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Taco John
04-27-2005, 12:53 AM
I'm not avoiding talking about it. I just wasn't going to get caught in the hype of it all...

But basically, I thought we had a good draft before we even went into it by trading out of the first round. I was disappointed in the depth of this draft class, and was thrilled to exchange it for another ticket to the Matt Leinart Sweepstakes. It's my hope that we do whatever it takes to secure the rights to Leinart, even if that means trading both our first round pick in the 2006 draft AND the first round of the 2007 draft. But that's another discussion.

As far as the criticism of drafting all of those DBs, I take it with a grain of salt. This whole draft is just a bunch of projects. Nobody that we were going to draft this year is going to be able to supplant any starter on our team except in one place: special teams. I like that we brought in guys who would be able to help us out immediately on special teams. It was one of the biggest weaknesses we've had in the past few years, and if we can get one of these guys to develop as a returner, we're going to be that much better off.

As far as the Maurice Clarett pick goes, I couldn't be more happy. I mentioned it back when he was being laughed at for his combine time. (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=23008&highlight=Clarett) That doesn't bother me. TD didn't run fast during 40's either. But he had instincts that were uncanny. Clarrett is the same way. He led his team to a championship during his freshman campaign because he knew how to bounce out of tackles, when to spin to force a miss, and when to turn the boosters ON! If the NFL would have allowed this kid to use his natural God given talent when he wanted to come out, he'd have been drafted in the first five picks and we'd have never had a shot at him. I love how we're being laughed at for using a compensatory pick that we didn't even know we'd get until a month before the draft to take a kid with first round instincts.

I'm all up ons.

beer bacon
04-27-2005, 12:59 AM
Along this same special teams line of thought, do you think the Chiefs drafting a punter at the end of the 3rd was a good move?

Taco John
04-27-2005, 01:07 AM
I never like it when *ANY* team drafts a kicker of any sort... But sometimes you've got to do what you've got to do. Look at the Raiders and Jano. He will be their kicker for 10 years.

If this guy is your punter for the next 5 years, it wont matter what anyone thinks of the move... It'll be a good one.

I will say that I think it's pretty hard for a the Chiefs fans to criticize the Clarrett selection when you take a Punter in that same round...

Simplex3
04-27-2005, 01:12 AM
...and when to turn the boosters ON!
The combine would have been a good time for Clarice to turn the boosters on...

Joe Seahawk
04-27-2005, 01:13 AM
Boomers grades for the AFC West..

AFC West

Denver Broncos: The fact that Denver selected three consecutive cornerbacks, when cornerback wasn’t perceived to be that much of a need, was intriguing in itself. Of course, the addition of Maurice Clarett just made the whole collection odd. Darrent Williams and Dominique Foxworth could prove to be two of the bigger steals of the draft in terms of their man-to-man potential. However, Karl Paymah was a considerable reach and Clarett was as well. Clarett has talent and can be successful at the NFL level, but he could have been selected considerably later. With only two selections on the second day the Broncos didn’t have much of a chance for highlights. With offensive guard Chris Myers and punter Paul Ernster, two players many teams had as undrafted free agent types, the Broncos didn’t help themselves much.
GRADE: C-

Kansas City Chiefs: Another team with only two first-day picks to work with, but filled major needs. OLB Derrick Johnson could prove to be one of the real steals of this draft, especially in Gunther Cunningham’s defense, which will allow him to run around and make plays. Punter Dustin Colquitt has Pro Bowl ability, he just needs to play a little more consistently. Kansas City’s first-day effort was solid and with seven selections on day two, the club did a fine job here, as well. Among the highlights were the Chiefs’ top three Sunday selections. Cro Thorpe has the talent to be a first-round selection, but wasn’t completely over his terrible leg injury of a year ago. That said, he’s a perfect match for this offense. As are Boomer Grigsby, a high-effort, instinctive middle linebacker with speed and Alphonso Hodge, a solid cornerback who provides the club instant depth.
GRADE: B

Oakland Raiders: Just another day at the office for the Oakland Raiders… Speed is the primary asset and the club found plenty of that in lightning fast cornerbacks Fabian Washington and Stanford Routt. Quarterback Andrew Walter is the perfect addition to this club due to his deep-passing ability and size. Kirk Morrison was a bit of a surprise, but plays with high intensity and is productive, two elements Oakland linebackers need more of. While there were legitimate questions as to the value of some of Oakland’s first-day selections, the Raiders received excellent value throughout Sunday’s rounds. DT Anttaj Hawthorne, despite a positive drug test, still deserved to be drafted considerably higher than the sixth round. He could prove to be a huge steal if motivated. Cal sack-master Ryan Riddle lacks size vs. the run, but has inherent pass-rush skills and can develop. Another intriguing selection was Iowa’s Pete McMahon, a player who isn’t flashy, but has great size and plays with technique. Overall, quite a solid draft class with the potential for a couple of the middle picks, Walter and Hawthorne, to develope into standout performers in the future.
GRADE: B+


