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royr17
04-28-2005, 08:06 AM
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/520856

ANALYSIS
Boomer is a bit undersized and will have to operate in a 4-3 defense in the pros, or possibly move to weak-side linebacker to take advantage of his foot speed. Grigsby would be best served operating in a system that will cover him up and let him roam free. He is a much better performer making plays on the move, as he does not always use his hands effectively to prevent blockers from getting into his exposed chest and stonewalling him on the play. He lacks natural hands for the interception and while he will make the effort, his small hands make him fight to secure the ball.

Blessed with exceptional quickness, for some reason this avid weightlifter's strength does not always translate to the football field. He has the speed to string plays wide, but when asked to face up he struggles to shed. He just seems to lack the size with bulk to hold up at the point of attack at times. He has very good lateral agility and reads the full flow of the ball well. He is very instinctive making reads and is alert to blocking schemes.

He has a great closing burst and good range vs. the run. Grigsby also does a good job of avoiding blocks on the move, which allows him to angle and take the shorter route to the ball carrier.

On the run, he is capable of taking proper angles to the ball and using his speed to slip through trash and make tackles in the backfield. He is more of an arm tackler, leading to a lot of missed hits as the bigger runners are able to slip off his shots. Boomer is a powerful tackler, but needs to improve his hand usage in order to gain good leverage. He seems to run around blocks too often and while he has good lateral agility, looks a little stiff in his hips when having to redirect.

Against the inside run, his weight room strength does not translate to the field. He has trouble shedding at times and can get pushed around working inside the box. He is a good wrapup tackler who can generate pop, but sometimes looks soft taking on the lead block and needs to bring his feet and explode into the ball carrier better. He is more of a move-oriented tackler, as he does not make many tackles head-on, but can wrap and drag the opponent down.

His pass coverage skills, especially in one-on-one situations are lacking. He seems to be late reacting to the receiver's moves and lacks the size to reroute tight ends. He needs to get better hand placement in pass protection and must do a better hob of getting to the drop point when playing in the zone.

As a pass rusher, he lacks any type of moves to be consistent here. He fails to avoid blockers on the inside blitz, but shows suddenness when coming off the edge and having a clear lane. His strength in the weight room could be better featured if only he'd face up more on tackles. Right now, I do not see him being an every down player, as he has marginal pass drop agility and is prone to reading fakes and biting on play action in pass coverage. He needs to learn better zone coverage responsibilities, as Boomer is not always in the right spot in his pass drop.

I like his athletic ability and think he will contribute on the next level, but doubt if he will ever come close to matching his collegiate statistics. Some teams might be considering him as a strong safety, as they feel he has reached maximum size growth potential. But with his pass coverage difficulties, it would be tough to make a position change at this time.

ROYC75
04-28-2005, 08:12 AM
I like his attitude and speed, the rest we will see on the field.

Iowanian
04-28-2005, 08:15 AM
I keep seeing "he's a bit undersized"....

He's friggin 250lbs and Bench presses 460. How many LBs in the league are bigger? For being so shitty at shedding blocks, he must do something right, to have what....560 tackles in College.

I realize he's not able to crush filled Barrels with his scrotum like Rich Scanlon, but he's not "undersized".

There are a heck of alot of 230lb lbs playing every sunday.

redbrian
04-28-2005, 08:16 AM
Under the tutelage of Gun all the weaknesses can be corrected, as they all seem to be a matter of technique.

royr17
04-28-2005, 08:17 AM
I keep seeing "he's a bit undersized"....

He's friggin 250lbs and Bench presses 460. How many LBs in the league are bigger?

There are a heck of alot of 230lb lbs playing every sunday.

They are talking about him being only 5'10 to 5'11

Iowanian
04-28-2005, 08:18 AM
"He is more of an arm tackler, leading to a lot of missed hits as the bigger runners are able to slip off his shots. Boomer is a powerful tackler"

So...which is it? Arm tackler who misses alot, or powerful tackler"?


