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Taco John
04-19-2005, 02:44 PM
As several people know, I live in the Portland, Oregon area... A northwest boy through and through, having grown up in Southern Idaho and moved here 5 years ago...

Well, this city has an NBA team, and minor league hockey and baseball... Not to mention we're getting a Nascar race track here soon, and two rather large Indian casino resorts that will provide the locals with some Vegas style entertainment. People are looking forward to the growth that we're experiencing...

But we lack a major league team, and the residents have been clamouring for one for years. We were hoping we could get the Expos, but that was a bit of a pipe-dream, IMO.

We have a local ballpark that the local minor league baseball team plays in, and there is talk about expanding that ball park to attract a major league team... Well, listening to the radio the other day, they local sports jockeys were narrowing down the best shot that Portland has of getting a baseball team... and that best shot they determined was the Royals...

Their reasoning was that KC has it's hands full needing to either build a new stadium or expand Arrowhead, and that it's not likely that they will be able to also take care of the Royals needs for a new stadium. They didn't say anything about attendance though for Royals games... How good/bad is it?

I just thought it was interesting and figured I'd share what hungry markets for baseball outside of you area are saying... I hate the thought of stealing a team from a market that enjoys it, strictly for money reasons... But it's a hell of a drive to get to a Mariners game, and having followed the last few seasons, I'm starting to love baseball again... So I guess I'll take what I can get...

the Talking Can
04-19-2005, 02:47 PM
Royals will be gone from KC within a decade.

Who knows where...where ever the most money is.

Saulbadguy
04-19-2005, 02:47 PM
If the Royals move, i'd still root for em wherever they go, until a new team moved in.

Count Alex's Losses
04-19-2005, 02:48 PM
You're not a Rockies fan eh?

Chiefs Pantalones
04-19-2005, 02:48 PM
Bye, Royals.

I wouldn't mind it one bit.

Saulbadguy
04-19-2005, 02:49 PM
He's a closet Seahawks fan.

tyton75
04-19-2005, 02:53 PM
I would be phucking pissed.. I love the Royals being here and I love going to see them play.. and this upcoming collective bargaining agreement better phucking fix baseball...

how much fun would it be to have a competitive team at the K... I would look forward to it as much as Football season then.. at least ever other team is relatively on equal footing!

Chiefs Pantalones
04-19-2005, 02:58 PM
I would be phucking pissed.. I love the Royals being here and I love going to see them play.. and this upcoming collective bargaining agreement better phucking fix baseball...

how much fun would it be to have a competitive team at the K... I would look forward to it as much as Football season then.. at least ever other team is relatively on equal footing!

Competitive?

Man, you're not hard to please, are you? I bet you have sex for like 3 minutes.

HemiEd
04-19-2005, 03:00 PM
Another TJ stir the pot post, yadayadayada....

ENDelt260
04-19-2005, 03:01 PM
I'll trade ya the Royals for two pounds of blueberry.

Taco John
04-19-2005, 03:03 PM
You're not a Rockies fan eh?


http://members.chello.at/bruno.preschern/MARINERS.jpg

Chiefs Pantalones
04-19-2005, 03:03 PM
http://members.chello.at/bruno.preschern/MARINERS.jpg

ROFL Spell it out.

Taco John
04-19-2005, 03:04 PM
Another TJ stir the post post, yadayadayada....



How in the world is this a stir the pot post? I mean, other than Endelt trying to barter the team for a quantity of weed...

You're an idiot. Did you even read the post?

vckcchiefs04
04-19-2005, 03:05 PM
As soon as the lease is up you might have a prayer..... see ya in 2017. Plus the Royals always draw at least 20,000 per game every year and draw around 1.5 million a year, one of the highest per capita in MLB. Will not happen anytime soon....

KCTitus
04-19-2005, 03:09 PM
Probably wouldnt have to upgrade the stadium...the Royals are minor league already. MLB just needs to relegate them.

HemiEd
04-19-2005, 03:09 PM
How in the world is this a stir the pot post? I mean, other than Endelt trying to barter the team for a quantity of weed...

You're an idiot.