San Diego Chargers: Remember just about a year ago when San Diego GM A.J. Smith was being characterized as a buffoon who couldn’t handle his position? Give Smith and his scouting department a great deal of credit. After a spectacular 2004 draft, the Chargers look like they’ve done it again. Shawne Merriman will bring instant production as an outside rush threat. Luis Castillo could prove to be the best defensive lineman from this draft and has promised to pay back his signing bonus should he ever fail another drug test. Wide receiver Vincent Jackson is very nearly the athletic marvel Matt Jones is, but has three years experience at the position already. Last year was no one-season wonder, this team is building to be very good for a long time. The Chargers added potential difference-makers with all three selections on the first day, a pretty difficult feat with a team this talented. Sunday saw the club revert back to its roots, adding quality depth along the offensive line with three of its four selections. The fourth, of course, was simply one of the draft’s most dynamic runners, Darren Sproles. Look for Sproles to post some big plays in the few opportunities he’ll get playing behind Tomlinson.
GRADE: A+

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Simplex3
04-27-2005, 01:20 AM
Oh, and the only way drafting a bunch of mediocre corners is going to help you against Moss is if the NFL lets you play with 14 or 15 men on defense.

Taco John
04-27-2005, 01:21 AM
Eh... I don't much care what Boomer or Prisco or King or Pastabelly or the next media jagoff has to say about anyone's drafts. When I see someone grading their draft grades to see how they've held up over time, I'll sit up and take notice...

Taco John
04-27-2005, 01:23 AM
Oh, and the only way drafting a bunch of mediocre corners is going to help you against Moss is if the NFL lets you play with 14 or 15 men on defense.



Huh? What in the world would give you the idea that *anyone* we could draft this year would help us against Moss? Moss is going to be covered by Champ Bailey. It'll be a hell of a match-up.

Den9899
04-27-2005, 01:26 AM
I really hate the whole of idea of grading drafts a mere day or two after the event has occured. I'll say that this year, and next year when we have two first rounders.

Joe Seahawk
04-27-2005, 01:27 AM
I pretty much agree with him on our draft.. Boomer has proven to be pretty accurate in the past..

Seattle Seahawks: The Seahawks seemed to have set themselves up beautifully for this draft, adding receivers, cornerbacks, defensive linemen and linebackers in free agency to allow them to take the best available player. That said, the expectation remained that a difference-making pass rusher would still be the focus. While Seattle got solid value and filled a need with its initial pick, C Chris Spencer, the team surprised many with its selection of middle linebacker Lofa Tatupu in the second round. Most had Tatupu as a middle round selection. Tatupu, however, had been skyrocketing up boards and it is believed by many he’ll end up providing Seattle with a Zach Thomas-like presence in the middle. Quarterback David Greene was a solid selection in terms of his value at the point selected, but there were pass rushers available that would have made more sense for this team. Outside linebacker Leroy Hill is a similar player to undersized pursuit linebackers D.D. Lewis and Tracy White already on the roster. The club continued to fill needs at linebacker and the offensive line on Sunday. Cornelius Wortham in the seventh round might have been their best value selection since the first round. Ray Willis makes a lot of sense with the release of Chris Terry. Tony Jackson, who played tight end for Iowa, projects as a fullback here, another need with Heath Evans moving on. Simply put, Seattle enjoyed a solid draft in terms of adding reliable, high-character football players, but two of their perceived biggest needs, a standout pass-rush threat and return specialist, remain unfilled.
GRADE: C

Simplex3
04-27-2005, 01:28 AM
Huh? What in the world would give you the idea that *anyone* we could draft this year would help us against Moss? Moss is going to be covered by Champ Bailey. It'll be a hell of a match-up.
I think with the new rules Jesus Christ himself couldn't cover the top wideouts in the league. We'll have to see how the refs call it this year, but if they keep going this way there won't be much of a point even fielding db's.

Logical
04-27-2005, 01:36 AM
TJ as I said on the day of the draft, given a couple of ifs panning out the Broncos may have gotten a real steal with Clarett. If number 1 and most important is him getting his head on straight and losing the attitude. 2nd is getting into and staying in shape which seems to be a problem for him.

Not a bad pick and a risk worth taking IMO.

RedDread
04-27-2005, 01:38 AM
jesus couldn't cover his own ass, what makes you think he could cover someone elses?

Taco John
04-27-2005, 02:09 AM
I think with the new rules Jesus Christ himself couldn't cover the top wideouts in the league. We'll have to see how the refs call it this year, but if they keep going this way there won't be much of a point even fielding db's.


Are you trying to tell me Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

Taco John
04-27-2005, 02:18 AM
TJ as I said on the day of the draft, given a couple of ifs panning out the Broncos may have gotten a real steal with Clarett. If number 1 and most important is him getting his head on straight and losing the attitude. 2nd is getting into and staying in shape which seems to be a problem for him.

Not a bad pick and a risk worth taking IMO.



If the way he's handled his interviews up to this point has been any indication, I think the kid has really grown through this ordeal. I think he's at least past where Clinton Portis is with regards to maturity. I've listened to everything I could get my hands on this kid, and I'm convinced that he's not the guy that the media has him painted him as. The only attitude I'm seeing out of this kid based on the quotes I've read leading up to the draft and after it is one of humility and determination. He's been given opportunities by ESPN and others to stick his foot in his mouth and say something proud. His response to these opportunities has been to shrug them off saying that he just wants his performance on the field to do the talking for him.

Either way, I think he's a fantastic value at the end of the third round. Certainly worth the risk.

Logical
04-27-2005, 02:44 AM
Are you trying to tell me Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
I don't know about a curveball, but certainly not a 1 iron.

