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Scorp
04-17-2005, 10:55 PM
Just found out we have a twenty year old registered sex offender living 80 feet directly behind my house. My wife is absolutely freaking out. He was convicted of SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF A CHILD. I have a 4 yr. old daughter and a 2 month old son. I have absolutely no idea what i should do in this situation. I need some good advice please.


UPDATE!

I called the county Sherrifs office. A very nice lady officer understood my concerns and did some digging for me. She called me back and said his crime was computer related. Whew! That is a load off my mind. Not negating the fact he did something illegal, but at least it was cyber illegal.

Thanks again everyone who participated in this discussion.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 10:59 PM
You should not let your kids go to his house. Other than that, what can you do?

Relax, just because someone did something once doesn't mean they're going to do it again, and it sure doesn't mean they're going to do it to you or yours.

If I'm not mistaken, explotation of a child could very well mean he had a 17 year old girlfriend when he was 19.

I can understand your concern, but there's nothing you can do. So, worrying is a waste of your emotions.

Sorry.

thumper118
04-17-2005, 10:59 PM
Approach the guy and put the fear of god in his ass. Let him know you are aware of his sick ass and that he will be in a shallow grave if he is ever seen in the alley or near your kids!

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:00 PM
Approach the guy and put the fear of god in his ass. Let him know you are aware of his sick ass and that he will be in a shallow grave if he is ever seen in the alley or near your kids!

Yeah, that's smart. While you're at it, you may as well double-dog-dare him to **** your four year old.

tk13
04-17-2005, 11:00 PM
Not that I'm any expert on this stuff, but I'd absolutely 100% make sure that your daughter knows what to do if approached by a stranger. I guess that's probably good advice regardless of where you live or who you live next to...

Pitt Gorilla
04-17-2005, 11:01 PM
Approach the guy and put the fear of god in his ass. Let him know you are aware of his sick ass and that he will be in a shallow grave if he is ever seen in the alley or near your kids!Yeah, piss him off and threaten him; that is f*cking brilliant. :rolleyes:

wazu
04-17-2005, 11:15 PM
If I'm not mistaken, explotation of a child could very well mean he had a 17 year old girlfriend when he was 19.

Yeah, as a parent, I'm sure he'll want to give the registered sex offender the benefit of the doubt. From my slightly more cynical viewpoint, "sexual exploitation of a child" sounds like something that would be a result of a plea-bargain. I'd want to know the facts of the case before doing anything, but of the options listed the flier idea sounded like it had merit.

Phobia
04-17-2005, 11:15 PM
You should put out a bowl of anti-freeze....

Phobia
04-17-2005, 11:16 PM
Another option is to sue the hell out of your real estate agent.

jettio
04-17-2005, 11:17 PM
Looks to be a pornography offense.

Since he is 20 years old, it may be possible that he filmed something between himself and a girlfriend when underage.

Maybe there is a way to find the details of the crime to find out if he is likely to prey on young children. Should be public record since there was a conviction unless it was a juvenile offense and there is some kind of sealing of record.

Here is the Kansas law for that crime, seems to be for having, making, or copying porn.

21-3516
Chapter 21.--CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT
Article 35.--SEX OFFENSES
21-3516. Sexual exploitation of a child. (a) Sexual exploitation of a child is:

(1) Employing, using, persuading, inducing, enticing or coercing a child under 18 years of age to engage in sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of promoting any performance;

(2) possessing any film, photograph, negative, slide, book, magazine or other printed or visual medium or any audio tape recording or any photocopy, video tape, video laser disk, computer hardware, software, floppy disk or any other computer related equipment or computer generated image that contains or incorporates in any manner any film, photograph, negative, photocopy, video tape or video laser disk in which a visual depiction of a child under 18 years of age is shown or heard engaging in sexually explicit conduct with intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires or appeal to the prurient interest of the offender, the child or another;

(3) being a parent, guardian or other person having custody or control of a child under 18 years of age and knowingly permitting such child to engage in, or assist another to engage in, sexually explicit conduct for any purpose described in subsection (a)(1) or (2); or

(4) promoting any performance that includes sexually explicit conduct by a child under 18 years of age, knowing the character and content of the performance.

(b) As used in this section:

(1) "Sexually explicit conduct" means actual or simulated: Exhibition in the nude; sexual intercourse or sodomy, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital or oral-anal contact, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; masturbation; sado-masochistic abuse for the purpose of sexual stimulation; or lewd exhibition of the genitals, female breasts or pubic area of any person.

(2) "Promoting" means procuring, selling, providing, lending, mailing, delivering, transferring, transmitting, distributing, circulating, disseminating, presenting, producing, directing, manufacturing, issuing, publishing, displaying, exhibiting or advertising:

(A) For pecuniary profit; or

(B) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire or appeal to the prurient interest of the offender, the child or another.

(3) "Performance" means any film, photograph, negative, slide, book, magazine or other printed or visual medium, any audio tape recording or any photocopy, video tape, video laser disk, computer hardware, software, floppy disk or any other computer related equipment or computer generated image that contains or incorporates in any manner any film, photograph, negative, photocopy, video tape or video laser disk or any play or other live presentation.

(4) "Nude" means any state of undress in which the human genitals, pubic region, buttock or female breast, at a point below the top of the areola, is less than completely and opaquely covered.

(c) Sexual exploitation of a child is a severity level 5, person felony.

(d) This section shall be part of and supplemental to the Kansas criminal code.

History: L. 1978, ch. 122, § 1; L. 1985, ch. 109, § 1; L. 1986, ch. 121, § 1; L. 1989, ch. 90, § 1; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 29; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 51; L. 1995, ch. 251, § 11; L. 1998, ch. 104, § 2; July 1.

Simplex3
04-17-2005, 11:18 PM
I wouldn't threaten the guy but I'd sure as hell make sure he was aware that I and everyone else in the neighborhood knew who he was and what he did. I would know the whole neighborhood knew because I would personally tell them. I wouldn't make it threatening or confrontational, just chat with him calmly and let him know you're all a little nervous and that you'll be keeping an eye on him. Ask him what he did, it could be something as simple as the 17yr old girlfriend thing (you may be able to find out online or from the cops as well). Tell him it's nothing personal but you read the stats and you know the recidivism rates for sex abusers are high.

Leave on a positive note, something like "I hope you're past this and ready to live a clean life" or some other such crap. If he knows he's being watched and knows that everyone in the neighborhood knows about him he will be less likely to operate in the neighborhood if and when he makes another move.

As for changing your lifestyle, make sure you keep the doors and windows locked at all times. I wouldn't have my kids in the back yard in their bathing suits playing in the sprinkler. Simple things like that.

Valiant
04-17-2005, 11:18 PM
You should not let your kids go to his house. Other than that, what can you do?

Relax, just because someone did something once doesn't mean they're going to do it again, and it sure doesn't mean they're going to do it to you or yours.

If I'm not mistaken, explotation of a child could very well mean he had a 17 year old girlfriend when he was 19.

I can understand your concern, but there's nothing you can do. So, worrying is a waste of your emotions.

Sorry.


Umm, majority of these fuks will do something agian... Put the fear into him... You do not give these people chances, hell their has been at least two dozen cases this year where kids were killed from repeat offenders... There is a chance he wont, but he gots better odds at doing it agian then our chiefs winning the superbowl...

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:19 PM
What an interesting dilemma.

We have allowed a known sexual felon that has served his time and is released back into the community and now none of us want to live near him.

If I were you and renting, I would move immediately. If I owned, it would be more difficult. Is the offender owning or renting?

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:19 PM
Yeah, as a parent, I'm sure he'll want to give the registered sex offender the benefit of the doubt. From my slightly more cynical viewpoint, "sexual exploitation of a child" sounds like something that would be a result of a plea-bargain. I'd want to know the facts of the case before doing anything, but of the options listed the flier idea sounded like it had merit.

The flyer idea isn't bad, but I'd try to make sure that he doesn't know WHO posted the flyers. For the record, the poll wasn't there yet when I responded.

I realize he probably won't want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think there's any way to find out the details of the case -- I think the name of the offense is all you get to know.

In any case, I stand by what I said -- there's really nothing that can be done. You can make people aware, but the bottom line is that you can't force him to move, and if you move yourself you're basically sucummbing to terror. All you can do is educate your kids and hope for the best.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:21 PM
I wouldn't threaten the guy but I'd sure as hell make sure he was aware that I and everyone else in the neighborhood knew who he was and what he did. I would know the whole neighborhood knew because I would personally tell them. I wouldn't make it threatening or confrontational, just chat with him calmly and let him know you're all a little nervous and that you'll be keeping an eye on him. Ask him what he did, it could be something as simple as the 17yr old girlfriend thing (you may be able to find out online or from the cops as well). Tell him it's nothing personal but you read the stats and you know the recidivism rates for sex abusers are high.

Leave on a positive note, something like "I hope you're past this and ready to live a clean life" or some other such crap. If he knows he's being watched and knows that everyone in the neighborhood knows about him he will be less likely to operate in the neighborhood if and when he makes another move.

As for changing your lifestyle, make sure you keep the doors and windows locked at all times. I wouldn't have my kids in the back yard in their bathing suits playing in the sprinkler. Simple things like that.


Probably good advice if you've got the balls to confront him. Nice post.

Scorp
04-17-2005, 11:21 PM
You should put out a bowl of anti-freeze....

Ok.........and what would I accomplish by doing this??? :shake:

Phobia
04-17-2005, 11:22 PM
Ask him what he did,

"Dude, I violently sodomized a 13 year old child with a baseball bat, but it's in my past. I promise. I barely even get a chub when I dream about it every night."

CosmicPal
04-17-2005, 11:23 PM
Sexual Exploitation
Includes (a) allowing, permitting, or encouraging a child to engage in prostitution by any person; or (b) allowing, permitting, encouraging, or engaging in the obscene or pornographic photographing, filming, or depicting of a child by any person. RCW 26.44.020 (14)

That's not good.

I'd keep your kids away from your neighbor, and I think you have the right to let the neighbors who have children know.

Phobia
04-17-2005, 11:23 PM
Ok.........and what would I accomplish by doing this??? :shake:

That's the advice I see given for problems associated with neighborhood pets, so I thought maybe it would apply in this case - no?

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:23 PM
Umm, majority of these fuks will do something agian... Put the fear into him... You do not give these people chances, hell their has been at least two dozen cases this year where kids were killed from repeat offenders... There is a chance he wont, but he gots better odds at doing it agian then our chiefs winning the superbowl...

I'm sure you're right about the repeat offender odds, but I think being confrontational will just make your family a target. If you're going to confront him at all, don't try to "put fear in him" -- instead, let him know that you understand people make mistakes but you are concerned and would like to know ehere he stands today. If the guy is 20 years old, I think it's far more likley his offense is not something incredibly sickening. Personally, I probably wouldn't confront him, but if you do, I think it's gotta be in a polite way, otherwise you're setting yourself up.

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:24 PM
The flyer idea isn't bad, but I'd try to make sure that he doesn't know WHO posted the flyers. For the record, the poll wasn't there yet when I responded.

I realize he probably won't want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think there's any way to find out the details of the case -- I think the name of the offense is all you get to know.

In any case, I stand by what I said -- there's really nothing that can be done. You can make people aware, but the bottom line is that you can't force him to move, and if you move yourself you're basically sucummbing to terror. All you can do is educate your kids and hope for the best.
Succumb to terror? Perhaps. Would that be a good excuse for the wife if the moment happens that his daughter is raped? "Look, honey, I realize that our 12 year old was sodomized, beaten, and raped for several hours, but I wasn't going to succumb to terror. I did the right thing."

Hope for the best is not what someone does for their child. They protect them.

Personally, I would let him know (nonconfrontationally) that I was aware of his charge and give him a chance to explain himself. It isn't a matter of having balls, it is a matter of taking care of your own.

Valiant
04-17-2005, 11:24 PM
https://www.accesskansas.org/registered-offender/index.html?by=name

if anybody else wants to know about their sick neighbors...

Scorp
04-17-2005, 11:24 PM
If I were you and renting, I would move immediately. If I owned, it would be more difficult. Is the offender owning or renting?


I own......and he lives with either his mother or aunt type relationship.

My wife says we are moving! arggh

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:24 PM
That's the advice I see given for problems associated with neighborhood pets, so I thought maybe it would apply in this case - no?
You forgot to put it in bacon. Pedophiles can't resist bacon.

Simplex3
04-17-2005, 11:25 PM
"Dude, I violently sodomized a 13 year old child with a baseball bat, but it's in my past. I promise. I barely even get a chub when I dream about it every night."
I'm not expecting him to tell me everything, I'm looking to see how he reacts. If he gives me the "F**K YOU! IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS BUDDY!" then I'm moving. If he hasn't accepted what he's done then he's even more likely to repeat. I'll judge my actions based on how he responds to a loaded question like that.