If you think that you are not stirring the concerns of KC fans with this post then you are dumber than any idiot. You are a punk.

ENDelt260
04-19-2005, 03:12 PM
TJ, I'll take that pot unstirred.

Thanks.

Taco John
04-19-2005, 03:14 PM
If you think that you are not stirring the concerns of KC fans with this post then you are dumber than any idiot. You are a punk.



Yeah, based on the reaction of those in this thread, it sounds like you're exactly right... People are awfully damned concerned... ROFL


Listen dork. Reading comprehension... I made no taunts in this thread. I'm merely trying to gather information about a team that our local guys are mentioning as a candidate for Portland baseball. Whether it's a legitimate candidate or not, I don't know... which is why I started the thread.

Based on the reaction of the folks in this thread, it seems they just might be... Whether we're getting a prize or not is another matter entirely...

Taco John
04-19-2005, 03:15 PM
TJ, I'll take that pot unstirred.

Thanks.


ROFL

ChiefsCountry
04-19-2005, 03:18 PM
I used to post some at MLB Portland site. They have the demographics that MLB wants, they need a ballpark bad. PGE Park is a good minor league park. Ironically, most of those fans thought KC was a great market and was envious of Kansas City. The Royals were team that wasn't even on their radar. If Portland gets a team, look for it to be either a) expansion team or b) KC's former team, Athletics.

Taco John
04-19-2005, 03:26 PM
I used to post some at MLB Portland site. They have the demographics that MLB wants, they need a ballpark bad. PGE Park is a good minor league park. Ironically, most of those fans thought KC was a great market and was envious of Kansas City. The Royals were team that wasn't even on their radar. If Portland gets a team, look for it to be either a) expansion team or b) KC's former team, Athletics.



Well, the discussion that these sports jockeys were having kept the A's in Oakland. They figured that because of the personal ties between Selig and the A's owner, and the fact that MLB does *not* want to lose a team in Oakland, that there was no way the A's would be moving. I guess Selig and the A's owner were roomies in college or something.

They all but ruled out the A's as well as expansion. That's when they mentioned the Royals as the next best candidate for Portland baseball...

You're right that we need a ballpark, but the local leaders are insistent that there are some very great plans for PGE expansion. They believe they can turn it into a first class facility. I'm skeptical, but the local sports jockeys seem sold on it, and they follow it a lot more closely than I do.

I guess the feeling is that it's just a matter of time before we get *some* team. They might be homers, but they feel we've got the best roadmap to MLB than any city out there right now, including Vegas...

HemiEd
04-19-2005, 03:28 PM
Yeah, based on the reaction of those in this thread, it sounds like you're exactly right... People are awfully damned concerned... ROFL


Listen dork. Reading comprehension... I made no taunts in this thread. I'm merely trying to gather information about a team that our local guys are mentioning as a candidate for Portland baseball. Whether it's a legitimate candidate or not, I don't know... which is why I started the thread.

Based on the reaction of the folks in this thread, it seems they just might be... Whether we're getting a prize or not is another matter entirely...

Dumbass, read your own thread title: Will KC be able to protect their Asset? If you think that is not a taunt then you are just plain stupid.

ChiefsCountry
04-19-2005, 03:34 PM
Well, the discussion that these sports jockeys were having kept the A's in Oakland. They figured that because of the personal ties between Selig and the A's owner, and the fact that MLB does *not* want to lose a team in Oakland, that there was no way the A's would be moving. I guess Selig and the A's owner were roomies in college or something.

They all but ruled out the A's as well as expansion. That's when they mentioned the Royals as the next best candidate for Portland baseball...

You're right that we need a ballpark, but the local leaders are insistent that there are some very great plans for PGE expansion. They believe they can turn it into a first class facility. I'm skeptical, but the local sports jockeys seem sold on it, and they follow it a lot more closely than I do.

I guess the feeling is that it's just a matter of time before we get *some* team. They might be homers, but they feel we've got the best roadmap to MLB than any city out there right now, including Vegas...

