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Amnorix
04-28-2005, 07:29 AM
I'm not following this too closely, but it seems like every time I hear a news snippet about the Michael Jackson trial, it relates to a set back for the prosecution. Any chance this jerk is going to slip the noose like OJ did?


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/27/jackson.trial/index.html

RedNFeisty
04-28-2005, 07:31 AM
I really did not want to think that Jackson did the things he has been accused of over the years, but it is starting to look like he is guilty. I don't think he will get off the hook this time.

wilas101
04-28-2005, 07:32 AM
I never believed he would be convicted in the first place.

Not that I believe he's innocent.... famous rich people simply don't get hammered for stuff like that.

Hell... they let Beretta off for killing his wife and that case seemed a helluva lot more airtight than this one.

patteeu
04-28-2005, 08:18 AM
I haven't been following it either, but based on what I've heard when I've been visiting my folks (they always have Fox News on TV), it sounds like he has a pretty good chance of beating the rap to me.

Phobia
04-28-2005, 08:19 AM
I only know about it what I read here. Thankfully, that's not too much.

He beats the rap and this place will explode, though.

Crush
04-28-2005, 08:40 AM
http://www.meloncorp.com/arch/0056/jefferson.jpg

trndobrd
04-28-2005, 09:00 AM
There is always a presumption that the defendant is guilty. However, this case seems particularly weak, and the list of witness spectacularly bizarre. Unless there is something more tangible than the menagerie of freaks he's produced so far, I don't think the prosecutor is going to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt other than his own overreaching.

Brock
04-28-2005, 09:01 AM
The prosecution is incompetent. Fuggedaboudit.

Goapics1
06-03-2005, 09:25 AM
Defense: Accuser's family targeted Jackson
Jury expected to get child molestation case Friday

Friday, June 3, 2005 Posted: 3:52 AM EDT (0752 GMT)

SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- A prosecutor Thursday told jurors during closing arguments that pop star Michael Jackson is a "predator" with a drinking problem who sought out vulnerable boys from fatherless homes -- including his teenage accuser -- and took them "into the world of the forbidden" for his own sexual gratification.

But Jackson's lead defense attorney said that while the singer may be "naive" and "offbeat," he is no child molester, and the accuser and his family are "con artists" whose testimony is not credible enough to send the entertainer to prison.

"This is the life, the future of Mr. Jackson," said defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. "There is no way in the world you can find the [family] believable beyond a reasonable doubt."

Closing arguments began Thursday as the child molestation trial of the singer neared its conclusion. Arguments were expected to run into part of Friday, and the case will then be handed to the jury.

The crowds outside the Santa Maria, California, courthouse were larger and more vocal Thursday than they've been for much of the trial. The courtroom was filled to capacity, as was a nearby room set up for media.

Jackson, 46, was indicted last year on 10 felony counts, including four counts of committing a lewd act on a child; one count of conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion; one count of attempting to commit a lewd act on a child; and four counts of administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony.

Jackson pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Prosecutors alleged that after a controversial documentary was broadcast Jackson and five associates plotted to control and intimidate the accuser's family to get them to go along with damage-control efforts, including holding them against their will at the entertainer's Neverland Ranch.

Jackson's lawyers have tried to paint his accuser's family as grifters with a habit of targeting the rich and famous for money.

Defense: Accuser's family wants to cash in
Mesereau said the family wants a guilty verdict so they can establish liability against Jackson -- and cash in on the allegations with a civil suit.

"There's only one thing they need -- a conviction by you," he said. "They're just ready to pounce with a conviction."

Mesereau said prosecutors presented no physical evidence and no independent witnesses to corroborate testimony by the accuser that he was molested by Jackson, or testimony by his younger brother that he witnessed the pop star molesting the boy.

Because prosecutors were "absolutely desperate," they decided to bring in evidence about previous molestation allegations against Jackson, more than a decade old, Mesereau said. But he told jurors that unless they find the accuser in the current case and his brother are believable, they must acquit Jackson.

He also said the prosecution's charge that Jackson and five unindicted co-conspirators plotted to control and intimidate the family, including holding them against their will, was "absurd" and not supported by the prosecution's evidence.

"They don't have anything to suggest he wanted to enter into a felony conspiracy," Mesereau said.

Prosecutor: Jackson targeted vulnerable boys
Prosecutors began closing arguments earlier Thursday with a nearly three-hour presentation from Santa Barbara County Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen. Claiming that Jackson sought out vulnerable boys for abuse, Zonen said, "They learned about human sexuality from someone who was only too willing to be their teacher.

"Michael Jackson should be held responsible for what he did," Zonen said.

The prosecutor said the testimony of the teenager at the center of the trial "simply has the ring of truth to it."

Zonen said Jackson seduced and molested his accuser two years ago, when the boy, who was recovering from cancer, was just 13.