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:26 PM
I own......and he lives with either his mother or aunt type relationship.

My wife says we are moving! arggh
Might be the thing to do. Next the moral dilemma, do you let another married couple with kids move in without telling them why you are moving, or do you do the moral thing?

Frazod
04-17-2005, 11:26 PM
These sick f#cks should NEVER be allowed out into society again. Child molestation should be a death penalty offense, period. It is one of the greatest shames of our society that these f#cks are freed to strike again and again. There are certain crimes that should remove one's rights to everything except the end of a noose or a lightning ride.

I personally think that if these freaks are freed, they should all be required to live right next door to the liberal idiot douchebags who champion their freedom. But it never works out that way.

It sucks, but were I in your situation, I'd move. Your kids are more important than blowing a lease.

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:26 PM
These sick f#cks should NEVER be allowed out into society again. Child molestation should be a death penalty offense, period. .

There is the only safe answer for society.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:26 PM
Sexual Exploitation
Includes (a) allowing, permitting, or encouraging a child to engage in prostitution by any person; or (b) allowing, permitting, encouraging, or engaging in the obscene or pornographic photographing, filming, or depicting of a child by any person. RCW 26.44.020 (14)

That's not good.

I'd keep your kids away from your neighbor, and I think you have the right to let the neighbors who have children know.

Keep your kids away from the neighbor? Sorry, I figured that much was obvious. :)

You gotta figure this guy filmed or photographed a sex act with an underage girl. Given that he's 20, it's very likley his undeage girl was not much underage and was a girlfriend or other relationship.

I'm really not trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but we're talking about a 20 year old here (and maybe younger when he committed the offense). He was practically a kid himself, so it's not as if he was an old man hitting on 10 year olds.

LiL stumppy
04-17-2005, 11:27 PM
Your kids arn't old enough to be out side by themselves.So I wouldn't worry about it to much,but consider moving in the next couple of years.

tk13
04-17-2005, 11:28 PM
Just to clear this up, before we totally crucify this neighbor... is it possible that this crime would have simply been a 18 year old guy sleeping with a 17 year old girl or something like that? That is a possibility here isn't it...

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:28 PM
Succumb to terror? Perhaps. Would that be a good excuse for the wife if the moment happens that his daughter is raped? "Look, honey, I realize that our 12 year old was sodomized, beaten, and raped for several hours, but I wasn't going to succumb to terror. I did the right thing."

I get what you're saying, but did you also think that everyone should move out of NYC because of the threat of planes dive-bombing skyscrapers? We can't live in fear. Most of us will never have our kids sexually abused and if we live scared of it, we're only making our lives worse for no good reason.

Scorp
04-17-2005, 11:28 PM
Might be the thing to do. Next the moral dilemma, do you let another married couple with kids move in without telling them why you are moving, or do you do the moral thing?


:banghead: Oh man! :banghead:

Frazod
04-17-2005, 11:29 PM
You should put out a bowl of anti-freeze....

Cross-thread irony violation. 10 yard penalty and loss of down. :spank:

ROFL

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:29 PM
Keep your kids away from the neighbor? Sorry, I figured that much was obvious. :)

You gotta figure this guy filmed or photographed a sex act with an underage girl. Given that he's 20, it's very likley his undeage girl was not much underage and was a girlfriend or other relationship.

I'm really not trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but we're talking about a 20 year old here (and maybe younger when he committed the offense). He was practically a kid himself, so it's not as if he was an old man hitting on 10 year olds.
Sexual offenders don't become offenders when the get old.

We have one in Jackson Co. Jail right now that is merely 17 and has a diary of over 20 children he has molested.

Phobia
04-17-2005, 11:29 PM
Might be the thing to do. Next the moral dilemma, do you let another married couple with kids move in without telling them why you are moving, or do you do the moral thing?

Not when the moral thing means giving up your child's college fund in the property value difference. New homebuyers have the same resources available to them to local registered sexual offenders. He has no obligation to the new homeowner other than what has been defined legally.

Simplex3
04-17-2005, 11:30 PM
I own......and he lives with either his mother or aunt type relationship.

My wife says we are moving! arggh
Don't move. The devil you know sort of thing. At least you know who and where the guy is. What if you move next door to a guy that hasn't been caught yet?

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:31 PM
These sick f#cks should NEVER be allowed out into society again. Child molestation should be a death penalty offense, period. It is one of the greatest shames of our society that these f#cks are freed to strike again and again. There are certain crimes that should remove one's rights to everything except the end of a noose or a lightning ride.

I personally think that if these freaks are freed, they should all be required to live right next door to the liberal idiot douchebags who champion their freedom. But it never works out that way.

It sucks, but were I in your situation, I'd move. Your kids are more important than blowing a lease.

Fraz, I totally agree with you if you're talking about child molestation, but there's no way to know if that's what we're talking about at all. Actually, we know that he either encouraged a child to prostitute him/herself, or he filmed/photgraphed a sexual act of someone underage. That's all we know.

Given that, it's quite possible that he took some nudie pics of him and his 17 year old girlfriend when he was 18. Should he be locked up forever?

Yes, I'm a liberal, but no matter how conservative you are you can't possibly think someone should be put to death for that, can you?

Chiefs Pantalones
04-17-2005, 11:31 PM
I'd make fun of him until he moves.

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:31 PM
I get what you're saying, but did you also think that everyone should move out of NYC because of the threat of planes dive-bombing skyscrapers? We can't live in fear. Most of us will never have our kids sexually abused and if we live scared of it, we're only making our lives worse for no good reason.
There is a huge difference in living in a large building thousands of miles away from the homes of possible terrorists and living only two houses away from a child molester.

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:32 PM
Not when the moral thing means giving up your child's college fund in the property value difference. New homebuyers have the same resources available to them to local registered sexual offenders. He has no obligation to the new homeowner other than what has been defined legally.
I didn't say he was obligated, I stated it would be the moral thing to do.

I know I would not sleep well if a family with a 12 year old raped and murdered ended up in the news knowing I could have prevented it.

Phobia
04-17-2005, 11:32 PM
Yes, I'm a liberal, but no matter how conservative you are you can't possibly think someone should be put to death for that, can you?

We shouldn't put ALL liberals to death, only the ones who drive pussymobiles.

Valiant
04-17-2005, 11:33 PM
hi, i am JERONIMO LEE FISHER, I am 20 and raped a girl and now hiding from the law..

The point is, there are a shit load of these people under 25 just in kansas that commited henious acts with children...


Personaly any of these people once released should either have a permant tracking chasity belt or ankle bracelet, or have their nuts and dick chopped off...

Phobia
04-17-2005, 11:34 PM
I didn't say he was obligated, I stated it would be the moral thing to do.

I know I would not sleep well if a family with a 12 year old raped and murdered ended up in the news knowing I could have prevented it.

Actually you couldn't have prevented it. The law prevents you from taking care of it. Your hands are tied.

Simplex3
04-17-2005, 11:34 PM
Fraz, I totally agree with you if you're talking about child molestation, but there's no way to know if that's what we're talking about at all. Actually, we know that he either encouraged a child to prostitute him/herself, or he filmed/photgraphed a sexual act of someone underage. That's all we know.
Or he pled down.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:34 PM
Sexual offenders don't become offenders when the get old.

We have one in Jackson Co. Jail right now that is merely 17 and has a diary of over 20 children he has molested.

Well, I believe that. But given the offense here and the age of the offender, I think it's just as likley (if not more so) that he had a just-underage girlfriend and he got her on film.

The bottom line is that there's just no way to know exactly what he did without asking him. Assuming he won't tell you (and he might, I don't know), you really have only two choices:

1. "Better safe than sorry." (move the hell out).
2. "I'm not living scared." (stay put and take a few precautions that everyone should be taking anyway)

Personally, I'd be inclined to do number two. But that's just me.

Chiefs Pantalones
04-17-2005, 11:34 PM
We shouldn't put ALL liberals to death, only the ones who drive pussymobiles.

Who drives a Beetle? Jcroft?

CosmicPal
04-17-2005, 11:35 PM
My wife says we are moving! arggh

Move?

Where?

You and your family might as well move to the desert or go find a uninhabited tropical island or live on either one of the poles 'cause the simple fact is- if you live in any major US city, you are likely living with a neighbor and likely more who has had a criminal past of some kind.

This guy is only 20 fuggen years old- he's probably never learned how to formulate an ongoing relationship or bond with the opposite sex; he's probably never learned how to be responsible or held a job for more than a month. It's not like he's some pot-bellied 40-something male who likes the little girls or something....

This is precisely what is wrong with our society- everyone is too quick to judge others and instead of offering rehabilitation- they want them incarcerated for life or even given the chair for something that may have been nothing more than a dumb mistake. Lighten up.

Valiant
04-17-2005, 11:35 PM
Just to clear this up, before we totally crucify this neighbor... is it possible that this crime would have simply been a 18 year old guy sleeping with a 17 year old girl or something like that? That is a possibility here isn't it...


no, you get two or three years difference at 18 i believe.. There is a website that shows each state... Found it from my criminal law courses i used to take...

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:35 PM
There is a huge difference in living in a large building thousands of miles away from the homes of possible terrorists and living only two houses away from a child molester.

Right, because it's impossible that there are terrorists in NYC.

Point is, there's just as good a chance you're going to have a sex offender (previously prosecuted or not) in the neighborhood you move to as there is you've got one where you're at now. They're everywhere, just like terrorists.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:37 PM
We shouldn't put ALL liberals to death, only the ones who drive pussymobiles.

Hmm, I've got a 220hp Jetta GLi with 19" rims.

I'm not sure what you drive, but I'm willing to race you. :)

Yes, it's a pussymobile -- I get pussy with it all the time. ;)

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:37 PM
Move?

Where?

You and your family might as well move to the desert or go find a uninhabited tropical island or live on either one of the poles 'cause the simple fact is- if you live in any major US city, you are likely living with a neighbor and likely more who has had a criminal past of some kind.

This guy is only 20 fuggen years old- he's probably never learned how to formulate an ongoing relationship or bond with the opposite sex; he's probably never learned how to be responsible or held a job for more than a month. It's not like he's some pot-bellied 40-something male who likes the little girls or something....

This is precisely what is wrong with our society- everyone is too quick to judge others and instead of offering rehabilitation- they want them incarcerated for life or even given the chair for something that may have been nothing more than a dumb mistake. Lighten up.
Where do pot-bellied 40 something sexual offenders come from? They grow up from the person you described above.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:38 PM
Or he pled down.

Yeah, I guess that's possible. But the fact remains, there's just no way to know exactly what he did.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:38 PM
Who drives a Beetle? Jcroft?

I don't drive a Beetle.

Scorp
04-17-2005, 11:39 PM
here is the fu*kers info. Does he look like he had an under aged girlfriend to you? :shake:

http://www.burnspot.com/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10009/molestersheet.jpg

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:39 PM
Move?

Where?

You and your family might as well move to the desert or go find a uninhabited tropical island or live on either one of the poles 'cause the simple fact is- if you live in any major US city, you are likely living with a neighbor and likely more who has had a criminal past of some kind.

This guy is only 20 fuggen years old- he's probably never learned how to formulate an ongoing relationship or bond with the opposite sex; he's probably never learned how to be responsible or held a job for more than a month. It's not like he's some pot-bellied 40-something male who likes the little girls or something....

This is precisely what is wrong with our society- everyone is too quick to judge others and instead of offering rehabilitation- they want them incarcerated for life or even given the chair for something that may have been nothing more than a dumb mistake. Lighten up.

Amen, brother, amen.

Unless we know for sure what this guy did, it's totally unfair to call him a child molester.

wazu
04-17-2005, 11:39 PM
Point is, there's just as good a chance you're going to have a sex offender (previously prosecuted or not) in the neighborhood you move to as there is you've got one where you're at now. They're everywhere, just like terrorists.

Your first point is good, that sex offenders are everywhere, but then you go and totally destroy your argument by saying they are "everywhere" just like terrorists. Compare the number of sex offenders in Kansas and Missouri prisons to the number of people in Missouri and Kansas who have been jailed for acts of terrorism. Terrorists aren't "everywhere". Although this totally deviates from the point of this thread, I just couldn't let this statement go.

Valiant
04-17-2005, 11:40 PM
Possibly, he could have filmed his girl. but he could have plead down to a lesser crime, to keep him out of jail...


Funny you can legally **** a 17 year old at any age...



you just cant film it...

