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Rain Man
04-25-2005, 10:53 AM
This site lists current Chiefs, and excludes draft picks at the moment. Maybe someone else can fill in the blanks. It's also got a few leftover guys like Willis, so don't assault and batter me if the roster's not completely current.

http://www.couchscout.com/kc.htm

Clarett's average time was 4.77, according to this article. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2000680

That puts him behind:

82 HALL Dante 5- 7.0 191 4.31 503.70
87 KENNISON Eddie 5-11.0 195 4.35 533.76
18 PARKER Sammie 5-10.3 179 4.35 402.28
17 SMITH Richard 5-10.0 174 4.37 382.58
22 McCLEON Dexter 5-10.0 196 4.39 513.02
24 BARTEE William 6- 2.0 192 4.41 480.79
0 McINTYRE Jeris 5-11.2 203 4.41 366.65
59 BARBER Shawn 6- 1.0 225 4.43 414.26
38 CROUCH Eric 5-11.8 197 4.45 362.27
27 JOHNSON Larry. 6- 0.7 222 4.45 477.49
26 BATTLE Julian 6- 2.2 204 4.47 454.83
44 WARFIELD Eric 5-11.0 197 4.48 442.73
33 HOLMES Priest 5- 8.0 213 4.48 483.81
20 SAPP Ben 5-10.0 175 4.50 312.54
20 BOOTH Jonathan 6- 0.0 196 4.50 348.63
25 WESLEY Greg 6- 1.0 218 4.55 524.91
97 BELL Kendrell 6- 1.0 232 4.55 697.28
21 WOODS Jerome 6- 2.0 202 4.56 507.89
41 CONNOT Scott 6- 2.6 218 4.56 351.86
55 STILLS Gary 6- 1.0 237 4.56 400.33
91 SCANLON Rich 6- 1.0 228 4.58 355.41
80 MORTON Johnnie 5-11.0 190 4.59 492.99
50 MITCHELL Kawika 6- 1.0 251 4.61 408.05
19 SMITH Jon 5-10.0 194 4.61 406.61
89 DUNN Jason . 6- 4.0 278 4.62 550.32
40 WILSON Kris 6- 1.7 248 4.62 371.23
0 MOORE Chazz 6- 0.0 215 4.63 307.19
51 FUJITA Scott 6- 5.0 247 4.63 424.04
0 CRUZ Ronnie 6- 0.0 237 4.63 322.54
97 HALL Carlos 6- 3.4 248 4.64 469.02
52 CAVER Quinton 6- 3.0 232 4.65 417.90
97 FOX Keyaron 6- 2.3 227 4.67 378.11
KNIGHT Sammy 5-11.0 205 4.69 591.44
69 ALLEN Jared 6- 6.0 265 4.71 450.76
88 GONZALEZ Tony 6- 4.0 248 4.71 795.97
96 WILKERSON Jimmy 6- 2.7 271 4.73 388.09
10 GREEN Trent 6- 2.0 212 4.75 570.84
49 RICHARDSON Tony 6- 1.0 232 4.75 518.78
57 MASLOSKI Matt 6- 2.0 255 4.76 581.40

In bad news for us, he's quicker than pretty much all of our linemen.

0 WALKER Demotrius 6- 2.0 261 4.81 328.62
7 CLAUSEN Casey 6- 3.4 223 4.87 333.59
46 HALL Joe 6- 1.7 277 4.88 319.57
98 HICKS Eric 6- 4.0 287 4.89 624.03
93 ISSA Jabari 6- 4.0 295 4.93 406.29
93 BROWNING John 6- 4.0 286 4.94 518.77
11 HUARD Damon 6- 3.0 222 4.95 477.14
79 SAMPSON Kevin 6- 4.4 312 4.96 376.77
15 COLLINS Todd S. 6- 4.0 224 4.96 462.30
61 SHARPE Montigue 6- 3.0 287 5.01 373.24
90 SIMS Ryan 6- 3.6 318 5.02 601.88
54 WATERS Brian . 6- 2.0 302 5.03 660.40
62 WIEGMANN Casey 6- 2.0 293 5.04 717.85
68 SHIELDS Will 6- 1.0 308 5.04 650.22
69 MILLER Matt 6- 4.0 285 5.08 305.99
94 SIAVIL Junior 6- 4.4 344 5.11 401.29
65 BLACK Jordan 6- 6.0 327 5.16 408.04
74 WILLIAMS Brent 6- 5.5 321 5.19 390.80
83 GAMMON Kendall 6- 4.0 255 5.19 335.86
60 INGRAM Jonathan 6- 2.0 296 5.25 366.25
76 WELBOURN John 6- 4.0 317 5.26 278.63
0 JOHNSON Aaron 6- 5.0 305 5.27 332.72
67 BOBER Chris 6- 4.0 322 5.31 530.72
60 WILLIS Donald . 6- 3.0 330 5.34 467.08
73 BARNETT Tom 6- 5.0 305 5.35 367.68
77 ROAF William 6- 4.0 313 5.38 745.46

