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Mr. Kotter
04-18-2005, 03:48 PM
My crack at the Draft: :hmmm:

We add our CB (Surtain), an OLB in Davis, a deep threat WR in White or Mathis, an under-rated Webster as a nickle....McCoy as a "sleeper" at OLB, a QBOTF in Guldigli or Orvlowsky, a versatile agressive "big man" to step in behind Shields or Roaf as they inch toward retirement, a possible "steal" in at WR, and a Mormon Punter.

How's this??? :D


15. Thomas Davis, OLB

46. Roddy White, WR/Jerome Mathis, WR

99. Corey Webster, CB

102. (to Miami, w/3rd Rd pick from 2006) for Patrick Surtain, CB

147. Matt McCoy, OLB

187. Gino Guldigli, QB or Dan Orvlowsky, QB

199. CJ Brooks, OG

229. Issac West, WR or Tony Brown, WR

238. Matt Payne, P


Fire away.... :p

LiL stumppy
04-18-2005, 04:00 PM
Meh,I want DJ.

Tribal Warfare
04-18-2005, 04:23 PM
Meh,I want DJ.


Same here, but Davis is a nice consolation option if KC can't get DJ. (KC better try to get DJ though)

eazyb81
04-18-2005, 04:25 PM
first off, you're missing one of our 5th rounders....we have two.

Matt McCoy is rising up draft boards, most agree he is a 2nd or 3rd rounder, so there is little chance he will be there for us in the 5th round.

I would probably prefer Taylor Stubblefield over West or Brown in the 7th round, I think he is more polished and will be a good possession receiver.

Overall I really like your picks. A draft like this would fill a ton of holes and add some needed depth. Too bad our real draft will look nothing like this. :banghead:

DAMMIT CARL!

CosmicPal
04-18-2005, 04:45 PM
I like your draft. However, I'd rather take a DB in the 2nd round. The DB's are deep in this draft, and it would be favorable for us to snatch a CB in the 2nd round rather than wait until the third round.

If McFadden is available in the 2nd, I'd say we take him. However, I do love Corey Webster in the third round...I don't think he'll last until then, but you never know.

I would take Courtney Roby or the best WR available in the third 'cause we are more likely to succeed with a WR in that position than a DB.

And then I agree with Easy- Stubblefield would be a steal late.

Logical
04-18-2005, 04:58 PM
I will admit, I have no idea who those QBs are on your mock.

I guess if you want to believe we will steal Surtain then this is a decent draft.

Spicy McHaggis
04-18-2005, 05:08 PM
...and a Mormon Punter.

ROFL that struck me as funny.

edit: I'd rep you for the mock but my bro's comp has pop-up blocker that won't let me.

Mr. Kotter
04-18-2005, 05:13 PM
I will admit, I have no idea who those QBs are on your mock.

I guess if you want to believe we will steal Surtain then this is a decent draft.

Here's some info on the QBs; in the 6-7th RD you can't be picky, but these guys could develop...


DAN ORVLOWSKY
HEIGHT 6'5"
WEIGH226
40 TIME 5.0

Pros: Has great size, accurate arm. Pocket QB, great football knowledge, leader on the field. Has the physical tools, will need time to get up to speed in the pro game, preferably 2-3 seasons of it behind a quality vet.
Cons: Arm strength is only average. Not a very mobile player, takes big hits. Didn't play against great opposition at UConn.
Draft Exchange Analysis:
A true senior quarterback and All-America candidate who has the second most career touchdown passes (61) of any active Division I-A player, trailing only Hawaii’s Timmy Chang, and the eighth most career passing yards (7,352) of any active player…Expected to break most UConn career passing records during his senior campaign.


GINO GUIDUGLI
HEIGHT 6'3"
WEIGHT 220
40 TIME 4.82

Pros: Very good arm, can make any throw needed. Put up great numbers senior year, tough leader who gives it all he has on the field. Lots of game experience.
Cons: Can force throws at times, somewhat inconsistent in his decision-making. Mechanics need a little work, but are correctable.
Draft Exchange Analysis:
All-Conference USA candidate...has established himself as one of the top quarterbacks in Cincinnati history...possesses the total package of QB skills and traits—good size, arm strength and mobility...intelligent performer who picks things up quickly and makes good decisions on the field...has excellent calmness and toughness under pressure...accurate passer who throws the deep ball well...has the ability to make plays when things break down...very sound fundamentally who makes an effort to do everything right...has displayed good leadership skills from the first time he stepped on the field, bringing UC from behind in the fourth quarter to win eight times during his career.