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:40 PM
Actually you couldn't have prevented it. The law prevents you from taking care of it. Your hands are tied.
I disagree. I know I would feel partially responsible if I knew the possibility existed and something happened.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:40 PM
here is the fu*kers info. Does he look like he had an under aged girlfriend to you? :shake:

http://www.burnspot.com/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10009/molestersheet.jpg

Yeah, a picture is worth a thousand words, right? Hey, post your pic and let's see if we think you look like a sex offender. It'll be fun!

tk13
04-17-2005, 11:41 PM
Where do pot-bellied 40 something sexual offenders come from? They grow up from the person you described above.
Yeah, and there are probably a lot of people from that who've actually grown up and become productive citizens and had strong relationships too though...

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:41 PM
Amen, brother, amen.

Unless we know for sure what this guy did, it's totally unfair to call him a child molester.
So we call him a sexual exploiter of children?
That is somehow a better name?

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:42 PM
Your first point is good, that sex offenders are everywhere, but then you go and totally destroy your argument by saying they are "everywhere" just like terrorists. Compare the number of sex offenders in Kansas and Missouri prisons to the number of people in Missouri and Kansas who have been jailed for acts of terrorism. Terrorists aren't "everywhere". Although this totally deviates from the point of this thread, I just couldn't let this statement go.

Okay, I can live with the correction. I think my point remains in tact. Anywhere you go, you have to be street smart, whether it be about terrorism or sex offenses. There is no truly safe place on earth. All you can really do is be aware and hope for the best.

Chiefs Pantalones
04-17-2005, 11:42 PM
I don't drive a Beetle.

Ok, nevermind.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:44 PM
I disagree. I know I would feel partially responsible if I knew the possibility existed and something happened.

The possibility <em>always</em> exists. One might even be able to make the argument that just because there is a previous offender in your neighborhood doesn't make it any more likey that you child is going to get abused (I'm not going to make that argument, but I bet it could be made).

Freekofnature
04-17-2005, 11:45 PM
Damn no wonder why criminals cant be rehabilitated into society too well.

I understand everyone's fear because I would have them to

but if the criminal is really wanting to reform or is already reformed that would suck.

What can you trust in this world?

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:45 PM
So we call him a sexual exploiter of children?
That is somehow a better name?

You call him what he is -- someone who has been charged with Exploitation of a Child. That's all you know. Anything else is an assumption or interpolation of the facts.

Frazod
04-17-2005, 11:45 PM
Fraz, I totally agree with you if you're talking about child molestation, but there's no way to know if that's what we're talking about at all. Actually, we know that he either encouraged a child to prostitute him/herself, or he filmed/photgraphed a sexual act of someone underage. That's all we know.

Given that, it's quite possible that he took some nudie pics of him and his 17 year old girlfriend when he was 18. Should he be locked up forever?

Yes, I'm a liberal, but no matter how conservative you are you can't possibly think someone should be put to death for that, can you?

Of course not. There's nothing wrong with an an 18 year old having consentual sex with a girl who is just a couple of years younger. That's not what I'm talking about. And certainly an adult having sex with a younger teen past puberty who is already sexually active and actively consents in, solicits or encourages the encounter shouldn't warrant such a harsh punishment (it's not smart or appropriate, but also not the end of the world). That's not the kind of thing I'm talking about, either.

The molestation of anyone from an infant to a pre-pubescent teen is inexcusable. The age or circumstances of the molester shouldn't matter at all in these situations. There is nothing that can justify that shit away.

Of course, were it my kids, and some registered offender moves next door, I would have no choice but to assume the worst.

I wonder if the sexual offender website give any details as to the nature of the crime. If not, it should.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:46 PM
What can you trust in this world?

You can trust your parenting skills.

It won't protect you in EVERY case, but it's the best you've got.

Scorp
04-17-2005, 11:47 PM
Move?

Where?

You and your family might as well move to the desert or go find a uninhabited tropical island or live on either one of the poles 'cause the simple fact is- if you live in any major US city, you are likely living with a neighbor and likely more who has had a criminal past of some kind.



I completely understand that........but it is different when he is in your backyard.

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:48 PM
You call him what he is -- someone who has been charged with Exploitation of a Child. That's all you know. Anything else is an assumption or interpolation of the facts.
So you do call him a sexual exploiter of children?

badgirl
04-17-2005, 11:48 PM
There are like 600 sex offender and child molesters in springfield, I saw where one child molester is registered across from the school, isn't there a law where they cannot be that close to a school, a middle school is what it is.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:49 PM
Of course not. There's nothing wrong with an an 18 year old having consentual sex with a girl who is just a couple of years younger. That's not what I'm talking about.


Actually, it might very well be exactly what we're talking about -- we don't know.


And certainly an adult having sex with a younger teen past puberty who is already sexually active and actively consents in, solicits or encourages the encounter shouldn't warrant such a harsh punishment (it's not smart or appropriate, but also not the end of the world).


I concur.


The molestation of anyone from an infant to a pre-pubescent teen is inexcusable. The age or circumstances of the molester shouldn't matter at all in these situations. There is nothing that can justify that shit away.


I agree 100%. But, there's just no way to know if that applies to the situation at hand.


Of course, were it my kids, and some registered offender moves next door, I would have no choice but to assume the worst.


It's certainly fair to prepare for the worst, but I don't think you can fairly assume the guy is a total freak and treat him as such, because you really don't know.


I wonder if the sexual offender website give any details as to the nature of the crime. If not, it should.

I don't know, but I doubt it. It sure would be nice to know, though. The various charges related are so non-descript. It's very hard to know if this guy is a total freak or just a guy who got caught doing something sort of naughty with his girlfriend.

CosmicPal
04-17-2005, 11:50 PM
Where do pot-bellied 40 something sexual offenders come from? They grow up from the person you described above.

Are you fuggen serious?

Have you never commited a crime? Ever? I bet you an overwhelming majority of peeps on ChiefsPlanet has commited a crime of some kind of nature. When you were a teenager, and you walked into Best Buy 'cause you just had to have the latest Metallica CD and you didn't have any money, but you decided to take one instead- and so you walk out with it under your jacket. You didn't get caught. But, did you turn out to be a career criminal? No, you did not.

Guys who are in their 40's, 50's, 60's and are performing child prostitution are doing it 'cause they were not likely to have had been busted for it early on- or maybe they were and the justice didn't fit the crime or the crime itself is exciting and challenging in it's own merit.

My problem is- what are we doing throwing someone like this behind bars for a few days? Nothing! Absolutely nothing! They don't learn their mistake by being placed behind bars for a few days only to be released and make a couple of thousand dollars a week doing the same sh*t over again. It's perfectly fine for society to release a rapist after 48 hours, but a pothead must serve the 25 years. But, as soon as the rapist moves next door- everyone wants the rapist behind bars for life.

George Carlin is right- we all want more prisons, we all yell and scream "WE WANT MORE PRISONS! But, not in my backyard."

wazu
04-17-2005, 11:50 PM
Okay, I can live with the correction. I think my point remains in tact. Anywhere you go, you have to be street smart, whether it be about terrorism or sex offenses. There is no truly safe place on earth. All you can really do is be aware and hope for the best.

Okay, but now I have to disagree with the last statement in this post. The flier idea goes beyond just "being aware" and actively tries to pressure the sex offender into leaving the community.

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:50 PM
The possibility <em>always</em> exists. One might even be able to make the argument that just because there is a previous offender in your neighborhood doesn't make it any more likey that you child is going to get abused (I'm not going to make that argument, but I bet it could be made).
You are arguing that since you know it rains, it might one day flood. I am stating that living under a dam with cracks, the reality of the flood occuring is a great deal higher. And selling my home to a family with a kid without telling them about that dam would weigh on my conscience, regardless of what resources they had available.

I challenge anyone with kids to look at a child and state they would feel otherwise.

Frazod
04-17-2005, 11:51 PM
Damn no wonder why criminals cant be rehabilitated into society too well.

I understand everyone's fear because I would have them to

but if the criminal is really wanting to reform or is already reformed that would suck.

What can you trust in this world?

You can generally trust that a sexual predator will eventually strike again. And many victims are so irreparably damaged by the experience that they grow up to be molesters themselves, so the shit is passed on to future generations of victims and abusers.

And WANTING to quit something ain't the same as quitting. I want to quit smoking, yet there's a cigarette burning in the ashtray as I write this. Addictive behavior is a bitch to deal with.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:51 PM
So you do call him a sexual exploiter of children?

Sure, as long as, by that, you mean someone who either encourcouraged prositution of an underage person, or someone who filmed/photographed an underage person engaged in a sex act.

This is precisley the problem -- if you tell most people that the guy is a "sexual exploiter of children," they're going to assume he had sex with someone underage, when he very well may not have.

jettio
04-17-2005, 11:52 PM
here is the fu*kers info. Does he look like he had an under aged girlfriend to you? :shake:

http://www.burnspot.com/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10009/molestersheet.jpg

His future is so bright, ought to be wearing shades.

Probably downloaded something illegal from a website.

Whatever you do don't give him your e-mail address.

el borracho
04-17-2005, 11:52 PM
I would not advise talking to him directly. What good would it do? Would you believe him if he told you his offense was something minor (younger girlfriend, for example) or would you assume he was lying? At best he is not dangerous but you don't believe him. At worst he is dangerous and you and your family become a target of his anger. Most 20 year olds move around fairly frequently. I would just be extra mindful of my kids and hope that he moves on in the near future. Maybe the fliers idea would speed up the process. But I think I would give it time to occur naturally before going that route.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:53 PM
Okay, but now I have to disagree with the last statement in this post. The flier idea goes beyond just "being aware" and actively tries to pressure the sex offender into leaving the community.

I like the flyer idea (I like it even better when it's spelled correctly. :) ) I've got no problem with that, although if I did it, I'd try to make sure he didn't know WHO posted the flyers. I'd also make sure that the flyers were very accurate and didn't make the assuptions people are making in this thread. If you make a flyer that says there is a child molester in your neighborhood, you stand to be sued for libel.

Scorp
04-17-2005, 11:54 PM
The flier idea goes beyond just "being aware" and actively tries to pressure the sex offender into leaving the community.


I don't think so. It just makes damn sure every parent in the community knows what he did and where he lives. It is arming us parents with information we need to protect our kids.

wazu
04-17-2005, 11:55 PM
Yeah, a picture is worth a thousand words, right? Hey, post your pic and let's see if we think you look like a sex offender. It'll be fun!

I award you 5 points for this response.

Frazod
04-17-2005, 11:55 PM
His future is so bright, ought to be wearing shades.

Probably downloaded something illegal from a website.

Whatever you do don't give him your e-mail address.

And what if he didn't? What if he tried to get some preschooler to give him a blowjob? You don't know anymore than I did. But if it's YOUR KIDS who's lives/well-being are on the line, you have to assume the worst.

Would you want him living next door TO YOU?

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:55 PM
Are you fuggen serious?

Have you never commited a crime? Ever? I bet you an overwhelming majority of peeps on ChiefsPlanet has commited a crime of some kind of nature. When you were a teenager, and you walked into Best Buy 'cause you just had to have the latest Metallica CD and you didn't have any money, but you decided to take one instead- and so you walk out with it under your jacket. You didn't get caught. But, did you turn out to be a career criminal? No, you did not.

Guys who are in their 40's, 50's, 60's and are performing child prostitution are doing it 'cause they were not likely to have had been busted for it early on- or maybe they were and the justice didn't fit the crime or the crime itself is exciting and challenging in it's own merit.

My problem is- what are we doing throwing someone like this behind bars for a few days? Nothing! Absolutely nothing! They don't learn their mistake by being placed behind bars for a few days only to be released and make a couple of thousand dollars a week doing the same sh*t over again. It's perfectly fine for society to release a rapist after 48 hours, but a pothead must serve the 25 years. But, as soon as the rapist moves next door- everyone wants the rapist behind bars for life.

George Carlin is right- we all want more prisons, we all yell and scream "WE WANT MORE PRISONS! But, not in my backyard."
He was charged with a felony, he wasn't behind bars just "a few days".

Yes, I have committed a crime, several in fact - and I spent time in a county jail for them as well. I will let you know right now that not only did I get away with 99.8% of the crimes I committed, but when I was busted, I didn't spend a day in jail until I was finally charged and convicted 4 times. And I still pled down and wasn't charged with a felony - even though more than 25,000.00 worth of stolen goods was found.

This "poor society doesn't stand a chance" garbage is for the birds. I guarantee that 90% of the felons in prison have prior convictions of some sort, probably more. I also guarantee that same number either pled down or fought their cases in court and lost.

Fact, most people out of prison have committed MULTIPLE crimes and were not found guilty of the original charges stuck on them.

big nasty kcnut
04-17-2005, 11:55 PM
I'd get the neighborhood together and form a watch group to make sure he accounted for all the time he at or around his house.

KCWolfman
04-17-2005, 11:56 PM
Sure, as long as, by that, you mean someone who either encourcouraged prositution of an underage person, or someone who filmed/photographed an underage person engaged in a sex act.

