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ILChief
04-24-2005, 04:53 PM
Picks I liked:
Derrick Johnson
Patrick Surtain
Dustin Colquitt
Jeremy Parquett
Craphonso Thorpe

Haven't decided yet
Alphonso Hodge
Khari Long
Boomer

Not too crazy about
James Kilian
Will Svitek

any thoughts?

ChiefsCountry
04-24-2005, 04:55 PM
Here is my thoughts:

Picks I liked:
Derrick Johnson
Dustin Colquitt
Craphonso Thorpe
Boomer Grigsby
Jeremy Parquett

Haven't decided yet
Alphonso Hodge
Will Svitek
James Kilian

Not too crazy about
Khari Long

Good draft overall - B+ to A-

royr17
04-24-2005, 04:55 PM
What I think is that we are goin to have a killer defense this year, the defense of the 90's is back, with a offense of the 00's, yea baby.

siberian khatru
04-24-2005, 04:56 PM
I like Hodge as a possibility, at least to replace Battle. I like Boomer as a ST stud. Hope Gun can turn him into a LB contributor.

I don't get Long. Seems more of an edge rusher in a 3-4 than a true OLB in 4-3.

Haven't decided on Kilian and Svitek. Svitek's obviously a project a la Brian Waters. He's intriguing, just don't know if he'll develop.

Long's the only one I really scratched my head at.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
04-24-2005, 05:03 PM
I think we did well, but I'm sure the Chiefs will be graded poorly by most of the analysts in the field.
...as they usually are.

wasi
04-24-2005, 05:14 PM
Picks I liked:
Derrick Johnson - self explanatory I'd say, fills a major need. will be a starter.

Dustin Colquitt - punting was a weakness and I trust Vermeil knowing this area of the game. will win the starting spot.

Craphonso Thorpe - seems like the injury was a deterent to most teams. I think he's going to be on the practise squad and get limited reps as he learns the offense, might go to europe for a year. two year project with great potential.

Boomer Grigsby - will make the team as a ST'er. Needs a lot of work to round out into a complete player. 3 year project.

Alphonso Hodge - will compete in training camp for practice squad spot. there are corners that come out of no where like ricky manning jr. I don't have much to say about this guy, he could have been in the undecides if he played any other position than CB. Byebye bartee.

Haven't decided yet
Jeremy Parquett
Khari Long - might be a linebacker down the road 4-5 year project
Will Svitek - will never make the conversion to OL - 4-5 year project
James Kilian - I like the fact he's mobile. Will run the practice squad and NFL europe. can't envision him ever starting unless he's a complete surprise, but for a 7th big deal. he MIGHT make a McNabb-Vick type play that generates some excitement.

DTLB58
04-24-2005, 05:16 PM
Picks I liked:
Derrick Johnson
Patrick Surtain
Dustin Colquitt
Jeremy Parquett
Craphonso Thorpe

Haven't decided yet
Alphonso Hodge
Khari Long
Boomer

Not too crazy about
James Kilian
Will Svitek

any thoughts?

I am hoping that Hodge really pans out and we show Bartee the door :)

I think we went into the draft with a plan and stuck to it, certain positions were mentioned before the draft of areas where we wanted to upgrade and they made those picks to hopefully do that. Also sounds like we really added lots of speed to the defense with Surtain,Johnson and Hodge if we can get him on the field.

Deberg_1990
04-24-2005, 05:18 PM
I think we did well, but I'm sure the Chiefs will be graded poorly by most of the analysts in the field.
...as they usually are.

True, i like how they always give they highest grades to the teams that had the #1-5 picks. Uhhhhh...DUH!! They had "Pick of the litter" in every round dumbass! Of course they had the best picks!

eazyb81
04-24-2005, 05:20 PM
Picks I liked:
Derrick Johnson
Patrick Surtain
Dustin Colquitt
Jeremy Parquett
Craphonso Thorpe
Alphonso Hodge
Boomer Grigsby

Haven't decided yet
Will Svitek (would have preferred CJ Mosley instead)


Not too crazy about
James Kilian (I think Gino Giudugli would have been a better choice)
Khari Long (this pick is a head scratcher, he better be good on special teams)

Overall: A-, this is the best draft in recent memory.