Simplex3
04-25-2005, 11:07 AM
In bad news for us, he's quicker than pretty much all of our linemen.
He's also fatter than most of our linemen. :)

jspchief
04-25-2005, 11:11 AM
Maurice Clarrett can beat Ron Dayne in a potato-sack race.

Mr. Kotter
04-25-2005, 11:13 AM
ROFL ROFL ROFL

TJ, MHM, and GB will be along shortly to disabuse us of this illusion.... ROFL

DenverChief
04-25-2005, 11:21 AM
That puts him behind:

57 MASLOWSKI Mike 6- 2.0 255 4.76 581.40



ROFL

CrazyHorse
04-25-2005, 11:25 AM
Trent Green is faster ROFL!

jcroft
04-25-2005, 11:26 AM
Trent Green, mister "non-mobile quarterback?"

Hah. :D

big nasty kcnut
04-25-2005, 11:33 AM
What about a list of chiefs planet posters who faster then Maurice Clarett.

Lzen
04-25-2005, 12:22 PM
Trent Green is faster ROFL!

That and even a couple of our defensive linemen. ROFL

Cochise
04-25-2005, 12:26 PM
Trent Green had a better 40 time that Clarette ROFL ROFL

I think we found our new weak side linebacker! :p :LOL:

Skip Towne
04-25-2005, 12:27 PM
I love it that we have D linemen that are faster than the Donks new RB.

CoMoChief
04-25-2005, 01:08 PM
No ****in way McCleon has 4.39 speed

CoMoChief
04-25-2005, 01:10 PM
You mean to tell me that McCleon is only .08 seconds slower than Dante Hall?!?!

Chan93lx50
04-25-2005, 01:28 PM
This is some good shit!

JimNasium
04-25-2005, 01:32 PM
Someone needs to post this on the Mange.

Calcountry
04-25-2005, 01:43 PM
You mean to tell me that McCleon is only .08 seconds slower than Dante Hall?!?!Nobody has faster acceleration than Hall.

Scaga
04-25-2005, 01:45 PM
You left off the following people:

Dick Vermeil
Carl Peterson
and KC Wolf (without the 4-wheeler)

KCJake
04-25-2005, 01:47 PM
I know how much fun you guys are having, but this list isn't even close. First of all, Clarett ran two 4.60 forty's at his private workout. Second of all, this list is very inaccurate. These 40 times were all done when these players first entered to NFL. Even then, they aren't very accurate.

McCLEON Dexter 5-10.0 196 4.39
BARBER Shawn 6- 1.0 225 4.43
HOLMES Priest 5- 8.0 213 4.48
GREEN Trent 6- 2.0 212 4.75

Not a chance :shake:

Edubs
04-25-2005, 01:47 PM
What about a list of chiefs planet posters who faster then Maurice Clarett.



Edubs - 4.42 And this is with my winter weight.

Scaga
04-25-2005, 01:53 PM
I know how much fun you guys are having, but this list isn't even close. First of all, Clarett ran two 4.60 forty's at his private workout. Second of all, this list is very inaccurate. These 40 times were all done when these players first entered to NFL. Even then, they aren't very accurate.

McCLEON Dexter 5-10.0 196 4.39
BARBER Shawn 6- 1.0 225 4.43
HOLMES Priest 5- 8.0 213 4.48
GREEN Trent 6- 2.0 212 4.75

Not a chance :shake:

nlm
Don't rain on the parade dude.

:)

beer bacon
04-25-2005, 01:56 PM
Sammy Knight, the "slowest safety in the NFL", would burn Clarett in a foot race.

