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htismaqe
04-19-2005, 07:06 AM
I'm hearing more and more draftniks saying we're going to draft Erasmus James.

:banghead:

eazyb81
04-19-2005, 07:08 AM
ugh....Erasmus has bust written all over him.

They have an article in the Star this morning that is focused on him....

DAMMIT CARL!

Kyle401
04-19-2005, 07:12 AM
You mean Erasmus "Walking Injury" James the finesse pass rusher from Wisconsin? :shake:

the Talking Can
04-19-2005, 07:13 AM
oh god...if we take him over Pollack.....shit, I'm warming up my "Epic Meltdown" right now!

I'll be ready for you, CP. You pig ****er.

JimNasium
04-19-2005, 07:14 AM
Can you say "Chiefs Planet Meltdown?"

the Talking Can
04-19-2005, 07:16 AM
I'm hearing more and more draftniks saying we're going to draft Erasmus James.

:banghead:

what's funny, and sad, is that I was getting ready to post a thread with the title "We'll Get What We Want This Year"....

my point being there were too many good options for CP to screw up...of course, I underestimated the pig ****er....James....ughhh

Chiefnj
04-19-2005, 07:17 AM
He seems like a good kid and hard worker. Talented when healthy. All that being said I think Pollack and Merriman are better DE prospects for the Chiefs.

the Talking Can
04-19-2005, 07:20 AM
Posted on Tue, Apr. 19, 2005
Wisconsin standout insists injuries behind him

By RANDY COVITZ

The Kansas City Star

Perhaps no player was poked and prodded more at the NFL Scouting Combine than Wisconsin defensive end Erasmus James.

Doctors, trainers, scouts and coaches examined James' hip, which was injured so severely in 2003, he missed his entire junior season. They checked out James' ankle, which he sprained in the seventh game last year, sidelined him for one game and slowed him down for two more.

They even inspected a shoulder, just in case they might find something.

“That was from two years ago,” James said. “They kind of backtrack …The first thing when you get in there, and they're looking down your sheet, and they see that hip injury, it's a pretty big issue.”

Once James, a 6-foot-4 1/8 , 266-pounder, convinced teams his injuries are a thing of the past, he vaulted up the draft boards and could be the first defensive lineman selected in Saturday's NFL draft.

Despite missing some time because of the high ankle sprain, James tied for the Big Ten lead in sacks with 8.0 and was selected Big Ten Defensive Player and Defensive Lineman of the of the Year.

“If he was not the most dominant player in the country, he was one of them,” said Wisconsin coach Barry Alvarez. “All you had to do was turn on the film, and you'd see one guy who was at a different speed than everybody else on the field.

“Ras was not on the radar screen when the season started. No one knew Erasmus James. He wasn't on any preseason All-American teams.”

James, in fact, was known more as a basketball player in Pembroke Pines, Fla., and didn't play any high school football until the football coach at McArthur High School convinced him to go out for the team as a senior.

“I looked like a defensive end,” James said, “so he brought me out there, put me down in that stance, and ever since it's been working for me.”

James' one season of high school football was enough to draw interest from nearby Miami, Florida State and North Carolina State, but he made the unlikely decision to leave sunny Florida for snowy Wisconsin.

“It was the farthest away,” James explained, “but they'd just come off back-to-back Rose Bowls, the defensive linemen were leaving, and it was a great academic school as well.”

After sitting out his freshman year in 2000 because he was a partial qualifier, James became a starter in 2002 and was on the threshold of making the early Outland and Nagurski award lists in 2003 when pain began shooting through his hip during pre-season camp.

“It was very frightening because they said it would be about three games,” James said. “Three games came, and it just kept getting worse. Doctors in Wisconsin didn't know anything about it, they just kept comparing it to Bo Jackson, and how his career was ended. … when you put faith in doctors, and the doctors don't know what's going on. You're definitely worried.

“They sent me to a doctor with the New York Giants, and I went out and he said I didn't need surgery, just rehab.”