TRR
04-24-2005, 05:23 PM
I sit back and laugh when posters get ticked about draft choices taken in the 6th and 7th round. The draft is a crapshoot all together, and your complaining about a 6th and 7th draft choice? Most will be placed on the PS anyway.

I loved the DJ, Colquitt, Thorpe and especially the Alphonso Hodge pick. Hodge was rated as a top 10 CB in numerous mock drafts. We got him in the 5th round. A shutdown CB.

All the others, I'll take a wait and see approach.

Tuckdaddy
04-24-2005, 05:23 PM
I really have no problem with any of our picks. I obviously love getting DJ and I think the punter was a smart move but the the QB and the DE are kind of WTF picks IMHO but all around I think we did real well.

Tuckdaddy with no real complaints. Crapman can fly down the the field.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
04-24-2005, 05:28 PM
True, i like how they always give they highest grades to the teams that had the #1-5 picks. Uhhhhh...DUH!! They had "Pick of the litter" in every round dumbass! Of course they had the best picks!
Ditto.

CosmicPal
04-24-2005, 05:29 PM
Not a good second day IMO.

We drafted two players projected to be undrafted free agents and passed on quite a few players that had better potential to compete for special teams spots, if not spot roles.

I'm happy with the Johnson, Surtain, Colquitt, and Thorpe for the first four picks. All will make the team.

After that, I like Alphonso Hodge- I thought he would be a mid-late round steal, and we did pick him up. "Boomer" Grigsby- I'm just totally sold on this guy, and hope this kid will make the team because he just knows what to say and has that reckless, yet intelligent attitude you just love in a player. Most likely, he'll be a special teams player- but a guy like that ought to improve your special teams.

After that- A resounding F! They not only got reaches in the later rounds, but they picked guys who they could have picked up as undrafted free agents. I felt as though a handful of guys were sitting out there in limbo just ripe for picking, but we passed on these tremendous projects that will not make the team. They might as well call them tomorrow and say, "We're sorry if we got you excited, but there's really no reason to show up to training camp. Here's fifty bucks for your troubles."

KCChiefsFan88
04-24-2005, 05:33 PM
I give the Chiefs draft an A-

With the first 3 picks they get instant impact players (I'm counting Patrick Surtain as the 2nd round pick).

Today in the 4th and 5th rounds they were able to address depth at WR, LB and CB and I liked all 3 players they selected with those picks, especially Crap Thorpe.

The only reason my grade is an A- and not an A is because of the draft picks in the 6th and 7th rounds. All those players look like major projects and other than maybe one of the offensive linemen I don't see any of the players making the roster.

Overall one of the best drafts in the Peterson era

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 05:47 PM
Picks I liked:
Derrick Johnson
Alphonso Hodge-Appears to be good measurables at need position
Jeremy Parquett- Big SOB at soon to be need position
Craphonso Thorpe-Big upside and talent at a need position
Will Svitek-Not sure what they will do with him but very good athlete for such a huge kid and has to be smart being from Stanford
Boomer Grigsby-Looks like a real sleeper and a mean football player.


Neutral
Dustin Colquitt-Goog college kickers often don't translate to the NFL. Odds are high he ends up a middle of the road punter and you can get those as FA's every year...Hope he turns into a great long term answer but would have never spent that high a pick on a punter.



Didn't Like:
James Kilian-Low completion % and more INT's than TD's...not a good combination for success at the NFL level.
Khari Long-Looks like a very good athlete on paper but his production didn't match his size, speed and strength numbers which typically means the player is mentally soft or a bit lazy...Not a horrible pick as he has physical skills that could make him a player but would have been a great spot to get a QB like Derrick Anderson.

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 05:53 PM
Killian is the only bad pick IMO...I disliked the Long pick only because Derrick Anderson was available and clearly by taking Killian they wanted to get a QB....

I grade them out with A-.....Best job drafting based on what is known at draft day...They could all turn out to be turds or all studs but based on what you know at this point and the precieved value of the players on most draft boards it was the best the Chiefs have done in a decade or more...Probably the best under Peterson by a good margin.