Is there room at PGE Park to make it MLB size? 2 years ago, they said no. Now they think they can make it a MLB park. Oh well, A's are still Portland's team to lose. Oakland won't get a new park, its San Francisco's market. They boot the A's out, its going to strengthing 2 teams. But this MLB we are talking about. Good folks up in Portland, but those sport jocks don't seem to know much Royals are a safe franchise and thats not a homer statment either. Also I dont think this is a taunt from Taco, Portland is looking for a team and the Royals were menionted.

StcChief
04-19-2005, 03:40 PM
Why would you want another AAA team.?

eazyb81
04-19-2005, 03:54 PM
I would have hated this a couple years ago, but now I say good riddance Royals. MLB has proven that they could care less about small-market teams, they think we should just be happy having a major league team. Who cares if they are competitive? I am SO sick of the Royals losing year after year and hoping, PRAYING, that we finish .500.....it is truly pathetic. I hate Major League Baseball and I could care less about the Royals leaving if they continue running the small-market teams into the ground. I say bring in an NBA or NHL team to take up shop in the Sprint Center.

beavis
04-19-2005, 03:56 PM
Yeah, based on the reaction of those in this thread, it sounds like you're exactly right... People are awfully damned concerned... ROFL

....

Based on the reaction of the folks in this thread, it seems they just might be... Whether we're getting a prize or not is another matter entirely...
Consider your sample. This is a football board. I wouldn't expect everyone here to be a baseball fan.

The truth is, like anywhere else, attendence is better when the team is winning. April of 2003 we were in first place for most of the month, and the stadium started filling up. I went to more 30,000+ games that year than I had in all years since 94 combined. This town has a history of supporting the team, I think a lot of people are just sick of losing.

I don't know the demographics of Portland, but I wouldn't think it'd be any more of an attractive market than KC is. Given that MLB pretty much shunned Portland and Las Vegas to move to a market that is an hour away from a city that already has team, I don't see why they'd be jumping at the chance to move into another small market now.

Plus, the Royals are tied to this town per the terms of the sale agreement to Glass. There is virtually no way they would be able to move anytime in the forseeable future. Mr. K put a lot of stipulations in the succession plan that made sure of that. Not to mention, Selig nor Glass would allow it to happen. Anyone who rattles off the "Royals will be gone in 5 years" line is ignorant of the situation..

Eventually, a new stadium deal will be passed in some form. They'll keep putting it on the ballot until it passes.

beavis
04-19-2005, 04:00 PM
They all but ruled out the A's as well as expansion. That's when they mentioned the Royals as the next best candidate for Portland baseball...

Yeah, baseball won't be expanding anytime soon. The dumbasses should have never added the last 4 teams they did.

Sounds to me like it was pure speculation on their part. I've heard Tampa mentioned as a possible relocation candidate. Florida was too, but I think they just passed their new stadium deal if I'm not mistaken.

Thig Lyfe
04-19-2005, 04:07 PM
It's hard to imagine anyone coveting the Royals...

ChiefsCountry
04-19-2005, 04:11 PM
I don't know the demographics of Portland, but I wouldn't think it'd be any more of an attractive market than KC is. Given that MLB pretty much shunned Portland and Las Vegas to move to a market that is an hour away from a city that already has team, I don't see why they'd be jumping at the chance to move into another small market now.


If you are talking about Portland being an hour from Seattle, you are wrong, its a good 3 hours away. Its like KC to St. Louis.

tk13
04-19-2005, 04:17 PM
If you are talking about Portland being an hour from Seattle, you are wrong, its a good 3 hours away. Its like KC to St. Louis.
He was referring to the fact that with the Expos, they chose to move it to D.C. over Portland... when there's already a team near the D.C. market.

beavis
04-19-2005, 04:18 PM
He was referring to the fact that with the Expos, they chose to move it to D.C. over Portland... when there's already a team near the D.C. market.
Yep.

Taco John
04-19-2005, 04:23 PM
Dumbass, read your own thread title: Will KC be able to protect their Asset? If you think that is not a taunt then you are just plain stupid.


:deevee:


Are you still whining about this? How about you quit being such a troll in this thread and either talk about the subject or STFU?

Taco John
04-19-2005, 04:27 PM
Why would you want another AAA team.?