KCJake
04-25-2005, 01:57 PM
Nobody has faster acceleration than Hall.
You are correct. I forget the site, but it had all the numbers from the combine for like the last 10 years. You had to pay $5.99 to be a member. I remember when KC drafted Dante Hall. Chiefs fans were like, "who the hell is this guy?" I paid the $5.99 and checked out Dante's numbers. Dante ran a high 4.4 forty. Fast, but not BLAZING fast. It was Dante's shuttle time and cone drill that was second to no one. Outstanding quickness, not blazing straight-line speed is what makes Dante so special.

Thig Lyfe
04-25-2005, 04:23 PM
91 SCANLON Rich 6- 1.0 228 4.58 355.41



Guess who just earned a roster spot.

Cochise
04-25-2005, 04:28 PM
Clarette's improved 40 time was also done on a friendly surface, and not on the 'slow track' they use at the combine, according to something I read. Don't have a source, but FWIW.

As Rome said today.. with a glacier-like 40 time, the broncos might have been better off selecting their 4th corner of the day.

Saggysack
04-25-2005, 04:35 PM
Clarette's improved 40 time was also done on a friendly surface, and not on the 'slow track' they use at the combine, according to something I read. Don't have a source, but FWIW.

As Rome said today.. with a glacier-like 40 time, the broncos might have been better off selecting their 4th corner of the day.

A slow surface in Indy? No fuggin way. I don't believe it.

I just wanna know which 40 times were hand timed and which were electronically timed. Quite a difference in both.

Count Zarth
04-25-2005, 04:39 PM
I'm actually a little concerned about Sammy Knight now after seeing he runs a 4.69.

cdcox
04-25-2005, 04:45 PM
How about a list of Chiefs shorter than Darrent Williams?

Dante Hall



Did Darrent get any taller after the Broncos measured him?

Bob Dole
04-25-2005, 04:51 PM
Bob Dole ran a 4.72 and didn't spill a drop of the beer he was carrying.

SCTrojan
04-25-2005, 04:51 PM
This pic was posted on the soonerfan.com site. It was hilarious at the time. It appears to be timeless, though.

If the pic doesn't work, here's the link. It's pretty funny as well.

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34064

Skip Towne
04-25-2005, 04:57 PM
Has anyone been to the Mange? How are they spinning it?

FringeNC
04-25-2005, 05:03 PM
He actually ran a 4.82 at the combine, along with the 4.72.

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 05:17 PM
Who knows how this will turn out... this draft was apparently about filling the depth at CB and other areas. Everyone knew they'd take a flier on a RB somewhere after R3, I just never thought it would be Maurice.

I think I recall Terrell Davis saying he ran near a 4.6 40 in the combines... he did all right.

That being said - Clarrett has a great opportunity in that system, there's just a number of guys in his way right now. The upside... he finds his role in life and starts focusing on football, resulting in becoming an impact player.

Worst case ... Denver loses what amounts to 4th round money on the guy.

Ok - that's my spin.

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 05:20 PM
How about a list of Chiefs shorter than Darrent Williams?

Dante Hall



Did Darrent get any taller after the Broncos measured him?

Well, he's realistically there to be the "return guy" and based on most things I've read, he's not slotted to be a corner. Back to the size for a moment... PacMan Jones is just a touch over 5'9 and he's a top 10 selection.

I was hoping for more from the draft, but it is what it is... if Darrent can become that blazer return guy they've lacked, then greatness.

Taco John
04-25-2005, 05:20 PM
I had an inclination that Denver would take Maurice. I'm happy they did it. I think we got the steal of the draft if he plays to his potential. If he doesn't, then we sacrificed a compensatory third round draft pick. Woe is us.

Count Zarth
04-25-2005, 05:22 PM
I had an inclination that Denver would take Maurice. I'm happy they did it. I think we got the steal of the draft if he plays to his potential. If he doesn't, then we sacrificed a compensatory third round draft pick. Woe is us.

You think he's going to replace Bell?

FringeNC
04-25-2005, 05:24 PM
I had an inclination that Denver would take Maurice. I'm happy they did it. I think we got the steal of the draft if he plays to his potential. If he doesn't, then we sacrificed a compensatory third round draft pick. Woe is us.