As for the Surtain deal, I'd go for a 2nd I guess...but NEXT year.

Mr. Kotter
04-18-2005, 05:19 PM
first off, you're missing one of our 5th rounders....we have two.

Matt McCoy is rising up draft boards, most agree he is a 2nd or 3rd rounder, so there is little chance he will be there for us in the 5th round.

I would probably prefer Taylor Stubblefield over West or Brown in the 7th round, I think he is more polished and will be a good possession receiver.

Overall I really like your picks. A draft like this would fill a ton of holes and add some needed depth. Too bad our real draft will look nothing like this. :banghead:

DAMMIT CARL!

I'm readin' mixed stuff on McCoy....and just hopin' he drops, I guess, because I like what I've seen/heard.

Stubblefield is a good WR--I'd have no complaints, but Brown and West are burners....4.4 versus 4.6 or somethin' like that.

KChiefs1
04-18-2005, 05:20 PM
Since we are dreaming....

15. Carlos Rogers
70. Barrett Ruud
99. Jerome Mathis
104. Stanford Routt
147. BAA
150. BAA
187. BAA
199. BAA
229. BAA
238. BAA

Chiefs trade their (46 & 116) picks for Miami's (70 & 104) picks & Patrick Surtain. This is equivalent to giving Miami the Chiefs 3rd round pick this year for Surtain w/o losing any picks.

Chiefs would add Surtain, Rogers, Ruud & Routt to their defense & grab the WR I believe will be a steal in Mathis. Maybe Carl can grab a steal in the later rounds.

Mr. Kotter
04-18-2005, 05:22 PM
I like your draft. However, I'd rather take a DB in the 2nd round. The DB's are deep in this draft, and it would be favorable for us to snatch a CB in the 2nd round rather than wait until the third round.

If McFadden is available in the 2nd, I'd say we take him. However, I do love Corey Webster in the third round...I don't think he'll last until then, but you never know.

I would take Courtney Roby or the best WR available in the third 'cause we are more likely to succeed with a WR in that position than a DB.

And then I agree with Easy- Stubblefield would be a steal late.

With Surtain, my philosophy was wait until the third for the nickleback--due to the depth at CB...otherwise, if we don't go WR in the Second, we are lookin' at Kevin Johnson, a trade, or a post June 1 pick-up. I'm not confident in any of those choices, by themselves.

If McFadden is there, or Stanley Wilson....I would be tempted at 46 to take them though.

Mr. Kotter
04-18-2005, 05:24 PM
first off, you're missing one of our 5th rounders....we have two...

Then we grab Guidugli with that one; and use the later one for DE.... :thumb:

CosmicPal
04-18-2005, 05:29 PM
With Surtain, my philosophy was wait until the third for the nickleback--due to the depth at CB...otherwise, if we don't go WR in the Second, we are lookin' at Kevin Johnson, a trade, or a post June 1 pick-up. I'm not confident in any of those choices, by themselves.

If McFadden is there, or Stanley Wilson....I would be tempted at 46 to take them though.

I understand what you are saying. However- let's look at our team for a moment: even with Surtain- we've only managed to secure one spot for our DBs. If Warfield misses the first four games of the season which is very likely, we will need someone to cover for him: Now, do you want McCleon to do that? Bartee? Battle? Nope...I didn't think so.

Thomas Davis is an excellent pick, however Davis will likely be a LB. Therefore, if we picked up Davis AND Surtain- our needs for a DB is still very great as opposed to getting a WR early. Our offense can survive without another WR- it will still move the ball down the field and create a lot of scoring opportunities without a low-round WR.

Therefore, I don't like us drafting a WR until, at the very least, the third round. There will be a handful of very good WR's available in the third round, so our emphasis should be on the DBs early.

That is just one cosmic dude's opinion....:D

whoman69
04-18-2005, 05:30 PM
Here's some info on the QBs; in the 6-7th RD you can't be picky, but these guys could develop...


DAN ORVLOWSKY
HEIGHT 6'5"
WEIGH226
40 TIME 5.0


GINO GUIDUGLI
HEIGHT 6'3"
WEIGHT 220
40 TIME 4.82


Its a good thing you put this as a non-CP draft because the Chiefs are probably considering these guys in the 3rd and 4th.

