Draft rather than return to school for his final season. He finished his Georgia career with 39 games and 25 starts. Davis posted 272 tackles (179 solo) with 10 sacks for minus-75 yards, 17 stops for losses of 101 yards and 27 quarterback pressures. He recovered four fumbles for 23 yards in returns and a touchdown, and also caused six fumbles. Davis gained 45 yards on three interceptions, 25 yards and a score on two blocked punts and deflected nine passes.


ANALYSIS
Positives: Big, strong, physical athlete with a V-shaped torso, thick chest, broad shoulders, muscular arms, large hands, good bubble, thick thighs and calves Does everything the coaches ask, is a workout warrior and pushes others when they see his work ethic Has good field smarts and is quick to see and read plays, especially the run Shows quick reaction to what he sees in front of him and he is rarely caught out of position Can lay back and play centerfield with good timing to make the play on the ball Has good timing ability on his leaps going for the ball, showing good arm extension to get to the pigskin at its high point Has outstanding range, doing a very good job of covering ground in a hurry Quick to support against the run, showing good explosion when closing Has the height and speed to match up against any tight end, running back or receiver Big hitter who can blow opponents up if he's on track Does a good job of breaking down, facing up and wrapping Has enough speed to trail tight ends, running backs and slot receivers Keeps things in front of him in zone coverage, showing very good range and takes proper angles in pursuit Quick to step up and plug the rush lanes, showing a good feel for the support lanes and will generally take good angles to get to the ball Davis' strength allows for him to display explosive hitting ability Uses his hands effectively to shed blocks and will not hesitate to throw himself into the pile to sniff out the ball Excellent blitzer who can come off the edge with explosion or use his club and rip moves to shed, stack and control to shoot the inside gaps.

Negatives: Will sometimes peek into the backfield too long, and thus struggle some to recognize a developing pass play Plays with reckless abandon, but needs to improve his plant and drive, as he will get a little too reckless and over-pursue Shows good lateral agility, but is a little stiff in his hips and this is noticeable when he tries to change direction when taking on the inside slot receivers Adequate at timing his leaps, but struggles to look in the ball in over his shoulders or when his back is turned to the ball Seems to want to attack and punish the ball carrier too much, taking away from his primary assignment -- searching out the ball.


INJURY REPORT
2004 -- Sat out the Kentucky game (11/06) with knee and ankle sprains.


AGILITY
4.54 in the 40-yard dash 355-pound bench press 520-pound squat 324-pound hang clean 34-inch vertical jump.

Pro day results
Davis (6-0, 227) ran his 40s in 4.43 and 4.44. He had a 9-foot-10 long jump and 12 reps. Scouts worked him at safety and at linebacker, and the consensus is that he will remain at safety in the NFL.

HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Randolph-Clay (Shellman, Ga.) High, playing football for coach Jim McFather Class AA All-State honorable mention by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and Georgia Sports Writers Association Team MVP as a senior Played running back, wide receiver, quarterback, defensive end, defensive back, punter, kicker and kick returner at various times throughout his career Rushed for 1,032 yards as a senior Averaged 30 yards per reception as a junior Holds the school record for touchdowns scored in a game with five Averaged 30 yards per punt Led the region in scoring as a senior with 108 points in the regular season Had two kickoff returns, one punt return, and one fumble return for touchdowns Also played baseball and ran track Qualified for the state meet in the 100 meters.


PERSONAL
Consumer Economics major Born March 22, 1983 Resides in Shellman, Ga.

BIO: Full-time starter the past two seasons and an All-Conference selection as a junior after leading the team in tackles posting 81/1/4. Posted a career-high 138 tackles as a sophomore when once again he earned All-Conference honors.

POSITIVES: Forceful, run-defending safety with good skill in pass coverage. Hard-hitting presence in centerfield who aggressively puts his shoulders down into opponents, wraps up at the point and easily brings down ballcarriers on initial contact. Defeats blocks up the field, hard hitting against the run and always willing to throw his pad into the mix. Does a fine job picking up assignments in zone and has adequate skills covering the slot receiver. Moves well laterally and packs a wallop at the point of attack. Works well with cornerbacks, solid skills moving sideline to sideline and displays a good degree of suddenness. Special teams demon who's blocked kicks in the past.

NEGATIVES: Does not always take the best angles to plays. Occasionally indecisive and bites on play-action passes or moves up the field too quickly.

ANALYSIS: A terrific player with a great motor, Davis has tremendous size for the safety position and can be a devastating run defender. Offers a great upside in a variety of schemes and much more than a one-dimensional prospect.

PROJECTION: Mid First Round

Dave Lane
04-17-2005, 03:05 PM
I'd still rather have Rogers. We need CBs like Kirstie Alley eats donuts.

Dave

Mr. Kotter
04-17-2005, 03:10 PM
Gosselin's record has been good....but I don't think we take him if Rogers is still on the board.

