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|Zach|
04-21-2005, 01:35 PM
Gas has been hitting my pocket book (and let me tell you it isn't much of a sight in the first place) pretty hard. I hear a lot about them going up for this summer.

I don't have a good deal of understanding of all the factos that go into it. There seem to be a million of them. Is there any hope things can get back to a more reasonable level? Can anything be done to fix this anytime soon?

Educate me.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 01:37 PM
Just ride your bicycle everywhere.

|Zach|
04-21-2005, 01:38 PM
Just ride your bicycle everywhere.
I am thinking about getting one for this summer. I am waiting to see where I am moving...

ptlyon
04-21-2005, 01:38 PM
Can anything be done to fix this anytime soon?



Not until more refineries are built, and they aren't doing that because of the EPA.

Thanks Tree Huggers.

CoMoChief
04-21-2005, 01:39 PM
sup Zach. Ive been hearing on some news stations that China is one of the main reasons that our gas prices are going up. Appearantly there using a ton of oil over there or something like that. I know that this statement isnt detailed and sounds kind of rational, but its true and its not gonna get any better anytime soon. Gas is supposed to be around $3.00 a gallon by the middle/end of May.

Skip Towne
04-21-2005, 01:39 PM
No

Bwana
04-21-2005, 01:39 PM
We're hosed.

|Zach|
04-21-2005, 01:40 PM
Gas is supposed to be around $3.00 a gallon by the middle/end of May.
Whoa

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 01:40 PM
Gas is supposed to be around $3.00 a gallon by the middle/end of May.

Gah.

Saulbadguy
04-21-2005, 01:41 PM
Not until more refineries are built, and they aren't doing that because of the EPA.

Thanks Tree Huggers.
ROFL

You believe that, huh?

Bowser
04-21-2005, 01:41 PM
They need to start making cars that run on hydrogen.

CoMoChief
04-21-2005, 01:41 PM
Don't you remember the good ol days when we first got our liscenses and gas was only $1.10 a gallon. $20 bucks used to fill up my Probe (my first car). I have a Jeep now so obviously a bigger car/more gas, but it costs around $45.00 to fill my tank. It sucks.

|Zach|
04-21-2005, 01:42 PM
Don't you remember the good ol days when we first got our liscenses and gas was only $1.10 a gallon. $20 bucks used to fill up my Probe (my first car). I have a Jeep now so obviously a bigger car/more gas, but it costs around $45.00 to fill my tank. It sucks.

Indeed, sounds like a long time ago. I used to have that red Jeep Grand Cherokee.

mlyonsd
04-21-2005, 01:42 PM
sup Zach. Ive been hearing on some news stations that China is one of the main reasons that our gas prices are going up. Appearantly there using a ton of oil over there or something like that. I know that this statement isnt detailed and sounds kind of rational, but its true and its not gonna get any better anytime soon. Gas is supposed to be around $3.00 a gallon by the middle/end of May.

China uses so much oil now because stupid countries like ours send all of our natural resources over there so they can manufacture products and turn around and sell them back to us for x10 profit.

But hey, everybody loves Walmart right?

Donger
04-21-2005, 01:43 PM
Gas has been hitting my pocket book (and let me tell you it isn't much of a sight in the first place) pretty hard. I hear a lot about them going up for this summer.

I don't have a good deal of understanding of all the factos that go into it. There seem to be a million of them. Is there any hope things can get back to a more reasonable level? Can anything be done to fix this anytime soon?

Educate me.

Depending on where you are located, I wouldn't be surprised if the price of a gallon of gasoline ever goes below $1.75 again. Also, don't be surprised if you see $2.35+ per gallon before this summer is over.

Heres a good link: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/primer_on_gasoline_prices/html/petbro.html

Basically, increased demand from not only us, but the Far East and India are presently getting damn close to the supply capacity. Also, we haven't built a goddamn refinery in this country since 1978, IIRC. That's bad. Our refineries are almost always at or very near 100% capacity.