Spicy McHaggis
04-18-2005, 05:31 PM
I'd like Orlovsky where you're taking him and he might be there after that poor showing at the Senior Bowl. Good numbers all through college, accurate, he's tall and has enough bulk. And this last part I can't take credit for but I like most of all: More than once I've seen him described as a scrappy winner who is a vocal team leader.

Give him a 2 years to develop/adjust to NFL speed and he could be quite legit in the NFL. We either get a future starter, a young back-up or a 5th rounder that doesn't pan out. Take him.

go bowe
04-18-2005, 05:33 PM
ROFL that struck me as funny.

edit: I'd rep you for the mock but my bro's comp has pop-up blocker that won't let me.have you tried holding down your control key when you click on the rep symbol?

ChiefsCountry
04-18-2005, 05:33 PM
I only like two of your picks - Roddy White and Corey Webster.

Spicy McHaggis
04-18-2005, 05:35 PM
have you tried holding down your control key when you click on the rep symbol?

Ummmm, no. Dammit. :) Thanks, rep for you too!

Mr. Kotter
04-18-2005, 05:49 PM
...Now, do you want McCleon to do that? Bartee? Battle? Nope...I didn't think so.

Thomas Davis is an excellent pick, however Davis will likely be a LB. Therefore, if we picked up Davis AND Surtain- our needs for a DB is still very great as opposed to getting a WR early. Our offense can survive without another WR- it will still move the ball down the field and create a lot of scoring opportunities without a low-round WR.

Therefore, I don't like us drafting a WR until, at the very least, the third round. There will be a handful of very good WR's available in the third round, so our emphasis should be on the DBs early.

That is just one cosmic dude's opinion....:D

I know, I just think Webster will be able to step in as well as McFadden or Wilson, I guess. Your way is better than Carl's will likely be though, that's for sure...

However, Parker has a year under his belt, Wilson will be healthy hopefully, and Boerigter will hopefully be back. That should be enough...

White and Mathis just have me salivating as true deep threats...

Roddy White, WR
College:UAB

Projected Selection:
Round2

HEIGHT 6'2"
WEIGHT 205
40 Time 4.4

Pros: Is a great deep threat, has good size and speed. Is able to create separation, tough guy. Not afraid to go over the middle.
Cons: Needs to work on the little things, improving his routes and his blocking.


Jerome Mathis

Hampton Height: 5-111/4
Position: Wide Receiver Weight: 181
Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.31
SCOUTING REPORT
Strengths: Has good size...Excellent speed...Has been very productive...Physical player and very tough...Has all the confidence in the world...A big play waiting to happen who is a threat to score everytime he gets his hands on the ball...Also a tremendous return man.

Weaknesses: Played against a lower level of competition and the jump will require a lot of adjustment...Has some character questions that need to be answered...Needs to work on his hands...Still raw and will need to work hard and be developed to reach his full potential.
Notes: Also a track All-American at Hampton...Great sleeper prospect with all the physical tools you look for as well as a lot of upside...Could surprise on Draft Day.

I know some of this can be hype, but both these kids deserve a serious look, I think.

Saulbadguy
04-18-2005, 05:51 PM
FYI...Matt Payne is actually more of a PK than a Punter.

CosmicPal
04-18-2005, 05:53 PM
I totally agree with you on Roddy White- I think he would be an excellent pick for us if we were to get him, but our needs are so much greater in the defensive backfield and linebacker spots, that I would hate to see us miss out.

Mr. Kotter
04-18-2005, 05:53 PM
FYI...Matt Payne is actually more of a PK than a Punter.

I thought he did both, but that would be fine. Tynes needs some competition. :thumb:

Saulbadguy
04-18-2005, 05:57 PM
I thought he did both, but that would be fine. Tynes needs some competition. :thumb:
He can punt in a pinch. He is a physical freak. He is like 6'5, 240 lbs, a great athlete who can tackle. I wouldn't mind taking him in the later round, but he is definately not the best Kicker or Punter available in the draft. He might not even get drafted. He is a hell of an athlete, though.

Mr. Kotter
04-18-2005, 06:02 PM
He can punt in a pinch. He is a physical freak. He is like 6'5, 240 lbs, a great athlete who can tackle. I wouldn't mind taking him in the later round, but he is definately not the best Kicker or Punter available in the draft. He might not even get drafted. He is a hell of an athlete, though.

Hell....damn.....that means CP is draftin' him a a 'project'--in the second round: it doesn't get any better than that a "P-K-SP Teams" PROJECT.... ROFL

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