You're not in the least worried that he could become a cancer?

When things didn't go his way, he tried to bring the entire Ohio State program down, a place that had given him a full ride. That doesn't bother you?

Tuckdaddy
04-25-2005, 05:25 PM
You left off the following people:

Dick Vermeil
Carl Peterson
and KC Wolf (without the 4-wheeler)

KC Wolf! That's some sweet action.

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 05:25 PM
The main thing with Clarett is this... prior to his "issues" at THE Ohio State University, the kid was a unanimous top pick in the next draft. Then his character took a hit and he got a bit fat and lazy during his 2-years away from football.

There's no doubt he's far from being in football shape, but at this time the Broncos have the luxury of time. Bell is the starter and the depth is very nice, so the Broncos' staff has time to whip his ass into shape and he has time to get his head back in the game.

Nobody will be more scrutinized from this draft, aside from maybe Matt Jones, but... Maurice is in a friendly RB system, so he has that and time on his side.

So, as TJ said... if he shapes up and focuses on football, he could turn out to be a nice selection for a late 3rd rounder. I've learned to not second guess the Broncos when it comes to RBs.

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 05:27 PM
You're not in the least worried that he could become a cancer?

When things didn't go his way, he tried to bring the entire Ohio State program down, a place that had given him a full ride. That doesn't bother you?

I always fear the "team cancer", but let's not let the Ohio State Athletic Department skate free of blame in what went down. Sure, Clarett has been an idiot and done some dumb things, but I don't think the Ohio State program was innocent either.

Skip Towne
04-25-2005, 05:27 PM
Spin, Taco spin.

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 05:28 PM
Spin, Taco spin.

As soon as I heard the selection I thought "Holy hell... ChiefsPlanet is going to meltdown with enthusiasm on this one..."

Taco John
04-25-2005, 05:42 PM
You're not in the least worried that he could become a cancer?


ROFL You could fill this period with all the concern about him being a cancer: .


When things didn't go his way, he tried to bring the entire Ohio State program down, a place that had given him a full ride. That doesn't bother you?


He did? There is so much whacky stuff out there about this kid that it's scary. First, the guy has never been a locker room problem. Second, he didn't try to bring down the entire Ohio State program. Where in the world did you get that idea. If ANYTHING the kid tried to cover-up for the program. You think he was the only star getting extra things on the side? You've got to be kidding me. He challenged the system, and the system bit him back.

The only thing the kid wanted was to play NFL ball. He was good enough to do it to. He'd have been drafted in the first round without a doubt. The media creation isn't the real Maurice Clarett. I'm not even the littlest bit worried. This kid was born to play football. He's got a runningback instinct that you can't coach. I can't believe that he fell in our laps. We'd have never gotten a shot at him if it weren't for the rocky road he travelled.

FRCDFED
04-25-2005, 05:43 PM
Well, he's realistically there to be the "return guy" and based on most things I've read, he's not slotted to be a corner. Back to the size for a moment... PacMan Jones is just a touch over 5'9 and he's a top 10 selection.

I was hoping for more from the draft, but it is what it is... if Darrent can become that blazer return guy they've lacked, then greatness.
When they interviewed Pac-Man on ESPN they asked him about his size. His reply was........

"I'm 5'-10 1/2"

Everyone started laughing!!!

Count Zarth
04-25-2005, 05:44 PM
ROFL You could fill this period with all the concern about him being a cancer: .





He did? There is so much whacky stuff out there about this kid that it's scary. First, the guy has never been a locker room problem. Second, he didn't try to bring down the entire Ohio State program. Where in the world did you get that idea. If ANYTHING the kid tried to cover-up for the program. You think he was the only star getting extra things on the side? You've got to be kidding me. He challenged the system, and the system bit him back.

The only thing the kid wanted was to play NFL ball. He was good enough to do it to. He'd have been drafted in the first round without a doubt. The media creation isn't the real Maurice Clarett. I'm not even the littlest bit worried. This kid was born to play football. He's got a runningback instinct that you can't coach. I can't believe that he fell in our laps. We'd have never gotten a shot at him if it weren't for the rocky road he travelled.


So why are you so excited? You already have your RB.

FringeNC
04-25-2005, 05:53 PM
If ANYTHING the kid tried to cover-up for the program.