Brock
04-24-2005, 05:55 PM
It all depends on what DJ turns out to be, whether it's the second coming of Derrick Thomas or Aundray Bruce.

Baby Lee
04-24-2005, 06:00 PM
Dustin Colquitt-Goog college kickers often don't translate to the NFL.
What makes you say that?
The kicking game is the one place where college success should translate.
Everyone else, you wonder how the way the looked against college competition will translate into performance against NFL competition.
But last I checked, the footballs didn't change size from college to pro. Yardage doesn't become longer. Gravity doesn't increase it's force.
That's like saying a great college free throw shooter won't translate to the NBA.

Woodrow Call
04-24-2005, 06:05 PM
Picks I liked:
Derrick Johnson
Patrick Surtain
Dustin Colquitt
Jeremy Parquett
Craphonso Thorpe
Boomer Grigsby
Alphonso Hodge

Haven't decided yet
Khari Long
James Kilian
Will Svitek

This Draft is an A

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 06:07 PM
But last I checked, the footballs didn't change size from college to pro. Yardage doesn't become longer. Gravity doesn't increase it's force.
That's like saying a great college free throw shooter won't translate to the NBA.

Couple things...The balls don't change size but they do use the "K" Balls which are new and greasy which many kickers don't adjust well.....Both punters and kickers have to adjust to a faster approach from the ends and get the ball away quicker....And the pressure is enormously higher as a few shanks and you get cut...In college you could shank a bunch and often times there isn't anybody to replace you. It's like the difference of making 5 foot putts on the practice green versus making a 5 footer to win a tourney or a big wager...huge difference and some can't handle that kind of pressure.

You might remember the punter from Colorado several years ago named English....Huge leg and boomed them in college because he was able to take one extra step...Got to the NFL and had to remove the extra step and was out of the league real quick.

Baby Lee
04-24-2005, 06:09 PM
Couple things...The balls don't change size but they do use the "K" Balls which are new and greasy which many kickers don't adjust well.....Both punters and kickers have to adjust to a faster approach from the ends and get the ball away quicker....And the pressure is enormously higher as a few shanks and you get cut...In college you could shank a bunch and often times there isn't anybody to replace you.

You might remember the punter from Colorado several year ago named English....Huge leg and boomed them in college because he was able to take one extra step...Got to the NFL and had to remove the extra step and was out of the league real quick.
But Colquitt is noted for his 2 1/2 technique and concomitant quick release. So the failings of some extra-stepper isn't relevant at all.

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 06:14 PM
But Colquitt is noted for his 2 1/2 technique and concomitant quick release. So the failings of some extra-stepper isn't relevant at all.


Well you don't have to look any further than just last year when Green Bay spent their 3rd rounder on BJ Sander who was believed to be the best punter available and he was horrible...Inactive all 16 games and only reason he wasn't cut was due to the high round investment. So if it is such an easy translation he wouldn't have been hitting 25 yard shanks all preseason long.

yoswif
04-24-2005, 06:15 PM
I can find good reasons for drafting every player except the QB from Tulsa, Killian. Lacking accuracy and arm strength. Not much to like.

Svitek as a blocking TE would be interesting. Long looks like he has the frame and athletic ability to develop like Hicks did,. Johnson, Grigsby, and Hodge were around the ball a lot and made a lot of plays, a big need. Thorpe could be the WR steal of the draft if he plays like he did against Pac Man and W. Virginia, his best performance since breaking his leg a year earlier. Parquett could be a player if he gets in the weight room with some dedicated lifters like the Chiefs have. Colquit understands the game as well as any punter in football.

Overall a very solid A-. Current managements best ever, imo.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 06:21 PM
After that- A resounding F! They not only got reaches in the later rounds, but they picked guys who they could have picked up as undrafted free agents. I felt as though a handful of guys were sitting out there in limbo just ripe for picking, but we passed on these tremendous projects that will not make the team. They might as well call them tomorrow and say, "We're sorry if we got you excited, but there's really no reason to show up to training camp. Here's fifty bucks for your troubles."Parquet was a reach?

