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Coach
04-24-2005, 08:33 AM
No Chris Berman today. Thank god.

Still alot of good talent left on the board. Rounds 4 to 7 will officially start at 10:00 A.M. CST.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 08:45 AM
Chris Berman doesn't bother me as much as that arrogant c*ck Mel Kiper talking over everyone on the panel, especially Holt. I wish Mike f*cking Williams would've dropped to about 50.

Coach
04-24-2005, 08:50 AM
If I figured it out correct, here are the picks for KC.

Round 4, pick 15
Round 5, pick 2 and 26,
Round 6, pick 13,and 25
Round 7, pick 15 and 24

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 08:53 AM
If I figured it out correct, here are the picks for KC.

Round 4, pick 15
Round 5, pick 2 and 26,
Round 6, pick 13,and 25
Round 7, pick 15 and 24Close. We have the 11th pick of the 5th, rather than the 26th.

Coach
04-24-2005, 08:59 AM
Close. We have the 11th pick of the 5th, rather than the 26th.

Uh, no. Miami has the 11th.

5 - 2(138) Kansas City (from Miami) *Surtain Trade*
5 - 11(147) Miami (from Detroit through Kansas City) *Surtain Trade*
5 - 14(150) Tennessee (from Kansas City) *Carlos Hall Trade*
5 - 26(162) Kansas City (from Green Bay) *Trulock Trade*

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:00 AM
No, Miami got 162, not 147.

Don't take my word for it: http://nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round5

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:04 AM
No, Miami got 162, not 147.

Don't take my word for it: http://nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/round/round5


Hmm. that's the same thing I'm looking at as well. Well hell, I don't know anymore. ROFL

Either way, I just hope we get a good solid player who can contribute to the Chiefs in the future.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:06 AM
Hmm. that's the same thing I'm looking at as well. Well hell, I don't know anymoreWell, beyond that, I know it's 162 we gave away because we moved up 24 spots with the trade.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:07 AM
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mike Shanahan getting booed. ROFL ROFL

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:08 AM
Well, beyond that, I know it's 162 we gave away because we moved up 24 spots with the trade.

Oh, now I see what was wrong. ESPN has it as us on the 162th.

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:09 AM
Heh, nice to see Shanahan is still alive. I would have swore that the Browncos fans would have him hung by last night.

Shanahan "Clarrett is a smart kid." Right... by failing some of his classes in Ohio State is a smart kid. :rolleyes:

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 09:10 AM
It's funny to hear mike shanahan try to sell the fans on maurice clarrett. Saying he doesnt have great speed but he has some skill... what an embarassment. Oh and I found out why they took him at that exact pick. In three former drafts they took a running back at that exact pick 101. Terell Davis, Quentin Griffin, and Mike Anderson... I still don't think that is an excuse to draft crappy players.

SCTrojan
04-24-2005, 09:11 AM
I'd like for us to come out of the day with a WR, QBotf, a CB and a D-end.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:11 AM
LOL.

Gene Washington: "Philly's on the clock!"

Crowd: "PHILLY SUCKS! Boooooooooooo"

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 09:12 AM
Here is to another good day boys

:toast:

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:13 AM
In three former drafts they took a running back at that exact pick 101. Terell Davis, Quentin Griffin, and Mike Anderson... I still don't think that is an excuse to draft crappy players.Anderson and Davis were both 6th round picks (189/196). Griffin was 108.

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:15 AM
First pick of the day, Eagles select: Sean Considine S/Iowa.

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 09:17 AM
No Chris Berman today. Thank god

and more suzi :clap: :clap: :p

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:17 AM
and more suziAnd she's not doing interviews. :clap: :clap:

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 09:19 AM
Ciatrick Fason shouldn't last much longer.

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 09:20 AM
Perkins is a beast on special teams.

I am glad Denver wasnt smart enough to reach for him.

SCTrojan
04-24-2005, 09:22 AM
Perkins is a good pick. Proven player from a top-notch program.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:23 AM
I enjoy day 2 so much more than day 1. Less than an hour per pick, and you never know who's going where.

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 09:23 AM
My favs keep on dropping.

Archie's Top 6

Shazor
Nicholson
Gibson
Thorpe
McPherson
Browner

Chan93lx50
04-24-2005, 09:29 AM
Merle Hodge is gay, just look at him!

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:29 AM
Orton to da Bears.

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:29 AM
Kyle Orton, QB, Purdue went to Chicago.

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 09:29 AM
Bears save us from Orton.

SCTrojan
04-24-2005, 09:30 AM
Orton gone. Would've liked to see him as a Chief.

Chest Rockwell
04-24-2005, 09:32 AM
Heh...Jaws just said:

"Orton has a good arm, he can really stroke it."

That's good television.

I'll bet Hodge got a woody on that one.

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:35 AM
Dan Buenning OG/Wisconsin went to TB.

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:37 AM
Tennesse picks Vincent Fuller S/ Virginia Tech

Chan93lx50
04-24-2005, 09:38 AM
Heh...Jaws just said:

"Orton has a good arm, he can really stroke it."

That's good television.

I'll bet Hodge got a woody on that one.

ROFL

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 09:39 AM
And she's not doing interviews. :clap: :clap:

Hater ....



Ha!! she's interviewing Lovie Smith right now ... Goooo suzi! :p :drool:

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:41 AM
Hater ....