Huh?

COLUMBUS, Ohio Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel and the school's athletics director, Andy Geiger, defended the besieged program Tuesday Geiger delivering a vigorous, point-by-point rebuttal of ex-player Maurice Clarett's allegations of rules violations...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/2004-11-16-clarett-osu-rebuttal_x.htm

Logical
04-25-2005, 05:57 PM
...
77 ROAF William 6- 4.0 313 5.38 745.46

We should probably cut that Roaf guy, he is not very fast.:p

Skip Towne
04-25-2005, 06:00 PM
We should probably cut that Roaf guy, he is not very fast.:p
Yeah, what a fatass!

the Talking Can
04-25-2005, 06:07 PM
The idea that Clarett wants to play football is hilarious.

The dude is fat, slow, and out of shape...as even Shanarimjob has admitted. Dude just wants a paycheck that doesn't say McDonalds on it.

Mike Williams, in comparison, has been training for the NFL every freakin day and is in the best shape of his life. That's a guy who "just wants a chance to play."

Fat, slow, stupid, lazy RBs don't have futures in the league. And you don't spend 1st day draft picks on them.

You pick them up at unemployment offices and offer them ham sandwiches.


in case I wasn't clear: This may be the funniest draft pick EVER.

WilliamTheIrish
04-25-2005, 06:08 PM
Exclusive pic of Mo's first attempt at the 40:

WilliamTheIrish
04-25-2005, 06:08 PM
I may have to put this in my sig.

the Talking Can
04-25-2005, 06:09 PM
Exclusive pic of Mo's first attempt at the 40:

that's great ROFL

though maybe he should be holding a foot long subway...

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 06:11 PM
Huh?

COLUMBUS, Ohio Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel and the school's athletics director, Andy Geiger, defended the besieged program Tuesday Geiger delivering a vigorous, point-by-point rebuttal of ex-player Maurice Clarett's allegations of rules violations...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/2004-11-16-clarett-osu-rebuttal_x.htm

I forget the details b/c I tuned out of all that mess ... but, was it not proven that a backup QB was getting paid by a booster with ties to Tressel and that booster is no longer officially affiliated with the school. Didn't Geiger or another higher official also step down "conveniently" during the end of this saga?

Again - Clarrett is not clear of wrong doing, the kid screwed up. I believe, based on what I recall, that he was sticking to "the story" and the school left him as the disgruntled scapegoat.

He has a lot to prove and won't be given anything, Denver has their starter and the qualified backups without him... if he gets his head screwed back on right, then he could prove to be a hell of a pick.

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 06:14 PM
The idea that Clarett wants to play football is hilarious.

The dude is fat, slow, and out of shape...as even Shanarimjob has admitted. Dude just wants a paycheck that doesn't say McDonalds on it.

Mike Williams, in comparison, has been training for the NFL every freakin day and is in the best shape of his life. That's a guy who "just wants a chance to play."

Fat, slow, stupid, lazy RBs don't have futures in the league. And you don't spend 1st day draft picks on them.

I have no issues with this statement... I'm not going to paint this picture that he's a victim just looking for a chance. He had the world in his hands at one moment and blew it away with bad decisions. He now has a chance that nobody thought he'd get... he has talent, but he is far from physically being near ready to play.

I would have liked to have seen them take a chance in R6... but, what can you do? They really know how to plug in the right RB into their system, so I give them a bit of lattitude with this pick.

Taco John
04-25-2005, 06:17 PM
So why are you so excited? You already have your RB.



Hell yeah I am. Runningbacks are excellent capital in this league... Plus, I'm not of the opinion that Bell is a sure thing. He looks damned promising, but he'll need to get through a season before I'm convinced that he's everything he's cracked up to be...

Taco John
04-25-2005, 06:34 PM
Terrell Davis ran a 4.6 time. He was the most dominating runningback in the game at the time he was playing. I'm not even the littlest bit concerned about his forty times. I'm just pumped because his style is a perfect fit for our offense, and our runningbacks coach was his biggest advocate on our team.

Rain Man
04-25-2005, 07:20 PM
Terrell Davis ran a 4.6 time. He was the most dominating runningback in the game at the time he was playing. I'm not even the littlest bit concerned about his forty times. I'm just pumped because his style is a perfect fit for our offense, and our runningbacks coach was his biggest advocate on our team.