Anyway, here's a breakdown of where your gasoline dollar goes:

|Zach|
04-21-2005, 01:43 PM
They need to start making cars that run on hydrogen.
Or hot air produced by sports talk radio callers.

Saulbadguy
04-21-2005, 01:43 PM
Is there hope? Maybe some short term hope. In the long run, NO. There is no hope for a non-renewable resource like Oil. Until we develop more efficient forms of energy, and implement them in to affordable solutions, we are screwed. There is too much $$$ in oil right now to give it up and switch to something like hydrogen fuel cells.

mlyonsd
04-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Not until more refineries are built, and they aren't doing that because of the EPA.

Thanks Tree Huggers.

It's not only the tree huggers. There isn't any incentive for the oil companies to build refineries, it just raises their cost of doing business and drops the price of their end product.

The oil companies know exactly what they're doing.

Donger
04-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Gas is supposed to be around $3.00 a gallon by the middle/end of May.

That won't happen. $2.50, maybe, but not $3.00.

Bowser
04-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Don't you remember the good ol days when we first got our liscenses and gas was only $1.10 a gallon. $20 bucks used to fill up my Probe (my first car). I have a Jeep now so obviously a bigger car/more gas, but it costs around $45.00 to fill my tank. It sucks.

I can remember when I first started driving, gas was in the .70-.80 range. Of course, I was only making $3.15 an hour bagging groceries.......

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Also, don't be surprised if you see $2.35+ per gallon before this summer is over.

Been there, done that. My last tank of gas cost me like $2.51/gallon.

Amnorix
04-21-2005, 01:45 PM
China uses so much oil now because stupid countries like ours send all of our natural resources over there so they can manufacture products and turn around and sell them back to us for x10 profit.

But hey, everybody loves Walmart right?


errr...what? I doubt a single drop of US oil goes to China. They get nearly all of theirs from the Middle East and Russia.

Bowser
04-21-2005, 01:45 PM
Been there, done that. My last tank of gas cost me like $2.51/gallon.

Traded in that truck for a Festiva yet?

Donger
04-21-2005, 01:45 PM
ROFL

You believe that, huh?

It's partly correct. They also don't want to build any additional refineries because it would eat into their profits.

|Zach|
04-21-2005, 01:46 PM
I can remember when I first started driving, gas was in the .70-.80 range. Of course, I was only making $3.15 an hour bagging groceries.......
I was making $5.75 at a movie theater that nobody went to. The managers used to splice frames of porn in to the previews.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 01:46 PM
Traded in that truck for a Festiva yet?
Festivas suck at running over couches.

keg in kc
04-21-2005, 01:47 PM
Nope, we're not going anywhere but up.

In addition to the refinery point, the prevalence of SUVs and bigger automobiles in the US doesn't help, either. I don't say that as a treehugger, but from an economic point of view. Less efficient vehicles leads to greater overall consumption which leads to supply being overwelmed by demand which leads to all of us being f*cked.

Or something like that. I'm half asleep right now, so it's possible I just said it all backasswards.

Not to mention that I think we'd all be f*cked by the oil companies as they are today if we all drove cardboard boxes.

Donger
04-21-2005, 01:47 PM
Been there, done that. My last tank of gas cost me like $2.51/gallon.

Is that for Premium? Also, you live in a relatively nasty area with regards to the transportation of gasoline from the refineries..

Sucker.

Bowser
04-21-2005, 01:47 PM
I was making $5.75 at a movie theater that nobody went to. The managers used to splice frames of porn in to the previews.

ROFL

And here I thought Brad Pitt was the only guy who would try that......

Saulbadguy
04-21-2005, 01:47 PM
It's partly correct. They also don't want to build any additional refineries because it would eat into their profits.
What percentage of "correct"? I'd say the latter statement is MORE correct. Its not profitable to open old refineries OR build new ones.