Rain Man
04-27-2005, 02:51 AM
And Clarett ....

finishes ...

the ...

40 ...

yard ...

dash ...

right ...

about ...

now.

No...

wait.

Another...

second...

or...

so.

There.

Now...

he's...

finished.

Taco John
04-27-2005, 03:02 AM
Just be patient...

Let the offense open up...

Find the cut back lane....

Do your thing, boy!

J Diddy
04-27-2005, 03:23 AM
I don't know about a curveball, but certainly not a 1 iron.

There...
finally....

Jesus Christ and I have something in common.

Wallcrawler
04-27-2005, 03:26 AM
Clarett wasnt the worst pick ive ever seen, he could be a pretty decent pickup.

The main problem with Clarett was that he was out of football, and didnt keep himself in shape. That was a mistake, and I think he realised that about the time he ran those horrible 40 times at the combine. His numbers from the previous season were much better, and reflect his real abilities, once he is in playing form.

With all of the halfbacks on the Denver roster, Maurice Clarett doesnt have to come in and make an immediate impact. I would imagine that the Denver training staff will work Maurice's ass off, and get him back into the shape he was in when he declared last year, and let him study the playbook and watch from the sidelines while he gets back into shape.


I dont think Clarett will be much of a factor this year, but if he puts the effort in that he says he will, he could turn out to be a pretty good pickup for the Broncos. He's in the best system for a runningback for starters, and he was a pretty good player at Ohio State, he's just not done what he needed to do to keep himself in shape.



And really, the Draft is meant to help your team over the long term, not instantly. Thats what free agency is for (not that I think the Broncos made good free agency moves with the importing of one of the worst D-lines in the league, complete with coach...) But with the Broncos getting the Redskins pick next year in the first, and with the Redskins track record of playing horrible football, the Broncos could have a top 10 pick next season to go along with their own 1st rounder, and have a pretty good shot at Matt Leinart. A possible 3 first round picks could be used to move up to take the standout USC quarterback. The two they have, plus their 2007 first.

Thats a helluva big gamble in my book, 3 first round picks for one player, but if they wanted him that bad, they could probably get him.

And since we all know that Jake the fake Plummer has about a snowball's chance in hell of taking that team to a Superbowl, putting all their eggs in one basket and going for broke with Matt Leinart probably isnt such a bad idea.

Pants
04-27-2005, 03:44 AM
Clarret would be a good pick in the 5th round. I believe he'll prove everybody wrong and do real well. The thing is - he would have been there in the 5th. Nobody wanted that kid.

And yes, Taco, I know that nobody knows what team wants who in the draft. Maurice, however, was an exception.

htismaqe
04-27-2005, 06:21 AM
Just be patient...

Let the offense open up...

Find the cut back lane....

Do your thing, boy!

Did you watch Clarett in college?

You do know that he's TERRIBLE at finding the cutback lane, right? The guy doesn't have a 6th gear -- doesn't fit your offense AT ALL. But don't let that stop you.

keg in kc
04-27-2005, 06:27 AM
Like a drowning man flailing for any piece of flotsam he can find...

BigRedChief
04-27-2005, 06:32 AM
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/drew/012205drew.gif

Warrior5
04-27-2005, 08:16 AM
If the key needs for the Donx were RB and CB, then you should be satisfied.

stevieray
04-27-2005, 08:21 AM
[QUOTE=Taco John]

Let the offense open up...

QUOTE]

translation:holding

Cochise
04-27-2005, 08:27 AM
I have no problem with us picking a punter in the 3rd, if he solves the punting problems that have been plaguing us for years. Who was the last good one we had? Brian Barker?

The Broncos' draft seems silly to me because of the corners, I guess. If one of them turns out then it will look like an ok draft, but they seem to be tweeners.

Clarette may well turn out to be a great running back, but he's got so many things that you have to write off to believe that. You have to write off the character concerns, the locker room concerns, the 40 times, the time away from football, the limited time against D1 competition... Like I said, maybe he will be good, but there are a lot of reasons to think he won't. He showed potential in college but was not on a lot of boards or was slotted at the bottom. There's probably a reason for that.

I don't think the Donks draft was horrid, time will tell, but I can't believe they ignored the D-line. You would think with a line stocked with illustrious busts they might hedge their bet a little bit in case they don't change. You bet on trends to continue, not to change.

Cochise
04-27-2005, 08:29 AM
Did you watch Clarett in college?

You do know that he's TERRIBLE at finding the cutback lane, right? The guy doesn't have a 6th gear -- doesn't fit your offense AT ALL. But don't let that stop you.

He reminds me of a slower Ron Dayne. Not the collegiate Dayne, the one of the Giants years.

the Talking Can
04-27-2005, 08:32 AM
He reminds me of a slower Ron Dayne. Not the collegiate Dayne, the one of the Giants years.

He reminds me of June Henley. Fat, Slow, Lazy, and Stupid.

ROFL

I still laugh whenever his pick is mentioned. Thank you Shanabukkake.

Cochise
04-27-2005, 08:34 AM
On a relatied note, I see the Browncos' website is pimping Clarette #20 jerseys right on the front page, I bet sales of those are setting some records ROFL

ChiTown
04-27-2005, 08:38 AM
Just be patient...

Let the offense open up...

Find the cut back lane....

Do your thing, boy!