JohnnyV13
04-24-2005, 06:45 PM
Well.....a long time ago we took a very smart, christian college d lineman and converted him to guard.

The year was 1990 and his name was Dave Szott.

He turned out pretty good. He was a rookie starter to boot.

jcroft
04-24-2005, 06:48 PM
Well.....a long time ago we took a very smart, christian college d lineman and converted him to guard.

The year was 1990 and his name was Dave Szott.

He turned out pretty good. He was a rookie starter to boot.

And lets not forget about all the times we've sucessfully converted a saftey to a cornerback.

NaptownChief
04-24-2005, 06:50 PM
And lets not forget about all the times we've sucessfully converted a saftey to a cornerback.


ROFL

Chiefnj
04-24-2005, 06:52 PM
I give it an A-. I wasn't thrilled taking a punter on the first day. It's a need position, but I probably would have went elsewhere with that pick. The only second day pick I don't care for was Long. If you are going to draft a pass rusher, get someone who actually got to the QB in college. I have no problem with the Chiefs taking an unknown QB. It's about time they started taking a shot on a QB in day two of the draft. We'll see how he does in NFLE for a year or so. Everyone else I like.

milkman
04-24-2005, 07:25 PM
I give it an A-. I wasn't thrilled taking a punter on the first day. It's a need position, but I probably would have went elsewhere with that pick. The only second day pick I don't care for was Long. If you are going to draft a pass rusher, get someone who actually got to the QB in college. I have no problem with the Chiefs taking an unknown QB. It's about time they started taking a shot on a QB in day two of the draft. We'll see how he does in NFLE for a year or so. Everyone else I like.

The Chiefs like those pass rush specialists that can't get to the QB.
They have the prototype in Stills.

Oregon chief
04-24-2005, 07:30 PM
what do you guys think of this boomer kid? I just read his QandA and i like his attitude and his picture makes him look like a beast. Be nice to have another Jarred Allen type.
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/04/24/qa_lb_james_grigsby/

chiefmachine
04-24-2005, 07:43 PM
I can't believe how critical you guys are being on the 2ND day with the Chiefs! They haven't had any success on the 1st day in years, w/ 1-2 exceptions!

SCTrojan
04-24-2005, 07:52 PM
Definitely like the DJ and Surtain picks. As for the rest, don't know much about them. I'm willing to take a wait-and-see attitude on them.

Can't wait for the season to start.

whoman69
04-24-2005, 08:15 PM
I sit back and laugh when posters get ticked about draft choices taken in the 6th and 7th round. The draft is a crapshoot all together, and your complaining about a 6th and 7th draft choice? Most will be placed on the PS anyway.

I loved the DJ, Colquitt, Thorpe and especially the Alphonso Hodge pick. Hodge was rated as a top 10 CB in numerous mock drafts. We got him in the 5th round. A shutdown CB.

All the others, I'll take a wait and see approach.
There's no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore. The best a corner can help to be these days is to be there for a play. I look at a college career without an INT and have to think of Bartee Jr.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2005, 08:21 PM
There's no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore.In the NFL...

Chiefnj
04-24-2005, 08:22 PM
Day 2 was filled with projects. Nothing wrong with that, but I doubt any of them, other than Grigsby on special teams, find their way onto the 53 man roster (barring a slew of injuries).

LiL stumppy
04-24-2005, 08:26 PM
I LOVE BOOMER

hes my adopt a chief

Hog Rider
04-24-2005, 08:51 PM
what do you guys think of this boomer kid? I just read his QandA and i like his attitude and his picture makes him look like a beast. Be nice to have another Jarred Allen type.

With Beisel gone I think Boomer "Price chopper" Grigsby was a great pick. He will be an animal on special teams. He played in our high schools conference, I rarely went to games so I don't know of him. Several guys at work are from Canton, I'll ask if they remeber him when he played in high school.

Zach, I believe, posted earlier that grigsby is a weight room fanatic and a bit cocky. Perfect for special teams.

HolmeZz
04-25-2005, 12:43 AM
...I think Boomer "Price chopper" Grigsby was a great pick.

Nicknaming a guy with a nickname should be illegal.