PDA

View Full Version : Barber out?


Sparhawk
04-26-2005, 07:04 AM
For the second time this season, I've seen a rumor about Shawn Barbers' knee being much worse than reported. This rumor stems (this time) from Profootball Talk, so I'm not sure whether or not to believe it. They said that he would most likely be a June 1 cut. Thoughts or opinions?

the Talking Can
04-26-2005, 07:07 AM
I've seen a version of this rumor on warpaint....but I figured, "well, it's warpaint..."

patteeu
04-26-2005, 07:16 AM
Adam Teicher is a guest every week on 610's afternoon show (formerly Whitlock's show) and he has been saying for a while now that he wouldn't be at all surprised if the Chiefs reach an injury settlement with Barber. His impression is that the injury was pretty serious. But keep in mind that this is just conjecture, he's not reporting it as a fact.

Kyle401
04-26-2005, 07:43 AM
That would suck. I think that this season with the additions we have made, Barber would finally get a chance to prove he is not a FA bust. If we end up cutting him, he will probably go back to Philly and revive his career (a la J. Trotter).

ROYC75
04-26-2005, 08:08 AM
If Barber does not play this year, I would bet his career is over and ready for a "REAL JOB " ( CP slander ).

His knee was a complete rebuild, it takes 2 years for that to become full strength again.

Hoover
04-26-2005, 08:14 AM
On the other side of things, cutting Barber and Morton could mean additional FA help after June 1.

While I don't care about Morton, If Barber goes, that OK because we still have Fujita and Fox. I say let the youth Movement begin.

AirForceChief
04-26-2005, 08:21 AM
If Barber does not play this year, I would bet his career is over and ready for a "REAL JOB " ( CP slander ).

His knee was a complete rebuild, it takes 2 years for that to become full strength again.

Completely rebuilt knee? I assume you mean anterior and exterior cruciate ligaments as well as the miniscus (I know I've probably mis-spelled some of these body parts)? What was the extent of the injury. Beyond "significant" and "serious" I don't recall an exact diagnosis...any help?

ROYC75
04-26-2005, 08:32 AM
Completely rebuilt knee? I assume you mean anterior and exterior cruciate ligaments as well as the miniscus (I know I've probably mis-spelled some of these body parts)? What was the extent of the injury. Beyond "significant" and "serious" I don't recall an exact diagnosis...any help?

I recall DV last year saying that it was major. They had to rebuild it back, not known if it could be career ending, we'll know more in a few weeks from the doctors. ( or something similar to this )

Skip Towne
04-26-2005, 08:49 AM
I heard they had to put in a new splatum. That's serious.

Kyle401
04-26-2005, 09:12 AM
Completely rebuilt knee? I assume you mean anterior and exterior cruciate ligaments as well as the miniscus (I know I've probably mis-spelled some of these body parts)? What was the extent of the injury. Beyond "significant" and "serious" I don't recall an exact diagnosis...any help?
There are three major "CL" ligaments in the knee. The Anterior Cruciate Ligament (ACL) prevents hyper-extension (bending forward) of the knee. The Posterior Cruciate Ligament (PCL) prevents the Femur from sliding forward off the Tibia when planting with the knee bent. And the Medial Collateral Ligament (MCL) provides lateral stability by connecting the Femur and the Tibia.

Veiw of the knee structure looking from the back of the knee.


http://www.basp.org.uk/_borders/Image12.gif

The ACL is the most commonly torn ligament and, consequently the most well known. Surgery is required to repair almost all ACL ruptures. MCL tears are common for football players, frequently resulting from being tackled at the knees from the side. Depending on severity, MCL tears may be treated non-surgically. PCL tears are the least common of the group and may be treated non-surgically depending on the severity. Almost all complete ruputures of the PCL require surgery, especially if the patient wishes to resume high level athletic activity.

It is common to have multiple ligaments torn and frequently the cartilage pad (meniscus) between the Tibia and Femur is injured in multiple tears. One of the more common combinations is a ruptured ACL, partial or fully ruptured MCL, with a medial meniscus tear.

Disclaimer: this is pretty much what I recall from the various brochures and discussions I had with my surgeon prior to and following my knee surgery. I had a complete ACL rupture, partial MCL, and medial meniscus tear.

DaWolf
04-26-2005, 09:17 AM
I dunno. After all the "Priest Holmes' career is over and the Chiefs are just hiding it" talk a couple of years back even with Carl and Dick saying that Priest was gonna be fine, I just am gonna wait and see.

Carl and Dick seem to indicate Barber may be ready by the opener and is ahead of schedule, so I've got little reason to disbelieve them. It makes little sense for them to talk about a guy being on track to recover by the opener if they're planning on cutting him way before then...