Face it, we are screwed until we move away from oil.

Bowser
04-21-2005, 01:48 PM
Festivas suck at running over couches.

For some reason, I feel pretty sure that you know this for a fact......

|Zach|
04-21-2005, 01:48 PM
ROFL

And here I thought Brad Pitt was the only guy who would try that......
I have all kinds of good stories from that job. It was a fun time. All the managers were like 20 except for one guy who didnt care as long as nobody got hurt.

jarjar
04-21-2005, 01:48 PM
No. The problem is one of basic supply and demand. The rest of the world is catching up to western nations in their wealth, and this increased demand is outstripping increases in supply.
I have read both sides of this issue and my .2 is that the trend likely isn't going to reverse. For some real nutjob doomsday type stuff try reading about "Peak Oil".. at the other end of the spectrum are people who believe that the oil supply is essentially limitless. The truth is probably somewhere in between but I tend to think Peak Oil is a bit closer to the truth simply because I have yet to see a really good rebuttal of it, and it's an application of science that has been proven several times over.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 01:49 PM
Is that for Premium?

Nope. I only buy the cheap shit.

ptlyon
04-21-2005, 01:49 PM
ROFL

You believe that, huh?

Yup

Amnorix
04-21-2005, 01:50 PM
From what I've seen/read, it's unlikely gas prices will go down significantly between now and the end of summer, if at all.

This has a number of factors involved:

1. Worldwide oil supplies are facing incredible pressure. From uncertainty in Iraq to tremendous consumption by growing countries such as India and China. Saudi Arabia has stated that it's about ready to throw open ALL the spigots and run its oil production flat out, which has only happened very rarely in history, but even that isn't likely to have tremendous impact.

2. There is a definite lack of oil refineries in the US. No new refineries have been built in all of North America in the last 20 years. This has to do not only with EPA regulations, but more importantly, difficulties in convincing local authorities and citizens to permit a refinery from being built in their backyard, the costs associated iwth such a massive project, and a lack of economic benefit for going through so much trouble.

3. Consumerism in America, and using gas like pigs, appears impervious to prices. If American's aren't obeying the laws of price / demand, then there isn't much is to provide downward pressure on prices.

This is the nickel version of the story, which is about all I know. Serious economists would go on for hours about all the factors involved, but I think the above three are the main ones they would cite, with many other little things involved as well.

JakeT
04-21-2005, 01:50 PM
China uses so much oil now because stupid countries like ours send all of our natural resources over there so they can manufacture products and turn around and sell them back to us for x10 profit.

But hey, everybody loves Walmart right?


It's not that everyone loves Walmart- but everyone loves the fact that they can buy a dvd player for $79 and dvd movies for $7 now. 10x profit for asian countries is still about 1/2 of what we'd pay if the stuff was made here.

Donger
04-21-2005, 01:51 PM
What percentage of "correct"? I'd say the latter statement is MORE correct. Its not profitable to open old refineries OR build new ones.

Face it, we are screwed until we move away from oil.

Oh, I'd say that if the government cut the red tape, many, if not all, of the oil companies would build new refineries. A lot of the red tape involved actually would cause them to lose money.

If that red tape went away, do you really think any oil company would hesitate to invest some capital to increase their refining capacity?

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 01:52 PM
Y'know what... maybe it was $2.31...

I don't really pay close attention.

Saulbadguy
04-21-2005, 01:52 PM
I wonder if eliminating NASCAR would help.

|Zach|
04-21-2005, 01:52 PM
I wonder if eliminating NASCAR would help.
Lets do it.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 01:53 PM
I wonder if eliminating NASCAR would help.
Haha. Great idea.

Saulbadguy
04-21-2005, 01:53 PM
If that red tape went away, do you really think any oil company would hesitate to invest some capital to increase their refining capacity?
Not if it would provide little or no extra profit. Why don't we just import more oil? Isn't it cheaper to refine a barrel in Saudi Arabia than it is in America?