Ha!! she's interviewing Lovie Smith right now ... Goooo suzi! :p :drool:

I'm sure she could use some Lovie. ;)

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:41 AM
Hater ....Oh, no. I'd do her. She's just horrible with unscripted interviews.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 09:41 AM
No Chris Berman today. Thank god.Yet another reason why Day 2 is my favorite day of the draft.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:42 AM
I wonder who Dallas picked like five minutes ago.

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:43 AM
Dallas chooses Marion Barber III RB/ Minn.

NYG chooses Brandon Jacobs RB/ Southern Illinois

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 09:45 AM
Barber goes to the Cowbells. Good pick. I like him.

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 09:45 AM
Damn Cards. I liked Elton Brown a lot for OL depth.

Oh well my boys are still on the board

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 09:45 AM
Dallas chooses Marion Barber RB/ Illinois

NYG chooses Brandon Jacobs RB/ Southern IllinoisBarber was a Gopher.

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:45 AM
Arizona chooses Elton Brown OG/ Virginia

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:46 AM
Barber was a Gopher.

Yeah, I corrected that. Thanks though. :)

Chan93lx50
04-24-2005, 09:47 AM
Tell us how you really feel Green!

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:48 AM
Nice to see that Trent is still there. :)

Washington traded their pick to Minny.

Minny picks Ciatrick Fason RB/ Florida

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 09:49 AM
Elton Brown, Alton's nephew, just got drafted by the Cards.

the Talking Can
04-24-2005, 09:50 AM
Trent is smart.

I like that.

He just pointed out that Shanny said Clarett still had to get in shape..after 2 years!

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:51 AM
Tennessee picks David Stewart OT/ Mississippi St.

Chan93lx50
04-24-2005, 09:51 AM
I luved it yesterday when Green went off on Vrabrile(sp?) about how Moss is not a team player, fugged the gaiders

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 09:51 AM
The giants just took a HUGE RB...6-4 256 4.52

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 09:52 AM
This is setting up perfectly if Carl sees things the way I do.

I'm not betting on that though.

the Talking Can
04-24-2005, 09:52 AM
what # is our pick?

Chest Rockwell
04-24-2005, 09:52 AM
Elton Brown, Alton's nephew, just got drafted by the Cards.

Heh.

Noice.

At around 6' 5"/330, He's definitely been into the Good Eats.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:53 AM
what # is our pick?116

Chest Rockwell
04-24-2005, 09:53 AM
The giants just took a HUGE RB...6-4 256 4.52

Well they HAD to replace Ron Dayne...or, something?

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 09:54 AM
Good pick Minnesota. Fason could be solid in a RBBC which they employ.

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:54 AM
Houston picks Jerome Mathis WR/ Hampton

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:54 AM
Elton Brown, Alton's nephew, just got drafted by the Cards.Judging by that picture, I think Elton just ate Alton.

the Talking Can
04-24-2005, 09:54 AM
shiite, there goes the Hampton WR

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 09:55 AM
Dammit Jerome Mathis was taken by Texans. I'd say Darren Sproles or Quarterback.

ChiTown
04-24-2005, 09:55 AM
Damn. Mathis to Houston. I was really hoping he'd be there when we picked next.....

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 09:55 AM
I was weary of Mathis. I am kinda glad he is gone.

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2005, 09:55 AM
Damn, it.....there goes Mathis.

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 09:56 AM
4.28 in the 40...

the Talking Can
04-24-2005, 09:56 AM
we're not drafting sproles in the 4th

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 09:57 AM
Not to say I want us to pick him here, because he'll be available later, but Gene Frederic out of Memphis was the leader of an offensive line that allowed five sacks all season.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:57 AM
we're not drafting sproles in the 4thOh, now you've gone and done it.

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 09:58 AM
Please take McPherson.

the Talking Can
04-24-2005, 09:58 AM
Oh, now you've gone and done it.

shit!

OmahaChief
04-24-2005, 09:58 AM
My guess is CJ Mosely from Mizzou.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 09:59 AM
You watch, we'll come back from commercial and St. Louis will be on the board and they'll talk about something else for 10 minutes before getting to who we picked.

the Talking Can
04-24-2005, 09:59 AM
on the clock!

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2005, 09:59 AM
I smell a QB pick....McPherson baby! DV is gonna make-up for his not being able to "reach" Lawrence Phillips....it'll be his "legacy." Heh.

Chan93lx50
04-24-2005, 09:59 AM
Commercial Go figure

ChiTown
04-24-2005, 09:59 AM
I'm thinking Fred Gibson now. Big target at 6'4"

Coach
04-24-2005, 09:59 AM
GB picks Marviel Underwood S/ San Deigo St.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 09:59 AM
We're on the clock...

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
I'm thinking Fred Gibson now. Big target at 6'4"

I wouldn't mind that pick. Gibson has good size and speed.

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
Kansas City Chiefs select: Craphonso Thorpe WR/ FSU

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
:drool: Great Pick

Crap Thorpe Yes

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
Oh Crap.

Chan93lx50
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
Ahhhhhhhh CRAP

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
GB picks Marviel Underwood S/ San Deigo St.Dammit I really wanted him.

Thorpe a Chief!

dirk digler
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
Thorpe - WR

OmahaChief
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
As much as I hate the Noles, I'll take Cro Thorpe!