We just want MLB man... People here LOVE the Mariners, but hate the drive. I think baseball would TAKE OFF here... And even if they were bad, they'd be Portland's lovable losers. The honeymoon would last at least five years...

dave0320
04-19-2005, 04:37 PM
As long as David Glass heads up this team it will not go any where. He's in it for the profit only. Miles Prentice was not the answer, but this guy is a joke. Worse team in MLB, so he cuts payroll.
A new satdium for this team is a joke. Last night attendence under 10,000~ Only games of interest, St. Louis, N.Y. & Boston.

beavis
04-19-2005, 04:41 PM
As long as David Glass heads up this team it will not go any where. He's in it for the profit only. Miles Prentice was not the answer, but this guy is a joke. Worse team in MLB, so he cuts payroll.
A new satdium for this team is a joke. Last night attendence under 10,000~ Only games of interest, St. Louis, N.Y. & Boston.
:shake:

Wow. He's only in it for the profit. That's perhaps the most moronic comment I've seen on this subject thus far.

HemiEd
04-19-2005, 04:46 PM
:deevee:


Are you still whining about this? How about you quit being such a troll in this thread and either talk about the subject or STFU?


Actually my post was an hour before your response. Is this all you could come up with in that period? I did talk about the subject that I think you truly intended here and you denied it. 4321

KingPriest2
04-19-2005, 04:49 PM
Isn't KC bigger in market size than Portland? The move wouldn't make sense.

Valiant
04-19-2005, 04:50 PM
As several people know, I live in the Portland, Oregon area... A northwest boy through and through, having grown up in Southern Idaho and moved here 5 years ago...

Well, this city has an NBA team, and minor league hockey and baseball... Not to mention we're getting a Nascar race track here soon, and two rather large Indian casino resorts that will provide the locals with some Vegas style entertainment. People are looking forward to the growth that we're experiencing...

But we lack a major league team, and the residents have been clamouring for one for years. We were hoping we could get the Expos, but that was a bit of a pipe-dream, IMO.

We have a local ballpark that the local minor league baseball team plays in, and there is talk about expanding that ball park to attract a major league team... Well, listening to the radio the other day, they local sports jockeys were narrowing down the best shot that Portland has of getting a baseball team... and that best shot they determined was the Royals...

Their reasoning was that KC has it's hands full needing to either build a new stadium or expand Arrowhead, and that it's not likely that they will be able to also take care of the Royals needs for a new stadium. They didn't say anything about attendance though for Royals games... How good/bad is it?

I just thought it was interesting and figured I'd share what hungry markets for baseball outside of you area are saying... I hate the thought of stealing a team from a market that enjoys it, strictly for money reasons... But it's a hell of a drive to get to a Mariners game, and having followed the last few seasons, I'm starting to love baseball again... So I guess I'll take what I can get...



Problem for you is... The royals make money... And a lease...

jettio
04-19-2005, 04:51 PM
I remember one of the funniest post ever on Chiefs planet was when Portland, home of the minor league Beavers was trying to get the Expos and someone posted that if the Expos relocated to Portland they ought to name the team the Expos Beavers, since that is what the Portland women do with maximum frequency.

I don't remember who it was that posted that awful funny post, but I think it might have been me.

DJay23
04-19-2005, 04:55 PM
The thought of this upsets me.

The Royals suck

The Royals are a joke

The Royals will not win unless the economics of baseball are fixed.

That being said, the Royals are MY sucky team. The Royals are MY joke. The Royals are the team of MY youth. The Royals were my first love in sports. If the Royals left KC, I would be quite bitter, and I would rain hexes and jinxes upon the city of Portland or wherever they would move. As Putty would say, "Gotta support the team."

KingPriest2
04-19-2005, 05:13 PM
ONe thing what TJ wrote was saying KC has its hands full either building a new stadium for the Chiefs or expanding Arrowhead and BUILDING a stadium for the Royals.