This is precisley the problem -- if you tell most people that the guy is a "sexual exploiter of children," they're going to assume he had sex with someone underage, when he very well may not have.
I am betting you don't have kids, right?

One doesn't tell a child "That is a gun, but chances are it isn't loaded."

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:56 PM
You are arguing that since you know it rains, it might one day flood. I am stating that living under a dam with cracks, the reality of the flood occuring is a great deal higher. And selling my home to a family with a kid without telling them about that dam would weigh on my conscience, regardless of what resources they had available.

I challenge anyone with kids to look at a child and state they would feel otherwise.

I agree with that. I wouldn't want to sell to someone without them knowing why. I'm sure the chances of something happeneing to your child are higher when there is a registered offender in the neighborhood. But, the chance is real and significant anywhere.

It's like saying that just because an accident happened yesterday at this intersection means that the next intersection is totally safe. There may be some reason it's more likley at the first intersection, but you better be paying attention at the second intersection, too, or you're likley to die a quick death.

CosmicPal
04-17-2005, 11:57 PM
I like the flyer idea (I like it even better when it's spelled correctly. :) ) I've got no problem with that, although if I did it, I'd try to make sure he didn't know WHO posted the flyers. I'd also make sure that the flyers were very accurate and didn't make the assuptions people are making in this thread. If you make a flyer that says there is a child molester in your neighborhood, you stand to be sued for libel.

Maybe he's on ChiefsPlanet right now. :eek: Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

Nah, nevah mind- only a Raiders fan could be so low as to dabble in child prostitution.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:58 PM
You can generally trust that a sexual predator will eventually strike again.

Probably so. But is this guy a "sexual preadtor?" If he filmed his 17 year old girlfriend, I'd say that doesn't make him one. We don't really know if he has displayed any predatory behavior in the past or not.

jcroft
04-17-2005, 11:59 PM
I am betting you don't have kids, right?

One doesn't tell a child "That is a gun, but chances are it isn't loaded."

I've got a 10 year old daughter. She's cute as hell and probably a prime target.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:00 AM
Probably so. But is this guy a "sexual preadtor?" If he filmed his 17 year old girlfriend, I'd say that doesn't make him one. We don't really know if he has displayed any predatory behavior in the past or not.
There's only one bullet in the gun. Chances are it won't be in the chamber when I pull the trigger.

Frazod
04-18-2005, 12:00 AM
Probably so. But is this guy a "sexual preadtor?" If he filmed his 17 year old girlfriend, I'd say that doesn't make him one. We don't really know if he has displayed any predatory behavior in the past or not.

Granted, I'm not exactly up on Kansas law. But would that even be prosecuted as a felony?

And again, we don't know what he did. It is prudent to assume that he's a danger (until/unless facts are learned otherwise).

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:01 AM
Granted, I'm not exactly up on Kansas law. But would that even be prosecuted as a felony?

And again, we don't know what he did. It is prudent to assume that he's a danger (until/unless facts are learned otherwise).
Yup. Most black bears don't attack humans, that doesn't mean I am going up to pet one.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:01 AM
And what if he didn't? What if he tried to get some preschooler to give him a blowjob? You don't know anymore than I did. But if it's YOUR KIDS who's lives/well-being are on the line, you have to assume the worst.

Would you want him living next door TO YOU?

The bottom line is that we just don't know. As long as we don't know, it's unfair to the dude to label him something he may not be. It's also unfair to your family to assume he's totally safe.

The solution has to fall in between. You have to be protective of your family without treating the kid like some kind of serial killer when you have no evidence that he is such a beast.

Frazod
04-18-2005, 12:02 AM
The bottom line is that we just don't know. As long as we don't know, it's unfair to the dude to label him something he may not be. It's also unfair to your family to assume he's totally safe.

The solution has to fall in between. You have to be protective of your family without treating the kid like some kind of serial killer when you have no evidence that he is such a beast.

If it's my kids, I don't give a f#ck about what's unfair to him. And nothing will make me.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:02 AM
There's only one bullet in the gun. Chances are it won't be in the chamber when I pull the trigger.

Like I said, you should abbsolutley protect your family. You just can't discriminate aganist someone as if he was something he may or may not be in the process.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:03 AM
Granted, I'm not exactly up on Kansas law. But would that even be prosecuted as a felony?

And again, we don't know what he did. It is prudent to assume that he's a danger (until/unless facts are learned otherwise).

I don't know, either, if that would be prosecuted as a felony. I'm not that up on it either. I only know what's been posted in this thread.

I think it's prudent to assume he could pose a risk, but I think it's prudent to assume that of nearly anyone.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:04 AM
Like I said, you should abbsolutley protect your family. You just can't discriminate aganist someone as if he was something he may or may not be in the process.
Sure I can. He may not like it, but I most certainly can as long as I don't commit a crime myself when I do so.

wazu
04-18-2005, 12:04 AM
I don't think so. It just makes damn sure every parent in the community knows what he did and where he lives. It is arming us parents with information we need to protect our kids.

That's what I mean. I don't know what your area is like, but if in my neighborhood this were to happen, the community pressure would build in a hurry. It would be like that Twilight Zone, "The Monsters on Maple Steet".

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:04 AM
If it's my kids, I don't give a f#ck about what's unfair to him. And nothing will make me.
Amen!

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:04 AM
Yup. Most black bears don't attack humans, that doesn't mean I am going up to pet one.

And I never suggested you ought to pet him. I suggested you keep an eye on him and stay of out his way.

Most black bears don't attack humans, so I'm sure as hell not going to shoot one just because it's happened before.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:05 AM
Sure I can. He may not like it, but I most certainly can as long as I don't commit a crime myself when I do so.

If you call him a child molestor or anything of the sort, you're committing a crime -- slander.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:05 AM
That's what I mean. I don't know what your area is like, but if in my neighborhood this were to happen, the community pressure would build in a hurry. It would be like that Twilight Zone, "The Monsters on Maple Steet".
One of my favorite episodes, but there is a huge difference between flying rumors and innuendo and a police blotter with actual data.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:06 AM
If you call him a child molestor or anything of the sort, you're committing a crime -- slander.
And if I stated he spent time in prison for sexual explotation of children, I would be 100% accurate.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:06 AM
One of my favorite episodes, but there is a huge difference between flying rumors and innuendo and a police blotter with actual data.

Actual data that you have no access to. You know data exists, but you have no idea what it says.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:07 AM
And if I stated he spent time in prison for sexual explotation of children, I would be 100% accurate.

Exactly -- which is why I said that's exactly what you should do in the flyers. Are we really disagreeing here?

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:07 AM
Actually data that you have no access to. You know data exists, but you have no idea what it says.
Yes, you do. Sexual offenders are required to register with 100% public access to the crime in which they committed.

"It says" sexual explotation of a child.

Frazod
04-18-2005, 12:08 AM
Yes, you do. Sexual offenders are required to register with 100% public access to the crime in which they committed.

"It says" sexual explotation of a child.

It really wish it gave the age of the victim (or at least a range, like under the age of ___). That makes a world of difference here.

wazu
04-18-2005, 12:09 AM
One of my favorite episodes, but there is a huge difference between flying rumors and innuendo and a police blotter with actual data.

I know. I'm just illustrating that we all know each other, and almost all of us have young children. Giving this guy a fair chance would not be high on our list of priorities.

tk13
04-18-2005, 12:09 AM
He was charged with a felony, he wasn't behind bars just "a few days".

Yes, I have committed a crime, several in fact - and I spent time in a county jail for them as well. I will let you know right now that not only did I get away with 99.8% of the crimes I committed, but when I was busted, I didn't spend a day in jail until I was finally charged and convicted 4 times. And I still pled down and wasn't charged with a felony - even though more than 25,000.00 worth of stolen goods was found.

This "poor society doesn't stand a chance" garbage is for the birds. I guarantee that 90% of the felons in prison have prior convictions of some sort, probably more. I also guarantee that same number either pled down or fought their cases in court and lost.

Fact, most people out of prison have committed MULTIPLE crimes and were not found guilty of the original charges stuck on them.
So should we put up fliers in your neighborhood saying that there's a convicted thief in the area?....

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:10 AM
"It says" sexual explotation of a child.

Beut you don't really know what that means, exactly. It's a shame the names of the charges are so non-descript.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:11 AM
It really wish it gave the age of the victim (or at least a range, like under the age of ___). That makes a world of difference here.

I agree.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:12 AM
It really wish it gave the age of the victim (or at least a range, like under the age of ___). That makes a world of difference here.
It wouldn't be that hard to find out.

I would start with the Washburn newspapers and Topeka Capital-Journal as I have alread discovered he was a graduate of the Washburn Rural High School of the class of 2003

wazu
04-18-2005, 12:12 AM
It really wish it gave the age of the victim (or at least a range, like under the age of ___). That makes a world of difference here.

Just pencil in "6" and act accordingly. That should ensure you don't underreact.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:13 AM
So should we put up fliers in your neighborhood saying that there's a convicted thief in the area?....
I couldn't deny said flyers, now could I?

In fact, I am straightforward about my crimes and have no problem discussing them with individuals face to face.

Frazod
04-18-2005, 12:15 AM
It wouldn't be that hard to find out.

I would start with the Washburn newspapers and Topeka Capital-Journal as I have alread discovered he was a graduate of the Washburn Rural High School of the class of 2003
Good idea - Scorp should do this.

If I found out this guy got nailed because he was drunk at a party and nailed some slut who later turned out to be a fully-endowed 14 year old (who naturally didn't give her age at the time), I'd sleep a lot easier.

Scorp
04-18-2005, 12:15 AM
I thank you all for your inputs. You have given me alot to think about. It is just really freaky when a person like this is in YOUR backyard.

wazu
04-18-2005, 12:17 AM
Good idea - Scorp should do this.

If I fould out this guy got nailed because he was drunk at a party and nailed some slut who later turned out to be a fully-endowed 14 year old (who naturally didn't give her age at the time), I'd sleep a lot easier.

Although that's kind of a reach from "enticing into prostitution" or filming it. (As the crime's description states.)

CosmicPal
04-18-2005, 12:17 AM
Beut you don't really know what that means, exactly. It's a shame the names of the charges are so non-descript.

Posts #10 and #18 both give you descriptions of what it means:

Sexual Exploitation
Includes (a) allowing, permitting, or encouraging a child to engage in prostitution by any person; or (b) allowing, permitting, encouraging, or engaging in the obscene or pornographic photographing, filming, or depicting of a child by any person. RCW 26.44.020 (14)

That's not good.

I'd keep your kids away from your neighbor, and I think you have the right to let the neighbors who have children know.

Frazod
04-18-2005, 12:17 AM
I thank you all for your inputs. You have given me alot to think about. It is just really freaky when a person like this is in YOUR backyard.

Best of luck to you. I hope no harm befalls your family.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:18 AM
I would start with the Washburn newspapers

Don't bother looking there. I went to WU and worked there for four years. That paper (www.washburnreview.com) is complety worthless. Comes out once a week and never has anything relelvant to say. :)

tk13
04-18-2005, 12:18 AM
I couldn't deny said flyers, now could I?

In fact, I am straightforward about my crimes and have no problem discussing them with individuals face to face.
Well I'm just generating discussion, I don't blame anybody for being very protective in this particular situation, but I don't know... I guess I'm a bit surprised that as someone who made some mistakes then made a better life for himself (which is highly commendable), that you seem to think that all criminals are criminals and they cannot be changed...

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:19 AM
Good idea - Scorp should do this.

If I found out this guy got nailed because he was drunk at a party and nailed some slut who later turned out to be a fully-endowed 14 year old (who naturally didn't give her age at the time), I'd sleep a lot easier.

It's definitely worth investigating. I'm not sure what yu'll be able to find, but having lived in Topeka for 10 years and having worked at the Capital-Journal for a couple of those, I can tell you that the website (cjonline.com) is a pretty good one and has a decent search mechanisim.

Frazod
04-18-2005, 12:19 AM
Don't bother looking there. I went to WU and worked there for four years. That paper (www.washburnreview.com (http://www.washburnreview.com)) is complety worthless. Comes out once a week and never has anything relelvant to say. :)

Perhaps he could check with the local police. The detective who busted the guy would be a good source of info - assuming he's even allowed to discuss it.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:19 AM
Also note there is more you can do if you pass laws locally requiring neighborhood notification of said offenders. It has been passed in several areas.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:20 AM
Well I'm just generating discussion, I don't blame anybody for being very protective in this particular situation, but I don't know... I guess I'm a bit surprised that as someone who made some mistakes then made a better life for himself (which is highly commendable), that you seem to think that all criminals are criminals and they cannot be changed...
Well, therein is the issue. I never stated "all criminals". Sexual deviants will almost always be sexual deviants.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:20 AM
Although that's kind of a reach from "enticing into prostitution" or filming it. (As the crime's description states.)