Did you just call Clarett a boy? PHOBIA, we have a racist on this bb!!!!! :deevee:

King_Chief_Fan
04-27-2005, 08:41 AM
I'm not avoiding talking about it. I just wasn't going to get caught in the hype of it all...

But basically, I thought we had a good draft before we even went into it by trading out of the first round. I was disappointed in the depth of this draft class, and was thrilled to exchange it for another ticket to the Matt Leinart Sweepstakes. It's my hope that we do whatever it takes to secure the rights to Leinart, even if that means trading both our first round pick in the 2006 draft AND the first round of the 2007 draft. But that's another discussion.

As far as the criticism of drafting all of those DBs, I take it with a grain of salt. This whole draft is just a bunch of projects. Nobody that we were going to draft this year is going to be able to supplant any starter on our team except in one place: special teams. I like that we brought in guys who would be able to help us out immediately on special teams. It was one of the biggest weaknesses we've had in the past few years, and if we can get one of these guys to develop as a returner, we're going to be that much better off.

As far as the Maurice Clarett pick goes, I couldn't be more happy. I mentioned it back when he was being laughed at for his combine time. (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=23008&highlight=Clarett) That doesn't bother me. TD didn't run fast during 40's either. But he had instincts that were uncanny. Clarrett is the same way. He led his team to a championship during his freshman campaign because he knew how to bounce out of tackles, when to spin to force a miss, and when to turn the boosters ON! If the NFL would have allowed this kid to use his natural God given talent when he wanted to come out, he'd have been drafted in the first five picks and we'd have never had a shot at him. I love how we're being laughed at for using a compensatory pick that we didn't even know we'd get until a month before the draft to take a kid with first round instincts.

I'm all up ons.

I wouldn't expect any less from the king of spin.
However, by most standards, Mo being picked in the 3rd round is quite a reach. But, mayabe a good use of a compensatory pick. I will note that Shanahan has unusually keen perceptions about RB's. Just look at the history. I am not going to laugh at Mo being picked because Denver picks at RB are usually successful. We will see how well he picks the holes that are made for him by the holding and cheap shot artists of the NFL.

Frosty
04-27-2005, 08:42 AM
I pretty much agree with him on our draft.. Boomer has proven to be pretty accurate in the past..

The Seahawks best pick was their last one. :)

patteeu
04-27-2005, 09:14 AM
Are the Broncos as comfortable with their offensive line as their offseason seems to suggest? :shrug:

jspchief
04-27-2005, 09:23 AM
Did you watch Clarett in college?

You do know that he's TERRIBLE at finding the cutback lane, right? The guy doesn't have a 6th gear -- doesn't fit your offense AT ALL. But don't let that stop you.Yep. He also had an outstanding line that blew holes open for him. That O-line was the reason OSU had that running game. Clarrett was just the beneficiary.

jspchief
04-27-2005, 09:28 AM
I never like it when *ANY* team drafts a kicker of any sort... But sometimes you've got to do what you've got to do. Look at the Raiders and Jano. He will be their kicker for 10 years.

If this guy is your punter for the next 5 years, it wont matter what anyone thinks of the move... It'll be a good one.

I will say that I think it's pretty hard for a the Chiefs fans to criticize the Clarrett selection when you take a Punter in that same round...

I don't know, Jason Elam in the 3rd seems to have worked out.

munkey
04-27-2005, 09:31 AM
I will say that I think it's pretty hard for a the Chiefs fans to criticize the Clarrett selection when you take a Punter in that same round...

How so?

Our pick should have an immediate impact on SP....

Is Clarrett going to cover punts & kicks?

Clarrett is a project and may be worth the time and trouble BUT my only worry with him would be IF and WHEN he produces on the field how much is the guy going to cost?

KCTitus
04-27-2005, 10:00 AM
I guess 2+ years is enough time for most people to forget exaclty what got OSU to the national championship...it was the defense that consitently showed up and made big plays. Clarett missed almost half that season with injuries.

Despite that he did get almost 1300 yards.

Can he replicate his single season in college in the pros after having not played for 2+ years? Im interested to see.

Freekofnature
04-27-2005, 10:06 AM
Did you watch Clarett in college?

You do know that he's TERRIBLE at finding the cutback lane, right? The guy doesn't have a 6th gear -- doesn't fit your offense AT ALL. But don't let that stop you.
Not really. He doesnt seem to have trouble.

But with Bobby Turner, that can be solved if proven true.

Great innate running skills and vision. Although he doesnt have great speed, he was able to run away from defenders at times.

And yes, I have seen Clarett in college.

Bwana
04-27-2005, 10:09 AM
You can try to put lipstick on a pig to make it look good, but it's still a pig. :hmmm:

Braincase
04-27-2005, 10:25 AM
Meanwhile, at the Evil Laboratory of Dr. Shanahan, Bronco scientists are trying to figure out how to transfer the athletic ability of an aggressive midget into the frame of a 6'3" cornerback with PFS (Plodding Feet Syndrome).

Count Alex's Losses
04-27-2005, 10:25 AM
I'm just glad no one in Denver's draft is going to have an impact this year. Next year though...look out.

Of course if they do draft Leinart they will have the growing pains associated with grooming a QB so we got that going for us, too. Let's just hope he doesn't become the next Elway. :shake:

Braincase
04-27-2005, 10:27 AM
You can try to put lipstick on a pig to make it look good, but it's still a pig. :hmmm:

DAMMIT BWANA! I had almost purged that prom from the memory banks!