WebGem
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
yee haw

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
All right! We got Crappy!

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
Who is Thorpe? Why didn't they get Roydell Williams?

ChiTown
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
Thorpe - eh, I think he reminds me too much of Snoop Minnis....

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
BOOYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SCTrojan
04-24-2005, 10:02 AM
WR. One of the positions we needed to address. I like the pick.

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2005, 10:02 AM
Thorpe, WR....good pick..... :clap:

Chan93lx50
04-24-2005, 10:02 AM
Okay get me some info on this guy

CosmicPal
04-24-2005, 10:02 AM
Yea baby!!!!!

I'm so Crap happy. He's a very good value....

the Talking Can
04-24-2005, 10:02 AM
Chiefs pick...........Craphonso Thorpe!

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 10:02 AM
6-1 188 4.34 forty!

Positives: Has a lean, cut-up frame with good upper body development, adding over 10 pounds of muscle to his body while rehabilitating from his leg injury during the 2004 offseason Shows sudden explosion coming off the line of scrimmage and can get to top speed instantly to gain and eat up the cushion Compensates for a lack of strength with a quick initial burst to avoid the jam Shows quickness throughout his routes and has the fluid foot movement to gain separation coming out of his cuts Knows how to use his body to create separation and shows good tracking ability Natural hands catcher who will not hesitate to compete for the ball, timing his leaps to get to it at its high point Has a great burst and second gear to take the ball to the house after the catch Plays with very good field awareness and does a nice job settling into the soft spot of the zone Maintains concentration going for the ball in a crowd and shows the vision and burst to hit a seam Will win most foot races vs. man coverage, where he is a threat to get on top of the defender and dictate the route Has shown marked improvement coming out of his breaks and in running routes, especially on the fade.

Negatives: Has the deep speed to get vertical in a hurry, but seemed hesitant to take a hit the first half of 2004 as he continued to recover from his leg injury Despite his quickness, he did not make many big plays as a senior, as he was relegated to mostly short and intermediate routes Added weight before the season, but still lacks bulk and strength to defeat the jam, relying more on his burst to avoid it If a defender gets a hand on him after the catch, you will not see much yards after catch Runs good downfield routes, but perhaps because of his injury he looked stiff in his lower body when trying to run his patterns.

INJURY REPORT
2003 -- Underwent surgery to have a rod placed in his right leg (Nov. 15) to repair a fractured right tibia and fibula suffered during the second overtime of the North Carolina State game Held out of 2004 spring drills in order to continue his rehabilitation.

2004 -- Missed the Duke game (Nov. 6) after suffering bruised ribs two weeks prior vs. Wake Forest.

AGILITY

Campus: 4.34 in the 40-yard dash 273-pound bench press 245-pound squat 306-pound power clean 4.25 20-yard shuttle 37-inch vertical jump. Combine: Attended, but did not perform 32-inch arm length 9 3/8-inch hands.

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:03 AM
St. Louis picks Jerome Carter S/ FSU

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 10:03 AM
Not a bad pick. Thorpe is a burner but could add a little weight to his frame..kind of an extremely fast snoop minnis.

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2005, 10:04 AM
If he's healthy, he's a good value....

Craphonso Thorpe
WR | (6'0", 188, 4.45) | FLORIDA STATE

Scouts Grade: 66


Strengths: Is tall, has decent bulk and the frame to get bigger. Is at his best vs. man-coverage. He shows good burst out of his breaks and the ability to consistently separate from man-coverage in the intermediate area. Has very good concentration and hand-eye coordination. Does an excellent job of adjusting to the poorly thrown ball and of tracking down the deep ball in the air. Has long arms, good leaping ability and is a weapon on the fade route. Gives a decent effort and shows some toughness as a blocker.

Weaknesses: Was once considered a consistent threat to get over the top of DB's one-on-one. However, he suffered a broken right leg on 11/19/03 and was not been as confident or aggressive following the injury as a senior. Still flashes deep speed but didn't make as many plays vertically as a senior. Is improving as a route runner but still has work to do. Needs to do a better job of recognizing zone coverage and finding soft spots in it. Did not show the same burst and second gear in 2004 that he showed prior to 2003 injury. Has a good frame and top-end speed but lacks strength and explosive initial burst. Didn't get challenged much on film in press coverage but the few times he did he seemed to get frustrated. He needs to improve his upper body strength and develop more reliable moves in terms of his release. Also can improve as a blocker if he gets stronger and fills out his frame.

Overall: Thorpe, who also has led FSU to two outdoor (2002 and 2003) and one indoor (2003) ACC Track and Field championships, has been a contributor at wide receiver and in the return game since his true freshman season in 2001. As a junior in 2003, Thorpe led the Seminoles with 51 receptions for 994 yards and 11 touchdowns despite missing the final two games because of injury. Thorpe was expected to have a huge bounce-back season in 2004 but failed to meet expectations. He was suspended for one game and wound up with just 40 receptions for 496 yards in 11 games played as a senior. Thorpe is a tall receiver who possesses adequate bulk and very good speed. He still has room to improve as a route runner and he has some durability/character concerns following broken leg in20'03 and one-game suspension (failing to attend class) in 2004. He also seemed more hesitant and less explosive coming off the injury as a senior than he was prior to it in 2003. Thorpe does, however, have the speed and home run hitting potential that is difficult to find, which is why despite failing to live up to expectations as a senior he could still wind up getting selected late on the first day or early on the second day of the 2005 draft.