True. But the point still remains. If he did film his 16 year old girlfriend, or even encourage her to **** his buddy for $100, I'd still sleep a lot easier.

wazu
04-18-2005, 12:21 AM
Well I'm just generating discussion, I don't blame anybody for being very protective in this particular situation, but I don't know... I guess I'm a bit surprised that as someone who made some mistakes then made a better life for himself (which is highly commendable), that you seem to think that all criminals are criminals and they cannot be changed...

There's a huge difference between worrying that my neighbor might steal my car, and worrying that they might rape my child.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:22 AM
Posts #10 and #18 both give you descriptions of what it means:


I know, but the possibilities within this are pretty broad. If he pimped out his 5 year old sister, I'm concerned. If he used his digital camera to get some shots of his 17 year-old girlfriend cooch, I'm not.


I'd keep your kids away from your neighbor, and I think you have the right to let the neighbors who have children know.

I agree with this completley. And I've not said anythign in this thread that would go aganist that.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:23 AM
Perhaps he could check with the local police. The detective who busted the guy would be a good source of info - assuming he's even allowed to discuss it.

I doubt he is, but it couldn't hurt to check.

Frazod
04-18-2005, 12:23 AM
There's a huge difference between worrying that my neighbor might steal my car, and worrying that they might rape my child.

No shit. Short of killing a child, nothing is worse.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:24 AM
Well, therein is the issue. I never stated "all criminals". Sexual deviants will almost always be sexual deviants.

I agree with this, I just don't think that there's any way to know this guy is a sexual deviant. Like I said, getting a few snapshots of his girlfriend's punanny doesn't make him a deviant, in my opinion.

Frazod
04-18-2005, 12:24 AM
I doubt he is, but it couldn't hurt to check.

He could probably nod or shake his head in answer to the question "should I be worried?", though.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:25 AM
No shit. Short of killing a child, nothing is worse.

Honestly, I think raping is actually worse than killing. But that's another thread. :)

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:25 AM
He could probably nod or shake his head in answer to the question "should I be worried?", though.

Probably not legally, but that doesn't mean he won't. I'd give it a shot.

Frazod
04-18-2005, 12:26 AM
Honestly, I think raping is actually worse than killing. But that's another thread. :)

If the victim grows up to be a molester, you're right.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:27 AM
Scorp, for 17.50 you can find out this person's entire record

Kansas Criminal History Check (http://www.accesskansas.org/kbi/criminalhistory/index.shtml)

Scorp
04-18-2005, 12:28 AM
Scorp, for 17.50 you can find out this person's entire record

Kansas Criminal History Check (http://www.accesskansas.org/kbi/criminalhistory/index.shtml)


Yes I plan on doing that......but don't know if i will get anymore info than I already know. Thanks though.

wazu
04-18-2005, 12:29 AM
Scorp, for 17.50 you can find out this person's entire record

Kansas Criminal History Check (http://www.accesskansas.org/kbi/criminalhistory/index.shtml)

Missouri needs to get all these neat websites put together.

wazu
04-18-2005, 12:32 AM
Honestly, I think raping is actually worse than killing. But that's another thread. :)

I used to think that. Then I met someone who was raped by her stepfather while growing up, and actually testified to put him behind bars. I don't know how she did it, but she somehow overcame it to lead a quality life. So in her case, killing would have been much worse. It's amazing the inner strength that some people have.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:33 AM
Well, I'm out. Been a good discussion, guys. Thanks!

Scorp, I hope everything goes well. I really think the best thing you can do is make sure you kids know how to deal with strangers. I'm definitely in favor of the flyer idea, too. Be careful, and be safe. GOod luck.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:33 AM
I used to think that. Then I met someone who was raped by her stepfather while growing up. I don't know how she did it, but she somehow overcame it to lead a quality life. So in her case, killing would have been much worse. It's amazing the inner strength that some people have.

That's awesome. Unfortanley, most of the victims I've known haven't been that way. Nice to hear it can happen, though.

tk13
04-18-2005, 12:34 AM
There's a huge difference between worrying that my neighbor might steal my car, and worrying that they might rape my child.
I never said that wasn't the case. I said I understand the particular frustration with this situation, I was just talking about human nature in general...

Honestly, I don't think the odds are even with my arguments, but I always try to do my best to look at things from every possible angle. I knew several others would take the "he's definitely a child molester" aspect of it so I didn't really go that route. One of my best friends in high school dated a girl three years younger than him (18 and 15ish I believe). They were perfectly normal people, and all these years later are now married, she was a very smart, attractive, mature girl for her age and she was probably better for him than most of the girls that were in our senior class (they're married now so I guess so). He was a good guy so I don't think he ever did anything overtly sexual, but what if there was some case out there where that happened and some guy was rung up on exploiting a child, then everywhere he goes for eternity, people are putting fliers up and people from all over every neighborhood he lives in are coming to his house and pressuring him to leave and making his life miserable. I'm not saying this is the case here, but if that happened, is that fair? I don't know the answer to that, I think it is an interesting discussion and it'd make a good story on 60 minutes or something that like though...

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:36 AM
what if there was some case out there where that happened and some guy was rung up on exploiting a child, then everywhere he goes for eternity, people are putting fliers up and people from all over every neighborhood he lives in are coming to his house and pressuring him to leave and making his life miserable. I'm not saying this is the case here, but if that happened, is that fair? I don't know the answer to that, I think it is an interesting discussion and it'd make a good story on 60 minutes or something that like though...

I actually know a guy this happened to, which is probably part of the reason I've reacted the way I have here. The guy I know was a high school senior and was dating a high school sophomore. He (stupidly) cheated on her and she found out. She told her folks, and her folks nailed him for molestation.

The guy was an idiot and a cheater, but he wasn't a sexual preadator.

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:38 AM
I never said that wasn't the case. I said I understand the particular frustration with this situation, I was just talking about human nature in general...

Honestly, I don't think the odds are even with my arguments, but I always try to do my best to look at things from every possible angle. I knew several others would take the "he's definitely a child molester" aspect of it so I didn't really go that route. One of my best friends in high school dated a girl three years younger than him (18 and 15ish I believe). They were perfectly normal people, and all these years later are now married, she was a very smart, attractive, mature girl for her age and she was probably better for him than most of the girls that were in our senior class. He was a good guy so I don't think he ever did anything overtly sexual, but what if there was some case out there where that happened and some guy was rung up on exploiting a child, then everywhere he goes for eternity, people are putting fliers up and people from all over every neighborhood he lives in are coming to his house and pressuring him to leave and making his life miserable. I'm not saying this is the case here, but if that happened, is that fair? I don't know the answer to that, I think it is an interesting discussion and it'd make a good story on 60 minutes or something that like though...

It is the horns of a dilemma. If you get the chance, check out The Woodsman. Kevin Bacon plays a sexual offender released from prison and trying desperately to assume himself back into society.

Is it fair? Nope. Does it matter to me as much as my kids do? Hell, no.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 12:41 AM
Is it fair? Nope. Does it matter to me as much as my kids do? Hell, no.

Point well taken.

Okay, I'm really out now. Bye, all. :)

Rausch
04-18-2005, 12:49 AM
BTW, in Missouri you MUST register yourself as a sex offender, if convited, for anything from "mooning" someone to urinating in public...

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 12:53 AM
BTW, in Missouri you MUST register yourself as a sex offender, if convited, for anything from "mooning" someone to urinating in public...
Kansas is definitely more explicit. Nothing about mooning or urinating. Sexual offenders only and a sexual offender is defined as 'A “sex offender” is any person who, on or after July 1, 1993, is convicted of any sexually violent crime.':

1. WHO IS REQUIRED TO REGISTER?

The following offenders must register in Kansas:
(1) sex offenders;
(2) violent offenders;
(3) sexually violent predators;
(4) any person who, on or after July 1, 1993, is convicted of any of the following offenses, when the victim is under 18:
(a) kidnapping, except by a parent;
(b) aggravated kidnapping; or
(c) criminal restraint;
(5) any person convicted of any of the following offenses of criminal sexual conduct if one of the parties involved is under 18:
(a) adultery;
(b) criminal sodomy;
(c) promoting prostitution;
(d) patronizing a prostitute;
(e) lewd and lascivious behavior; or
(f) unlawful sexual relations;
(6) any person who is a resident of Kansas and who has been required to register under any federal, military, or other state’s law;
(7) any person who has been convicted of an offense in effect at any time prior to July 1, 1993, that is comparable to any offense listed in (4) or (5) above, or any federal, military, or other state conviction for an offense that under the laws of Kansas would be an offense listed in (4) or (5) above; or
(8) any person who has been convicted of an attempt, conspiracy, or criminal solicitation of an offense listed in (4) or (5) above.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4902(a))

2. WHO IS A “SEX OFFENDER”?

A “sex offender” is any person who, on or after July 1, 1993, is convicted of any sexually violent crime.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4902(b))

3. WHO IS A “VIOLENT OFFENDER”?

A “violent offender” includes any person who, on or after July 1, 1993, is convicted of any of the following offenses:
(1) capital murder;
(2) murder in the first or second degree;
(3) voluntary manslaughter;
(4) involuntary manslaughter;
(5) any conviction for an offense in effect at any time prior to July 1, 1993, that is comparable to an offense listed in (1) through (4) above, or any federal, military, or other state conviction for an offense that under the laws of Kansas would be an offense listed in (1) through (4) above; or
(6) an attempt, conspiracy, or criminal solicitation of an offense listed in (1) through (4) above.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4902(d))

4. WHAT DOES “SEXUALLY VIOLENT CRIME” MEAN?

A “sexually violent crime” means:
(1) rape;
(2) indecent liberties with a minor;
(3) aggravated indecent liberties with a minor;
(4) criminal sodomy;
(5) aggravated criminal sodomy;
(6) indecent solicitation of a minor;
(7) aggravated indecent solicitation of a minor;
(8) sexual exploitation of a minor;
(9) sexual battery;
(10) aggravated sexual battery;
(11) aggravated incest;
(12) any conviction for an offense in effect at any time prior to July 1, 1993, that is comparable to a sexually violent crime listed in (1) through (11) above, or any federal, military, or other state conviction for an offense that under the laws of Kansas would be a sexually violent crime;
(13) an attempt, conspiracy, or criminal solicitation of a sexually violent crime; or
(14) any act that, at the time of sentencing for the offense, has been determined beyond a reasonable doubt to have been sexually motivated.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4902(c))

5. ARE JUVENILE OFFENDERS REQUIRED TO REGISTER?

Please contact the Kansas Bureau of Investigation or local law enforcement for information on juvenile offenders.

6. WHEN AND WHERE DOES AN OFFENDER REGISTER?

Offenders discharged or paroled from a prison, hospital, or other institution or facility must register prior to discharge, parole, or release.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4905(a)(1); §§ 22-4905(a)(2)(A)(i)-(ii))
Any offender who is released on probation, receives a suspended sentence, is sentenced to community corrections, or is released on postrelease supervision must register prior to release.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4905(b)(1); §§ 22-4905(b)(2)(A)(i)-(ii))
Within 10 days of the offender coming into any county in which he or she resides or is temporarily domiciled for more than 10 days, he or she must register with the sheriff of the county.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4904(a)(1))
An offender must also register in any state or county where he or she is employed, carries on a vocation, or is a student.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4904(G))

7. WHAT INFORMATION MUST AN OFFENDER PROVIDE AT THE TIME OF REGISTRATION?

The registration form must include the offender’s:
(1) name;
(2) date and place of birth;
(3) offense(s) committed;
(4) date of conviction(s);
(5) city or county of conviction(s);
(6) sex and age of victim(s);
(7) current address;
(8) social-security number;
(9) identifying characteristics such as race, skin tone, sex, age, hair and eye color, scars, tattoos, and blood type;
(10) occupation, name of employer, and place of employment;
(11) driver’s license and vehicle information;
(12) documentation of any treatment received for a mental abnormality or personality disorder;
(13) anticipated future residence;
(14) a photograph;
(15) fingerprints; and
(16) school address.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4907(a))

8. WHAT HAPPENS IF AN OFFENDER CHANGES HIS OR HER ADDRESS OR OTHER REGISTRATION INFORMATION DURING THE REGISTRATION PERIOD?