Saulbadguy
04-21-2005, 01:54 PM
Lets do it.
"Every little bit helps."

Bowser
04-21-2005, 01:55 PM
No. The problem is one of basic supply and demand. The rest of the world is catching up to western nations in their wealth, and this increased demand is outstripping increases in supply.
I have read both sides of this issue and my .2 is that the trend likely isn't going to reverse. For some real nutjob doomsday type stuff try reading about "Peak Oil".. at the other end of the spectrum are people who believe that the oil supply is essentially limitless. The truth is probably somewhere in between but I tend to think Peak Oil is a bit closer to the truth simply because I have yet to see a really good rebuttal of it, and it's an application of science that has been proven several times over.

Even more reason to perfect hydrogen as a fuel source.

Donger
04-21-2005, 01:57 PM
Y'know what... maybe it was $2.31...

I don't really pay close attention.

$2.31. $2.51. Whatever it takes.

http://www.phoenixgasprices.com/

Damn. Close to California's prices.

mlyonsd
04-21-2005, 01:57 PM
It's not that everyone loves Walmart- but everyone loves the fact that they can buy a dvd player for $79 and dvd movies for $7 now. 10x profit for asian countries is still about 1/2 of what we'd pay if the stuff was made here.

Ugh-huh, that's good to know seeing that we'll need things to be a lot cheaper since a worker that used to make a decent living building that DVD is now employed at the 7-11 making minimum wage.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 01:59 PM
$2.31. $2.51. Whatever it takes.

http://www.phoenixgasprices.com/

Damn. Close to California's prices.
Yeah, that's the website that made me doubt my recollection. I had $2.51 in my head... but, it was only like a week or two ago I bought gas. Surely the price didn't drop twenty cents in that time... I must be remembering wrong. Right?

Donger
04-21-2005, 02:02 PM
Not if it would provide little or no extra profit. Why don't we just import more oil? Isn't it cheaper to refine a barrel in Saudi Arabia than it is in America?

Because OPEC decides how much crude they output; that's the main problem.

As to the question of whether it's cheaper to import refined gasoilne rather than crude, the answer is yes. In fact, we import something like 1 million bpd of gasoline during the summer.

Amnorix
04-21-2005, 02:03 PM
Because OPEC decides how much crude they output; that's the main problem.

As to the question of whether it's cheaper to import refined gasoilne rather than crude, the answer is yes. In fact, we import something like 1 million bpd of gasoline during the summer.

OPEC is running close to flat out. Iraq is having issues, of course, and I think Saudi Arabia still has some room, but everyone else has got the spigots open wide, I believe.

Simplex3
04-21-2005, 02:07 PM
Face it, we are screwed until we move away from oil.
We're screwed until I can run my car on any of two or more energy sources. You replace oil with some other single source you'll be right back in this boat as soon as that other source kills oil.

CoMoChief
04-21-2005, 02:08 PM
China uses so much oil now because stupid countries like ours send all of our natural resources over there so they can manufacture products and turn around and sell them back to us for x10 profit.

But hey, everybody loves Walmart right?

You gotta love a capitalistic economy right?

ptlyon
04-21-2005, 02:08 PM
I had $2.51 in my head...

This probably all stems from you always being at the bar at closing time and the chick you were going to take home was telling you she was actually 231 instead of 251.

jarjar
04-21-2005, 02:09 PM
We're screwed until I can run my car on any of two or more energy sources. You replace oil with some other single source you'll be right back in this boat as soon as that other source kills oil.

That's a good point. It's hard to imagine any energy source replacing the amount of oil we're burning.

Donger
04-21-2005, 02:10 PM
OPEC is running close to flat out. Iraq is having issues, of course, and I think Saudi Arabia still has some room, but everyone else has got the spigots open wide, I believe.