And what's with Mike Williams droppin' to Cinci...? No way.

htismaqe
04-17-2005, 04:13 PM
Gosselin's record has been good....but I don't think we take him if Rogers is still on the board.

And what's with Mike Williams droppin' to Cinci...? No way.

I heard on Hair Kiper's show this morning from Chris Landry (I think that's his name, he's a pro scout?) that at least SIX teams are looking at Williams as a TE...

Tribal Warfare
04-17-2005, 04:18 PM
I wouldn't have a problem KC drafting Davis if the scenario fell to obtaining Surtain for this years 2nd and not this years 4th and next years 2nd or 3rd. Though I still believe KC's in the hunt for Derrick Johnson

Mr. Kotter
04-17-2005, 05:10 PM
I heard on Hair Kiper's show this morning from Chris Landry (I think that's his name, he's a pro scout?) that at least SIX teams are looking at Williams as a TE...

I think he'll start out at WR, depending on the team that drafts him. After a few years though, I could see him moving to TE.

whoman69
04-17-2005, 05:21 PM
I think he'll start out at WR, depending on the team that drafts him. After a few years though, I could see him moving to TE.
Maybe he'll be the magical H-back that everybody seems to want but nobody can use

htismaqe
04-17-2005, 05:39 PM
I wouldn't have a problem KC drafting Davis if the scenario fell to obtaining Surtain for this years 2nd and not this years 4th and next years 2nd or 3rd. Though I still believe KC's in the hunt for Derrick Johnson

Of course you do.

Tribal Warfare
04-17-2005, 06:40 PM
No I don't

Mr. Kotter
04-17-2005, 06:44 PM
Maybe he'll be the magical H-back that everybody seems to want but nobody can use

Is he that good a blocker? :hmmm:

the Talking Can
04-17-2005, 06:54 PM
Thomas Davis



ANALYSIS
Has good timing ability on his leaps going for the ball...


Negatives: Adequate at timing his leaps, but struggles to look in the ball in over his shoulders or when his back is turned to the ball





I swear they just make this stuff up.

htismaqe
04-17-2005, 07:01 PM
No I don't

You said you think KC is in the hunt for Derrick Johnson.

I said "of course, you do."

You answered with the above.

I think you should get some sleep.

And take down your Derrick Johnson posters before you close your eyes...

milkman
04-17-2005, 08:15 PM
I heard on Hair Kiper's show this morning from Chris Landry (I think that's his name, he's a pro scout?) that at least SIX teams are looking at Williams as a TE...

Yeah, that's his name.
I've heard him several times over the last couple of years, and he really seems to be pretty well informed.

Better than most of the so called "scouts" I've heard on the radio.

Tribal Warfare
04-17-2005, 08:21 PM
You said you think KC is in the hunt for Derrick Johnson.

I said "of course, you do."

You answered with the above.

I think you should get some sleep.

And take down your Derrick Johnson posters before you close your eyes...



I said I didn't have a problem drafting Davis if DJ wasn't possible

htismaqe
04-17-2005, 08:32 PM
I said I didn't have a problem drafting Davis if DJ wasn't possible

Not to nitpick on language skills here, but I guess I just assumed you would understand "of course you do" was in response to your statement that you thought KC was in the hunt for Derrick Johnson.

You said you "would not" have a problem with Davis, rather than "did not" have a problem, therefore "of course you do" is not grammatically correct. I just figured you'd know that I was responding to the last half of your post, since responding to your stuff about Davis with "of course you do" makes absolutely no sense.

Well, uh, nevermind...

Rain Man
04-17-2005, 09:26 PM
Thomas Davis
Position: Free/Strong Safety/Outside Linebacker
College: Georgia
Height: 6-1
Weight: 231
Hometown: Shellman, Ga.

PERSONAL
Consumer Economics major Born March 22, 1983 Resides in Shellman, Ga.




Isn't "Consumer Economics" the new name for Home Economics? If so, that'll make him doubly valuable. He can play defense AND he can advise the team on how to remove stubborn grass stains from their uniforms.

Digital Takawira
04-18-2005, 01:16 AM
as much as we need a playmaker like carlos rogers or thomas davis on defense, passing up mike williams would be tough. williams in our offense would be ridiculous. we almost wouldn't need a defense. almost.

beer bacon
04-18-2005, 01:30 AM
as much as we need a playmaker like carlos rogers or thomas davis on defense, passing up mike williams would be tough. williams in our offense would be ridiculous. we almost wouldn't need a defense. almost.


How great would it be to lose in the first game of the playoffs 56-49?

Anyong Bluth
04-18-2005, 01:37 AM
one rookie WR i don't think is going to once again bump up our scoring avg so high that team can't torch us. We don't need anymore points! look at the colts and us - NO D = sitting at home. Picking up Surtain & a LB / CB is much smarter.

