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Bwana
04-24-2005, 02:10 PM
Any Value left out there?

HolmeZz
04-24-2005, 02:12 PM
Shazor and Browner.

eazyb81
04-24-2005, 02:17 PM
Gino Giudugli.....QBOTF

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 02:20 PM
Some bigger name value left:

T.A. McLendon (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9082)
Anthony Davis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8802)
Michael Munoz (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8642)
Taylor Stubblefield (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8938)
Steve Savoy (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9089)
Matt Grootegoed (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8274)
Chauncey Stovall (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9039)
Adell Duckett (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8224)

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:21 PM
J.R. Russell Grade: 3.66
Position: WR
Class: Sr
School: Louisville
Conference: C-USA
Ht., Wt.: 6-3, 206
40 Time: 4.57
Grading System


BIO: All-Conference selection as a senior who led the league in receiving posting 67/909/6. Career numbers came as a junior and included 75/1,213/8.

POSITIVES: Consistent pass catcher with adequate size/speed numbers. Settles into the open spot on the field, comes back to the ball and offers the quarterback a nice target. Displays good eye/hand coordination, looks the ball into his hands and effectively uses his frame to shield away opponents. Adjusts well to the errant throw or extends vertically to pull the pass from the air. Makes the tough catch in traffic and displays good concentration. Sells routes and displays moves in the open field. Nasty blocker who looks to take opponents.

NEGATIVES: Lacks the speed to beat defenders deep and cannot run to the long throw. Tends to gather or slow into breaks. More of a long strider and lacks an explosive burst of speed. Work ethic has been questioned in the past.

ANALYSIS: A consistent receiver who makes both the easy and difficult receptions with regularity, Russell nicely projects as a third wide out at the next level. May need some time to adjust but can play in the NFL if he puts forth the effort.

PROJECTION: Mid Third Round

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:22 PM
Jim Davis Grade: 3.77
Position: DE
Class: Sr
School: Virginia Tech
Conference: ACC
Ht., Wt.: 6-3.5, 277
40 Time: 5.11
Grading System


BIO: Second team All-Conference choice as a senior after posting 28/12/5. Missed the entire 2003 season following surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle. Started six games as a true junior and registered 37/9/5.

POSITIVES: Athletic defensive lineman effective stopping the run or rushing the passer. Explodes off the snap with a quick first step, plays low with leverage and holds his ground against double teams. Fast off the edge when placed at end and fluid making plays up and down the line of scrimmage. Displays footwork moving laterally, immediately alters his angle of attack or redirects to ballcarriers. Gets pushed up the field and exploits immobile blockers.

NEGATIVES: Undersized for tackle and engulfed at the point. Struggles getting off blocks if he does not beat opponents with the first move.

ANALYSIS: A lineman that has flashed ability throughout college, Davis had his career slowed by injury. Possesses plenty of upside potential for the next level, and capped off a good campaign in 2004 with a terrific Senior Bowl. The arrow is pointing up and has possibilities at defensive tackle or as two-gap lineman.

PROJECTION: Late Second Round

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:23 PM
Jay Ratliff Grade: 3.53
Position: DE
Class: Sr
School: Auburn
Conference: SEC
Ht., Wt.: 6-3.5, 275
40 Time: 4.88
Grading System


BIO: Starter two of the past three seasons, posting 37/4/1 as a senior. Moved to defensive tackle as a senior after primarily playing the end position since his freshman campaign.

POSITIVES: Undersized yet athletic lineman who improved his play as a senior. Leverage defender who stays low to the ground, quickly changes direction and displays the ability to immediately alter his angle of attack. Plays with balance, forward lean and rarely off his feet. Showed marked improvement reading and diagnosing the action last year. Works his hands to stay off blocks, pursues laterally and displays speed to the flanks. Fluid changing direction and makes plays up and down the line of scrimmage.

NEGATIVES: Small for a defensive tackle, handled by opponents and turned off the line of scrimmage. Several durability issues prior to his senior campaign.

ANALYSIS: A potential late bloomer, Ratliff capped off a fine senior campaign with an excellent showing in the East-West game this past January. Has the ability to backup at several positions in the NFL and could be used as a three-technique tackle or left defensive end. Must continue to stay healthy and progress, but has solid upside for the next level.