James returned for his senior season last year and dominated the competition until spraining the ankle when he was chop-blocked against Purdue. He helped the Badgers jump out to a 9-0 start, but Wisconsin, like James, limped to the finish, losing its last three games, including the Outback Bowl.

James elected to rest his ankle and sat out the Senior Bowl, so most of the questions teams have for him are not about his playing ability but his durability.

“The ankle's good,” James said. “I've had a good amount of time off. The hip has passed with flying colors.

“I think I've proven myself on the field this past year. But they still want to look at the hip and look at all these different issues.”


kc star (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/11428552.htm)

BigChiefFan
04-19-2005, 07:29 AM
Chuck Cook sure didn't sound sold on James and at this point, all I give a shit about is what the CHIEFS think, not what somebody specualting, thinks we MAY do. Cook sounded alot more enthusiastic about Pollack over James.

Coogs
04-19-2005, 07:32 AM
He seems like a good kid and hard worker. Talented when healthy. All that being said I think Pollack and Merriman are better DE prospects for the Chiefs.

I also think Tuck from Notre Dame in the 2nd might be a better DE choice than James.

I read on one draft profile where his comparison would be to Javon Kearse. that would work real nice IMO. Here is his profile from nfl.com...

Prospect Profiles


Justin Tuck
Position: Defensive End
College: Notre Dame
Height: 6-4
Weight: 256
Hometown: Kellyton, Ala.

Analysis | Injury Report | Agility | High School | Personal


OVERVIEW
Justin Tuck is an extremely quick and agile player who possesses very good strength for a player of his size. He was a relatively unknown prospect coming out of high school and spent his freshman season as a redshirt. But he established himself as the premier pass rusher in the history of Notre Dame football over the last two years.

Tuck was the Alabama Class 4A Player of the Year as a senior at Central Coosa County (Kellyton, Ala.) High. He lettered as a linebacker and tight end, recording 492 tackles with 37 sacks, 26 forced fumbles, 17 fumble recoveries and 115 catches for 2,106 yards and 17 touchdowns during his career. He was named the Alabama Class 4A Player of the Year as a senior in 2000. Tuck helped his team to a 10-2 record in 2000 (after 0-10 mark his freshman season) with 167 tackles, nine sacks, eight fumble recoveries, seven caused fumbles and two interceptions at middle linebacker. He also caught 19 passes at tight end for 324 yards and four touchdowns. The two-time team captain captured all-state honors as a senior and was selected for the Alabama-Mississippi All-Star Game.

Tuck averaged 17.6 points and 11.3 rebounds as a senior in basketball on a state title team that finished 23-6. The two-time captain in basketball was twice named MVP of the Alabama 4A state championship basketball team. He also won three letters in baseball as a first baseman and leftfielder.

The cousin of Baltimore Ravens defensive end Adalius Thomas, Tuck spent his 2001 season redshirting as a 235-pound outside linebacker. In 2002, He moved to defensive end, appearing in every game and earning one start. He finished that campaign with 44 tackles, five sacks, 10 stops for losses, a forced fumble and five pass deflections.

Tuck had a breakout year in 2003, setting the school single-season record with 13½ sacks, adding 73 tackles, three forced fumbles and 19 stops behind the line of scrimmage. However, in the season finale vs. Syracuse, he tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee, undergoing surgery in December. The injury would sideline him for 2004 spring drills.

In 2004, Tuck faced constant double-team coverage and did not match his lofty statistics from the previous season, as he still had some problems with his knee, which eventually prevented him from playing vs. Oregon State in the Insight.com Bowl. He concluded the season with 47 tackles, six sacks and 14 stops for losses.

Tuck holds the Notre Dame career-record with 24½ sacks, topping the previous mark of 22½ by Kory Minor (1995-98). For his career, he totaled 164 tackles (113 solo) with 43 stops for losses of 210 yards, four forced fumbles and seven pass deflections. His 43 stops behind the line of scrimmage broke the previous school all-time record of 42 by Anthony Weaver (1998-2001).