Skip Towne
04-24-2005, 10:04 AM
What a crappy pick.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 10:04 AM
Thorpe - eh, I think he reminds me too much of Snoop Minnis....Thorpe is actually FAST.

mikey23545
04-24-2005, 10:05 AM
Sorry, but this is a bit of a disappointment...Kind of another Minnis. Decent speed, not much strength, a few off field issues....Probably have a lot of trouble getting off the line when getting press coverage...

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:06 AM
NO picks Chase Lyman WR/ California

WebGem
04-24-2005, 10:06 AM
I thought it started at 9PT, I woke up and turned on the TV and KC was on the clock. Perfect timing.

royr17
04-24-2005, 10:06 AM
I guess good pick, lol

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:08 AM
Funniest name in the draft?????

Atari Bigby

Wonder if his brother is called Nintendo? \

Cincy picks Eric Ghiaciuc C/ Central Michigan.

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2005, 10:09 AM
Sorry, but this is a bit of a disappointment...Kind of another Minnis. Decent speed, not much strength, a few off field issues....

Not really anything better on the board at this point at WR....had it not been for his injury, he'd have gone higher. And his "character" issues were a while back...nothing recent.... :hmmm:

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:09 AM
Washington picks Manuel White FB/UCLA

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 10:10 AM
Sorry, but this is a bit of a disappointment...Kind of another Minnis. Decent speed, not much strength, a few off field issues....Probably have a lot of trouble getting off the line when getting press coverage...

You're nuts. Minnis was 170 lbs soaking wet and did NOT have 4.34 speed. That's not "decent speed."

Skip Towne
04-24-2005, 10:10 AM
Thorpe - eh, I think he reminds me too much of Snoop Minnis....
Exactly what I thought.

royr17
04-24-2005, 10:10 AM
TD KANSAS CITY, CRAPHONSO THORPE WITH HIS FIRST CAREER NFL TD, LOL

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2005, 10:11 AM
What a crappy pick.

As a Soph, if he'd have come out....he'd a have been a first/second round pick. The injury his junior year set him back, no doubt. If he's over the injury, this is a good pick.

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 10:12 AM
You're nuts. Minnis was 170 lbs soaking wet and did NOT have 4.34 speed. That's not "decent speed."

I agree. There is no comparing the 2. Snoop was never a projected 1st Rd pick or had 4.3 speed and great size.

I love the pick

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 10:13 AM
TD KANSAS CITY, CRAPHONSO THORPE WITH HIS FIRST CAREER NFL TD, LOL

I hope he pans out. I want to yell "TD CRAP!" for many years to come.

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 10:14 AM
I agree. There is no comparing the 2. Snoop was never a projected 1st Rd pick or had 4.3 speed and great size.

I love the pick

I just hope Dick 4 Meal gets his ass on the field, unlike Parker last year.

ChiTown
04-24-2005, 10:15 AM
Thorpe is actually FAST.

He was fast. Hasn't been consistent enough since he broke the leg.

I think he's a reach in the 4th. After Mathis left, it maybe would have been a nice time to take LeFors, who just went to the Panthers....

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 10:17 AM
For our 138 pick I'd like to go after Sproles or Mcpherson or even Roydell Williams if he is still available.

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:20 AM
This is a good story of the LeFors family.

mikey23545
04-24-2005, 10:20 AM
You're nuts. Minnis was 170 lbs soaking wet and did NOT have 4.34 speed. That's not "decent speed."

Well, I've seen the kid play, you little faggot, and there is no way he runs a 4.35 even before he broke his leg...And he is just like Minnis in that he has the scrawny matchstick frame...

mikey23545
04-24-2005, 10:22 AM
From ESPN.com:

Craphonso Thorpe
WR | (6'0", 188, <B>4.45</B>) | FLORIDA STATE

Where did you get that 4.35 time from? www.CraphonsoThorpesAgent.com?

ChiTown
04-24-2005, 10:24 AM
Well, I've seen the kid play, you little pillowbiter, and there is no way he runs a 4.35 even before he broke his leg...And he is just like Minnis in that he has the scrawny matchstick frame...

Agreed.

This is a stretch for the Chiefs, only because I don't believe he''s a guy that can come in and play right away. There were others on the board that I truely felt could be difference makers for this season. I've been wrong plenty, so we'll have to see....

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 10:24 AM
From ESPN.com:

Craphonso Thorpe
WR | (6'0", 188, <B>4.45</B>) | FLORIDA STATEFrom NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/thorpe_craphonso):

Craphonso Thorpe

AGILITY
Campus: 4.34 in the 40-yard dash 273-pound bench press 245-pound squat 306-pound power clean 4.25 20-yard shuttle 37-inch vertical jump. Combine: Attended, but did not perform 32-inch arm length 9 3/8-inch hands.