An offender must give written notice of any change of address within 10 days of a change in residence to the law-enforcement agency where he or she last registered and to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4904(C))
An offender must give written notice to the sheriff and to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation of any change or termination of attendance at the school or educational institution he or she is attending within 10 days of such change or termination.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4904(D))
An offender must give written notice to the sheriff and to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation of any termination of employment within 10 days of such termination.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4904(E))

9. WHAT HAPPENS IF AN OFFENDER MOVES FROM KANSAS TO ANOTHER STATE?

If an offender changes residence to another state, he or she must inform the law-enforcement agency where he or she last registered and the Kansas Bureau of Investigation of such change in residence. The offender must register in the new state within 10 days of such change in residence.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4904(F))

10. IS AN OFFENDER WHO MOVES FROM ANOTHER STATE TO KANSAS REQUIRED TO REGISTER?

Within 10 days of the offender coming into any county in which he or she resides or is temporarily domiciled for more than 10 days, he or she must register with the sheriff of the county.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4904(a)(1))

11. WHAT IF AN OFFENDER LIVES IN ANOTHER STATE BUT WORKS OR GOES TO SCHOOL IN KANSAS?

Upon registration with a school or educational institution, a nonresident student attending such school or educational institution must register with the sheriff within 10 days of the commencement of the school term.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4904(3))
Upon commencement of employment, a nonresident worker must register with the sheriff within 10 days of beginning employment.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4904(4))

12. IS REGISTRATION A LIFETIME REQUIREMENT?

Upon the first conviction for a sexually violent crime, or as an offender or violent offender, a person must register, if not confined, for a period of 10 years after conviction, or if confined, for a period of 10 years after he or she is paroled, discharged, or released. Upon a second or subsequent conviction, the offender must register for life.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. §§ 22-4906(a)(1)-(2))
Any offender who has been convicted of an aggravated offense is required to register for life.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4906(c))
Any offender who has been declared a sexually violent predator must register for life.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4906(d))

13. ARE THERE ANY PENALTIES FOR FAILING TO REGISTER OR FOR PROVIDING FALSE INFORMATION?

Any person who is required to register and fails to do so is guilty of a “nonperson felony.”
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4903)

14. WHAT INFORMATION IS RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT REGISTERED OFFENDERS?

Information required by the Kansas Offender Registration Act is available to the public at the sheriff’s office, at the headquarters of the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, and on the Internet.
(Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4909)

15. CAN I SEARCH THE INTERNET FOR OFFENDERS IN MY AREA?

The Kansas registered offender database is available online, through the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, at http://www.accesskansas.org/kbi/ro.htm. The database can be searched by name, city, county, zip code, and absconder.

wazu
04-18-2005, 12:55 AM
BTW, in Missouri you MUST register yourself as a sex offender, if convited, for anything from "mooning" someone to urinating in public...

I guess that's why there isn't a website then. The database would require a supercomputer.

Rausch
04-18-2005, 12:58 AM
I guess that's why there isn't a website then. The database would require a supercomputer.

Yup.

Amazing what you learn when you have 2 members of law enforcement in your family.

Valiant
04-18-2005, 01:26 AM
Perhaps he could check with the local police. The detective who busted the guy would be a good source of info - assuming he's even allowed to discuss it.


Ive learned cops will tell you anything off the record...

Valiant
04-18-2005, 01:42 AM
I actually know a guy this happened to, which is probably part of the reason I've reacted the way I have here. The guy I know was a high school senior and was dating a high school sophomore. He (stupidly) cheated on her and she found out. She told her folks, and her folks nailed him for molestation.

The guy was an idiot and a cheater, but he wasn't a sexual preadator.


He had a shitty lawyer then... There should have been no reason to go to court unless he failed his senior year twice... He would have been within age range... she would have been 15/16 he would have been 17/18... shitty lawyer...


just from googling... Consentual sex ranges anywhere from 14-17 for a person under 18-21, (hawaii is 14)... and you get anywhere from 2-5 years of age difference for over 21...

KCWolfman
04-18-2005, 01:45 AM
He had a shitty lawyer then... There should have been no reason to go to court unless he failed his senior year twice... He would have been within age range... she would have been 15/16 he would have been 17/18... shitty lawyer...


just from googling... Consentual sex ranges anywhere from 14-17 for a person under 18-21, (hawaii is 14)... and you get anywhere from 2-5 years of age difference for over 21...
Or he wasn't 100% honest. I can't imagine very many friends being honest if they did do something illegal to a girl.

StcChief
04-18-2005, 08:42 AM
After you get the details on crime.
Tell your neighbors.

Make it a neighborhood watch project.

Iowanian
04-18-2005, 08:55 AM
screw the whole "he's been rehabbed and served his time".......In the past 2 weeks, the news has been plastered with released sex offenders who have raped and killed little girls in Iowa, Florida and other states.

I just bought a house, and a search shows a registered sex offender in a duplex next door.

I fully intend, upon moving in, to catch him in the yard and make it clear that if I as much as catch a glipse of his Lazy eye look in the direction of my house.........he's in for a Bad day.

My intention is to tell him that "his SOUTH privileges have been revoked".

It would likely floor most of us, if we knew how many of us lived within baseball throwing distance of a kid raper.

Saulbadguy
04-18-2005, 08:56 AM
Not that I'm any expert on this stuff, but I'd absolutely 100% make sure that your daughter knows what to do if approached by a stranger. I guess that's probably good advice regardless of where you live or who you live next to...
Yep.

Iowanian
04-18-2005, 08:59 AM
If you call him a child molestor or anything of the sort, you're committing a crime -- slander.


Slander is untruth. A convicted Sex offender, is a child molester

Saulbadguy
04-18-2005, 09:00 AM
Just to clear this up, before we totally crucify this neighbor... is it possible that this crime would have simply been a 18 year old guy sleeping with a 17 year old girl or something like that? That is a possibility here isn't it...
Before we totally crucify him? Thats not how things work round these parts.

Iowanian
04-18-2005, 09:02 AM
tk...........Its also possible that it was filming something he did to a neighbor's 3 year old.

Saulbadguy
04-18-2005, 09:03 AM
tk...........Its also possible that it was filming something he did to a neighbor's 3 year old.
http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2004-09-22/calendar/seebeseen_1.gif

eazyb81
04-18-2005, 09:08 AM
Is there a way to see if sexual offenders live near you in Missouri? I saw the one for Kansas but haven't seen one for Missouri yet.

J Diddy
04-18-2005, 09:09 AM
I'd be pulling some meet the parents stuff.

Let him know that I've got my eye on him.

J Diddy
04-18-2005, 09:11 AM
Is there a way to see if sexual offenders live near you in Missouri? I saw the one for Kansas but haven't seen one for Missouri yet.

The good thing about where I live. They post it in the newspaper at least once a month, plus you can go to the joplin globe website and it lists all of em. I got one about 6 blocks down, which is good to know. The sad thing is there is an elementary school 3 blocks down.

eazyb81
04-18-2005, 09:14 AM
Anyone know anything like that for Kansas City, MO? I've always wanted to see if there were any creeps like that in my neighborhood.

J Diddy
04-18-2005, 09:20 AM
Anyone know anything like that for Kansas City, MO? I've always wanted to see if there were any creeps like that in my neighborhood.
Check this out.

Lists by county or zip.

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/CRID/SOR/SORPage.html

Predarat
04-18-2005, 09:23 AM
The Anti Freeze thing works pretty well.

J Diddy
04-18-2005, 09:26 AM
The Anti Freeze thing works pretty well.

Never tried it, closest I came was to Jagermeister.

But then again I'm not a registered, or even a nonregistered, sex offender.

Boozer
04-18-2005, 09:39 AM
If you call him a child molestor or anything of the sort, you're committing a crime -- slander.


Hate to burst your bubble, but slander isn't a crime anymore, at least in Kansas and the vast majority of states. I'm unaware of any place in America where they'll still lock you up for defaming someone.

Iowanian
04-18-2005, 09:48 AM
I think the best display for notice to sex offenders, would be to skin them and stretch their hides on your garage.

Scorp
04-18-2005, 09:50 AM
UPDATE!

I called the county Sherrifs office. A very nice lady officer understood my concerns and did some digging for me. She called me back and said his crime was computer related. Whew! That is a load off my mind. Not negating the fact he did something illegal, but at least it was cyber illegal.

Thanks again everyone who participated in this discussion. :clap:

Brock
04-18-2005, 09:52 AM
Is there a way to see if sexual offenders live near you in Missouri? I saw the one for Kansas but haven't seen one for Missouri yet.

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/CRID/SOR/SORPage.html

Brock
04-18-2005, 09:55 AM
Relax, just because someone did something once doesn't mean they're going to do it again, and it sure doesn't mean they're going to do it to you or yours.

Yeah, rehabilitation has worked so well with these perverts. :rolleyes:

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:04 AM
He had a shitty lawyer then... There should have been no reason to go to court unless he failed his senior year twice... He would have been within age range... she would have been 15/16 he would have been 17/18... shitty lawyer...


just from googling... Consentual sex ranges anywhere from 14-17 for a person under 18-21, (hawaii is 14)... and you get anywhere from 2-5 years of age difference for over 21...

I'm not really sure. The guy isn't my friend (and wasn't back then, either), he was just a guy who went to our high school.

Iowanian
04-18-2005, 10:04 AM
UPDATE!

I called the county Sherrifs office. A very nice lady officer understood my concerns and did some digging for me. She called me back and said his crime was computer related. Whew! That is a load off my mind. Not negating the fact he did something illegal, but at least it was cyber illegal.

Thanks again everyone who participated in this discussion. :clap:

So it was Child pRon.


Just because he's only looked at pictures of Popcorn, doesn't mean he's not interested in Effing Orville Redenbocker. Keep your eye on the sleeze.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:06 AM
Slander is untruth. A convicted Sex offender, is a child molester

Are you serious? A rapist is a child molester? Someone who downloads animal porn is a child molester? An 18 year old who films his 16 year old girlfriend is a child molester?

All of those are sex offenses, and none qualify as child molestation.

Iowanian
04-18-2005, 10:08 AM
You're not put on a sex offender list for catching an online donkey show. this guy was according to the originator charged with exploitation of a minor. Kiddy porn.

I don't know if YOU are the guy you're talking about or what..........but how ANYONE can defend a kid-humper is beyond me.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:08 AM
Yeah, rehabilitation has worked so well with these perverts. :rolleyes:

What perverts? Do you really believe that an 18 year old guy who gets off by downloading a webcam video of a 16 year old girl is a pervert? Isn't that <em>normal</em>?

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:11 AM
So it was Child pRon.


Just because he's only looked at pictures of Popcorn, doesn't mean he's not interested in Effing Orville Redenbocker. Keep your eye on the sleeze.

I agree with that. Certainly I would be keeping my eye on him. I've said that all along.

I just think it's important to remember that this guy is 20, and would have been 18 or 19 when he committed the offense. If he downloaded child porn, the people in the porn could have been up to, what, 17 years old? So it's possible that he was 18 and stroking it to a movie of a 17 year old. Hardly something to get up in arms over. On the hand, it's possible he was 20 and beating it to a video of a five year old. We just don't know.

Either way, I'd keep my eye on him and inform the neighbors. I don't think there's much more you can do.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:14 AM
You're not put on a sex offender list for catching an online donkey show. this guy was according to the originator charged with exploitation of a minor. Kiddy porn.

I don't know if YOU are the guy you're talking about or what..........but how ANYONE can defend a kid-humper is beyond me.

Right. Look me up in the database if you want. Jeff Croft. <em>address removed</em>, Manhattan KS.

The guy I'm talking about is named Nathan Driscoll and was from Olathe. He would have graduated Olathe South in 1995, I believe. Look him up too, if you want. I don't know the guy, really, I just know of him.

I'm not defending any "kid-humper." Of course not. But, I would stand up for a 18 year old that used his webcam to film his 17 year old girlfriend. Of course it was a stupid thing to do, but it hardly makes him a sexual predator.

I'm not even giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. I've said all along (have you read this whole thread?) that I'd be worried and keep my eye on the guy. My only point is that you can't go and skin the guy alive for "kid-humping" when you have no idea if he's every humped anyone, let alone kids.

Iowanian
04-18-2005, 10:17 AM
you should seriously remove that much personal information.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:18 AM
you should seriously remove that much personal information.

You're probably right, but I have nothing to hide.

Iowanian
04-18-2005, 10:21 AM
Its not that my man..........Its some of the twisted fugs in the online shadows. I'd never bother your real life.....but there are some who might.


I don't think you're a prevert........I don't think the 18 yr old should be in trouble for a neked pic of his 17 yr old girlfriend.

For ever case like that, I can link 5-10 dead girls under 13, killed by released and registered sex offenders. I have a personal Zero Tollerance policy.

If one ever gets at my kid.......I'll probably go to hell for what happens next.

badgirl
04-18-2005, 10:24 AM
I agree with that. Certainly I would be keeping my eye on him. I've said that all along.

I just think it's important to remember that this guy is 20, and would have been 18 or 19 when he committed the offense. If he downloaded child porn, the people in the porn could have been up to, what, 17 years old? So it's possible that he was 18 and stroking it to a movie of a 17 year old. Hardly something to get up in arms over. On the hand, it's possible he was 20 and beating it to a video of a five year old. We just don't know.