ANAYLSIS
Tuck has a developing frame with good muscle development, but still needs to increase his strength to combat the larger defenders at the pro level. He shows good quickness off the ball, along with above-average hand usage and lateral agility to slip blocks. He has very good agility and balance to play on his feet. Tuck uses his hands well to protect himself from cut blocks, but needs to separate and shed quicker when locked on.

He can bend his knees and play with leverage, but is not real stout to anchor at the point of attack or to take on pulling offensive guards on traps. He has very good instincts and awareness, as he is quick to squeeze vs. down blocks.

He has above average anchoring ability, but can still be driven back when run against. Tuck is more of a factor on plays away in which he's quick to redirect and chase from the backside. He also pursues downfield with good effort and speed. He has quickness coming across the blocker's face and enough strength to collapse the lane vs. inside runs. Tuck shows a good burst to the ball when working inside and the speed to chase down ball carriers. He runs well in the open, giving good effort to chase and pursue. He also takes good angles to the ball and has a good take-off on his pass rush.

On running plays, he needs to square his base better, as he will turn his shoulders and get sealed off some at the point of attack. Still, he comes off the line with good pad level and body lean. He can burst around the corner with speed, loop through the gaps with quickness or bull rush straight up with power.

He also shows a very good upfield burst and hand technique (good pop & jerk, rip, swim back inside) with the hip flip to get an edge. He can dip and bend the corner and has explosive acceleration to the quarterback when he comes free.

Tuck can also perform in a two-point stance as well as drop in coverage in some zone blitz situations. He's a solid tackler, aggressive to get to the ball and will bring his hips and unload on ball carriers. His biggest question is his ability to hold up at the point due to a frame that looks lean in the lower body. Still, he never gives up in pursuit, makes every effort to close rush lanes and has the sudden burst to make opposite field tackles. He has good burst to close and the body control to capture ball carriers in space.

He makes some very big hits on the move and while he might not have the lower-body strength to hold his ground vs. the larger blockers, he is superb in working on stunts and getting through the gaps. His speed allows him to reduce the pocket and he has shown the acceleration needed to come off the edge and get to the quarterback. He has good burst in his pass rush and can generate consistent pressure on the pocket. He has the burst and acceleration needed to work in space and changes direction as if he was a 225-pounder.

The main thing Tuck portrays on film is his aggressiveness and ability to play at a high intensity level. In a scheme that will allow him to stunt and play uncontested off the edge, some team could find a difference maker here. One issue that will have to be dealt with is his right knee, as the 2003 injury continued to affect his play in 2004 and finally forced him to sit out the Insight.com Bowl. Look for someone to take him in the first round, if they are confident that he will overcome his knee problem.


INJURY REPORT
2003: Saw limited action vs. Michigan State due to a shoulder contusion … Suffered a torn ACL in his right knee during the season finale vs. Syracuse … Underwent reconstructive surgery in December.

2004: Missed spring drills with an ankle sprain and to continue recovering from right knee surgery … Did not play in the Insight.com Bowl due to swelling in his right knee.


AGILITY
4.56 in the 40-yard dash (wind-aided) … 4.62 in the 40-yard dash … 380-pound bench press … 560-pound squat … 336-pound power clean … 34½-inch vertical jump … 33Ύ-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands.


HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Central Coosa County (Kellyton, Ala.) High … Named the Alabama Class 4A Player of the Year as a senior in 2000 … Helped his team to a 10-2 record in 2000 (after 0-10 mark his freshman season) with 167 tackles, nine sacks, eight fumble recoveries, seven caused fumbles and two interceptions at middle linebacker … Also caught 19 passes at tight end for 324 yards and four touchdowns … His career totals included 492 tackles, 37 sacks, 26 caused fumbles, 17 fumble receivers, 115 receptions for 2,106 yards and 17 touchdowns … First-team Alabama All-State at tight end in 1999 … Captain as both a junior and senior … Earned Alabama All-State honors as a senior … Selected for the Alabama-Mississippi All-Star Game … Averaged 17.6 points and 11.3 rebounds as a senior in basketball on a state title team that finished 23-6 … Four-year letterman and two-time captain in basketball … Two-time MVP of the Alabama 4A state championship basketball team with a 28-2 record as a junior … Won three letters in baseball as a first baseman and leftfielder.


PERSONAL
Will graduate in May 2005 with a degree in Management … Enrolled in the Mendoza College of Business … Tuck's cousin, Adalius Thomas, played football at Southern Mississippi and is now a defensive end with the Baltimore Ravens … Sister, Tiffany, played basketball at Lincoln University … Born Justin Lee Tuck on March 29, 1983 … Resides in Kellyton, Ala.

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ChiTown
04-19-2005, 07:37 AM
You mean Erasmus "Walking Injury" James the finesse pass rusher from Wisconsin? :shake:

Didn't we already have Erasmus James on this team...........................R-Kal Truluck= 6'4 260# pass rusher/finese guy :banghead:

Mr. Kotter
04-19-2005, 07:57 AM
If we are gonna go....Surtain, OLB, DE, and CB, essentially in the first for rounds (plus comp next yr for Surtain), then I'm with Coogs; I like Tuck in the second....after drafting Davis or Ware in the first. THEN we go nickle CB in the third round with a guy like McFadden, Webster, or Foxworth.

FTR, here's what ESPN is saying about James:

Erasmus James
DE | (6'4", 266, 4.78) | WISCONSIN

Scouts Grade: 93

Flags: (D: DURABILITY) Player that can't stay healthy
View by: Round | Player | NCAA School | Position | NFL Team | Flag | All Ranked Players | NFL Draft History

Strengths: Has adequate overall size, a terrific frame and the potential to get bigger. Has a powerful upper body. Knocks offensive linemen back upon initial contact. Is athletic and smooth. Has the COD skills to work back inside as a pass rusher. Has long arms and has learned to use them well. Has shown much improved array of pass rush moves. Is quicker than fast. Has very good anticipation and initial quickness. Fires off the ball quickly and with good leverage Has good instincts and does a fine job of locating the ball. Is disciplined for such a productive pass rusher. Does a good job of keeping contain. Played with a much higher motor in 2004. Fights through double teams and shows terrific stamina. Shows very good closing burst to the quarterback. Is a powerful tackler that also has improved in terms of wrapping up in space. Will chase and pursue versus the run.

Weaknesses: Lack of ideal base is a concern. Still needs to improve lower body strength. Must be able to hold his ground better at the POA in the NFL. Has adequate top-end speed for an edge rusher but not elite. Won't be able to turn the corner as easily in the NFL. Durability is a severe concern.

Overall: James improved his draft value as much or more than any other prospect in the 2005 class as a senior in 2004. After sitting out the entire 2003 season with a hip injury there were lots of questions about James' durability, shape, explosiveness and strength. With 34 total tackles, including 11.5 tackles for loss and eight sacks in 10-of-11 regular season games played in 2004, the fifth-year senior put a lot of those fears to rest. James did miss one game in 2004 due to an ankle injury but it was not serious and he showed no ill effects from the previous season's hip injury. James lacks elite top-end speed and he still must improve his bulk and lower body strength, but his improvement as a senior shocking. He played with better technique, a much higher motor, showed more power at the POA and also showed much more explosive burst when closing in on the quarterback/ball carrier. He could slip a little bit due to his durability concerns but James played his way into the first round of the upcoming draft.

shaneo69
04-19-2005, 08:26 AM
I haven't really seen anyone saying that we're going to take him. But that said, if we did pick him, I would be happy because it means Hicks' ass is on the bench.