Skip Towne
04-24-2005, 10:26 AM
Well, I've seen the kid play, you little pillowbiter, and there is no way he runs a 4.35 even before he broke his leg...And he is just like Minnis in that he has the scrawny matchstick frame...
That's rep.

mikey23545
04-24-2005, 10:28 AM
From NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/thorpe_craphonso):

Craphonso Thorpe

AGILITY
Campus: 4.34 in the 40-yard dash 273-pound bench press 245-pound squat 306-pound power clean 4.25 20-yard shuttle 37-inch vertical jump. Combine: Attended, but did not perform 32-inch arm length 9 3/8-inch hands.

Never trust what the college says, unless it was some third party doing the timimg.

Plus, as I said, I've seen him play and if he runs a 4.3 it has to be the "quietest" 4.3 I've ever seen...

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 10:30 AM
Never trust what the college says, unless it was some third party doing the timimg.

Plus, as I said, I've seen him play and if he runs a 4.3 it has to be the "quietest" 4.3 I've ever seen...I don't care either way, I was just providing some numbers.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 10:34 AM
Never trust what the college says, unless it was some third party doing the timimg.Pretty sure those were the numbers from Pro Day at FSU.

To contrast, the only 40 times I found for Snoop had him at 4.48 (notoriously fast spring practice numbers) and 4.53.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 10:35 AM
Pretty sure those were the numbers from Pro Day at FSU.Found his pro-day numbers: Thorpe (6-0 7/8, 187) ran his 40s in 4.37 and 4.50. Had a 35-inch vertical jump, 9-foor-10 long jump, 4.31 short shuttle, 7.15 three-cone drill and did 15 reps.

Also from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#fsu)

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 10:36 AM
Apparently NFL.com is wrong. :shrug:

Don't shoot the messenger.

Chiefs are picking in 9.

AirForceChief
04-24-2005, 10:37 AM
I think that's a good size and speed combo. He gets solid with his injury recovery from a mentality aspect and he could help this year...

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:39 AM
And the Chergers pick Sproles

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 10:40 AM
**** San Diego took sproles

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 10:41 AM
Sproles sucks anyway...Q Griffin 2.0.

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:41 AM
Pittsburgh selected Fred Gibson WR/Georgia

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 10:43 AM
So glad Sproles is gone. Wish it wasn't SD though, better bulk up our special teams.

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:46 AM
Chris Canty went to Dallas.

alanm
04-24-2005, 10:46 AM
Chris Canty to Dallas

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:51 AM
Tennessee is the last pick in the 4th round.

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 10:54 AM
Chiefs are about to pick!

Picks 138 and 147

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:54 AM
Tennesse picks Roydell Williams WR/ Tulane

We officially start the 5th round.

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 10:54 AM
Well there goes roydell williams

Frazod
04-24-2005, 10:55 AM
We're on deck.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 10:55 AM
We're up.

Coach
04-24-2005, 10:55 AM
KC picking.

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 10:55 AM
Chiefs are on the clock!

Rausch
04-24-2005, 10:55 AM
On the clock now. We go RB or OT here? D line perhaps?

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 10:56 AM
MCPHERSON

Frazod
04-24-2005, 10:57 AM
Hey, at least they're not going to a commercial. :grr:

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 10:58 AM
DAMMIT NO COMMERCIAL

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 10:58 AM
****..commercial

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 10:58 AM
We're apparently their "go to commercial" team. :cuss:

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 10:58 AM
Hey, at least they're not going to a commercial. :grr:

jinxed it :cuss:

alanm
04-24-2005, 10:59 AM
So natch they go to commercial when the Chiefs are up. :cuss:

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
04-24-2005, 11:00 AM
Hey, at least they're not going to a commercial. :grr:


Damnit Fraz, don't you know the Law of the unmentionables?

If something is going right and you mention it, it'll immediately go bad.
If something is going bad and you mention it, it'll immediately get worse.

:banghead:

Coach
04-24-2005, 11:00 AM
Whew. They got back in time.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 11:00 AM
LB James "Boomer" Grigsby?

Frazod
04-24-2005, 11:00 AM
jinxed it :cuss:

Another LB!

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 11:00 AM
SCORE a ILB noyce boomer eh?

Coach
04-24-2005, 11:00 AM
James "boomer" Grisby LB/Illinois St.

OmahaChief
04-24-2005, 11:01 AM
WhooHoo Grigz

chiefscafan
04-24-2005, 11:01 AM
QUESTION GUYS DO WE HAVE THE BALLS TO PICK mC pHERSON????

siberian khatru
04-24-2005, 11:01 AM
Anybody mentioned Dallas' draft? Ware, Spears, Burnett and Canty.

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 11:01 AM
BOOMER

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 11:02 AM
We have the 147 pick so it's pretty much back to back

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 11:03 AM
Shit why don't we go get Chad Scott? I thought he would've been gone by now

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 11:05 AM
Sporting News ranks him "Best in Pursuit"

6-0 252 4.5 40

"Good size and strength. Has good top-end speed. Moves well laterally and forward. Good instincts and makes quick reads. Has excellent closing burst and is a powerfull tackler with good pop at the point of attack. Is a good blitzer."

Yes sir :thumb:

Coach
04-24-2005, 11:05 AM
David McMillan DE from KU going to Cleveland.

Coach
04-24-2005, 11:13 AM
Damion Nash, from Mizzou, RB, goes to Tennessee.

Frazod
04-24-2005, 11:16 AM
Trent continues to impress in his analyst role. :thumb:

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 11:18 AM
Anybody else ready to fast-forward to August so we can see these guys play?