It just goes to show you TJ that those guys don't know what they are talking about. The Royals want to stay in Kaufman. They publicly said they do not want a new stadium. The Chiefs have. They want a new stadium or improvements.

eazyb81
04-19-2005, 05:24 PM
As long as David Glass heads up this team it will not go any where. He's in it for the profit only. Miles Prentice was not the answer, but this guy is a joke. Worse team in MLB, so he cuts payroll.
A new satdium for this team is a joke. Last night attendence under 10,000~ Only games of interest, St. Louis, N.Y. & Boston.
come on, you don't really believe that do you?

It's true we don't spend money on the team, but it's not because David Glass is pocketing tens of millions of dollars. It is because MLB does not care about small-market teams and they refuse to give additional revenue sharing to the teams that need it. Right now we use 20% revenue sharing, but that is really nothing in the grand scheme of things. We need at least 50% revenue sharing to achieve higher parity between the haves and have nots in MLB.

Taco John
04-19-2005, 05:28 PM
ONe thing what TJ wrote was saying KC has its hands full either building a new stadium for the Chiefs or expanding Arrowhead and BUILDING a stadium for the Royals.

It just goes to show you TJ that those guys don't know what they are talking about. The Royals want to stay in Kaufman. They publicly said they do not want a new stadium. The Chiefs have. They want a new stadium or improvements.



I just don't know enough about the KC market dynamics, which is why I started this thread. I don't know why people think I'm trying to be contentious in this thread. I just want the info. We want baseball here, and I'd like to keep up to date on the latest rumors for poker table conversations and the like. It adds credibility when I can say that the input I've heard from the Royals fans is XYZ, when the discussions here inevitably come up...

DanT
04-19-2005, 05:39 PM
I remember one of the funniest post ever on Chiefs planet was when Portland, home of the minor league Beavers was trying to get the Expos and someone posted that if the Expos relocated to Portland they ought to name the team the Expos Beavers, since that is what the Portland women do with maximum frequency.

I don't remember who it was that posted that awful funny post, but I think it might have been me.

ROFL

ENDelt260
04-19-2005, 05:42 PM
ROFL
Damnit, Dan. Don't encourage him.

HemiEd
04-19-2005, 07:11 PM
I don't know why people think I'm trying to be contentious


ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Dayze
04-19-2005, 07:15 PM
I can only dream of the day that the Royals are gone; more specifically MLB.

alanm
04-19-2005, 07:15 PM
You do realize that Portland wouldn't be able to compete either. Their as small market as KC. Y'all all are welcome to write to George Steinbrenner and complain about it though. :thumb:

WilliamTheIrish
04-19-2005, 07:18 PM
I think your sports radio jocks are just priming the pump.

You have a much better chance at the A's. Their attendance - even in their glory years - was weak.

I'll admit I don't know much about the stadium of which you speak. But if MLB is going to move a franchise, you can bet they'll want a state of the art revenue producing stadium.

Logical
04-19-2005, 07:18 PM
TJ,

I hope you get the Royals, it would improve the Chiefs chances for a new stadium (if they want one) if there was no other major league team to claim they want a stadium as well.

ChiefsCountry
04-19-2005, 07:26 PM
I think your sports radio jocks are just priming the pump.

You have a much better chance at the A's. Their attendance - even in their glory years - was weak.

I'll admit I don't know much about the stadium of which you speak. But if MLB is going to move a franchise, you can bet they'll want a state of the art revenue producing stadium.

Finley should have moved the team to Dallas or Denver when he fist went out there, also he had the team sold in 1979 to a Denver group yet backed out on it. So if Finley wasnt being his jackass self Denver could have had the Athletics. Royals would have had their true rival in baseball.

Spott
04-19-2005, 09:48 PM
Too bad we couldn't trade Portland sports franchises. We could take the Trailblazers and they could have the Royals. The NBA is a little boring, but not near as lame as baseball.

Saulbadguy
04-19-2005, 09:58 PM
Too bad we couldn't trade Portland sports franchises. We could take the Trailblazers and they could have the Royals. The NBA is a little boring, but not near as lame as baseball.
The Jailblazers? No thanks.

Taco John
04-19-2005, 10:02 PM
Too bad we couldn't trade Portland sports franchises. We could take the Trailblazers and they could have the Royals. The NBA is a little boring, but not near as lame as baseball.