PROJECTION: Late Third Round

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:24 PM
Timmy Chang Grade: 3.26
Position: QB
Class: Sr
School: Hawaii
Conference: WAC
Ht., Wt.: 6-1, 211
40 Time: 5.14
Grading System


BIO: Four-year starter awarded All-Conference honors since his freshman campaign. Senior passing numbers included 59.5%/4,258/38/13. Junior totals included 58.7 percent/4,199/29/20. Set the NCAA Division I-A career record for passing yards.

POSITIVES: Diminutive quarterback who greatly benefited from the passing offense at Hawaii. Quickly finds the open wide out on the field, immediately releases the ball and displays a good sense of timing. Patient, buys as much time as possible and does not release the throw until the last second. Displays a nice feel for the position, knows where receivers are on the field and accurately places his throws. Puts the deep pass in front of receivers letting them run to the ball and hits targets in the intermediate field as they leave their breaks. Short throws possess good speed. Goes to the safe underneath route if nothing else is available.

NEGATIVES: Short arms his throwing motion. Takes most of his snaps out of the shotgun and releases the ball off his back foot. Tends to stare down the primary target. Does not throw tight spirals. Cannot drive the deep throw and has marginal long accuracy.

ANALYSIS: A passer that.s taken full advantage of the system he plays in, Chang possesses marginal upside for the next level. Does not have the arm strength or stature to play in the NFL, though he could be an asset as a practice squad passer.

PROJECTION: Undrafted Free Agent

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:26 PM
Ryan Fitzpatrick Grade: 3.31
Position: QB
School: Harvard
Conference: Ivy
Ht., Wt.: 6-2.5, 232
40 Time: 4.88
Grading System


BIO: Ivy League Player of the Year last season after connecting on 57.2 percent/1,986/13/6 of his passes. Also added 448 yards rushing and five additional scores. Has played with the first team since his freshman campaign.

POSITIVES: Left-handed quarterback with the athleticism and arm strength to play at the next level. Quickly sets up in the pocket, sells the ball fakes, and displays good zip on passes. Throws with an over-the-top delivery, possesses a live arm and quickly gets the ball out of his hand off a three-step drop. Puts touch on throws when necessary. Looks off the safety and goes to the safe underneath route. Solid field vision. Times the outs well, leads receivers between the numbers and puts the deep passes in front of targets. Can scramble in the pocket or pick up yardage with his legs.

NEGATIVES: Most of his snaps are taken out of the shotgun and must improve the fine points of his set up and delivery. Tries to whip the ball too much and high of the mark. Adversely reacts to pressure and has a tendency to quickly pull the ball down then take off the up the field. Falls out of throws, which negatively affects his accuracy.

ANALYSIS: A consistent producer on the college level, Fitzpatrick must improve his overall quarterback skills and take his game to the next level. Benefited from playing at a low level of competition and will need work and repetition in a pro-style passing game. Worth the investment of a late-round choice and a prospect to develop on a practice squad or in Europe over the next few seasons.

PROJECTION: Late Seventh Round

Skip Towne
04-24-2005, 02:26 PM
Decisions, decisions.

Count Zarth
04-24-2005, 02:27 PM
Timmy Chang Grade: 3.26
Position: QB
Class: Sr
School: Hawaii
Conference: WAC
Ht., Wt.: 6-1, 211
40 Time: 5.14
Grading System


BIO: Four-year starter awarded All-Conference honors since his freshman campaign. Senior passing numbers included 59.5%/4,258/38/13. Junior totals included 58.7 percent/4,199/29/20. Set the NCAA Division I-A career record for passing yards.

POSITIVES: Diminutive quarterback who greatly benefited from the passing offense at Hawaii. Quickly finds the open wide out on the field, immediately releases the ball and displays a good sense of timing. Patient, buys as much time as possible and does not release the throw until the last second. Displays a nice feel for the position, knows where receivers are on the field and accurately places his throws. Puts the deep pass in front of receivers letting them run to the ball and hits targets in the intermediate field as they leave their breaks. Short throws possess good speed. Goes to the safe underneath route if nothing else is available.

NEGATIVES: Short arms his throwing motion. Takes most of his snaps out of the shotgun and releases the ball off his back foot. Tends to stare down the primary target. Does not throw tight spirals. Cannot drive the deep throw and has marginal long accuracy.

ANALYSIS: A passer that.s taken full advantage of the system he plays in, Chang possesses marginal upside for the next level. Does not have the arm strength or stature to play in the NFL, though he could be an asset as a practice squad passer.