Either way, I'd keep my eye on him and inform the neighbors. I don't think there's much more you can do.
If the girl was 17, I don't even think the word child would have come into play, I mean if a guy has sex with a 15 year old its not even even considered child molestation at that point but rape. At certain ages of children the crime has different names, and some who has the word child in his crime, I'd consider just that a child..was he the one filming and distributing the child porn, or was he just looking at it on a web site?
Hell he may have been having children doing things in his basement and filming it and putting it on the web, how can they catch him looking at it at his home on his computer and get a conviction? He was CONVICTED OF CHILD EXPLOITATION, doesn't that mean he was doing the exploiting of the children?

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:24 AM
Its not that my man..........Its some of the twisted fugs in the online shadows. I'd never bother your real life.....but there are some who might.


You're right, I removed the address. Thanks.


I don't think you're a prevert........I don't think the 18 yr old should be in trouble for a neked pic of his 17 yr old girlfriend.

For ever case like that, I can link 5-10 dead girls under 13, killed by released and registered sex offenders. I have a personal Zero Tollerance policy.

If one ever gets at my kid.......I'll probably go to hell for what happens next.

First of all, I wouldn't blame you for anything you did to the sex offender that got at your kid. I know damn well i'd kill the one that got at my daughter, too. I don't blame anyone for being cautious around a registered sex offender, but I do think it's important to realize that some of the offenses are not big red flags and plenty of the people do go on to lead normal lives after they screwed up at age 18 or something. Yes, there are probably a LOT more of them who are repeat offender and total sick ****s, but there are relatively innocent people on the lists that did something stupid when they were young, too.

Scorp
04-18-2005, 10:26 AM
If one ever gets at my kid.......I'll probably go to hell for what happens next.


You got that right. Thats why I was so worried when I first started this thread.

I would literally cut the person in tiny bits with a spoon. Why a spoon you ask? Cuz it would hurt more.

Garcia Bronco
04-18-2005, 10:28 AM
You got that right. Thats why I was so worried when I first started this thread.

I would literally cut the person in tiny bits with a spoon. Why a spoon you ask? Cuz it would hurt more.
It's "With a dull spoon"

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:28 AM
If the girl was 17, I don't even think the word child would have come into play, I mean if a guy has sex with a 15 year old its not even even considered child molestation at that point but rape. At certain ages of children the crime has different names, and some who has the word child in his crime, I'd consider just that a child..was he the one filming and distributing the child porn, or was he just looking at it on a web site?
Hell he may have been having children doing things in his basement and filming it and putting it on the web, how can they catch him looking at it at his home on his computer and get a conviction?

Honestly, I don't know much about the various offenses and what they mean. But, it was posted earlier in this thread that this offense meant he either filmed/photographed a child, or he encouraged prostitution.

Seems likely, then, that he photographed or filmed something. I'm not sure what defines a child, here. I always thought it was illegal for anyone under 18 to be in an adult video. That's why i said 17. But I could certainly be wrong.

Brock
04-18-2005, 10:29 AM
What perverts? Do you really believe that an 18 year old guy who gets off by downloading a webcam video of a 16 year old girl is a pervert? Isn't that <em>normal</em>?

You are making assumptions. How do you know he wasn't trying to elicit a meeting with a 14 year old girl via the internet?

badgirl
04-18-2005, 10:31 AM
Honestly, I don't know much about the various offenses and what they mean. But, it was posted earlier in this thread that this offense meant he either filmed/photographed a child, or he encouraged prostitution.

Seems likely, then, that he photographed or filmed something. I'm not sure what defines a child, here. I always thought it was illegal for anyone under 18 to be in an adult video. That's why i said 17. But I could certainly be wrong.
It may be illegal for someone under 18 to be in a porn video, but I don't think a 17 year old posing for him and him putting it on the web would be considered child porn.
You can check the records where he was convicted and they will give you some anwsers, I beleive

Uncle_Ted
04-18-2005, 10:31 AM
Yeah, rehabilitation has worked so well with these perverts. :rolleyes:

You'd be surprised. Where sex offenders are put through a comprehensive sex offender treatment program, the recidivism rate is actually very low in comparison to those who are not such a program. Unfortunately when budget cuts roll around, these are some of the first programs to go -- don't want to coddle those rapists!

Rehab isn't perfect, but so long as we are not (a) putting these guys in for life or (b) shooting them, I'd prefer that they be "rehabilitated" as much as possible, because some day they're going to get out.

Iowanian
04-18-2005, 10:32 AM
www.pervertedjustice.com

catches guys "just messing around" all the time.

badgirl
04-18-2005, 10:34 AM
You'd be surprised. Where sex offenders are put through a comprehensive sex offender treatment program, the recidivism rate is actually very low in comparison to those who are not such a program. Unfortunately when budget cuts roll around, these are some of the first programs to go -- don't want to coddle those rapists!

Rehab isn't perfect, but so long as we are not (a) putting these guys in for life or (b) shooting them, I'd prefer that they be "rehabilitated" as much as possible, because some day they're going to get out.
rehab, doesn't work for child molesters and they will admit to that themselves. They won't change. They just need to be shot, and save the futures of the kids, rehab my ass, waste of money, they need to be put away for life or killed its the only answer that is guaranteed to work

Brock
04-18-2005, 10:37 AM
You'd be surprised. Where sex offenders are put through a comprehensive sex offender treatment program, the recidivism rate is actually very low in comparison to those who are not such a program. Unfortunately when budget cuts roll around, these are some of the first programs to go -- don't want to coddle those rapists!

Rehab isn't perfect, but so long as we are not (a) putting these guys in for life or (b) shooting them, I'd prefer that they be "rehabilitated" as much as possible, because some day they're going to get out.

From everything I have read recently, most of these guys admit that they will never be cured of their sick urges. The question I have asked from day one - Why do we let them out at all?

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:37 AM
You are making assumptions. How do you know he wasn't trying to elicit a meeting with a 14 year old girl via the internet?

I don't. Just like you don't know he wasn't 18 and took a topless photo of his 17 year old girlfriend.

That's my point -- we just don't know.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:38 AM
Rehab isn't perfect, but so long as we are not (a) putting these guys in for life or (b) shooting them, I'd prefer that they be "rehabilitated" as much as possible, because some day they're going to get out.

Makes sense to me.

Brock
04-18-2005, 10:38 AM
I don't. Just like you don't know he wasn't 18 and took a topless photo of his 17 year old girlfriend.

That's my point -- we just don't know.

Well, call me a big fraidy cat, but I would want to err on the side of caution.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:39 AM
rehab, doesn't work for child molesters and they will admit to that themselves. They won't change. They just need to be shot, and save the futures of the kids, rehab my ass, waste of money, they need to be put away for life or killed its the only answer that is guaranteed to work

Even if you're right, you have to know that's never going to happen. So, given that they are eventually going to get out of prison, wouldn't you like for them to at least have been through a program, even if it only works for a small percentage of them?

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:40 AM
Well, call me a big fraidy cat, but I would want to err on the side of caution.

Which, again, i've said all along in this thread. Have you even read this thread? I've been saying you should err on the side of caution all along. i must've said it 50 times now.

badgirl
04-18-2005, 10:41 AM
Even if you're right, you have to know that's never going to happen. So, given that they are eventually going to get out of prison, wouldn't you like for them to at least have been through a program, even if it only works for a small percentage of them?
Sure give em some rehab, but it will do no good, no good at all.
I beleive if the girl was 17 it would say Sexual Exploitation of a Minor. :hmmm:

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2005, 10:42 AM
This registry is important for dealing with the real animals out there. One of the unfortunate things about it is the consequence for the person on that list if the offense wasn't all that. I have a friend who had sex with a women who ended up being under age. He never thought for a second she was but his life is over now. He had been running a chain of tanning salons and making good money but his PO told him that he is no longer allowed to do that job because there is an occasional client under 18. All they want him to do is violate so they can lock him up again. They have zero interest in having him become a productive member of society. I tried the ol pep talk this weekend but I think when they start dogging you like that you feel defenseless and just give up. I think that's what is going to happen here.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:43 AM
This registry is important for dealing with the real animals out there. One of the unfortunate things about it is the consequence for the person on that list if the offense wasn't all that. I have a friend who had sex with a women who ended up being under age. He never thought for a second she was but his life is over now. He had been running a chain of tanning salons and making good money but his PO told him that he is no longer allowed to do that job because there is an occasional client under 18. All they want him to do is violate so they can lock him up again. They have zero interest in having him become a productive member of society. I tried the ol pep talk this weekend but I think when they start dogging you like that you feel defenseless and just give up. I think that's what is going to happen here.

Man, that's pretty rough.

Brock
04-18-2005, 10:43 AM
Which, again, i've said all along in this thread. Have you even read this thread? I've been saying you should err on the side of caution all along. i must've said it 50 times now.

You said something along the lines of "relax, don't worry about it".

That's easy for you to say when you probably don't have a pervert living in your back yard, and frankly, I doubt you have kids that are your responsibility to protect.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:45 AM
You said something along the lines of "relax, don't worry about it".

That's easy for you to say when you probably don't have a pervert living in your back yard, and frankly, I doubt you have kids that are your responsibility to protect.

God damnit man, read the ****ing thread. I have a 10 year old daughter that has been brought up many times in this thread.

gblowfish
04-18-2005, 10:45 AM
We had a guy and his wife living in a rental house right across the street from us that was a convicted rapist. There's about four families on my block that have lived on the street for 50 years. We all keep close tabs on stuff, and we watched that guy like a hawk. He was pretty quiet and just tinkered around in his garage. They moved about six months ago. I think he knew we were wise to him, and he never caused any trouble.

Brock
04-18-2005, 10:47 AM
God damnit man, read the ****ing thread. I have a 10 year old daughter that has been brought up many times in this thread.

Sure. I'll just plow through a 10 page thread so you don't have to repeat yourself.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:48 AM
Sure. I'll just plow through a 10 page thread so you don't have to repeat yourself.

Thanks.

Brock
04-18-2005, 10:52 AM
I actually know a guy this happened to, which is probably part of the reason I've reacted the way I have here. The guy I know was a high school senior and was dating a high school sophomore. He (stupidly) cheated on her and she found out. She told her folks, and her folks nailed him for molestation.

The guy was an idiot and a cheater, but he wasn't a sexual preadator.

ATT. AGGRAVATED INDECENT LIBERTIES WITH A CHILD.

Something tells me there's quite a bit to this story you've conveniently omitted.

J Diddy
04-18-2005, 10:53 AM
UPDATE!

I called the county Sherrifs office. A very nice lady officer understood my concerns and did some digging for me. She called me back and said his crime was computer related. Whew! That is a load off my mind. Not negating the fact he did something illegal, but at least it was cyber illegal.

Thanks again everyone who participated in this discussion. :clap:

Keep in mind that this particular man obviously has a thing for kids. Just cause he got off on the internet doesn't mean you're totally in the clear.

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2005, 10:58 AM
Man, that's pretty rough.

The worst part was his girl at the time calls him up and says she has something special for his birthday. She bring over her friend which she knew was under age but never told him. A few days later his world was turned upside down. Nobody wants to hire him now. He had a great job but they don't want him to to make lots of money and be around fine girls all the time so they simply told him he can't do it. Now the money is starting to run out and you can see him begin to just not give a f*ck.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 10:58 AM
ATT. AGGRAVATED INDECENT LIBERTIES WITH A CHILD.

Something tells me there's quite a bit to this story you've conveniently omitted.

There may well be more to the story than I said, but I didn't "conveniently omit" anything. I told you the story I heard, which may or may not be true. Like I said, I don't really know the guy.

Again, I repeat myself.

Chiefnj
04-18-2005, 03:15 PM
I haven't read through this thread, so if it was said before I apologize. I think I'd confront the guy. Tell him you received a notice that said he was a registered sex offender, how you have two children that mean the world to you and that you would have no problem spending the rest of your life in prison for rendering someone a quadreplegic for ever doing or trying to do something to them. If you catch him looking at your kids you will call the police. I'm sure the police would believe your word over that of a convicted sexual predator.

tk13
04-18-2005, 03:36 PM
tk...........Its also possible that it was filming something he did to a neighbor's 3 year old.
I never said that wasn't a possibility... I clearly said that is just as possible as any scenario, and that I hadn't realized until reading this thread that someone in the scenario I described would be screwed for life, and that's not fair. That was the whole point though, to examine every possibility, whether I agree with it or not. That's just how I do things.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 03:40 PM
I haven't read through this thread, so if it was said before I apologize. I think I'd confront the guy. Tell him you received a notice that said he was a registered sex offender, how you have two children that mean the world to you and that you would have no problem spending the rest of your life in prison for rendering someone a quadreplegic for ever doing or trying to do something to them. If you catch him looking at your kids you will call the police. I'm sure the police would believe your word over that of a convicted sexual predator.