Has anyone checked out the video clips on ESPN.com of the top 25 prospects? It's free; go over there and take a look at James' video and tell me who he reminds you of. He looks like a true DE, not a hybrid LB/DE, and if he puts on 15 lbs, he would be the prototype size. Then look at Pollack's video. I'm sorry, but the guy does not look big enough to be a DE.

I wouldn't be too disappointed with James.

htismaqe
04-19-2005, 08:30 AM
I just hope we don't draft him. He's gonna be a huge bust.

tyton75
04-19-2005, 08:41 AM
I actually saw some game footage of him yesterday from the NFL Draft coverage on ESPN that I taped... he is REALLY good with his hands... and he has the ability to get the Tackle off balance..

he's not in my top 8 that i would like us to get, but he's a player if he stays healthy

ct
04-19-2005, 08:45 AM
I am all for Tuck in the 2nd!!

Chiefs Pantalones
04-19-2005, 08:49 AM
Of course we will, he's a Holliday/Hicks clone.

Brock
04-19-2005, 08:55 AM
I doubt it, but I'd wait and see what he does in his rookie season before I complained about it.

bricks
04-19-2005, 09:56 AM
Now how exactly do we know James is a bust? the guy hasn't even played a down in the NFL, and people on this board are calling him a bust? :shake:

I sure wouldn't mind if the chiefs drafted a DE in the first round...Pollack would be my first choice, then James. James is in my top 10 of players I want the Chiefs to draft. Eric Hicks isn't exactly the PLAYER on this defense...Any upgrade we can get over him I'd be pleased.

SCTrojan
04-19-2005, 10:09 AM
My problem isn't with James or any DE available for that matter.

It all comes down to how the draft evolves, but I think that drafting a CB or LB with #15 is more logical.

Of the three units on D, I would argue that D-line had the most talent, depth and productivity last year. That's only improved with the addition of Carlos Hall and a year of experience for Siavii.

Granted, this is kind of like saying of all the sucky units on defense, the D-line is the best, but that's the wonder that is the Chiefs defense.

PastorMikH
04-19-2005, 10:19 AM
The thought of throwing another high pick and a D Lineman troubles me. Sure our DL needs help, but that is the one spot we have drafted more people at than any other (4 DL vs 1 LB, 2 DB since DV came to town) - and even after spending first day draft picks on 4 DL over the last couple of years, our D Line still needs help and half of those draft picks are gone, one doesn't play, and the other is a big dissapointment. I am convinced that this team either can't scout the quality DL Players, or can't develope them.

Add to the mix that right now our DL is probably the place where we have the most depth, and LB and CB are real problems, I don't think picking up a DL project with a first day pick without addressing the immediate needs first is a good idea. I'm more than a bit concerned with our LB situation on opening day. Fuji just had surgery, Mitchel hasn't showed me anything impressive yet, Fox doesn't have enough PT for me to even develope an opinion of him yet, and Caver has already been a bust for another team. Right now, I'm seeing Bell for sure, the other 2 LB spots are crap shoots. As for CBs, anyone else comfortable with Bartee starting?

I think we need LB help FIRST, followed by a CB. Then we can talk
about another DL without me getting irritated.

whoman69
04-19-2005, 10:19 AM
Of course the experts think we will draft James. He is the most likely player that will be available to us to go bust. Aside from the injury issues, he has been cited for not playing hard all the time and having a lack of leverage to fight off blocks. We'll fool them. For the first time since '97, our first round pick is going to be worth a damn.

BigChiefFan
04-19-2005, 10:46 AM
I just hope we don't draft him. He's gonna be a huge bust.
He's definitely a possibilty of being a bust, but proclaiming it as fact is a bit premature don't you think?

Bowser
04-19-2005, 11:02 AM
We're not going to draft a defensive end in the first round. That would mean we would carry 5 DE's - Hicks, Allen, Hall, and Wilkerson. If we cut Wilkerson, that would be a mistake. All he needs playing time.