Bwana
04-27-2005, 10:30 AM
DAMMIT BWANA! I had almost purged that prom from the memory banks!

Heh, it was a good fit for this thread. :)

jspchief
04-27-2005, 10:41 AM
Of course if they do draft Leinart they will have the growing pains associated with grooming a QB so we got that going for us, too. Let's just hope he doesn't become the next Elway. :shake:Who knows, their new coach may want to go in a different direction than Leinhart. :)

Rain Man
04-27-2005, 11:01 AM
Just be patient...

Let the offense open up...

Find the cut back lane....

Do your thing, boy!

If there's one thing he showed during the 40 yard dash, it's patience.

TRR
04-27-2005, 11:07 AM
Eh... I don't much care what Boomer or Prisco or King or Pastabelly or the next media jagoff has to say about anyone's drafts. When I see someone grading their draft grades to see how they've held up over time, I'll sit up and take notice...

That's a funny quote, because I remember you posting thread after thread last draft on Boomer/Prisco/King, etc...giving KC a bad grade. And how thrilled you were about the draft because those same idiots gave Denver a good grade.

How quickly the opinion changes....spin it.

ChiTown
04-27-2005, 11:26 AM
If there's one thing he showed during the 40 yard dash, it's patience.

ROFL

:clap:

htismaqe
04-27-2005, 11:43 AM
Not really. He doesnt seem to have trouble.

But with Bobby Turner, that can be solved if proven true.

Great innate running skills and vision. Although he doesnt have great speed, he was able to run away from defenders at times.

And yes, I have seen Clarett in college.

It's obvious that you only saw what you wanted to see.

Dave Lane
04-27-2005, 11:47 AM
I'm not avoiding talking about it. I just wasn't going to get caught in the hype of it all...

But basically, I thought we had a good draft before we even went into it by trading out of the first round. I was disappointed in the depth of this draft class, and was thrilled to exchange it for another ticket to the Matt Leinart Sweepstakes. It's my hope that we do whatever it takes to secure the rights to Leinart, even if that means trading both our first round pick in the 2006 draft AND the first round of the 2007 draft. But that's another discussion.

As far as the criticism of drafting all of those DBs, I take it with a grain of salt. This whole draft is just a bunch of projects. Nobody that we were going to draft this year is going to be able to supplant any starter on our team except in one place: special teams. I like that we brought in guys who would be able to help us out immediately on special teams. It was one of the biggest weaknesses we've had in the past few years, and if we can get one of these guys to develop as a returner, we're going to be that much better off.

As far as the Maurice Clarett pick goes, I couldn't be more happy. I mentioned it back when he was being laughed at for his combine time. (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=23008&highlight=Clarett) That doesn't bother me. TD didn't run fast during 40's either. But he had instincts that were uncanny. Clarrett is the same way. He led his team to a championship during his freshman campaign because he knew how to bounce out of tackles, when to spin to force a miss, and when to turn the boosters ON! If the NFL would have allowed this kid to use his natural God given talent when he wanted to come out, he'd have been drafted in the first five picks and we'd have never had a shot at him. I love how we're being laughed at for using a compensatory pick that we didn't even know we'd get until a month before the draft to take a kid with first round instincts.

I'm all up ons.
Your draft was impressive this year. So much so that you may be able to pick any player you want next year. Heck I'd say the Donkeys are on the clock right now... ROFL

Dave

Freekofnature
04-27-2005, 11:53 AM
It's obvious that you only saw what you wanted to see.
You too.

Rain Man
04-27-2005, 11:54 AM
I wanted to see the Broncos' new cornerback, but the podium was in the way.

alanm
04-27-2005, 11:57 AM
I think the best case senario for Clarett is to make the practice squad and then play in NFLE next spring.

Taco John
04-27-2005, 12:01 PM
Your draft was impressive this year. So much so that you may be able to pick any player you want next year. Heck I'd say the Donkeys are on the clock right now... ROFL

Dave



So would I. The Redskins could very well finish last this upcoming season...

Rain Man
04-27-2005, 12:05 PM
I think the best case senario for Clarett is to make the practice squad and then play in NFLE next spring.


I'll bet he gets assigned to SlowVakia.

King_Chief_Fan
04-27-2005, 12:11 PM
So would I. The Redskins could very well finish last this upcoming season...

in that case you may have the top two picks:)

redbrian
04-27-2005, 12:23 PM
I don't know about a curveball, but certainly not a 1 iron.

Yep only God and Jack can do that (or in a moder version of the old joke should Jack be replaced with Tiger?)

redbrian
04-27-2005, 12:33 PM
So who is Tacofan trying to convince that the donko’s had a great draft the Planet or himself?

I think the majority of the Planet knows that the donko’s draft sucked so he must be trying to convince himself that all is well in donko land and the Rat is still king of the rodents.

htismaqe
04-27-2005, 01:14 PM
You too.

I watched every game of his career two years ago without any inkling that he would go to the Broncos. There are no pre-conceived notions there.

Of course, you're looking at it after the fact.

I watched him play, I can see what his strengths are and his weaknesses.

He doesn't fit your offense, but if you want to continue believing that, by all means, be my guest. I don't mind if you're wrong.