With that last sentence, I think you just insulted his entire legal team.

Skip Towne
04-25-2005, 07:37 PM
With that last sentence, I think you just insulted his entire legal team.
Not to mention that Taco has outdone himself this time. Trying to polish that turd into a diamond.

Bob Dole
04-25-2005, 07:42 PM
What's Lawrence Philips up to these days? Maybe Shanahan can add him to the roster, too.

Rain Man
04-25-2005, 07:57 PM
I dunno. At least Lawrence is able to run from the law.

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 08:14 PM
What's Lawrence Philips up to these days? Maybe Shanahan can add him to the roster, too.

Eh, he's a former Vermeil guy, right? Surprised he's not in red and gold.

Wile_E_Coyote
04-25-2005, 08:30 PM
some Ganggreen pics http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=13368&page=2&pp=20

Mile High Mania
04-26-2005, 06:17 AM
Here's some info from Jim Armstrong out of today's Post:

"Baggage or no baggage, if Maurice Clarett had run a 4.5 40-yard dash at the NFL scouting combine, nobody would be questioning the Broncos for using a third-rounder on him.

Instead, Clarett ran a 4.82, so the Mel Kiper Jrs. of the world are down on him.

This just in: That 4.82 clocking was the worst time Clarett ran in the weeks preceding the draft. During his personal workout a month ago, he was timed at 4.60 and 4.61.

OK, so that's still below average for an NFL tailback. But let the record show it was considerably faster than some of Clarett's predecessors in the Broncos' backfield, including one Terrell Davis.

Davis ran a 4.69 40 at the 1995 combine. Mike Anderson posted times of 4.67 and 4.68 during a personal workout before the 2000 draft. Olandis Gary, like Davis and Anderson a 1,000-yard runner in his rookie season, was timed at 4.59 and 4.63 in 1999.

Moral to the story: It isn't about sheer speed. Not in the Broncos' system. It's about vision, foot quickness and cutback ability. It remains to be seen whether Clarett has enough of those traits to make it, but speed won't be an issue. ...

It's not like the Broncos are taking a big financial risk on Clarett. He'll receive a signing bonus of about $400,000."

the Talking Can
04-26-2005, 06:39 AM
Eh, he's a former Vermeil guy, right? Surprised he's not in red and gold.

DV didn't draft him.

Mile High Mania
04-26-2005, 06:58 AM
DV didn't draft him.

Ah... my bad, I couldn't recall.

chiefmachine
04-26-2005, 07:07 AM
NO COMMENT ON MAURICE CLARETT!! HE HASN'T PLAYED FOOTBALL IN YEARS! THE ONLY THING THAT GOT HIM HERE WAS JIM BROWN AND HIS LAWYERS!!!

the Talking Can
04-26-2005, 07:08 AM
NO COMMENT ON MAURICE CLARETT!! HE HASN'T PLAYED FOOTBALL IN YEARS! THE ONLY THING THAT GOT HIM HERE WAS JIM BROWN AND HIS LAWYERS!!!

TURN YOUR RADIO DOWN

stevieray
04-26-2005, 07:14 AM
[QUOTE=Mile High Mania]

Moral to the story: It isn't about sheer speed. Not in the Broncos' system. QUOTE]

there's that system phrase again. ROFL it must be subconscience guilt.

Systematically HOLDING long enough for a cut back lane to open up.

KCJake
04-26-2005, 07:34 AM
Here's some info from Jim Armstrong out of today's Post:

"Baggage or no baggage, if Maurice Clarett had run a 4.5 40-yard dash at the NFL scouting combine, nobody would be questioning the Broncos for using a third-rounder on him.

Instead, Clarett ran a 4.82, so the Mel Kiper Jrs. of the world are down on him.

This just in: That 4.82 clocking was the worst time Clarett ran in the weeks preceding the draft. During his personal workout a month ago, he was timed at 4.60 and 4.61.

OK, so that's still below average for an NFL tailback. But let the record show it was considerably faster than some of Clarett's predecessors in the Broncos' backfield, including one Terrell Davis.

Davis ran a 4.69 40 at the 1995 combine. Mike Anderson posted times of 4.67 and 4.68 during a personal workout before the 2000 draft. Olandis Gary, like Davis and Anderson a 1,000-yard runner in his rookie season, was timed at 4.59 and 4.63 in 1999.