There are a couple of exceptions, but if we take anything other than linebacker or corner in the first, I will be pissed.

Mr. Kotter
04-19-2005, 11:06 AM
We're not going to draft a defensive end in the first round. That would mean we would carry 5 DE's - Hicks, Allen, Hall, and Wilkerson. If we cut Wilkerson, that would be a mistake. All he needs playing time.

There are a couple of exceptions, but if we take anything other than linebacker or corner in the first, I will be pissed.

I think you are probably right; that's why I think we're more likely to go OLB/CB/WR....with BAA deciding which in each round, for our first three picks.

old_geezer
04-19-2005, 11:36 AM
An old geezer's thoughts on the Chief's draft process. First of all, we have to trade that 2nd for Surtain. He's worth it and I really don't think Miami would accept our 4th this year and another pick in next year's draft. Would you trade Larry Johnson for Miami's 4th round pick this year and a 3rd or 4th next year. (just an example). I sure as hell wouldn't, and Surtain is worth more that Johnson.

If we aquire Surtain, I don't think we will pick a CB in the first round. The CB's are plentiful this year and the Chiefs can address their need for a nickleback in the 3rd or 4th round. I think the Chiefs will do everything they can to trade down with their #1 to aquire another high pick. With their two high picks they would hope to select either Thomas Davis (who I am beginning to think is the best possibility for a WSLB this year ) or Kevin Burnett; and a DE such as David Pollack or Matt Roth.

If they stay put at #15 I think the only logical choice would be Erasmus James..........or if they did not aquire Surtain; they would have to draft DB - most likely Rogers.

There is quality depth at DE and CB this year in the draft. I don't think there is a LB or DT worth our #15 pick.

(This is of course assuming that Derrick Johnson is long gone by the time we pick)

Rausch
04-19-2005, 11:43 AM
There are a couple of exceptions, but if we take anything other than linebacker or corner in the first, I will be pissed.

Ditto...

SCTrojan
04-19-2005, 11:45 AM
FWIW, Dr. Z from Sports Illustrated has us picking Davis from Georgia with the #15 pick. Not sure if this link will work, but I can't really cut and paste the format, so here it is:

http://premium.si.cnn.com/pr/subs/siexclusive/2005/pr/subs/siexclusive/04/18/drz.mockdraft0425/index.html

He uses this quote: "I know, 15th is awful high for a safety," Dick Vermeil says, "but this guy can do so many amazing things, I can't pass him up."

Rausch
04-19-2005, 11:46 AM
FWIW, Dr. Z from Sports Illustrated has us picking Davis from Georgia with the #15 pick. Not sure if this link will work, but I can't really cut and paste the format, so here it is:

http://premium.si.cnn.com/pr/subs/siexclusive/2005/pr/subs/siexclusive/04/18/drz.mockdraft0425/index.html

He uses this quote: "I know, 15th is awful high for a safety," Dick Vermeil says, "but this guy can do so many amazing things, I can't pass him up."

I'll throw my ****ing television out the window...

Tribal Warfare
04-19-2005, 11:51 AM
if they convert him to OLB I wouldn't mind it. Chuck Cook is saying Safety, but Gun would put him at OLB.

TRR
04-19-2005, 11:52 AM
Matt Roth was a better DE in the Big Ten last season. I would take Roth over James, although Roth doesn't have the size.

Mr. Laz
04-19-2005, 11:55 AM
Chuck Cook is saying Safety, but Gun would put him at OLB.

and you are going by?

Tribal Warfare
04-19-2005, 11:58 AM
The surplus on safety's Woods, Wesley, Knight, Hart

eazyb81
04-19-2005, 12:00 PM
Our only real options at 15 are Carlos Rogers or Thomas Davis. Anyone else would probably be a reach at that point. I would love it if we drafted Davis as an OLB, but I think Vermeil and CP are way too scared to do something like that. That is something smart that a team like the Ravens would do.