Sorry, but I simply don't believe that OPEC is running anywhere near 100%, regardless of what they say.

ptlyon
04-21-2005, 02:10 PM
We're screwed until I can run my car on any of two or more energy sources.

You already have 2.

1. Engine (gasoline)
2. Push

Saulbadguy
04-21-2005, 02:10 PM
We're screwed until I can run my car on any of two or more energy sources. You replace oil with some other single source you'll be right back in this boat as soon as that other source kills oil.
Unless its a plentiful, renewable resource.

CoMoChief
04-21-2005, 02:11 PM
Ya know we have that huge oil refinerey out in Alaska and all of those tree huggers are keeping it protected. It's gonna get to the point where were gonna have to use that one. The hippies will take over the world!!!!!!

Simplex3
04-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Not if it would provide little or no extra profit. Why don't we just import more oil? Isn't it cheaper to refine a barrel in Saudi Arabia than it is in America?
An oil company builds a new refinery and increasedstheir production capacity by, let's say, 10%. They reduce their price to their customers (gas stations) by 2%. They will garner more customers (even if we didn't see a decrease at the pump). They will still have an increased profit margin and more throughput at the same time.


The thing I haven't seen discussed yet is the percentage of time that our refineries are shut down retooling so they can produced some other f**ked up blend for some other assanine state reg. that props up their agriculture business.

morphius
04-21-2005, 02:39 PM
I would like to hear at least one person in the administration suggesting that they were going to look into some price fixing. The gas companies are going to push this till they find a breaking limit.

Demonpenz
04-21-2005, 02:47 PM
something needs to be done. There is no way bush is getting relected with gas prices like this

ptlyon
04-21-2005, 02:55 PM
something needs to be done. There is no way bush is getting relected with gas prices like this

LOL. Somebody mark this thread and bring it up in Nov. 2008!

J Diddy
04-21-2005, 02:58 PM
Ugh-huh, that's good to know seeing that we'll need things to be a lot cheaper since a worker that used to make a decent living building that DVD is now employed at the 7-11 making minimum wage.

The funny thing about that is I've never seen a non arabic person working at 7 eleven.

Simplex3
04-21-2005, 03:01 PM
I would like to hear at least one person in the administration suggesting that they were going to look into some price fixing. The gas companies are going to push this till they find a breaking limit.
The gas companies have everyone that bought a 12mpg SUV by the balls and they know it.

Besides, they watched natural gas do this.

Take a $1.00/unit product, raise the price dramatically until people bitch, say at $1.50. Then, in a "major mea-culpa", drop the price to $1.35 or $1.40. The average sheeple f**k-nuts out there calm down.

Then, 3-4 months later, start raising it again until people start screaming again, say at $2.00. Then, in a "major mea-culpa", drop the price to $1.85 or $1.90. The average sheeple f**k-nuts out there calm down.

See a patern there? My family only drives 25+mpg cars (a minivan and a Chrysler 300M) and we have plenty of space in our vehicles. We also only drive when we need to go somewhere, we don't just cruise out to the mall to hang out. I research price and items on the web and phone, then drive to the specific store I need to go to and buy the item instead of tooling around town looking at crap.

If we spend $10/week in gas I'd be shocked. Let gas prices climb, it doesn't effect me nearly as much as it appearantly does the rest of you.

ptlyon
04-21-2005, 03:03 PM
The funny thing about that is I've never seen a non arabic person working at 7 eleven.

Must be where you live then

J Diddy
04-21-2005, 03:05 PM
Must be where you live then


Nah, they aren't even around here anymore. Left this area about 15 or so years ago.

JakeT
04-21-2005, 03:40 PM
Ya know we have that huge oil refinerey out in Alaska and all of those tree huggers are keeping it protected. It's gonna get to the point where were gonna have to use that one. The hippies will take over the world!!!!!!