Moral to the story: It isn't about sheer speed. Not in the Broncos' system. It's about vision, foot quickness and cutback ability. It remains to be seen whether Clarett has enough of those traits to make it, but speed won't be an issue. ...

It's not like the Broncos are taking a big financial risk on Clarett. He'll receive a signing bonus of about $400,000."

Great post. Pretty much sums up what i've been trying to say. Take Clarett's 4.60 that he ran at his personal workout, I bet about 30-40% of the NFL's starting RB's run right in that area.

Saggysack
04-26-2005, 07:43 AM
Here's some info from Jim Armstrong out of today's Post:

"Baggage or no baggage, if Maurice Clarett had run a 4.5 40-yard dash at the NFL scouting combine, nobody would be questioning the Broncos for using a third-rounder on him.

Instead, Clarett ran a 4.82, so the Mel Kiper Jrs. of the world are down on him.

This just in: That 4.82 clocking was the worst time Clarett ran in the weeks preceding the draft. During his personal workout a month ago, he was timed at 4.60 and 4.61.

OK, so that's still below average for an NFL tailback. But let the record show it was considerably faster than some of Clarett's predecessors in the Broncos' backfield, including one Terrell Davis.

Davis ran a 4.69 40 at the 1995 combine. Mike Anderson posted times of 4.67 and 4.68 during a personal workout before the 2000 draft. Olandis Gary, like Davis and Anderson a 1,000-yard runner in his rookie season, was timed at 4.59 and 4.63 in 1999.

Moral to the story: It isn't about sheer speed. Not in the Broncos' system. It's about vision, foot quickness and cutback ability. It remains to be seen whether Clarett has enough of those traits to make it, but speed won't be an issue. ...

It's not like the Broncos are taking a big financial risk on Clarett. He'll receive a signing bonus of about $400,000."

Ah, another victim of hand timing. As I'm sure you know that at the combine players are timed electronically. And at their respective pro-days are hand timed. Do you know that hand timing a player is vastly inferior to the accuracy of hand timing? Even so much that alot of player personnel depts. add .3 to .4 of a second onto the hand timed results.

Moral to the story: You better damn well hope Maurice improves his speed or else the rest of the league will be tackling a RB that has the speed of a 35yr old TE.

Mr. Kotter
04-26-2005, 07:44 AM
I know this pic has already been posted, but it's my fav... ROFL

Skip Towne
04-26-2005, 08:02 AM
This whole thing is funneee.

Ron Jaworski
04-26-2005, 08:19 AM
How can I start commenting on the Maurice Clarett situation? Right here: I'm disappointed that he went in the third round to the Denver Broncos. Here is a guy who has continually bucked the system, dragged a lot of people down with him at Ohio State, tried to drag the National Football League down with him and I almost think it's an insult to take him in the third round.

It almost says that what he did was OK. He went to the Scouting Combine and ran bad 40 times. He quit, didn't do the rest of the work at the Combine and then, here he is.

If a guy ran a 4.86 in the 40, he wouldn't be on my draft board. I'm surprised Mike Shanahan went in that direction.

When I talk to coaches around the league, one thing they insist upon is character, and Maurice Clarett lacks character.

It just doesn't sit right with me. What did Clarett do to deserve being drafted in the third round? Now he's going to be a big story in Denver and who knows how that will sit with his teammates?

Sorry, it doesn't work with me. Football is the ultimate team game. I'm not convinced Clarett is a team guy. He's shown so far in his young football career that he's more interested in himself than the team.

Count Zarth
04-26-2005, 08:22 AM
How can I start commenting on the Maurice Clarett situation? Right here: I'm disappointed that he went in the third round to the Denver Broncos. Here is a guy who has continually bucked the system, dragged a lot of people down with him at Ohio State, tried to drag the National Football League down with him and I almost think it's an insult to take him in the third round.

It almost says that what he did was OK. He went to the Scouting Combine and ran bad 40 times. He quit, didn't do the rest of the work at the Combine and then, here he is.

If a guy ran a 4.86 in the 40, he wouldn't be on my draft board. I'm surprised Mike Shanahan went in that direction.