Coach
04-24-2005, 11:20 AM
KC is picking at 147. 2 more picks after Detroit and Philly.

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 11:21 AM
There goes Orlovsky to the Lions

Frazod
04-24-2005, 11:22 AM
Chiefs on deck. Cue the commercial break! :D

alanm
04-24-2005, 11:22 AM
We're up again next after Philly.

siberian khatru
04-24-2005, 11:22 AM
Anybody else ready to fast-forward to August so we can see these guys play?

I may start a thread on this topic later, but so this has struck me as the most logical draft the Chiefs have had in a long time. No reaches, guys who fill immediate-need roles (P, ST, etc.).

Coach
04-24-2005, 11:22 AM
KC on the clock.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 11:22 AM
Mike Cloud sighting.

Didn't realize he was with the vaGiants. Or even in the league.

alanm
04-24-2005, 11:23 AM
We'll go defense again.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 11:23 AM
About time for another commercial isn't it?

Skip Towne
04-24-2005, 11:25 AM
About time for another commercial isn't it?
ROFL

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 11:25 AM
hmmm another CB LOL

Coach
04-24-2005, 11:25 AM
The 5th Round, Pick 147, the Kansas City Chiefs pick:

Alphonso Hodge CB/Miami (OH)

Frazod
04-24-2005, 11:27 AM
hmmm another CB LOL

The Rat's gonna be pissed. :D

SCTrojan
04-24-2005, 11:27 AM
Looks like they are continuing to hammer away at the defensive issues we have.

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 11:27 AM
Alphonso Hodge Grade: 3.46
Position: CB
Class: Sr
School: Miami (OH)
Conference: MAC
Ht., Wt.: 5-11, 203
40 Time: 4.52

Grading System

BIO: All-Conference selection and consistent starter the past three seasons. Posted 52 tackles and broke up six passes as a senior.

POSITIVES: Outstanding athlete with good cover skills. Quick backpedaling in reverse, immediately plants on the throw and displays an explosive break to the action. Fluid turning to run with opponents off the line and easily stays downfield with receivers. Loses nothing transitioning back to the ball and displays good reaction. Runs with receivers laterally and has a solid break to the pass.

NEGATIVES: Does not play to his size, rarely slows opponents with jams at the line of scrimmage, does more knocking down then tackling and has difficulty battling large receivers. Played back on his heels as a senior and seemingly did more chasing than recovering. Has not recorded an interception in three years.

ANALYSIS: An athletic cornerback with innate skills, Hodge must start to show more consistency and significantly improve his ball skills. Needs to become more physical, play to his measurables and prove he is more than just a nickel back at the next level.

PROJECTION: Late Fourth Round

Skip Towne
04-24-2005, 11:28 AM
The 5th Round, Pick 147, the Kansas City Chiefs pick:

Alphonso Hodge CB/Miami (OH)
OK, Alphonso and Craphonso. Al and Crap.

Rausch
04-24-2005, 11:28 AM
About time for another commercial isn't it?

And like clockwork...

The commentators don't even mention KC or the pick. Nice ****ing coverage... :cuss:

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 11:28 AM
OVERVIEW
A true shutdown cornerback, Alphonso Hodge started his last 27 games for the RedHawks. He was not only the strongest defensive back on the team, but also the fastest player in the Mid-American Conference, boasting a 4.36 clocking in the 40-yard dash.

Hodge was a first-team All-League, All-District and All-State selection as a senior at Saint Edward (Cleveland) High. He earned three letters as a defensive back and tailback for the Eagles and was honored as the team's 1999 MVP.

Hodge redshirted in 2000 at Miami and saw action in seven games during the 2001 campaign, earning a starting assignment against Hawaii. He finished his freshman year with eight tackles and two pass deflections. Hodge started the first seven games of the 2002 season, producing 30 tackles (20 solo) with a pair of sacks and seven pass break-ups.

He was a second-team All-Mid American Conference choice in 2003, starting every game. Hodge came up with 47 tackles (27 solo), a sack, three fumble recoveries and nine pass breakups. Hodge allowed only three touchdown catches in 2004, as he made a career-high 52 tackles (41 solo). He developed into a force at the line of scrimmage, registering five sacks and seven stops for losses. He also deflected six passes in his final season with the RedHawks.

In 46 games, Hodge totaled 147 tackles (103 solo) with eight sacks for minus-48 yards, 10 stops for losses of 51 yards, three fumble recoveries and 24 pass deflections.


ANALYSIS
Positives: Well-built athlete with thick shoulders and biceps, good bubble, knotted calves and large hands. Has natural feet and can flip his hips, generating good explosion in attempts to run to the ball. Uses his hands with force to press and jam the receivers at the line of scrimmage. Shows excellent range and crispness cutting out of his breaks and has the top-end speed to immediately recover. Times his leaps well going up for the ball and has the strength to fill the rush lanes. Opens his hips and shows smooth feet in his backpedal. Very effective using the trail technique in man coverage. Quick out of his breaks and has a good feel for zone coverage, as he can cover ground quickly on the turn and run. Good worker in the weight room who has the strength to match up well against tight ends and fullbacks blocking in the short area.