5'11"...250lbs.....Sounds a tad short for LB, but that just means he's stouter than someone like Kawika, who is taller.

How tall is Zach Thomas? Jr Seau?


Strong Safety? A 250lb, strong safety?

trndobrd
04-28-2005, 08:21 AM
Under the tutelage of Gun all the weaknesses can be corrected, as they all seem to be a matter of technique.


In the meantime, there are going to be some sore Mondays for opposing special team players.

Saulbadguy
04-28-2005, 08:21 AM
He is the next Rich Scanlon. Bank on it!

redbrian
04-28-2005, 08:22 AM
"He is more of an arm tackler, leading to a lot of missed hits as the bigger runners are able to slip off his shots. Boomer is a powerful tackler"

So...which is it? Arm tackler who misses alot, or powerful tackler"?

"He is a good wrapup tackler who can generate pop"

A little inconsistent in the analysis is it not.

Also the claim that he is stiff in his hips, the guy is a trampoline champ; I seriously doubt he has a problem with movement.

Edubs
04-28-2005, 08:23 AM
These mofos have no idea what they are talking about. He is a freakin animal and he will be fine.

royr17
04-28-2005, 08:23 AM
Zach Thomas is 5'11" 235 lbs.

Coach
04-28-2005, 08:23 AM
How tall is Zach Thomas? Jr Seau?


Thomas 5'11", 230

Seau 6'3 250

ROYC75
04-28-2005, 08:23 AM
The short can be an advantage if he had good hands too, so small he slides under the QB's radar screen and pick off passes with his closing speed.

But he has bad hands !

Many times the scouts can't judge a players heart, desire to play the game....... Time will tell if he can play. He will make this TC interesting.

ChiefsFanatic
04-28-2005, 08:24 AM
That sure sounds like a sorry excuse for the best D-1AA player. By reading that, I am surprised that he even got drafted.

After hearing this guy talk, and watching his combine video, along with what I have read on the internet, I can't wait for him to put a Chiefs uniform on.

Iowanian
04-28-2005, 08:25 AM
Seau was bigger than I realized....

ROYC75
04-28-2005, 08:25 AM
IMHO, I see the Chiefs using this guy on the outside as a backup and keeping Rich on the inside as a backup, but that's just me.

Youth movement.

redbrian
04-28-2005, 08:25 AM
In the meantime, there are going to be some sore Mondays for opposing special team players.

ROFL The Chiefs better stock up on helments.

Went to high school with a kid like this, not near as big but he played special teams for MU back in the mid 70's. The guy went thru a lot of helments.

ct
04-28-2005, 08:29 AM
Seems a realistic evaluation, although as pointed out isn't consistent. Arm tackler or powerful tackler?

The stiff in the hips is more a reflection to not an instinctive route defender, maybe just hasn't been utilized enough in pass coverage to get a feel for what a receiver is gonna do. Or maybe he's just not good in this area.

This is pretty much what we need to expect from Boomer. He can be an immediate contributor on ST, to use his natural athletic ability and fierce attitude. Anything beyond that on defense, he's got a lot of development to focus on.

However, I hope as everyone else does, that he can surprise everyone, and provide a good push for playing time in TC.

siberian khatru
04-28-2005, 08:38 AM
He's a 5th-round pick. Like virtually every 5th-rounder, he's got flaws. Because of that, many 5th-rounders don't make it; few become genuine stars. I don't know what the big deal is, debating his merits before he's even had a practice.

He's got some athletic ability and some nice intangibles. He could be an immediate contributer on ST, something we need. Anything over that is gravy. If he gets cut, it will be a disappointment, but it won't make him different than a whole bunch of other guys in the 5th. I'm pretty sure the Chiefs drafted him with an eye on ST first, and as a developmental LB second. Gary Stills went in the third, and I think they had higher hopes he'd be a pass-rusher. Instead, they got a very good ST player who can occasionally fill-in on D. He's a valuable guy so long as his salary doesn't get out of whack.