The prosecutor dismissed as "unmitigated rubbish" the idea that the boy would willingly endure the humiliation of a very public trial to make false accusations against a man "he once loved." And Zonen said testimony by a 24-year-old man that he was molested by Jackson as a boy backs up the claims of the current accuser because he "has nothing to gain" by lying.

"This case is about the exploitation and abuse of a 13-year-old cancer survivor at the hands of an international celebrity," Zonen said. "Michael Jackson molested [him] and numerous other boys."

Zonen said the entertainer groomed his victims with "methods to seduce boys into his confidence, his bedroom and into his bed." Among the tactics were giving the boys access to pornography, plying them with alcohol, giving them gifts and allowing them free to visit Neverland with no parental authority or discipline.

"They did whatever they wanted," Zonen said. "At night, they entered into the world of the forbidden."

Displaying a collage of what he termed "pornography" seized from Neverland Ranch, the prosecutor reminded the eight women and four men on the jury of testimony from the boy and his younger brother that they were shown sexually explicit material in Jackson's presence during their first overnight stay at Neverland.

"[The boy] was sick with cancer but being entertained with sexually explicit material," Zonen said.

Mesereau countered that all of the material found at Neverland was legal for Jackson to possess, and he accused the prosecution of introducing the material to "dirty him up" to influence the jury.

"He's a human being," Mesereau said. "That's his private life."

Skip Towne
06-03-2005, 09:34 AM
I'm going to keep an open mind on the little homo pedophile.

Goapics1
06-03-2005, 09:37 AM
I'm going to keep an open mind on the little homo pedophile.
ROFL I am as well.


http://www.killsometime.com/mugshots/images/michaeljackson.jpg

Scorp
06-03-2005, 09:50 AM
If convicted he would have to register as a sexual offender. He would be the king of pop........and the king of child molesters!

Ultra Peanut
06-03-2005, 09:56 AM
There is always a presumption that the defendant is guilty. However, this case seems particularly weak, and the list of witness spectacularly bizarre. Unless there is something more tangible than the menagerie of freaks he's produced so far, I don't think the prosecutor is going to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt other than his own overreaching.Pretty much.

htismaqe
06-03-2005, 10:06 AM
I've been listening to morning updates with one of the PI's that worked the 1st case.

He says it's a 50/50 deal at this point. He did say if Jackson's acquitted that this country needs to seriously examine how it chooses juries.

He said the defense's ENTIRE case left you with one of only 2 conclusions:

1) Jackson is a pedophile, but didn't molest THIS kid...he's being targetted for extortion

2) Jackson is Peter Pan. He sleeps with children ina completely non-sexual way and there's nothing wrong with it.

In other words, the defense basically said "Yes, he sleeps with kids, but..."

Cochise
06-03-2005, 10:09 AM
I have no doubt that he's a child molestor. It sounds to me like this kid's mom is a stank cooter boot and allowed her kids to spend time with him so she could try to extort money out of him later.

I'm sure he's guilty, but I think he's too rich and too in California to end up in the slammer. Too bad. I would like to see what happened to that 120lb freak in prison in the general population (which I'm sure he wouldn't get... but )

BigRedChief
06-03-2005, 10:12 AM
Rich dude hires many high priced lawyers and gets off....never happened before has it?

Soupnazi
06-03-2005, 10:15 AM
They found kiddie porn in his bedroom and one child can identify "moles and other unique markings" on his gentialia. I can't imagine how he's going to beat this one.

Ultra Peanut
06-03-2005, 10:16 AM
Eye don't care what they say
"He don't play the hits no more
plus Eye thought he was gay"

But it ain't nothing if it ain't fun
My voice is getting higher
and Eye ain't never had my nose done
That's the other guy

htismaqe
06-03-2005, 10:17 AM
They found kiddie porn in his bedroom and one child can identify "moles and other unique markings" on his gentialia. I can't imagine how he's going to beat this one.

Basically, the way I understand it is that the defense acknowledged these things as true and their defense is that he didn't molest THIS PARTICULAR kid.

Ultra Peanut
06-03-2005, 10:17 AM
He made Thriller, man... Thriller.

Cochise
06-03-2005, 10:19 AM
Basically, the way I understand it is that the defense acknowledged these things as true and their defense is that he didn't molest THIS PARTICULAR kid.

It is a shame he's so rich and can walk around with bodyguards to keep someone from giving him what he deserves... something along the lines of a thorough asskicking followed by ripping off his crank with a rusty fishook

Soupnazi
06-03-2005, 10:20 AM
Basically, the way I understand it is that the defense acknowledged these things as true and their defense is that he didn't molest THIS PARTICULAR kid.

Tap-dancing on a land mine.

beavis
06-03-2005, 10:32 AM
ROFL I am as well.


http://www.killsometime.com/mugshots/images/michaeljackson.jpg
Good God he is weird looking. It gives me the creeps just to look at him.

Ari Chi3fs
06-03-2005, 11:11 AM
eee-heee Chum Mon! Chum Mon!

HemiEd
06-03-2005, 02:01 PM
He made Thriller, man... Thriller.