PROJECTION: Undrafted Free Agent


It's Trent Green reincarnated!

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:27 PM
Kay Jay Harris Grade: 3.65
Position: HB
Class: Sr
School: West Virginia
Conference: Big East
Ht., Wt.: 6-0.5, 241
40 Time: 4.65
Grading System


BIO: Second-team All-Conference selection as a senior after leading the Mountaineers on the ground with 140/825/9 while adding 16/131/2 catching the ball. Junior numbers included 91/524/4 when he also averaged 20.7 yards on 18 kick returns. Played minor league baseball in the Texas Rangers organization before entering West Virginia and will be 28 years old before draft day.

POSITIVES: Well-sized interior ballcarrier who can handle the load. Patient back who sees the field, finds the hole, then breaks several tackles during a single hand off. Drives up the field, tough to bring down, and falls forward when tackled, picking up extra yardage. Possesses a burst of speed, relatively quick footed and wedges through the small openings in the defense. Aggressively puts his shoulders into opponents and delivers punishing blows. Adequate speed and agility around tackle. Displays good hands out of the backfield, extending to catch the pass away from his frame.

NEGATIVES: Wastes a lot of motion and not an efficient, streamlined runner. Does not display the ability to change direction or cut back running full speed. Cannot create and not an elusive runner. Suffered fumbling problems as a senior. Struggled with minor nicks and bruises the past two seasons.

ANALYSIS: Possessing outstanding size/speed numbers for the next level and showing flashes of dominance carrying the ball, Harris is a prospect worthy of being a top-45 choice at face value. Yet when taking into consideration his injury history and age, he sits as a late first day choice best suited in a system that rotates ballcarriers.

PROJECTION: Mid Third Round

Bwana
04-24-2005, 02:28 PM
Hey, if we can pull anything out of the scrub round, it will be a bonus.

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:28 PM
Nehemiah Broughton Grade: 3.62
Position: FB
Class: Sr
School: The Citadel
Conference: Southern
Ht., Wt.: 5-11.5, 250
40 Time: 4.65
Grading System


BIO: Three-year starter was All-Conference selection the past two years. Rushing totals as a senior were 180/793/5, after 165/778/8 the prior season. Posted a career-best 1,038 yards rushing as a sophomore. Totaled 46 receptions the past three years.

POSITIVES: Big, powerful back who possesses solid running skills. Runs with forward lean, puts his shoulders down into opponents and falls forward when tackled. Keeps moving up the field, yet also displays the ability to slide off tackles. Surprisingly nimble with good first-step quickness. Has the ability to quickly cut back, make defenders miss and displays a burst through the hole. Helps the quarterback sell the play fakes and aggressive with blocking assignments. Adequate pass catcher out of the backfield.

NEGATIVES: Overall not a back who can create when nothing is available. A little stiff.

ANALYSIS: A bruising runner on the inside who can take a pounding, Broughton presents himself as a complete runner on film. Combines solid ball-carrying skills as well as football intangibles, which should help him at the next level. Performed well as a lead blocker at the Senior Bowl and has the potential to be a triple-threat fullback if he improves his hands.

PROJECTION: Early Third Round

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:29 PM
Noah Herron Grade: 3.51
Position: FB
Class: Sr
School: Northwestern
Conference: Big Ten
Ht., Wt.: 5-11, 224
40 Time: 4.74
Grading System


BIO: Moved into the starting lineup as a senior, leading the team in rushing with 274/1,381/5 to go with 36/351/1 as a pass catcher. Shared the ball with Jason Wright as a junior, yet still posted 739 yards rushing with five scores.

POSITIVES: Good-sized ballcarrier with solid running intangibles. Keeps driving forward displaying strength in his lower body and a punishing runner between tackles who picks up yardage off initial contact. Works to finish runs and always giving top effort. Also patient, waits for blocks to develop and immediately finds the running lanes. Solid receiver out of the backfield, extending his hands to catch the ball away from his frame.

NEGATIVES: Lacks speed and agility around the corner. Not an elusive runner who can immediately change direction or make defenders miss. Must pick up all aspects of his blocking.

ANALYSIS: An offensive threat as a ballcarrier or pass catcher, Herron's ultimate NFL position could be at fullback. Has potential as a triple-threat player, yet must quickly improve all of his blocking skills as well as intensity.

PROJECTION: Early Fourth Round

bricks
04-24-2005, 02:29 PM
its either Browner or Shazor now, we can't mess this up.