Rausch
04-19-2005, 12:01 PM
and you are going by?

Probably the fact that we've already had a safety play both CB positions, both OLB positions, and defensive ****ing end...

Stills should be an OLB, not an undersized pass rushing DE.

We take a S with the no 15 pick and I'm turning it off. I don't even want to get that pissed again... :shake:

PastorMikH
04-19-2005, 12:02 PM
if they convert him to OLB I wouldn't mind it. Chuck Cook is saying Safety, but Gun would put him at OLB.



No, that's not how it works. We turn Safeties into CBs here. If you want a LB, you draft a DE and move him to LB.

Otter
04-19-2005, 12:33 PM
FWIW, Dr. Z from Sports Illustrated has us picking Davis from Georgia with the #15 pick. Not sure if this link will work, but I can't really cut and paste the format, so here it is:

http://premium.si.cnn.com/pr/subs/siexclusive/2005/pr/subs/siexclusive/04/18/drz.mockdraft0425/index.html

He uses this quote: "I know, 15th is awful high for a safety," Dick Vermeil says, "but this guy can do so many amazing things, I can't pass him up."

ROFLROFLROFL

I would piss my pants. Learning from their mistakes never have been much of a 'Chief Quality'.

My emotional, financial and time investment is ZERO until Peterson is gone or he proves that the first 16 year sample pool was a fluke. Actually I don't think a sixteen year sample pool can be a fluke...

Allow me to rephrase; until Peterson is gone or he pulls a fluke season out his ass.

Brock
04-19-2005, 12:41 PM
I'll throw my ****ing television out the window...

He may be the best defensive player on the board overall. I wouldn't be pissed at all.

eazyb81
04-19-2005, 12:46 PM
He may be the best defensive player on the board overall. I wouldn't be pissed at all.

No kidding, the guy is just a great football player. Just because there is an "S" by his name doesn't mean that is the only position he can play. He has played both OLB positions and both safety positions and has been successful at each one. If we pick him at 15 I will a happy man.

shaneo69
04-19-2005, 12:52 PM
No kidding, the guy is just a great football player. Just because there is an "S" by his name doesn't mean that is the only position he can play. He has played both OLB positions and both safety positions and has been successful at each one. If we pick him at 15 I will a happy man.

I think it'll be pretty funny when we draft him and then he beats out Sammy Knight for the SS position. Because that's his best position. Better yet, let's draft him and make Davis, Wesley, and Knight our LB's, and let Pile start at SS.

Brock
04-19-2005, 12:55 PM
I just want somebody who tackles and does it with authority. Sad to say, the last guy I saw on the field doing that was Mazlowski. This arm tackling shit has got to go.

htismaqe
04-19-2005, 01:00 PM
He's definitely a possibilty of being a bust, but proclaiming it as fact is a bit premature don't you think?

I've watched him his entire college career. Never have I been more sure of "bustdom".

He's prototypically lazy, disappearing for drives at a time. He's got a strange combination of too much height and not enough weight.

And to top it all off, he's fragile.

Rausch
04-19-2005, 01:01 PM
He may be the best defensive player on the board overall. I wouldn't be pissed at all.

If I knew that the coaching staff would, FOR A FACT, move him to OLB I'd be fine with that.

But I don't think they will. No, they're too ****ign brilliant to do that. He'll end up be told to add weight and play DE, or nickelback, or told he has to compete with Woods/Wesley for a job...

Brock
04-19-2005, 01:18 PM
If I knew that the coaching staff would, FOR A FACT, move him to OLB I'd be fine with that.

IMO, it makes no difference if he's a linebacker or a safety. He's a playmaker on defense.

As for the coaching staff, who cares? Davis will still be here long after they're gone.

whoman69
04-19-2005, 01:22 PM
No, that's not how it works. We turn Safeties into CBs here. If you want a LB, you draft a DE and move him to LB.
:shake: sad but true

htismaqe
04-19-2005, 04:19 PM
As for the coaching staff, who cares? Davis will still be here long after they're gone.