I can't figure out why we'd pick up another safety unless we're planning on shipping off some of the ones we have- and it seems like LB is a bigger need?

beer bacon
04-18-2005, 02:04 AM
one rookie WR i don't think is going to once again bump up our scoring avg so high that team can't torch us. We don't need anymore points! look at the colts and us - NO D = sitting at home. Picking up Surtain & a LB / CB is much smarter.

I can't figure out why we'd pick up another safety unless we're planning on shipping off some of the ones we have- and it seems like LB is a bigger need?

Lots of teams are projecting Davis as an LB. He is 6-1 and 230 pounds. That would be slightly undersized, but not greatly. He played SLB his sophomore year in college and he put up his best stats of his college career that year: 138 total tackles, eight tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks and one interception. In addition, even when he moved to safety he still spent a ton of time playing in the box up close to the line.

If our scouting staff and Gunther are convinced he can come in at LB, then I am fine with that. He would be the second best 4-3 OLB after DJ.

Digital Takawira
04-18-2005, 02:49 AM
you act as if we haven't made upgrades already. if we get surtain that would make williams a possibility. almost. notice that key word i used again? almost. that means that even though adding williams WOULD put our offense at near untouchable levels, yes we still need more help on d.

htismaqe
04-18-2005, 05:21 AM
one rookie WR i don't think is going to once again bump up our scoring avg so high that team can't torch us. We don't need anymore points! look at the colts and us - NO D = sitting at home. Picking up Surtain & a LB / CB is much smarter.

I can't figure out why we'd pick up another safety unless we're planning on shipping off some of the ones we have- and it seems like LB is a bigger need?

Alot of teams are projecting Davis as an OLB.

htismaqe
04-18-2005, 05:21 AM
you act as if we haven't made upgrades already. if we get surtain that would make williams a possibility. almost. notice that key word i used again? almost. that means that even though adding williams WOULD put our offense at near untouchable levels, yes we still need more help on d.

We found out last season in the first few games that there's no such thing as an untouchable offense...

Anyong Bluth
04-18-2005, 05:34 AM
We found out last season in the first few games that there's no such thing as an untouchable offense...



Thats all I'm saying. When the weather gets crappy a O-line and two backs like LJ and Priest are worth their weight in gold. Throw in Tony G, Kris Wilson, Kennison and Boerichter back ( i've always like him with his size and deceptive speed) I think we're fine.

The end goal is to get the D up to snuff - taking a Off player in the 1st just seems like you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And I've heard mixed reviews of Williams - some say Keyshawn II other swear by him - I would have loved to have had the WR TB got last year, but what's done is done.

Too bad we had to get some pointless wins and hurt our draft position.
I'm still up for a LB - no rookie CB is going to come in and outplay Warfield probably - Surtain is the answer & with the new safety's fighting it out - why couldn't woods or wesley play nickel?

I'm just hesitant to bring in a tweener S/LB - why not jump a few spots if available to get DJ? Is it at all possible to trade down and still get the CB & Blackstone (spelling?) with another 2nd?

Bob Dole
04-18-2005, 05:40 AM
Alot of teams are projecting Davis as an OLB.

Which likely means the KC front office is projecting him at CB.

htismaqe
04-18-2005, 07:54 AM
Thats all I'm saying. When the weather gets crappy a O-line and two backs like LJ and Priest are worth their weight in gold. Throw in Tony G, Kris Wilson, Kennison and Boerichter back ( i've always like him with his size and deceptive speed) I think we're fine.

The end goal is to get the D up to snuff - taking a Off player in the 1st just seems like you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And I've heard mixed reviews of Williams - some say Keyshawn II other swear by him - I would have loved to have had the WR TB got last year, but what's done is done.

Too bad we had to get some pointless wins and hurt our draft position.
I'm still up for a LB - no rookie CB is going to come in and outplay Warfield probably - Surtain is the answer & with the new safety's fighting it out - why couldn't woods or wesley play nickel?

I'm just hesitant to bring in a tweener S/LB - why not jump a few spots if available to get DJ? Is it at all possible to trade down and still get the CB & Blackstone (spelling?) with another 2nd?

I don't think Williams is even the best WR in this draft, let alone the best WR in years, as some would have us believe. Williams isn't going to win the Carolina game last year, or the New Orleans game.

I don't think Davis is a tweener at all. He's a playmaker and we don't have nearly enough of those on our defense. If we can trade up to get DJ, I'm all for it, as long as we don't have to give up our entire draft to do it. And yes, we could trade down, get additional picks, and still get a CB like Marlin Jackson PLUS Blackstock or someone like that.

Kyle401
04-18-2005, 08:25 AM
I like either T. Davis or Rogers at #15. If they are both there, I would go with Davis if we have a deal for Surtain, Rogers if not.

I hope that Ware goes ahead of our #15 pick if we don't trade up. I am not yet sold on him. He seems to be shooting up the boards late, which IMO is a recipe for a bust.