Stinger
04-27-2005, 02:35 PM
I wanted to see the Broncos' new cornerback, but the podium was in the way.

ROFL ROFL

Ok ... Dr. Pepper over the moniter after that comment

CoMoChief
04-27-2005, 02:50 PM
I never like it when *ANY* team drafts a kicker of any sort... But sometimes you've got to do what you've got to do. Look at the Raiders and Jano. He will be their kicker for 10 years.

If this guy is your punter for the next 5 years, it wont matter what anyone thinks of the move... It'll be a good one.

I will say that I think it's pretty hard for a the Chiefs fans to criticize the Clarrett selection when you take a Punter in that same round...


At least the Chiefs addressed a need on ST who will start more than likely. Our punting was among the worst in the league last season. Tell me this, how is drafting Maurice Clarrett in the 3rd round any kind of steal??? This guy is nothing but trouble. He won't work for a damn penny for the Donks (not that I give a sh*t). If he was really dedicated about his game and how he could affect his own draft status he would have shown up at the combine in great shape and wouldn't have QUIT drills during the combine either.

We drafted the best damn punter in the NCAA. Clarrett won't even see any playing time. He will more than likely make the practice squad. You guys still have Bell, Hearst, and if things get really bad, then Anderson. May I also remind you that we sort of made up for that 3rd round pick with a 5th round steal in Boomer Grigsby, who I might say had the best numbers at the combine for a ILB/MLB, whatever you wanna call it. All this being said, I think ALL Chiefs fans have every right to criticize the Clarrett pick. It's not like Mike Shanashit knew that Maurice would become an impact player. He knew that he would probably be lucky to make the practice roster.

Skip Towne
04-27-2005, 03:16 PM
I think Shanarat is under the impression he can make a RB out of nearly anybody. And he does have a good track record so he may be right. But Clarett has so many question marks it still seems to be quite a gamble. And just because it was a comp pick doesn't make it OK to waste it. It's still a 3rd round pick no matter how you got it.

jspchief
04-27-2005, 03:23 PM
I think Shanarat is under the impression he can make a RB out of nearly anybody. And he does have a good track record so he may be right. But Clarett has so many question marks it still seems to be quite a gamble. And just because it was a comp pick doesn't make it OK to waste it. It's still a 3rd round pick no matter how you got it.If Shamarat can make a stud RB out of anyone, why the hell does Denver have to draft another RB every year? Getting 1k yards out of a back is admirable, but it doesn't make them a good back. There's a reason they are still searching for their next TD.

Best case scenario is that Clarrett turns out to be the back they wanted, and that still means that the've thrown away draft picks on all the RBs leading up to this.

vailpass
04-27-2005, 03:32 PM
At least the Chiefs addressed a need on ST who will start more than likely. Our punting was among the worst in the league last season. Tell me this, how is drafting Maurice Clarrett in the 3rd round any kind of steal??? This guy is nothing but trouble. He won't work for a damn penny for the Donks (not that I give a sh*t). If he was really dedicated about his game and how he could affect his own draft status he would have shown up at the combine in great shape and wouldn't have QUIT drills during the combine either.

We drafted the best damn punter in the NCAA. Clarrett won't even see any playing time. He will more than likely make the practice squad. You guys still have Bell, Hearst, and if things get really bad, then Anderson. May I also remind you that we sort of made up for that 3rd round pick with a 5th round steal in Boomer Grigsby, who I might say had the best numbers at the combine for a ILB/MLB, whatever you wanna call it. All this being said, I think ALL Chiefs fans have every right to criticize the Clarrett pick. It's not like Mike Shanashit knew that Maurice would become an impact player. He knew that he would probably be lucky to make the practice roster.


Wow Pimp let your emotions show man! ROFL
By way of balance:
Much like KC's punter selection the Broncos drafted for need. The first DB Denver selected, Darrent Williams of OSU, was chosen not for his coverage ability but because he is an ace punt and kick returner, a real position of need. The other DB's are a no-risk proposition to add depth if they stick.

KC drafted a punter in the third, Denver drafted a punter with their last pick. Let's watch this year and see which performs better.

In a draft class universally rated as very weak Shanny & Turner took a calculated risk on Clarett. There is no downside: if he can't hack it he's gone. But if he ends up the next Bronco stud in the stable......

As a whole this draft has been universally rated as the weakest in 10 years, with next year looked at as being very strong. Denver is looking tonext year, something a team can do when they know the head coach is in place long-term.

Neither you nor I can begin to fairly rate a draft until 2-3 years afterwards; what we say now is conjecture and, in some cases, a lot of hyperbole. But that isn't entirely fun so I'll match your Clarett failure prediction with this one of my own: your 5th round "steal" Boomer Grigsby will never go beyond special teams if he makes the team at all. While a cute story Boomer played against extremely weak teams in college and has no concept of the speed/power/strength of NFL athletes. If Boomer should actually take the field for anything other than special teams he will be giving his rah-rah flag waving speech from a stretcher as they cart his D2 ass off the field.

BRING ON THE SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vailpass
04-27-2005, 03:33 PM
If Shamarat can make a stud RB out of anyone, why the hell does Denver have to draft another RB every year? Getting 1k yards out of a back is admirable, but it doesn't make them a good back. There's a reason they are still searching for their next TD.