I'd take that trade in a second! ROFL :)

The Blazers have been nothing but grief these last five years... :shake:

VonneMarie
04-19-2005, 10:04 PM
I'd take that trade in a second! ROFL :)

The Blazers have been nothing but grief these last five years... :shake:
And the Royals have been nothing but grief for the past 20 years. You can have them...






sike! :p

1adam1238
04-19-2005, 10:43 PM
I think Vegas is going to make a run at Oakland, its going to be interesting to see where baseball is at in the next decade.

alanm
04-20-2005, 12:05 AM
I think Vegas is going to make a run at Oakland, its going to be interesting to see where baseball is at in the next decade.
Baseball is going to be in the toilet within 5. :(

Count Alex's Losses
04-20-2005, 12:08 AM
Taco, since you're a Mariners fan, I feel it is my duty to inform you of my MLB affiliation:

http://www.deafcelebration.com/images/TexasRangers_NewLogo.jpg

Joe Seahawk
04-20-2005, 12:13 AM
The Mariners would fight real hard to prevent Portland or Vancouver from ever getting a MLB team.. Vancouver would get one before Portland anyway IMO..

Portland is just a pussy assed little podunk Seattle wannabee.. :p

alanm
04-20-2005, 12:19 AM
The Mariners would fight real hard to prevent Portland or Vancouver from ever getting a MLB team.. Vancouver would get one before Portland anyway IMO..

Portland is just a pussy assed little podunk Seattle wannabee.. :p
I thought both were pretty much one and the same. :)

ChiefsCountry
04-20-2005, 12:34 AM
The Mariners would fight real hard to prevent Portland or Vancouver from ever getting a MLB team.. Vancouver would get one before Portland anyway IMO..

Portland is just a pussy assed little podunk Seattle wannabee.. :p

Ah Portland and Seattle feud, just like KC and St. Louis. Let the A's move to Portland, that would be the Yankees/Red Sox of the northwest.

Count Alex's Losses
04-20-2005, 01:09 AM
Joe, I've always thought I would like living in Seattle. How is it?

Joe Seahawk
04-20-2005, 01:18 AM
Joe, I've always thought I would like living in Seattle. How is it?

I love Seattle.. The taxes and cost of living are starting to get really out of hand though..

Logical
04-20-2005, 01:23 AM
Baseball is going to be in the toilet within 5. :(
Outstanding, sorry to those deluded souls who still like MLB

Joe Seahawk
04-20-2005, 01:25 AM
Outstanding, sorry to those deluded souls who still like MLB

No need to be sorry for me.. I love the game..

Taco John
04-20-2005, 01:29 AM
I guess I'm moving against the trend then, because I haven't been this excited about baseball in years...

Taco John
04-20-2005, 01:30 AM
The Mariners would fight real hard to prevent Portland or Vancouver from ever getting a MLB team.. Vancouver would get one before Portland anyway IMO..

Portland is just a pussy assed little podunk Seattle wannabee.. :p


Actually, Portland is a SF wannabee... Just like Seattle... ;)

Rausch
04-20-2005, 01:36 AM
You denounce your two superbowl wins *due to cheating* and I'd throw in the Wiz, the Royals, and whatever fah-qhad mayor we have running the show right now.....

chiefsfan987
04-20-2005, 01:46 AM
Glass has stated repeatedly that he's not moving the team and that he's tired of getting asked that question. He bought the team as a favor to Ewing Kauffman and gave him his word he wasn't going to move the team, and to make sure of it, special provisions were made. IF Glass sells or moves the team all the profit made will go to Kansas City charities and David will not make a penny. The team itself is locked up in a lease until 2017 and have stated they have every intention of honoring that lease. The team has doubled its networth in the last couple of years and is one of few teams that make money every year. According to Forbes Magazine it has surpassed the Minnesota Twins in terms of value. I honestly don't think that KC is a good candidate for relocation and if Portland were to get a team, IMO it would more likely be Oakland, Tampa Bay, or Minnesota. Minnesota's owner has been trying to sell that team for years. Glass does not want to move OR sell. As another poster mentioned, Seattle will put up a fight to keep them from getting a team.