Negatives: Struggles to get by in the classroom and also does not always show quick read and diagnose skills, lacking awareness mostly on running plays. Slow to digest the play and by the time he locates the ball, he is a step behind the play and then takes bad angles in attempts to compensate in pursuit. Has good strength, but will not shock or jolt blockers coming up in run support, as he tends to take only passive swipes. Seemed hesitant to stick his head in the pile until 2004. More of a grab-down tackler who can miss in the open when he tries to arm tackle. Lacks natural hands (zero interceptions) and has problems tracking the ball over his shoulder.


INJURY REPORT
2003: Saw limited action vs. Central Florida (10/28) and Bowling Green (12/04) due to a high ankle sprain.


AGILITY
4.36 in the 40-yard dash 345-pound bench press 510-pound squat 330-power clean 35.5-inch vertical jump 31-inch arm length 9 -inch hands Right-handed 18/34 Wonderlic score.


HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Saint Edward (Cleveland) High, playing football for coach John Gibbeons. First-team All-League, All-District and All-State selection as a senior. Earned

three varsity letters as a defensive back and tailback for the Eagles. Honored as Saint Edward's 1999 team MVP.

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 11:29 AM
NEGATIVES: Does not play to his size, rarely slows opponents with jams at the line of scrimmage, does more knocking down then tackling and has difficulty battling large receivers. Played back on his heels as a senior and seemingly did more chasing than recovering. Has not recorded an interception in three years.



PROJECTION: Late Fourth Round

Oh shit...William Bartee.

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 11:30 AM
ANALYSIS: An athletic cornerback with innate skills, Hodge must start to show more consistency and significantly improve his ball skills. Needs to become more physical, play to his measurables and prove he is more than just a nickel back at the next level.

Gunther will help him with that.

Frazod
04-24-2005, 11:32 AM
Oh shit...William Bartee.

Yeah, but maybe this guy can actually turn his head. :spock:

Rausch
04-24-2005, 11:33 AM
Lacks natural hands (zero interceptions) and has problems tracking the ball over his shoulder.


http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/187487.jpg

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 11:33 AM
Gunther wants him for his body...

Rausch
04-24-2005, 11:34 AM
Yeah, but maybe this guy can actually turn his head. :spock:

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~calman/ddp/arrowDown.jpg

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 11:37 AM
I'm just impressed that the chiefs are this serious about defense. I thought they'd string together picks to go for offense like recievers and tight ends but then they come back with an ILB and a CB that just need experience and help on their skills. I'm very happy we've stuck with defense even after there aren't that many playmakers on the board.

Coach
04-24-2005, 11:39 AM
As for the WR.

Craphonzo!

Hell, thats better than Snoop or Smoot ROFL

Coach
04-24-2005, 11:40 AM
And there goes McPherson, to NO.

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 11:40 AM
there goes McPhearson to the Saints

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 11:40 AM
Yet another thing to thank Al Davis for: hiring Norv Turner.

Committment to mediocrity!

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 11:41 AM
The Saints get McPherson.

Gravedigger
04-24-2005, 11:41 AM
Hmmm not too many QB's really left.

WebGem
04-24-2005, 11:47 AM
I love the Chiefs.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 11:51 AM
Some potentially nice pickups for R6:

Antaaj Hawthorne
Bill Swancutt
Wesley Britt
George Gause
Albert Means
Michael Munoz
Derek Anderson

suds79
04-24-2005, 11:52 AM
With our Right Tackle situation, don't we almost have to go Michael Munoz at this point?

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 11:54 AM
And like clockwork...

The commentators don't even mention KC or the pick. Nice ****ing coverage... :cuss:

When we win the Super Bowl THEY WILL BE FORCED TO TALK ABOUT US!!!!!!!!

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 11:56 AM
With our Right Tackle situation, don't we almost have to go Michael Munoz at this point?

Michael Munoz will probably be more of a guard at the pro level. He is not very mobile. He's stiff and is better in smaller areas, which would be at an interior line position.

chiefscafan
04-24-2005, 12:00 PM
Question guys does ESPN hate us?

their coverage of us just sucks

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 12:01 PM
Yay. MORE ON MAURICE! :rolleyes:

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 12:03 PM
Time to send this story to the glue factory.

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 12:03 PM
"Maybe the profile of their running backs is changing!"

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Coach
04-24-2005, 12:03 PM
Yeah, you go Jaws!

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 12:04 PM
Time to send this story to the glue factory.

I heard Derrick Johnson was opening a glue factory in Denver next year on a Monday Night.

Coach
04-24-2005, 12:06 PM
Jesus Christ. Hoge just said Clarett is better than Ron Dayne.

He's smoking something very powerful I'd say.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 12:07 PM
Wow. Boley fell all the way to 160. Great value for Atlanta.

Skip Towne
04-24-2005, 12:08 PM
Coming up next: MAURICE CLARETT. I can't wait.

chiefscafan
04-24-2005, 12:08 PM
Heck ESPN is probably gonna cut away from the draft for the press conference and not show who got drafted. I'm losing my faith in ESPN

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 12:09 PM
Jesus Christ. Hoge just said Clarett is better than Ron Dayne.That's like saying solid shit is better than runny shit.

WebGem
04-24-2005, 12:10 PM
How did we change to Miami?