I'm pulling for him, but I'm not predicting success or failure.

KCTitus
04-28-2005, 08:39 AM
The real question is, how often will he get called for 'block in the back' on special teams. If it's less than once per game, he's got a good shot of taking away someone's playing time.

redbrian
04-28-2005, 08:40 AM
Seems a realistic evaluation, although as pointed out isn't consistent. Arm tackler or powerful tackler?

The stiff in the hips is more a reflection to not an instinctive route defender, maybe just hasn't been utilized enough in pass coverage to get a feel for what a receiver is gonna do. Or maybe he's just not good in this area.

This is pretty much what we need to expect from Boomer. He can be an immediate contributor on ST, to use his natural athletic ability and fierce attitude. Anything beyond that on defense, he's got a lot of development to focus on.

However, I hope as everyone else does, that he can surprise everyone, and provide a good push for playing time in TC.

Boomer will be on ST for the next 2 to 3 years, and sent to NFLE for development.

Phobia
04-28-2005, 08:41 AM
The real question is, how often will he get called for 'block in the back' on special teams. If it's less than once per game, he's got a good shot of taking away someone's playing time.

That's painful.

ROYC75
04-28-2005, 08:46 AM
The real question is, how often will he get called for 'block in the back' on special teams. If it's less than once per game, he's got a good shot of taking away someone's playing time.

Ya think ?

But will he make a tackle the 1st time his feet hit the field in a game ? :hmmm:

ExtremeChief
04-28-2005, 08:49 AM
The real question is, how often will he get called for 'block in the back' on special teams. If it's less than once per game, he's got a good shot of taking away someone's playing time.


:Poke:

KCTitus
04-28-2005, 08:52 AM
Ya think ?

But will he make a tackle the 1st time his feet hit the field in a game ? :hmmm:

Are we talking exhibition game or actual game?

ROYC75
04-28-2005, 08:53 AM
FWIW, if both Scanlon and Boomer is on the team and both active, both will see the field on ST's.

Bank on it.

ROYC75
04-28-2005, 08:55 AM
Are we talking exhibition game or actual game?


Actual game .........

The very 1st time Rich was on the field, he made a tackle on ST's. :)

He had 2 / 1 / 2 last year.......

2 tackles
1 assist
2 blocks in the back :shake:

yoswif
04-28-2005, 09:01 AM
The analysis sounds like Boomer would make a good candidate for Gun's ROLB, much like Bell and Anthony Davis.

KCTitus
04-28-2005, 09:02 AM
This analysis also missed one thing that our favorite LB has that Boomer doesnt...a contract. So, for right now, he's safe.

the Talking Can
04-28-2005, 09:06 AM
Scanlon eats corn.

Kyle401
04-28-2005, 09:06 AM
This "analysis" is the same contradictory stuff that appears on NFL.com. There are far too many players who merit consideration in the low rounds of the draft for CBS sports or anyone else to do comprehensive analysis for every player. They generally do an OK job on the top 50 or so prospects. The rest get a cursory glance and then they generate a report like this to cover most all of their bases. The report must include enough positives so that they don't look like idiots if the guy is chosen in the 3rd or earlier and goes on to a successful career. Reports must also contain enough negatives to provide reasons why the player may not be selected at all and never plays an NFL snap.


The bottom line: Pro scouts feel there are doubts obout how effective he will be in the NFL. He would have been selected sooner if there weren't. He has enough positive aspects to his game that it is reasonable to assume that he will make a contribution and possibly be a good player.

munkey
04-28-2005, 09:08 AM
I'm hoping for a kinda Steve Tasker like preformance from this guy....IF he can fill in at LB more power to him. Even though the evaluation is contradicting I beleive he was strictly drafted for SP than LB.