Best case scenario is that Clarrett turns out to be the back they wanted, and that still means that the've thrown away draft picks on all the RBs leading up to this.

Question Chief: what would you have done to see KC get a 1200-1500 yard back before Priest came along?

munkey
04-27-2005, 03:36 PM
your 5th round "steal" Boomer Grigsby will never go beyond special teams if he makes the team at all. While a cute story Boomer played against extremely weak teams in college and has no concept of the speed/power/strength of NFL athletes. If Boomer should actually take the field for anything other than special teams he will be giving his rah-rah flag waving speech from a stretcher as they cart his D2 ass off the field.

BRING ON THE SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same thing can be said for your 3rd round pick three years from now....

vailpass
04-27-2005, 03:39 PM
Same thing can be said for your 3rd round pick three years from now....

Um yeah...I was responding to Pimp who said that very thing. All good, just a little mud slinging on topics we can't possibly predict with any certainty.

munkey
04-27-2005, 03:40 PM
Um yeah...I was responding to Pimp who said that very thing. All good, just a little mud slinging on topics we can't possibly predict with any certainty.


That's what its all about.... :)

jspchief
04-27-2005, 03:45 PM
Question Chief: what would you have done to see KC get a 1200-1500 yard back before Priest came along?No question KC tried for a long time to find a quality RB, with little success. Although we did still have asolid running game via committee.

But that doesn't change my point. Supposedly anyone can run for Denver, then why do you keep drafting RBs? If Clarrett pans out, that means the picks on Bell and Griffin were wasted. If Bell turns out, that means the picks on Griffin and Clarrett were wasted. Unless you like to use 1st day picks on depth at the same position year after year.

htismaqe
04-27-2005, 03:57 PM
While a cute story Boomer played against extremely weak teams in college and has no concept of the speed/power/strength of NFL athletes.

Yeah, that sure hampered Jared Allen...

Rain Man
04-27-2005, 03:57 PM
Shanahan is always one step ahead of the game. While the rest of the league is looking for big people and fast people, Shanahan is realizing that the wave of the future is small people and slow people.

vailpass
04-27-2005, 04:02 PM
Yeah, that sure hampered Jared Allen...

Jared Allen doesn't play for 3/4 of the defenses in the NFL. In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

munkey
04-27-2005, 04:04 PM
Shanahan is always one step ahead of the game. While the rest of the league is looking for big people and fast people, Shanahan is realizing that the wave of the future is small people and slow people.


ROFL

rep

beer bacon
04-27-2005, 04:05 PM
Jared Allen doesn't play for 3/4 of the defenses in the NFL. In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

I am sure the Broncos would have hated having his nine sacks in ten games last year right?

vailpass
04-27-2005, 04:09 PM
I am sure the Broncos would have hated having his nine sacks in ten games last year right?

No, they would rather have made the playoffs.

beer bacon
04-27-2005, 04:11 PM
No, they would rather have made the playoffs.

Try to make sense. See in the NFL, having better players means your team is better. Therefore having Jared Allen, who can actually get sacks, would make your sackless defense better. The only reason you got to the playoffs was because Indi let you win so Manning could pick apart your rushless defense in the playoffs. It was basically a free win for them.

vailpass
04-27-2005, 04:15 PM
Try to make sense. See in the NFL, having better players means your team is better. Therefore having Jared Allen, who can actually get sacks, would make your sackless defense better. The only reason you got to the playoffs was because Indi let you win so Manning could pick apart your rushless defense in the playoffs. It was basically a free win for them.


So since KC had this "better player", why didn't they make the playoffs? By your definition it is because Denver had better players.
What was KC's D ranked with this "better " player?
What was Denver's D ranked without this stud?
If Denver had this gem of a defender who somehow got overlooked by the pro-bowl and defensive MVP committees would they have gotten "more" to the playoffs than they did without him?

God I can't wait for the season to start; this quibbling over nothing just doesn't satisfy.

jspchief
04-27-2005, 04:31 PM
So since KC had this "better player", why didn't they make the playoffs?
If Denver had this gem of a defender who somehow got overlooked by the pro-bowl and defensive MVP committees would they have gotten "more" to the playoffs?

Spin it how you want. 10 sacks out of a rookie in an entire season is good. 10 sacks in 9 games is even better. Obviously he wasn't too hobbled by the lack of college competition.

How bad our defense sucked has nothing to do with his individual performance. If anything, it just magnifies it. How many rookies have posted double digit sacks in the NFL? It's a fairly short and prestigious list.

There's no question that players from division 1AA and 2 are less likely to be successful pros, but Jared Allen is just one example of guys that have done it.

Beyond all that, it's a 5th round pick. A hell of lot more of them bust than succeed. I'd rather have my 5th bust than my 3rd....

beer bacon
04-27-2005, 04:36 PM
So since KC had this "better player", why didn't they make the playoffs? By your definition it is because Denver had better players.
What was KC's D ranked with this "better " player?
What was Denver's D ranked without this stud?
If Denver had this gem of a defender who somehow got overlooked by the pro-bowl and defensive MVP committees would they have gotten "more" to the playoffs than they did without him?

God I can't wait for the season to start; this quibbling over nothing just doesn't satisfy.