Wow, you gave me some HOPE.

Thanks!

:thumb:

nascher
04-19-2005, 04:34 PM
Have you listened to Chuck Cook yesterday ? We won't draft James.

Rain Man
04-19-2005, 05:10 PM
No, that's not how it works. We turn Safeties into CBs here. If you want a LB, you draft a DE and move him to LB.

I think the key is just converting somebody to something. The specifics are immaterial.

HolmeZz
04-19-2005, 05:33 PM
Yeah, I seriously want no part of James. Injuries aside, I never considered him one of the better DEs in the country to begin with. I think he was the product of playing on a pretty good DLine, much like I think Blackstock was the product of playing in a great LB core.

beer bacon
04-19-2005, 05:38 PM
Now how exactly do we know James is a bust? the guy hasn't even played a down in the NFL, and people on this board are calling him a bust? :shake:

I sure wouldn't mind if the chiefs drafted a DE in the first round...Pollack would be my first choice, then James. James is in my top 10 of players I want the Chiefs to draft. Eric Hicks isn't exactly the PLAYER on this defense...Any upgrade we can get over him I'd be pleased.

I bet there are many DEs we could get in the second or third that would be an upgrade over Hicks. Would you be fine with us drafting one of them at 15? I want us spending our first round pick on someone that is worthy of it. I don't care where James is rated by sports commentators. He has not proven he is worth the 15th pick. No reason to take an injury prone guy that has one year of good play at that spot.

Our only real options at 15 are Carlos Rogers or Thomas Davis. Anyone else would probably be a reach at that point. I would love it if we drafted Davis as an OLB, but I think Vermeil and CP are way too scared to do something like that. That is something smart that a team like the Ravens would do.

I think Pollack wouldn't be a reach at 15.

eazyb81
04-19-2005, 05:42 PM
I think Pollack wouldn't be a reach at 15.

Probably not, but i'm really against taking another DE in the 1st round. We already have 4 or 5 DEs, we really don't need another, especially in the 1st round.

BigChiefFan
04-19-2005, 05:44 PM
I've watched him his entire college career. Never have I been more sure of "bustdom".

He's prototypically lazy, disappearing for drives at a time. He's got a strange combination of too much height and not enough weight.

And to top it all off, he's fragile.
Like I said earlier according to Cook it's a moot point anyway, however James could also turn into a good player. I agree, he has bust written all over him, but that doesn't mean he is a bust just yet. I think he goes in the 2nd round or late first just for the record. Calling him a bust before he's even played a down, is only seeing the bust potential, than both sides of the coin.

beer bacon
04-19-2005, 05:45 PM
Like I said earlier according to Cook it's a moot point anyway, however James could also turn into a good player. I agree, he has bust written all over him, but that doesn't mean he is a bust just yet. I think he goes in the 2nd round or late first just for the record. Calling him a bust before he's even played a down, is only seeing the bust potential, than both sides of the coin.

Maybe Carl has a thing for James and will override our scouting staff so he won't shatter his reputation.

Dayze
04-19-2005, 06:17 PM
He's a risk, and would be a reach.
Unlike drafting a 2nd-3rd round talent DT with the 8th overall.

I'm convinced who ever the Chiefs get, he will not be worth a F.

PastorMikH
04-19-2005, 06:34 PM
I think the key is just converting somebody to something. The specifics are immaterial.



Yeah, I remember Greg Robinson used to try and convert DTs to safetys.

blueballs
05-27-2008, 05:03 PM
Vikings | Team trades E. James
Tue, 27 May 2008 15:06:51 -0700

Updating a previous report, The Minnesota Vikings traded DL Erasmus James to the Washington Redskins for a conditional seventh-round draft pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. The Vikings originally waived James Friday, May 23, but rescinded the transaction Tuesday, May 27, and finalized the trade with the Redskins.


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