He makes it almost shameful to love that music the way I do.

bogie
06-03-2005, 02:11 PM
It's going to be very difficult to get 12 people to agree. I say they get him on giving alcohol to a minor and that's all.

Fat Elvis
06-03-2005, 02:12 PM
I've been listening to morning updates with one of the PI's that worked the 1st case.

He says it's a 50/50 deal at this point. He did say if Jackson's acquitted that this country needs to seriously examine how it chooses juries.

He said the defense's ENTIRE case left you with one of only 2 conclusions:

1) Jackson is a pedophile, but didn't molest THIS kid...he's being targetted for extortion

2) Jackson is Peter Pan. He sleeps with children ina completely non-sexual way and there's nothing wrong with it.

In other words, the defense basically said "Yes, he sleeps with kids, but..."


How could the defense deny that he sleeps with kids? Jackson was on national TV saying that he slept with kids all the time and that he didn't think there was anything wrong with it.

tk13
06-03-2005, 04:00 PM
I think they're all crazy personally. I think Jackson's weird but this mother has a history with complete BS lawsuits, I've thought it sounded really fishy all along... I really don't want to see her win, no matter how this turns out I don't think I'm going to like the result. If he's found innocent a guy who might have done something very bad will run free, if he's found guilty a lawsuit-happy woman will have gotten her way in our sue-happy society, that's no good either.

NJ Chief Fan
06-03-2005, 04:14 PM
givem the chair for ther molestation of children and the garbage he claims is music and for being so god damn ugly fry you stupid goon FRY!

Ultra Peanut
06-03-2005, 06:52 PM
givem the chair for ther molestation of childrenHow about proving someone's guilty before killing them?

the garbage he claims is musicOkay, you die. You go to hell and you die.

and for being so god damn uglyCan't argue with that one.

Over-Head
06-03-2005, 07:35 PM
Someone should’a used nut hooks on the pervert long ago.

go bowe
06-03-2005, 09:00 PM
Someone should’a used nut hooks on the pervert long ago.that's prevert...

pre-vert...

got it? :p :p :p

Logical
06-03-2005, 09:08 PM
Money talks and somewhere he has found the money (I thought he was supposed to be broke) to have the finest defense you can buy. I would not be the least bit suprised if he gets a pass.

tommykat
06-03-2005, 09:25 PM
Money talks and somewhere he has found the money (I thought he was supposed to be broke) to have the finest defense you can buy. I would not be the least bit suprised if he gets a pass.

I would have agreed, however with the way the prosecuters? (whatever) came off I think Jacko is a goner......My Mom has watched this all along and I didn't realize that the jury were people that had been molested or sexally abused......many of them. I hope they get him, but ANYONE notice Elizabeth Taylor did not come forth for him this time? Or many that did before? I hope he is freaking DUCK SOUP!!!

Over-Head
06-03-2005, 09:29 PM
Money talks and somewhere he has found the money (I thought he was supposed to be broke) to have the finest defense you can buy. I would not be the least bit suprised if he gets a pass.
There’s speculation he’s gonna have to sell off his Beetle’s catalog. And don’t think Mcartn’y and Starr arren’t chomping at the bit for that!

The Pedestrian
06-04-2005, 05:48 AM
I'm not following this too closely, but it seems like every time I hear a news snippet about the Michael Jackson trial, it relates to a set back for the prosecution. Any chance this jerk is going to slip the noose like OJ did?


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/27/jackson.trial/index.html

The problem for MJ is that his situation is so much different than OJ's. OJ was an All-American to everyone, they'd all known him, and he walked into the courtroom looking innocent every day (I'm paraphrasing from FOX news on this one for those who didn't see the broadcast last night)...OTOH, you have MJ who already acts very strange and has been late to court almost every day. A conviction is still possible for MJ.

gblowfish
06-04-2005, 07:50 AM
California's legal system resides in its own little psycho universe. I predict Jacko beats the rap; quits music, joins the priesthood and becomes a cub scout den mother.

Hey, it could happen.

Goapics1
06-07-2005, 08:21 AM
Bump.

Verdict today?

Dr. Facebook Fever
06-07-2005, 08:24 AM
Any chance this jerk is going to slip the noose like OJ did?



I'll be shocked if he's convicted. The prosecution's case seems to have more holes than the porn industry.

Goapics1
06-07-2005, 08:25 AM
I'll be shocked if he's convicted. The prosecution's case seems to have more holes than the porn industry.
ROFL Yes, I agree.

Taco John
06-07-2005, 08:25 AM
I'm not following this too closely, but it seems like every time I hear a news snippet about the Michael Jackson trial, it relates to a set back for the prosecution. Any chance this jerk is going to slip the noose like OJ did?


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/27/jackson.trial/index.html



From waht I've read, it's a done deal, and there's enough doubt that he'll get off...

Goapics1
06-07-2005, 08:27 AM
he'll get off...

We probably should hold off on using that phrase, if you know what I mean.