I think congress just passed the go ahead to drill in Alaska -- problem is ti won't get into our supply for 5-7 years I heard, corrections anyone

morphius
04-21-2005, 03:46 PM
The gas companies have everyone that bought a 12mpg SUV by the balls and they know it.

Besides, they watched natural gas do this.

Take a $1.00/unit product, raise the price dramatically until people bitch, say at $1.50. Then, in a "major mea-culpa", drop the price to $1.35 or $1.40. The average sheeple f**k-nuts out there calm down.

Then, 3-4 months later, start raising it again until people start screaming again, say at $2.00. Then, in a "major mea-culpa", drop the price to $1.85 or $1.90. The average sheeple f**k-nuts out there calm down.

See a patern there? My family only drives 25+mpg cars (a minivan and a Chrysler 300M) and we have plenty of space in our vehicles. We also only drive when we need to go somewhere, we don't just cruise out to the mall to hang out. I research price and items on the web and phone, then drive to the specific store I need to go to and buy the item instead of tooling around town looking at crap.

If we spend $10/week in gas I'd be shocked. Let gas prices climb, it doesn't effect me nearly as much as it appearantly does the rest of you.
Thats pretty much the way I saw it.

Donger
04-21-2005, 03:51 PM
FWIW, if you think our gasoline prices are bad, take a gander at Europe's prices.

$6.00 a gallon last time I checked.

morphius
04-21-2005, 03:53 PM
I think congress just passed the go ahead to drill in Alaska -- problem is ti won't get into our supply for 5-7 years I heard, corrections anyone
And the gas companies are getting huge tax cuts to do their drilling up there.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 04:25 PM
This probably all stems from you always being at the bar at closing time and the chick you were going to take home was telling you she was actually 231 instead of 251.
Really had to stretch for that one, didn't ya? I hope you warmed up properly. I'd hate for you to hurt yourself on my account.

Saulbadguy
04-21-2005, 04:28 PM
The whole "ENDelt is drunk all the time and likes fat women" schtick is overplayed.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 04:29 PM
The whole "ENDelt is drunk all the time and likes fat women" schtick is overplayed.
That's just crazy talk.

Donger
04-21-2005, 04:30 PM
The whole "ENDelt is drunk all the time and likes fat women" schtick is overplayed.

Uh oh. Looks like Saul's horny.

Saulbadguy
04-21-2005, 04:31 PM
Uh oh. Looks like Saul's horny.
Hiya hot stuff..whats-a happenin?

Donger
04-21-2005, 04:33 PM
Hiya hot stuff..whats-a happenin?

I like monkeys. Or is it monkies?

Damn.

Hydrae
04-21-2005, 04:55 PM
Speaking of hydrogen, I saw on "Discoveries This Week" a couple of weeks ago that BMW has a hydrogen powered car that can do 185 MPH! It uses an internal combustion engine that can run on either hydrogen or gasoline. Of course keeping the hydrogen liquid at -400 and some odd degrees F is a bit of a chore.

They said that they are hoping to put some out in production next year. Should be interesting.

Herzig
04-21-2005, 05:56 PM
Too many gas guzzlers out there. Buy a hybrid. $2000 tax break right off the bat as well.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 06:03 PM
Too many gas guzzlers out there. Buy a hybrid. $2000 tax break right off the bat as well.
Hybrids suck at running over couches.

Skip Towne
04-21-2005, 06:22 PM
Why won't cars run on water? The hydrogen is there for fuel and the oxygen promotes combustion. I'm a genious. I'm going to go try it.