KChiefs1
04-26-2005, 09:19 AM
I wouldn't count on Barber this year.

Mr. Laz
04-26-2005, 10:22 AM
Carl and Dick seem to indicate Barber may be ready by the opener and is ahead of schedule, so I've got little reason to disbelieve them. It makes little sense for them to talk about a guy being on track to recover by the opener if they're planning on cutting him way before then...
i worry that he'll be ready for the season opener but won't be READY for the season opener.

i hope we don't burn 3/4 games in the season before we decide that barber isn't really full speed yet and we have to make changes during the season.

Mr. Laz
04-26-2005, 10:24 AM
I heard they had to put in a new splatum. That's serious.
:spock:

ROYC75
04-26-2005, 10:28 AM
i worry that he'll be ready for the season opener but won't be READY for the season opener.

i hope we don't burn 3/4 games in the season before we decide that barber isn't really full speed yet and we have to make changes during the season.

No kidding ..... :rolleyes:

Mr. Laz
04-26-2005, 10:31 AM
No kidding ..... :rolleyes:
explain please

ROYC75
04-26-2005, 10:36 AM
Keeping Barber on the active roster all year to only be able to play a game or 2 like Wilson last year ?

Leaves developing talent / or players off the roster.

Mr. Laz
04-26-2005, 10:40 AM
Keeping Barber on the active roster all year to only be able to play a game or 2 like Wilson last year ?

Leaves developing talent / or players off the roster.

oooo ... kk

i was reading the rolling eyes smiley as "sarcastic" indicator

htismaqe
04-26-2005, 10:57 AM
Hopefully we won't take any chances.

Let's just do the injury settlement now and get it overwith.

booger
04-26-2005, 11:18 AM
I could actually see 5 vets getting cut June first or after.

Maz-That's a heck of a surgery to come back from, especially for a guy with no speed in the first place. I just don't see him being able to hold up injury wise as a special teamer either.

Barber- This knee injury sound similiar in ways to Green's. He ended up having to have a second operation ( heard this from one of the recent DV interviews) So did Boerigter but I think his was more of a swelling issue and they planned two seperate surgeries from the beginning, they wanted to do the ACL seperate. Plus the fact that Barber had a serious knee injury his last year in Washington. That's the reason he only had a one year deal in philly before he came here.

Morton- I think this one is obvious.

Either Woods or Wesley- My guess is Wesley makes it at FS, even though he seems to have the worse of the two attitude wise since Sammy Knight was signed. I think that was played out a little more than it should have been though. You would expect him to be pissed about it. Woods hiring a speed coach is encouraging. It might be an option if Wesley beats out Woods to keep Jerome for our nickel back. I just don't know how he would look there if he doesn't improve his speed. This could really be a good battle in TC(if it gets that far).
We can't afford both IMO.

Bartee- Until the Warfield suspended or not suspended saga is finalized, I would keep him around. It is Bartee and he does obviously suck, but he would be another guy with starting experience if Warfield does get suspended. If not I could see us releasing him to give him a shot to catch on with another team before camp. I'd like to give Battle another shot. His biggest problem is his immaturity. Maybe Surtain and Knight could rub off on him. I won't hold my breath though and would have stongly considered sending him to NFL Europe this spring. I think by the sounds of it Hodge may have a good shot at making the team. I hope Benny Sapp gets a good look as well and Bartee/Battle are not kept in his place on the roster just because they are bigger and draft picks. I could see DV wanted to bring him back on the practice squad and loosing him on the waiver wire.

KC Kings
04-26-2005, 11:58 AM
Bartee- Until the Warfield suspended or not suspended saga is finalized, I would keep him around. It is Bartee and he does obviously suck, but he would be another guy with starting experience if Warfield does get suspended. If not I could see us releasing him to give him a shot to catch on with another team before camp. I'd like to give Battle another shot. His biggest problem is his immaturity. Maybe Surtain and Knight could rub off on him. I won't hold my breath though and would have stongly considered sending him to NFL Europe this spring. I think by the sounds of it Hodge may have a good shot at making the team. I hope Benny Sapp gets a good look as well and Bartee/Battle are not kept in his place on the roster just because they are bigger and draft picks. I could see DV wanted to bring him back on the practice squad and loosing him on the waiver wire.

I am not sold on geting rid of Bartee. He is horrible, and one of the top ten suckiest CB's in the league. That being said, Battle couldn't beat him out, Sapp couldn't beat him out, and McCleon is only one year older than the "aging CB" that struggled last year.

It doesn't make sense to divorce your wife for being too fat, if all your girlfriends are fat and ugly.

ChiefsCountry
04-26-2005, 12:08 PM
If Barber is healthy;
Him, DJ, and Bell would be as good as any linebacking core in the league. Throw in Fujitia as a backup, that is not bad at all.