That was suggested. I said that I think threatening the guy is like begging to be a target. I think confronting him might be an okay idea, but I don't think it's smart to do it in a threatening manner. A better idea would be to welcome the guy to your 'hood, tell him you read about his past, tell him you know people can change and you hope he has done so.

You'll learn a lot about him by the reaction he gives you, and you'll let him know you've got your eye on him.

Threatening him is like telling a hacker your software is un-crackable -- it's setting him up with a challenge.

chiefs4me
04-18-2005, 03:41 PM
If the sick mother****** was my neighbor...trust me...I would make his life such a living freaking hell he would be the one moving...:harumph:

jcroft
04-18-2005, 03:42 PM
If the sick mother****** was my neighbor...trust me...I would make his life such a living freaking hell he would be the one moving...:harumph:

Oh boy, here we go again.

How do you know he's a "sick mother****er?"

Saulbadguy
04-18-2005, 03:44 PM
As always, I would disregard the C4ME post...just to avoid the infamous "Here we go again.."

badgirl
04-18-2005, 03:45 PM
Oh boy, here we go again.

How do you know he's a "sick mother****er?"
could it be because of the nature his crime? Do ya think? :rolleyes:

jcroft
04-18-2005, 03:45 PM
As always, I would disregard the C4ME post...just to avoid the infamous "Here we go again.."

Good idea.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 03:47 PM
could it be because of the nature his crime? Do ya think? :rolleyes:

Not really. We've already established in this thread that the name of the charge doesn't really tell us much about the nature of his crime, and that it's certainly possible to be a registered sex offender without being a sick mother****er.

Haven't we? I thought we were all straight on this by now?

Brock
04-18-2005, 03:48 PM
Not really. We've already established in this thread that the name of the charge doesn't really tell us much about the nature of his crime, and that it's certainly possible to be a registered sex offender without being a sick mother****er.

Haven't we? I thought we were all straight on this by now?

The only place that is established is within your own mind.

Saulbadguy
04-18-2005, 03:50 PM
The C4ME rule also applies to badgirl.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 03:51 PM
The only place that is established is within your own mind.

It may not be established in YOUR mind, but it certainly seems like most people here agreed with me that there are cases in which someone does something unknowingly or stupidly that puts them on the list, but wouldn't qualify them as a "sick mother****er" in the minds of most.

It was even mentioned that you can be on the list for mooning or urinating. Big Daddy told a story of a buddy of his unknowingly having sex with an underage girl. I don't think that makes him a "sick mother****er."

If you don't agree, fine. But most people here did.

Saulbadguy
04-18-2005, 03:53 PM
For all we know, he could have had nekkid pics of a 17 year old camwhore on his computer.

Chiefnj
04-18-2005, 03:54 PM
That was suggested. I said that I think threatening the guy is like begging to be a target. I think confronting him might be an okay idea, but I don't think it's smart to do it in a threatening manner. A better idea would be to welcome the guy to your 'hood, tell him you read about his past, tell him you know people can change and you hope he has done so.

You'll learn a lot about him by the reaction he gives you, and you'll let him know you've got your eye on him.

Threatening him is like telling a hacker your software is un-crackable -- it's setting him up with a challenge.

I don't know. On one hand I would think that most molestor's are cowardly vermin who would want to avoid confrontations with an adult who could actually fight back. On the other hand, I recall that SOB in California who murdere Klass? and how he taunted the parents during the entire trial. It's a tough situation.

Upon further thought, buy a big ass attack dog. Make sure the dog doesn't get friendly with the guy and will defend the lives of your kids at an instant.

badgirl
04-18-2005, 03:57 PM
For all we know, he could have had nekkid pics of a 17 year old camwhore on his computer.
As I have said before I beleive it would be called Exploitation of a minor at that age, a child would probably be 13 or under. I check it out more it should be public record and find out more details.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 03:57 PM
I don't know. On one hand I would think that most molestor's are cowardly vermin who would want to avoid confrontations with an adult who could actually fight back.


That's possible. In this case, though, we have no reason to believe this guy is a molester. He wasn't charged with molestation.


Upon further thought, buy a big ass attack dog. Make sure the dog doesn't get friendly with the guy and will defend the lives of your kids at an instant.

As long as it's legal and doesn't attack anyone not deserving, I can go for that. :)

mlyonsd
04-18-2005, 03:58 PM
Plaster the community with his picture. If that doesn't make him move then you should. It's not worth risking your kids.

badgirl
04-18-2005, 03:58 PM
The only place that is established is within your own mind.
Well he would be a sick bastard in my mind until I found out otherwise.
I wouldn't be defending him in anyway, he would be a sicko because then you may keep your guard up more than trying to work it out in your mind it may not be as bad as they say.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 03:59 PM
As I have said before I beleive it would be called Exploitation of a minor at that age, a child would probably be 13 or under. I check it out more it should be public record and find out more details.

I'm not sure you're right on this. I don't know for sure either, but if we could find something that said clearly that "child" was defined as 13 or under, I think we'd all be more likely to peg this guy as "sick mother****er." Until then, he could well be a guy who just did something stupid.

Chiefnj
04-18-2005, 04:00 PM
Call back the AG's office, get the docket number and go to the court house and see if you can pull any public portion of the file. It might give you some insight to see if he was looking at a 17 year old or was a member of NAMBLA.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 04:00 PM
Well he would be a sick bastard in my mind until I found out otherwise.

You can think that way if you want to, but the American justice system doesn't agree with you.

badgirl
04-18-2005, 04:01 PM
I'm not sure you're right on this. I don't know for sure either, but if we could find something that said clearly that "child" was defined as 13 or under, I think we'd all be more likely to peg this guy as "sick mother****er." Until then, he could well be a guy who just did something stupid.
I think I'll search the net and find out for sure.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 04:01 PM
21-3516
Chapter 21.--CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT
Article 35.--SEX OFFENSES
21-3516. Sexual exploitation of a child. (a) Sexual exploitation of a child is:

(1) Employing, using, persuading, inducing, enticing or coercing a child <strong>under 18 years of age</strong> to engage in sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of promoting any performance;

(2) possessing any film, photograph, negative, slide, book, magazine or other printed or visual medium or any audio tape recording or any photocopy, video tape, video laser disk, computer hardware, software, floppy disk or any other computer related equipment or computer generated image that contains or incorporates in any manner any film, photograph, negative, photocopy, video tape or video laser disk in which a visual depiction of a <strong>child under 18 years of age</strong> is shown or heard engaging in sexually explicit conduct with intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires or appeal to the prurient interest of the offender, the child or another;

(3) being a parent, guardian or other person having custody or control of a <strong>child under 18 years of age</strong> and knowingly permitting such child to engage in, or assist another to engage in, sexually explicit conduct for any purpose described in subsection (a)(1) or (2); or

(4) promoting any performance that includes sexually explicit conduct by a <strong>child under 18 years of age</strong>, knowing the character and content of the performance.

(b) As used in this section:

(1) "Sexually explicit conduct" means actual or simulated: Exhibition in the nude; sexual intercourse or sodomy, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital or oral-anal contact, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; masturbation; sado-masochistic abuse for the purpose of sexual stimulation; or lewd exhibition of the genitals, female breasts or pubic area of any person.

(2) "Promoting" means procuring, selling, providing, lending, mailing, delivering, transferring, transmitting, distributing, circulating, disseminating, presenting, producing, directing, manufacturing, issuing, publishing, displaying, exhibiting or advertising:

(A) For pecuniary profit; or

(B) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire or appeal to the prurient interest of the offender, the child or another.

(3) "Performance" means any film, photograph, negative, slide, book, magazine or other printed or visual medium, any audio tape recording or any photocopy, video tape, video laser disk, computer hardware, software, floppy disk or any other computer related equipment or computer generated image that contains or incorporates in any manner any film, photograph, negative, photocopy, video tape or video laser disk or any play or other live presentation.

(4) "Nude" means any state of undress in which the human genitals, pubic region, buttock or female breast, at a point below the top of the areola, is less than completely and opaquely covered.

(c) Sexual exploitation of a child is a severity level 5, person felony.

(d) This section shall be part of and supplemental to the Kansas criminal code.

chiefs4me
04-18-2005, 04:01 PM
Oh boy, here we go again.

How do you know he's a "sick mother****er?"




Are you serious...are we talking about a child molester here......if we aren't then excuse this post. If we are then I don't care how long the ****** has repented.....I don't care if he cut off his dick. If he did it one time....in my book he is a sick mother******. :harumph:


And you can rot in hell for defending him as far as I am concerned....:rolleyes:

badgirl
04-18-2005, 04:01 PM
You can think that way if you want to, but the American justice system doesn't agree with you.
Well he was convicted and put on a list so I think they do agree with me.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 04:03 PM
Are you serious...are we talking about a child molester here......if we aren't then excuse this post. If we are then I don't care how long the ****** has repented.....I don't care if he cut off his dick. If he did it one time....in my book he is a sick mother******. :harumph:


And you can rot in hell for defending him as far as I am concerned....:rolleyes:

No, we're NOT TALKING ABOUT A CHILD MOLESTER. Read the damn thread.

Saulbadguy
04-18-2005, 04:03 PM
Are you serious...are we talking about a child molester here......
No.

Reading. Left to right, put words together to form a sentence.

badgirl
04-18-2005, 04:03 PM
Are you serious...are we talking about a child molester here......if we aren't then excuse this post. If we are then I don't care how long the ****** has repented.....I don't care if he cut off his dick. If he did it one time....in my book he is a sick mother******. :harumph:


And you can rot in hell for defending him as far as I am concerned....:rolleyes:
No not molestation, its EXPLOITATION OF A CHILD he was evidentally filming child porn and putting it on the web and got caught, the disagreement on this is some people are saying it could have been his 17 year old girlfriend and that wouldn't be as bad, but no one knows for sure the details of his crime.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 04:04 PM
Well he was convicted and put on a list so I think they do agree with me.

No. They didn't put him on the "sick mother****er" list, like you are. They put him on the registered sex offender list. Big difference.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 04:05 PM
I think I'll search the net and find out for sure.

No need. In the post I just made (number 234) it clearly says "child under the age of 18 years."

badgirl
04-18-2005, 04:05 PM
No. They didn't put him on the "sick mother****er" list, like you are. They put him on the registered sex offender list. Big difference.
If they courts could name it that they would, he's on the same list as the child molesters, same catagory.

badgirl
04-18-2005, 04:06 PM
No need. In the post I just made it clearly says "child under the age of 18 years."
Well yes under 18, but at what age the law quits defining them as a child and become a minor, as I said before if a 15 year old girl gets raped its raped, not child molestation.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 04:06 PM
If they courts could name it that they would, he's on the same list as the child molesters, same catagory.

No, he's not. He was charged with EXPLOITATION OF A CHILD. That's a world of difference from being charged with MOLESTATION OF A CHILD.

You said this yourself in a previous post, did you not?

chiefs4me
04-18-2005, 04:06 PM
I'm not sure you're right on this. I don't know for sure either, but if we could find something that said clearly that "child" was defined as 13 or under, I think we'd all be more likely to peg this guy as "sick mother****er." Until then, he could well be a guy who just did something stupid.


You are making me sick......are you saying that molesting a 13 year old child is alright? Why are you even defending somebody like this?

Do you have kids?

badgirl
04-18-2005, 04:08 PM
No, he's not. He was charged with EXPLOITATION OF A CHILD. That's a world of difference from being charged with MOLESTATION OF A CHILD.

You said this yourself in a previous post, did you not?
yes there is a big difference, but he is on the same list as the molesters isn't he?

jcroft
04-18-2005, 04:08 PM
Well yes under 18, but at what age the law quits defining them as a child and become a minor, as I said before if a 15 year old girl gets raped its raped, not child molestation.

Did you read the thing? Post 234. It very clearly outlines the possible things one can do to get this charge. All it says about age is "under 18." To clarify, the victim could have been any of the following ages:

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Get it?

jcroft
04-18-2005, 04:09 PM
You are making me sick......are you saying that molesting a 13 year old child is alright? Why are you even defending somebody like this?

Do you have kids?

Please tell me where I said molestation of a 13 year old is okay.

AND READ THE ****ING THREAD. I swear, if one more person asks me if I have kids, I'm cutting their dick off and feeding it to the guy in scorp's neighborhood.

Yes, I have a 10 year old daughter.

badgirl
04-18-2005, 04:10 PM
yes I get that part, but other than the link you provided and looking up the law on such things not just this case, and see what it says, it must tell somewhere when the law changes what a crime is called.

jcroft
04-18-2005, 04:10 PM
yes there is a big difference, but he is on the same list as the molesters isn't he?

Sperm whales and humans are both on the list of "mammals," but I don't think that makes us the same, do you?