4th and Long
04-21-2005, 06:26 PM
Don't you remember the good ol days when we first got our liscenses and gas was only $1.10 a gallon.
I remember the good ol days when gas was 29.9 a gallon. Thats cents foilks.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 06:29 PM
I remember the good ol days when gas was 29.9 a gallon. Thats cents foilks.
Yeah, but, you're old. My parents tell stories about prices like that, too.

go bowe
04-21-2005, 06:35 PM
The whole "ENDelt is drunk all the time and likes fat women" schtick is overplayed.yeah, you tell 'em saul... :thumb:

i can vouch for the fact that the delta end man is NOT drunk all the time...

i once picked him up from his parents house to take him to the bar and he was more or less sober all the way to the bar... :) :) :)

go bowe
04-21-2005, 06:40 PM
Yeah, but, you're old. My parents tell stories about prices like that, too.you're parents are just youngsters...

why, i remember when gas was 19 cents a gallon, and sometimes even lower when they had price wars (haven't seen one of those lately, have you?)...

of course, it was being delivered to the gas station in a horse-drawn wagon...

Count Alex's Wins
04-21-2005, 06:41 PM
I am tempted to post a picture of Gandalf from Return of the King when he says "There never was much hope. Only a fool's hope." BUT NO ONE WOULD GET THE ****ING JOKE!

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 06:45 PM
you're parents are just youngsters...

Whatever. I'm about a week away from putting Mom in a home.

Skip Towne
04-21-2005, 07:16 PM
Whatever. I'm about a week away from putting Mom in a home.
I hope you're joking. Your folks are quite a bit younger than me IIRC.

4th and Long
04-21-2005, 07:45 PM
Yeah, but, you're old. My parents tell stories about prices like that, too.
I turned 40 last year. If that's old to you, then I can't wait until you're 40 and some kid on the board rails on you about being "old."

If and when you hit 40, (all that booze you consume and having those fat ditch pigs jump on you wont help your health) talk to me then about being old.

:D

Frazod
04-21-2005, 07:48 PM
I hope you're joking. Your folks are quite a bit younger than me IIRC.

We're planning on putting you in a home, too. :evil:

4th and Long
04-21-2005, 07:49 PM
you're parents are just youngsters...

why, i remember when gas was 19 cents a gallon, and sometimes even lower when they had price wars (haven't seen one of those lately, have you?)...

of course, it was being delivered to the gas station in a horse-drawn wagon...
Unless aliens swoop down and remove all the camel jockeys off the face of the earth, leaving us in control of the worlds oil supply, you'll never ever see price wars over gasoline again.

It's times like this that I pray for the existence of extraterrestrials. :D

Skip Towne
04-21-2005, 07:50 PM
I turned 40 last year. If that's old to you, then I can't wait until you're 40 and some kid on the board rails on you about being "old."

If and when you hit 40, (all that booze you consume and having those fat ditch pigs jump on you wont help your health) talk to me then about being old.

:D
40? Damn, that IS old.

4th and Long
04-21-2005, 07:54 PM
40? Damn, that IS old.
At your age, I'm surprised you can even read the posts. You're using a magnifying glass, aren't you?

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 07:58 PM
I hope you're joking.

Like I'm ever less than serious.

Logical
04-21-2005, 08:01 PM
I remember the good ol days when gas was 29.9 a gallon. Thats cents foilks.Being as gas should have been at least 50 cents a gallon by the time you were 8 (assume 1973) you must have a pretty good memory. During gas wars when I was 10 (the year you were likely born) the price would get down to 23 cents a gallon and was about 29.9 normally.

4th and Long
04-21-2005, 08:07 PM
Being as gas should have been at least 50 cents a gallon by the time you were 8 (assume 1973) you must have a pretty good memory. During gas wars when I was 10 (the year you were likely born) the price would get down to 23 cents a gallon and was about 29.9 normally.
There was a Firestone station at the end of the street where I grew up. I used to ride my bike there to pump up the tires. They had those old fashioned hand crank pumps to put air into the tires and yes, gas was 29.9.

alnorth
04-21-2005, 08:10 PM
Work on and perfect hydrogen fuel cell technology.

Then go totally freaking nuclear all over the country, create hydrogen cars, use nuclear power to make the hydrogen cells, problem solved.

