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Saulbadguy
04-25-2005, 06:28 PM
Curious as someone mentioned something like that was deleted earlier. I've posted the stuff before and never had anyone say anything to me..new policy?

Fairplay
04-25-2005, 06:33 PM
What about posting it, not verbadum as well as where the article came from, that should knock out the legality issue for the mods.

jcroft
04-25-2005, 06:34 PM
What about posting it, not verbadum as well as where the article came from, that should knock out the legality issue for the mods.

You are suggesting they delete bits and pieces? Sorry, but that wouldn't make it any more legal.

Brock
04-25-2005, 06:48 PM
WTF? Bullshit.

jAZ
04-25-2005, 06:52 PM
My guess is that with Phob taking over partly, he has enough grand plans for the board that he wants to ensure that if we get higher profile, we aren't shut down by ESPN or something.

Brock
04-25-2005, 06:55 PM
If censoring is part of the new policy, I doubt it's going to work.

Phobia
04-25-2005, 07:02 PM
We've been asked by ESPN not to allow Insider threads.

It's been a policy all along, but we didn't feel too strongly about it.

You are more than welcome to share the context of Insider articles, but a cut and paste isn't legal.

I'd love to allow Insider stuff because I'm interested in that stuff, too. It increases the value of this board to our members. But, I don't want to have to pay a lawyer either.

Sorry.

|Zach|
04-25-2005, 07:04 PM
We've been asked by ESPN not to allow Insider threads.

It's been a policy all along, but we didn't feel too strongly about it.

You are more than welcome to share the context of Insider articles, but a cut and paste isn't legal.

Sorry.
Can we still post all of the erotic stories straight from porn pay sites?

Yes? No? Maybe?

:p

tk13
04-25-2005, 07:05 PM
We've been asked by ESPN not to allow Insider threads.

It's been a policy all along, but we didn't feel too strongly about it.

You are more than welcome to share the context of Insider articles, but a cut and paste isn't legal.

I'd love to allow Insider stuff because I'm interested in that stuff, too. It increases the value of this board to our members. But, I don't want to have to pay a lawyer either.

Sorry.
Merrill Hoge strikes again.

go bowe
04-25-2005, 07:08 PM
We've been asked by ESPN not to allow Insider threads.

It's been a policy all along, but we didn't feel too strongly about it.

You are more than welcome to share the context of Insider articles, but a cut and paste isn't legal.

I'd love to allow Insider stuff because I'm interested in that stuff, too. It increases the value of this board to our members. But, I don't want to have to pay a lawyer either.

Sorry.wow...

chiefs planet has really gotten to the big time...

espn, a national sports network, cares what we do and say?

outstanding...




now, if they'd just check in with our resident football experts, they could get their draft stories right...

are you listening, merril h0ge?

Phobia
04-25-2005, 07:08 PM
FWIW, I'm not an ESPN subscriber. I don't know of too many mods who are.... It's gonna be really difficult to enforce this policy when some of our users get creative.

DenverChief
04-25-2005, 07:09 PM
We've been asked by ESPN not to allow Insider threads.

It's been a policy all along, but we didn't feel too strongly about it.

You are more than welcome to share the context of Insider articles, but a cut and paste isn't legal.

I'd love to allow Insider stuff because I'm interested in that stuff, too. It increases the value of this board to our members. But, I don't want to have to pay a lawyer either.

Sorry.

so as long as the article isn't cut and pasted in whole its ok?

unlurking
04-25-2005, 07:15 PM
How about as part of the future "subscription" plans, you work a deal with ESPN to get planet subscribers free memberships or mirror there content here in discussion format? Obviously would have to pay a percentage of each subscriber fee, but would be cool to only pay one subscriber fee at one location rather than paying multiple ones. Maybe a deal with KFFL could be worked out too? Kind of a tiered subscribership? Premium package gets access to mirrored ESPN Insider and KFFL stuff, Fantasy package gets KFFL, Insider package gets ESPN, Planet package gets whatever you were already planning?

I know a lot of tech sites are starting to do this kind of thing, although not on a subscription base (i.e. theregister.com and securityfocus.com).

It would be cool to get all the content from one site (AKA The Planet), and I'd bet KFFL and ESPN probably wouldn't mind partner links and adds, etc.

Anyways, just a thought.

Oh yeah, how about hosting football pools and fantasy leagues like some of the other sites as well? I don't know how much the software to do that costs, but there are tons out there. Would be cool to have multiple CP pools (for money of course!) for the regualr season, than maybe a points based pool in the playoffs for the winners of each league.

Well, rambling again, guess I'll go pay for my subscription service now before I begin thinking that my low monthly fee to CP will solve all me real life problems!