When I talk to coaches around the league, one thing they insist upon is character, and Maurice Clarett lacks character.

It just doesn't sit right with me. What did Clarett do to deserve being drafted in the third round? Now he's going to be a big story in Denver and who knows how that will sit with his teammates?

Sorry, it doesn't work with me. Football is the ultimate team game. I'm not convinced Clarett is a team guy. He's shown so far in his young football career that he's more interested in himself than the team.

I can't wait to see you break down film on the Broncos illegal blocking techniques.

Ron Jaworski
04-26-2005, 08:32 AM
I can't wait to see you break down film on the Broncos illegal blocking techniques.

No need to break down film. You can see it on pretty much every play. Just watch one of their games.

Mr. Kotter
04-26-2005, 08:34 AM
No need to break down film. You can see it on pretty much every play. Just watch one of their games.

Say, Ron...you think the rule changes might make a difference in their "success" this year? :hmmm:

Mile High Mania
04-26-2005, 09:13 AM
Ah, another victim of hand timing. As I'm sure you know that at the combine players are timed electronically. And at their respective pro-days are hand timed. Do you know that hand timing a player is vastly inferior to the accuracy of hand timing? Even so much that alot of player personnel depts. add .3 to .4 of a second onto the hand timed results.

Moral to the story: You better damn well hope Maurice improves his speed or else the rest of the league will be tackling a RB that has the speed of a 35yr old TE.

In reality, Bell is the starter... Clarett is depth fodder at this point.

Andoverer
04-26-2005, 09:33 AM
How can I start commenting on the Maurice Clarett situation? Right here: I'm disappointed that he went in the third round to the Denver Broncos. Here is a guy who has continually bucked the system, dragged a lot of people down with him at Ohio State, tried to drag the National Football League down with him and I almost think it's an insult to take him in the third round.

It almost says that what he did was OK. He went to the Scouting Combine and ran bad 40 times. He quit, didn't do the rest of the work at the Combine and then, here he is.

If a guy ran a 4.86 in the 40, he wouldn't be on my draft board. I'm surprised Mike Shanahan went in that direction.

When I talk to coaches around the league, one thing they insist upon is character, and Maurice Clarett lacks character.

It just doesn't sit right with me. What did Clarett do to deserve being drafted in the third round? Now he's going to be a big story in Denver and who knows how that will sit with his teammates?

Sorry, it doesn't work with me. Football is the ultimate team game. I'm not convinced Clarett is a team guy. He's shown so far in his young football career that he's more interested in himself than the team.

What you're saying is true. We as Chiefs fans, however, can't help but point and laugh at the draft choices of Denver this year. And this pick was the crown jewel

Ron Jaworski
04-26-2005, 10:17 AM
Say, Ron...you think the rule changes might make a difference in their "success" this year? :hmmm:

I would say it most definitely will have an effect. But that depends on how much the NFL decides to actually call it. Frankly, I think they should've done more. The small change won't make a huge difference. The Broncos will still have a decent run blocking scheme. It's just that defensive linemen won't have that in the back of their minds as much and that should make them more effective at penetration.

Mile High Mania
04-26-2005, 10:23 AM
The rushing attack will be fine... Bell (barring injury) will start each game and rush for 1,324 yards and 14 TDs, catching 27 passes for 337 yards and 3 more TDs. The collection of runners behind him will combine for another 729 yards and 4 TDs.

Save this one, Titus.

BN 2/9
04-26-2005, 10:25 AM
Weird how much Maurice looks like Gary Coleman...

Kinda like Gary on roids...

WilliamTheIrish
04-26-2005, 10:47 AM
Weird how much Maurice looks like Gary Coleman...

Kinda like Gary on roids...


Whatchyou talkin' bout, B/N?

Cochise
04-26-2005, 11:00 AM
No mention here I see of the much friendlier conditions under which the improved 40 time was run. Can't compare his agent's 40 time to the numbers from the combine.

Iowanian
04-26-2005, 11:03 AM
Griffin looked like Webster..........Clarett looks like Arnold...........I wonder if tatum looks like Willis or Kimberly?

Cochise
04-26-2005, 11:06 AM
Clarett looks like Arnold...........

Arnold from Green Acres?

Mile High Mania
08-29-2005, 02:15 PM
Seems appropriate to bring this up to the top... there are some gems in here.