Skip Towne
04-21-2005, 09:48 PM
At your age, I'm surprised you can even read the posts. You're using a magnifying glass, aren't you?
Nope, Webtv. I surf the Planet on my 32" screen.

Skip Towne
04-21-2005, 09:50 PM
Seriously though, even at age 60, I'll bet my eyesight is better than 50% of the Planet members. I don't wear glasses or contacts. I just use Wal-Mart glasses for reading. I'm very lucky.

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 09:53 PM
Seriously though, even at age 60, I'll bet my eyesight is better than 50% of the Planet members. I don't wear glasses or contacts. I just use Wal-Mart glasses for reading. I'm very lucky.
I've actually got really good eyesight. Which is weird considering everyone else in my family wears glasses... and I've spent all day staring at a computer screen for a few years now.

I suspect I'll be worse off in that area when I'm 60, though.

HemiEd
04-21-2005, 10:01 PM
something needs to be done. There is no way bush is getting relected with gas prices like this



LOL. Somebody mark this thread and bring it up in Nov. 2008!


The hilarious part is, unless they made a constitutional amendment that I do not know about, he can not run again! ROFL

Skip Towne
04-21-2005, 10:02 PM
I've actually got really good eyesight. Which is weird considering everyone else in my family wears glasses... and I've spent all day staring at a computer screen for a few years now.

I suspect I'll be worse off in that area when I'm 60, though.
Yeah, there is one malady that will get you for sure as it gets everybody. Presbyopia. It has to do with the hardening of the muscles that let the eye adjust it's focus to fine print, etc. It got me at 43 but that varies with the individual. Everyone over 50 is affected by it. Other than that, my vision is still great. Knock on wood.

Inspector
04-21-2005, 10:55 PM
Let gas prices climb, it doesn't effect me nearly as much as it appearantly does the rest of you.

Even if you don't own a car, gas prices may still have an effect on you. There are quite a few things that consumers buy (besides gas) that have prices impacted by the price of gas. Almost everything that is shipped by truck or train will have their price increases passed on to the consumer.

I use very little gas but I'm still worried about the prices going up because it effects everything else. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that even the food at the grocery store has the price of it's transportation built into the price the buyer must pay.

I remember gas for < .25 cents per gallon during price wars. I used to buy smokes for .25 cents a pack. $1 worth of gas would get me through the week. Ahhh, those were the days...

Joe Seahawk
04-21-2005, 10:58 PM
Our state just added a ten cent gas tax.. :banghead:

wildcat09
04-21-2005, 11:04 PM
i found gas today at 2.11 a gallon and i thought that was a steal.

kcfan88
04-21-2005, 11:31 PM
It's around 2.19-2.23 here in Idaho:banghead:

Joe Seahawk
04-21-2005, 11:35 PM
About 2.60 here..

ENDelt260
04-21-2005, 11:48 PM
About 2.60 here..
Yay, someone more f*cked than me!

Where are all the California boys at? Maybe it hurts to much for them to talk about it by now.

Logical
04-21-2005, 11:50 PM
Yay, someone more f*cked than me!

Where are all the California boys at? Maybe it hurts to much for them to talk about it by now.Actually Regular unleaded is 2.55 here.

TEX
04-21-2005, 11:52 PM
Regular unleaded ranges from $2.03 - $2.14 here in Houston. But today I did find it for $1.99. Man, I NEVER thought I'd be happy to buy gas for $1.99/gallon. FKN UNBELIEVABLE! :shake:

Mojo Rising
04-22-2005, 12:00 AM
I am at $2.79 at the no name cheapo station that I have to use my debit card or cash... no visa (miles.)

It will still have to get pretty expensive before I start taking the train (a 25 minute drive turns into 70+ minutes.)

I commute from SF to San Mateo which is about 15-20 miles and 20-25 minutes in the morning and 30-35 in the evening.)