;)

Merril Hoge
04-25-2005, 07:15 PM
Oh! But I thought we were all full of crap (well, Kiper is)?

unlurking
04-25-2005, 07:16 PM
FWIW, I'm not an ESPN subscriber. I don't know of too many mods who are.... It's gonna be really difficult to enforce this policy when some of our users get creative.
Is this like a teacher stomping his foor saying "this MIGHT be on the test"?!

:D

Edit:

So if we simply begin "hiding" Insider data it's OK? ;)

Hmm, we could just use something like this! Nobody would ever know!

ENDelt260
04-25-2005, 07:17 PM
wow...

chiefs planet has really gotten to the big time...

espn, a national sports network, cares what we do and say?

More than likely they just do a Google search for some content they know was in an Insider article, and send out threatening letters to the admins of any sites that hit.

Sean Salisbury
04-25-2005, 07:17 PM
My bill is in the mail. Please don't steal our shit again, or we'll send Mark Schlereth over to beat you all down.

Phobia
04-25-2005, 07:20 PM
Is this like a teacher stomping his foor saying "this MIGHT be on the test"?!

:D

I'm saying paid content will not be tolerated on ChiefsPlanet. I do not want to make house payments for a lawyer at any point in my future.

I'll delete every paid content thread I can find.

ENDelt260
04-25-2005, 07:23 PM
I do not want to make house payments for a lawyer at any point in my future.

Boozer will be crushed.

Mr. Laz
04-25-2005, 07:25 PM
I'm saying paid content will not be tolerated on ChiefsPlanet. I do not want to make house payments for a lawyer at any point in my future.

I'll delete every paid content thread I can find.
i'm curious to know which Chiefsplanet member relayed Espn's complaint about insider related posts.

DenverChief
04-25-2005, 07:25 PM
I'm saying paid content will not be tolerated on ChiefsPlanet. I do not want to make house payments for a lawyer at any point in my future.

I'll delete every paid content thread I can find.

Can you post the Lawyer letter from ESPN?

Bob Dole
04-25-2005, 07:27 PM
Bob Dole wouldn't know an ESPN Insider article from anything else unless it was designated an ESPN Insider article.

A Warpaint Illustrated piece is a completely different story... Those are pretty easy to spot most of the time.

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 07:30 PM
I don't understand why many are freaking out about this... it happens.

tk13
04-25-2005, 07:30 PM
As of this thread, all of my posts are now pay content. A 2.99 fee will be assessed any time someone quotes something I have posted. The members of TK Illustrated thank you for your understanding.

ENDelt260
04-25-2005, 07:32 PM
TK Illustrated

What is that? Granny porn?

Douche Baggins
04-25-2005, 07:32 PM
As of this thread, all of my posts are now pay content. A 2.99 fee will be assessed any time someone quotes something I have posted. The members of TK Illustrated thank you for your understanding.

2.99 in what? I don't see no dollar sign.

Here's 2.99 in bandwidth...

Coach
04-25-2005, 07:32 PM
My bill is in the mail. Please don't steal our shit again, or we'll send Mark Schlereth over to beat you all down.

Like Clayton beats you down?

Douche Baggins
04-25-2005, 07:32 PM
What is that? Granny porn?

I have the "badgranny centerfold" issue.

jcroft
04-25-2005, 07:32 PM
I don't really understand why people are freaking out, either. We all know it's pay content and you're supposed to get it unless you pay.

Look, I do my fair share of piracy. I'm not saying you shouldn't steal shit. But you sure as hell shouldn't expect ChiefsPlanet, or anyone else, to facilitate it for you. That's part of the deal with piracy -- you're on your own.

Get over it.

Phobia
04-25-2005, 07:36 PM
Can you post the Lawyer letter from ESPN?

I guess I could, but it was in email form and now gone. They were pretty nice about it. To whom it may concern, your site has paid content from ESPN. Illegal. Blah blah. Please remove. Blah blah. If you refuse to comply, you are in violation. Blah. We would be forced to sue. Blah blah.

Are you really that interested? I could forward the next one to you if it comes to that.

Bob Dole
04-25-2005, 07:37 PM
As of this thread, all of my posts are now pay content. A 2.99 fee will be assessed any time someone quotes something I have posted. The members of TK Illustrated thank you for your understanding.

As soon as one of your posts contains anything that remotely resembles "content," we'll talk...

tk13
04-25-2005, 07:42 PM
What is that? Granny porn?
My high quality Chiefs product, brings all the Chiefs news that is fit to print, to you! Here's some tidbits from today:

"In other news today, Trent Green is the front runner for the starting QB job."

I'm definitely your home for premium content.

tk13
04-25-2005, 07:45 PM
As soon as one of your posts contains anything that remotely resembles "content," we'll talk...
Content.