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:30 PM
Andre Frazier Grade: 3.43
Position: OLB
Class: Sr
School: Cincinnati
Conference: C-USA
Ht., Wt.: 6-4.5, 234
40 Time: 4.73
Grading System


BIO: All-Conference selection the past two seasons posting 37/11/5 as a junior and 56/10.5/7 the prior year. Moved into the starting lineup as a sophomore.

POSITIVES: Undersized yet explosive collegiate defensive end who projects to linebacker at the next level. Quick off the snap, keeps his pads low to the ground and drives up the field. Plays with excellent balance, body control and works hard until the whistle blows. Displays effective hand technique getting around opponents, rushes the edge with speed and redirects to the action. Rarely off his feet and moves laterally to string plays to the flanks. Good head for the ball and immediately diagnoses the action.

NEGATIVES: Handled at the point by a single blocker or moved off the line. Has difficulty shedding blocks by opposing tight ends.

ANALYSIS: An athletic prospect who lined up in a three point stance in college, Frazier projects well to outside linebacker in a 34 defense. Displays both the instincts and athletic abilities to play in space and has long range potential.

PROJECTION: Mid Fifth Round

Bwana
04-24-2005, 02:47 PM
Woo-Woo we are about to find out.

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:48 PM
Brandon Browner Grade: 3.65
Position: CB
Class: So
School: Oregon St.
Conference: Pac-10
Ht., Wt.: 6-3.5, 215
40 Time: 4.69
Grading System


BIO: Two-year starter and second team All-Conference choice as a sophomore last season after 44 tackles and 9 pass breakups. PAC-10 Freshman of the Year in 2003 after posting 43/6/6.

POSITIVES: Well-sized, shut-down cornerback with good upside for the next level. Solid backpedaling in reverse, flips his hips in transition and displays a burst of closing speed. Effective in man-to-man coverage and has opposing quarterbacks looking away from him. Reads the receivers. eyes, gets his head back around, and makes plays on the ball. Quickly plants, then breaks on the throw. Gets vertical and adjusts to knock away the pass. Effectively uses his large frame to box out opponents. Explosive run defender who flashes on the scene and looks to deliver the knockout throw. Defeats blocks on his way to the ballcarrier.

NEGATIVES: More of a long strider with built-up speed rather than a quick, sudden defender. Gets turned, not the most instinctive player, and at times does a lot of chasing. Marginally effective backed off the line of scrimmage. Often flagged for pass interference. Times poorly at the combine.

ANALYSIS: A defensive back with outstanding size and strength, Browner is perfectly suited to play press coverage at the next level and also has possibilities at safety. Possesses a lot of upside potential and has the skills to be a shut-down cornerback in the NFL, but far from the finished product -- needs time to develop his overall game and will only be effective in certain systems.

PROJECTION: Mid Third Round

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 02:48 PM
Hope it is Browner, Munoz or Shazor...

ChiefsCountry
04-24-2005, 02:49 PM
Brandon Browner, CB of Oregon St and Alex Holmes, TE of USC

Mr. Laz
04-24-2005, 02:50 PM
grab browner and move him to free safety

Bwana
04-24-2005, 02:52 PM
Get the FO, we drafted a QB??

VonneMarie
04-24-2005, 02:52 PM
Who is Kilian? :spock:

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 02:53 PM
Never heard of the kid...

Bwana
04-24-2005, 02:54 PM
Who is Kilian? :spock:

The next Joe Fricken Montana!! Yeah, feel it!

KevB
04-24-2005, 02:54 PM
Never heard of the kid...


This kid was semi recruited by KState, then ultimately wasn't offered. He really wanted to be a Wildcat. Ultimately went to his hometown school. All I know is that he had a 55% completion percentage with more Ints than TDs his senior season.

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 02:55 PM
Shitty numbers.


Took 35 sacks...threw more INT's 16, than TD's 13.


Looks like a silly, shitty pick but who knows.

KevB
04-24-2005, 02:56 PM
JR Russell, the WR from Louisville would be another option.

Bwana
04-24-2005, 02:58 PM
OK, one more 7th round scrub pick, who's it going to be?

VonneMarie
04-24-2005, 03:01 PM
The next Joe Fricken Montana!! Yeah, feel it!
No :shake:

Bwana
04-24-2005, 03:03 PM
No :shake:

Party pooper :)