This is some of the stupidest shit I have seen in a while. If you couldn't see that your defense was severely limited by its inability to get to the quarterback then maybe you should just stop posting. You were 10-6, with one win handed to you so the team could whip up on you in the playoffs. Get off this shit about your team being invincible because you managed to back into the playoffs.

By your idiotic reasoning the Chiefs WRs are the best in the league since we had the #1 ranked offense. You are really coming off as ignorant here.

vailpass
04-27-2005, 04:38 PM
Spin it how you want. 10 sacks out of a rookie in an entire season is good. 10 sacks in 9 games is even better. Obviously he wasn't too hobbled by the lack of college competition.

How bad our defense sucked has nothing to do with his individual performance. If anything, it just magnifies it. How many rookies have posted double digit sacks in the NFL? It's a fairly short and prestigious list.

There's no question that players from division 1AA and 2 are less likely to be successful pros, but Jared Allen is just one example of guys that have done it.

Beyond all that, it's a 5th round pick. A hell of lot more of them bust than succeed. I'd rather have my 5th bust than my 3rd....

I agree with what you said here 100%. Jared Allan had a hell of a rookie year and is definetely not the typical 5th rounder. I like the kid's fire; he would have mad a good Hawkeye.

vailpass
04-27-2005, 04:40 PM
This is some of the stupidest shit I have seen in a while. If you couldn't see that your defense was severely limited by its inability to get to the quarterback then maybe you should just stop posting. You were 10-6, with one win handed to you so the team could whip up on you in the playoffs. Get off this shit about your team being invincible because you managed to back into the playoffs.

By your idiotic reasoning the Chiefs WRs are the best in the league since we had the #1 ranked offense. You are really coming off as ignorant here.


Then explain to me why even though KC was better than Denver KC stayed home and Denver made the playoffs, againg?

By the way one of us is treating this as a serious debate; the other is pulling strings.
Can you tell who is who?

beer bacon
04-27-2005, 04:42 PM
Then explain to me why even though KC was better than Denver KC stayed home and Denver made the playoffs, againg?

By the way one of us is treating this as a serious debate; the other is pulling strings.
Can you tell who is who?

You are an internet master.

So should I just stop responding to your posts if you are just being an ass? I am so used to Bronco homerism that I can't tell if you are a homer or just a troll.

vailpass
04-27-2005, 04:53 PM
You are an internet master.

So should I just stop responding to your posts if you are just being an ass? I am so used to Bronco homerism that I can't tell if you are a homer or just a troll.

Because I don't think Denver needs the almighty Jared Allen I'm either a homer ?
There are knowledgeable fans out there who won't agree with every view you have; are they homers?
Sometimes a thing is what it is because it is. Res ipsa loquitur and all that; you know what I mean?

el borracho
04-27-2005, 04:58 PM
Dear Taco,

Glad to hear that you are happy with the Broncos' draft.

We Chiefs fans are also happy with the Broncos' draft.

I'm thinking the Chiefs sweep the Broncos this year. What do you think?

beer bacon
04-27-2005, 04:58 PM
Because I don't think Denver needs the almighty Jared Allen I'm either a homer ?
There are knowledgeable fans out there who won't agree with every view you have; are they homers?
Sometimes a thing is what it is because it is. Res ipsa loquitur and all that; you know what I mean?

You use extremely bad logic in your arguments. I don't know if you don't realize it, or if you are just doing it to get a rise out of me. It seems the latter from your previous comments in this thead. Either way, I think I am done playing with you.

vailpass
04-27-2005, 05:03 PM
You use extremely bad logic in your arguments. I don't know if you don't realize it, or if you are just doing it to get a rise out of me. It seems the latter from your previous comments in this thead. Either way, I think I am done playing with you.

What type of logic do you prefer? Inductive reasoning? Classic syllogisms? Socratic method?
Whatever your keenly honed intellect demands, I stand ready to abide.

KCWolfman
04-27-2005, 06:33 PM
I almost made it through 3 paragraphs before I started suffering vertigo from the spin.

KCWolfman
04-27-2005, 06:34 PM
Then explain to me why even though KC was better than Denver KC stayed home and Denver made the playoffs, againg?

By the way one of us is treating this as a serious debate; the other is pulling strings.
Can you tell who is who?
I am not going to get into the details of this battle, but denver only made it to the playoffs because Peyton wanted an easy team to beat in the first round.

Den9899
04-27-2005, 06:35 PM
I almost made it through 3 paragraphs before I started suffering vertigo from the spin.

Brian: "You stay up all night thinking of that one Peter?"

Peter: "No I got to bed at about 2:00, 2:30."

KCWolfman
04-27-2005, 06:38 PM
Brian: "You stay up all night thinking of that one Peter?"

Peter: "No I got to bed at about 2:00, 2:30."
Are you Brian or Peter?

stevieray
04-27-2005, 06:40 PM
Are you Brian or Peter?

brian's peter.

Freekofnature
04-27-2005, 07:18 PM
It's obvious that you only saw what you wanted to see.
Its hard to doubt that he has great vision and feel for the running game and great burst of speed at start and a knack for the endzone which we need bad.

He may have not been a cutback runner at OSU much, but it can changed.

I know he isnt without flaws but with BObby turner he can fix him up.

Whats your analysis on him?

andoman
04-27-2005, 08:02 PM
I just wasn't going to get caught in the hype of it all...



I've only seen anti-hype. Are things different over on the main?