WebGem
04-24-2005, 12:11 PM
Alabi

WebGem
04-24-2005, 12:12 PM
That's like saying solid shit is better than runny shit.
ROFL

unlurking
04-24-2005, 12:12 PM
Michael Munoz will probably be more of a guard at the pro level. He is not very mobile. He's stiff and is better in smaller areas, which would be at an interior line position.
Exactly, which is why we should still look at him with Shields up in the air after this season.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 12:15 PM
How did we change to Miami?Carl put together an incosequential trade with them a couple of days ago. Sort of like shuffling a deck of cards to look like you're doing something.

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 12:15 PM
Exactly, which is why we should still look at him with Shields up in the air after this season.

Thats fine if they draft him to be a guard. If they put him at tackle he will be more of a flop and disappointment than Welbourne.

Coach
04-24-2005, 12:16 PM
Here's another interesting option for KC is Bryan Randall QB from Virginia Tech.

unlurking
04-24-2005, 12:23 PM
Thats fine if they draft him to be a guard. If they put him at tackle he will be more of a flop and disappointment than Welbourne.
Agreed, but I think we have serious need coming up on offense over the next few years, and OL positions seem to take much longer to adjust to the NFL game. I'm hoping Black does well, but we really need some depth that can move up and take over for our aging vets as they retire.

Skip Towne
04-24-2005, 12:23 PM
It's O-line time. Ours is going to collapse all at once.

unlurking
04-24-2005, 12:23 PM
Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!

How much f*cking Clarett do we need?!?!?!

:mad:

I hope he trips over his couch.

Crush
04-24-2005, 12:27 PM
Why does this douche get his own press conference?

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 12:27 PM
Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!

How much f*cking Clarett do we need?!?!?!

:mad:

I hope he trips over his couch.And lands on his face in the driveway.

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 12:30 PM
Hoping for Michael Munoz in the 6th...that would be crazy value for that kid and fill a future need with the retirement of Roaf.

KCJake
04-24-2005, 12:30 PM
Is it weird that I hope Clarett rushes for 1500 yards this season?
I still want the Broncos to go 0-16. For some reason, im pulling for this guy.

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 12:32 PM
Is it weird that I hope Clarett rushes for 1500 yards this season?
I still want the Broncos to go 0-16. For some reason, im pulling for this guy.

:cuss: The guy is a turd, don't let him fool ya.

Chan93lx50
04-24-2005, 12:32 PM
Somebody shut this putz up! Who gives a flying ****?

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 12:32 PM
Jesus f*cking Christ, has the last pick of the first day ever gotten this much face time?

You know, maybe that's why they drafted him. Because he's a story, not because he'll ever do anything.

Hercules Rockefell
04-24-2005, 12:34 PM
Why does this douche get his own press conference?

Not sure how the Chiefs do it, but Denver always has a press conference on Sunday with their 1st Day picks. ESPN just chose to cover it.

Frazod
04-24-2005, 12:36 PM
Thank God that's over. At least the streamer is running again. :shake:

Crush
04-24-2005, 12:36 PM
:cuss::cuss::cuss: Stupid donkies!!!!

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 12:37 PM
Antaaj Hawthorne
Bill Swancutt
Michael Munoz
George Gause
Albert Means
Derek Anderson

keg in kc
04-24-2005, 12:37 PM
Hey are we picking now? You know, since a commercial's running.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 12:38 PM
Hey are we picking now? You know, since a commercial's running.ROFL

Coach
04-24-2005, 12:39 PM
And we are officially starating Round 6.

Coach
04-24-2005, 12:40 PM
KC is in 187th pick.

Skip Towne
04-24-2005, 12:40 PM
Jesus f*cking Christ, has the last pick of the first day ever gotten this much face time?

You know, maybe that's why they drafted him. Because he's a story, not because he'll ever do anything.
That's a pretty expensive way to get ink. I think the rat believes he can make a RB out of anyone. The fool.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 12:45 PM
****, the Raiders got Hawthorne.

"Oh no, he tested positive for the demon weed. Better avoid him like the plague." :rolleyes:

raypec85
04-24-2005, 12:55 PM
Sorry, but this is a bit of a disappointment...Kind of another Minnis. Decent speed, not much strength, a few off field issues....Probably have a lot of trouble getting off the line when getting press coverage...

I don't think that's a good comparison. Minnis was 10 pounds lighter coming out of college and not as fast either.

raypec85
04-24-2005, 12:58 PM
Exactly what I thought.

You guys comparing Thorpe to Minnis aren't thinking through this. Minnis was at least 10 pounds lighter, was NOT as fast, plus KC spent a third round pick on Minnis. They got Thorpe for a 5th rounder. This is a much better pick for the value than Minnis was.

Rausch
04-24-2005, 01:02 PM
You guys comparing Thorpe to Minnis aren't thinking through this. Minnis was at least 10 pounds lighter, was NOT as fast, plus KC spent a third round pick on Minnis. They got Thorpe for a 5th rounder. This is a much better pick for the value than Minnis was.

And scouting Minnins it was obvious he had NFL talent.

Problem is the guy makes Paris Hilton look like Stephen Hawking...

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2005, 01:05 PM
Nice pick by the Jets - Cedric Houston. He'll be able to spell Martin.

David.
04-24-2005, 01:07 PM
let's slob on NE's FO a little longer.....

you know...instead of evaluating players who have been drafted.

Coach
04-24-2005, 01:07 PM
2 more picks, after Jax and Detroit, KC is up again.