Pay up.

DenverChief
04-25-2005, 07:46 PM
I guess I could, but it was in email form and now gone. They were pretty nice about it. To whom it may concern, your site has paid content from ESPN. Illegal. Blah blah. Please remove. Blah blah. If you refuse to comply, you are in violation. Blah. We would be forced to sue. Blah blah.

Are you really that interested? I could forward the next one to you if it comes to that.

Sure I'm just curious about the language they used

jcroft
04-25-2005, 07:46 PM
Content.

Pay up.

:LOL:

jcroft
04-25-2005, 07:46 PM
Sure I'm just curious about the language they used

I have a handful of cease and desist letters from Volkswagen. :)

Mile High Mania
04-25-2005, 07:47 PM
As soon as one of your posts contains anything that remotely resembles "content," we'll talk...

Ladies and gentlemen, that right there is the best post of the young 2005 year. :clap: Bravo, sir!

Phobia
04-25-2005, 07:47 PM
I have a handful of cease and desist letters from Volkswagen. :)

Really? For running a club site?

What did they want you to stop doing?

DenverChief
04-25-2005, 07:48 PM
Really? For running a club site?

What did they want you to stop doing?

What he said

jcroft
04-25-2005, 07:51 PM
Really? For running a club site?

What did they want you to stop doing?

Yes, I used to run http://newbeetle.org (sort of still do -- really these days I just administer the server).

They were for various things. My first logo incorporated the New Beetle shape, which is a trademark, so they wanted me to remove it or modify it. Then, there were press releases posted in the forums they didn't like because we weren't an official press outlet. Then, we had pictures of concept cars that were copyrighted. Then, we had rumors of upcoming vehicles that had been leaked.

Typical fan/club/rumor site stuff.

I just complied with the letters requests and never had a problem.

DenverChief
04-25-2005, 07:57 PM
Then, there were press releases posted in the forums they didn't like because we weren't an official press outlet.

What a load of crap

jcroft
04-25-2005, 08:04 PM
What a load of crap

VW has a club license you can get with for free (we did it later, but hadn't done it yet at the time). With it, you can post press releases, press photos, etc. You just have to register with them and have them approve you. Then they send you all the press info and you can use it (within the rules). We hadn't done it yet at the time they complained about that.

Skip Towne
04-25-2005, 08:11 PM
Oh! But I thought we were all full of crap (well, Kiper is)?
Well, you are too.

Skip Towne
04-25-2005, 08:13 PM
As soon as one of your posts contains anything that remotely resembles "content," we'll talk...
ROFL Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Iowanian
04-25-2005, 08:57 PM
I'm totally copyrighting "ask Iowanian, the Keyboard of Doom" and making it a pay thread.

htismaqe
04-26-2005, 05:48 AM
My bill is in the mail. Please don't steal our shit again, or we'll send Mark Schlereth over to beat you all down.

Go ahead and send Stink over here, he won't be able to get in.

We don't have a wheelchair ramp.

ChiefsFanatic
04-26-2005, 09:16 AM
I have not read the whole thread, and I could care less about Insider articles, but ESPN does not want their crap to show up other places, then they need to make their articles flash, and inform their subscribers not to do that.

jcroft
04-26-2005, 09:20 AM
I have not read the whole thread, and I could care less about Insider articles, but ESPN does not want their crap to show up other places, then they need to make their articles flash, and inform their subscribers not to do that.

Put their articles in Flash? Yeah, right. Mike Davidson (lead designer at ESPN.com and a buddy of mine) is a Flash nut, but he's not stupid.

And I'm QUITE sure they do inform their subscribers "not to do that." And even if they don't -- doesn't everyone know by know that it's against the law?

KChiefs1
04-26-2005, 09:20 AM
It's all Merrill Hoge's fault!

Brock
04-26-2005, 09:27 AM
i'm curious to know which Chiefsplanet member relayed Espn's complaint about insider related posts.

Mike Davidson (lead designer at ESPN.com and a buddy of mine)

Skip Towne
04-26-2005, 09:35 AM
I'm totally copyrighting "ask Iowanian, the Keyboard of Doom" and making it a pay thread.
I'll bet you can swing a dead cat through it and never hit a thing.

jcroft
04-26-2005, 09:36 AM
Haha. Nice thought Brock, but no. :)

Mike's just a designer (as am I, but not for ESPN). It's definitely out of his jurisdiction to deal with copyright infringement. He probably couldn't care less.

And frankly, neither do I. I don't care if ESPN Insider content is posted here. But, I understand that the owners of this site have to keep it legal if they want to keep it going. If ESPN is complaining, then by all means they should take it down. And ChiefsPlanet members should understand this and get the hell over it.