~IMO it takes some big nads to play SP - and like it~

ROYC75
04-28-2005, 09:21 AM
DV even said he was drafted to be a ST's player and a backup LB.

The kid has alot of upside for a small price. I knew nothing of him when drafted. From what I have read, he will do well in time, much like another 2 LB's we have many discussions about.

Again,IMHO, I see Gun making a youth movement in LB's for speed and explosiveness.

It's been mentioned since last year that we mst get quicker on D.

Good bye Maz, good bye Barber after all of the injuries.

Hoover
04-28-2005, 09:31 AM
So is Boomer the next Zach Thomas or the next Maz?

the Talking Can
04-28-2005, 09:32 AM
So is Boomer the next Zach Thomas or the next Maz?

the next Scanlon

redbrian
04-28-2005, 09:33 AM
So is Boomer the next Zach Thomas or the next Maz?
Maz ver. 2.0

Hoover
04-28-2005, 09:35 AM
Maz ver. 2.0
that sucks. I was hoping for Thomas

Ultra Peanut
04-28-2005, 10:10 AM
Many times the scouts can't judge a players heart, desire to play the game....... But you can, from seeing someone for three seconds in a preseason game against third-stringers.

Ultra Peanut
04-28-2005, 10:11 AM
This "analysis" is the same contradictory stuff that appears on NFL.com. There are far too many players who merit consideration in the low rounds of the draft for CBS sports or anyone else to do comprehensive analysis for every player. They generally do an OK job on the top 50 or so prospects. The rest get a cursory glance and then they generate a report like this to cover most all of their bases. The report must include enough positives so that they don't look like idiots if the guy is chosen in the 3rd or earlier and goes on to a successful career. Reports must also contain enough negatives to provide reasons why the player may not be selected at all and never plays an NFL snap.Exactly. It's like recruiting sites.

ROYC75
04-28-2005, 10:13 AM
But you can, from seeing someone for three seconds in a preseason game against third-stringers.


WOW, just WOW. Your post doesn't merit a reponse but I can't help myself, you missed it, by a mile.

Ultra Peanut
04-28-2005, 10:16 AM
WOW, just WOW. Your post doesn't merit a reponse but I can't help myself, you missed it, by a mile.ROFL

jcl-kcfan2
04-28-2005, 10:21 AM
Maz ver. 2.0

RB, how do you get Maz 2.0?

Boomer has the speed that Maz has only dreamt of, and speed was Maz's biggest liability.

htismaqe
04-28-2005, 10:34 AM
WOW, just WOW. Your post doesn't merit a reponse but I can't help myself, you missed it, by a mile.

Actually he hit the nail squarely on the head.

KCTitus
04-28-2005, 10:36 AM
Actually he hit the nail squarely on the head.

No he didnt...it was more like 15 seconds, not 3. *sigh*.

Gravedigger
04-28-2005, 10:58 AM
Yeah that undersized comment is a bit foolish they must be talking about his height.

Ninjaman
04-28-2005, 11:00 AM
What were they saying about Jared Allen and Zack Thomas ?

Who analyzes the analyzers ?

Where's the mock draft of those assholes ?

Spicy McHaggis
04-28-2005, 11:11 AM
So is Boomer the next Zach Thomas or the next Maz?

He's too fast to be Maz but even Thomas didn't have great measurables coming out. That guy is a testament to how far you can go with hard work, instincts and heart. So perhaps a slightly bulkier, stronger Thomas. Hopefully.

Iowanian
04-28-2005, 11:27 AM
If he is Bobby Bouchette on Kick coverage, Chief fans won't even care if he sees the field on Defense to love him.

redbrian
04-28-2005, 11:33 AM
RB, how do you get Maz 2.0?

Boomer has the speed that Maz has only dreamt of, and speed was Maz's biggest liability.

Faster, stronger yet with the same attitude and drive, it's an updated better Maz, hence ver. 2.0.